The Syndicate

I’ll consider what you’ve said, [mention]Fayt[/mention]. Why do you think Mac and I are dogs?

That’s all great, but it’s wrong. I’ll say more when I’ve a computer in front of me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:10 pm Ugh this complicates things

Does any part of that case surprise you?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pm I'll begin with JJJ grievances.

JJJ, obviously you voted LC when you had so much issue with Rej, while Rej called LC a "gamble." That makes no sense to me.

I had issues with both. I wasn't confident in either. As the day ended I looked at the thread and interpreted what I saw. I saw a player who has said some confusing things (Rej) for whom English is not a first language. Qualifying why that content is confusing with the language barrier in mind is something I have to try to do, and in the end it did not inspire confidence in me that "Yes, Rej is bad." Moreover, the Rej and Dragomir wagons had been sitting there stale for a while, and I didn't get the impression anyone was interested in preventing the former save Michelle. Long Con's actions at the very end of the day, which I'll talk about later in this thing, gave me a bad impression and so I voted for him. I'd been wanting a different wagon, and he ended up my choice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmThis is bullshit.

JJJ Mr. 200 posts does not lynch a low poster and a new person at that on Day 1. You're so sweet and kind to Michelle (who, though not very new, called Rej good), but you are ready to ruin Fayt Day 1?

Never mind the "At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster."

"At this rate" and "frankly inclined" are reasons enough to vote for you (which I'll go ahead and do). There's been thirteen pages. There is no reason to fuck with a low poster lynch when there's so much going on in the thread (that you yourself take credit for). "Frankly inclined" are bullshit words.

Instead you went for Long Con, whom I feel you had no rights to vote for.

I was not ready to ruin Fayt Day 1. I stated that I don't like to lynch newcomers on their first day here. I don't abjectly refuse to do it if I cannot come up with a better idea. I ended up coming up with a better idea -- or at least I felt like it was a better idea when the deadline struck.

I don't care about the prepositional or adverb phrases. Do with those whatever you want. I am verbose.

Long Con himself was a low poster. He may not have seemed like one because of name recognition, but he was.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmThis was approximately three hours before the deadline. By this point, as I recall, Dragomir and Rej were neck and neck. You were, again, as I recall, looking for another wagon (you found one in Fayt, I think). Correct whatever is wrong. "Immediate judgement" is your bread and butter. I do not believe you suspected Long Con over this.

Yes, I called Long Con green in some rainbow lists. I don't care. I called Dragomir red in one of those and changed my mind. I hurl out a thousand stances per game, and they change often.

My change of heart on Dragomir was an important component of the transition you're observing. I thought Dragomir looked like a civilian, and that meant that somewhere among his numerous early accusers there may be an opportunist. I went looking for one, and found gripes with both nutella and Long Con. I felt the former adequately answered my gripes and the latter did not. Long Con was a suspect. Regarding "immediate judgment" -- I understand your perspective. I think the difference here is nuanced and probably not easy to see for people who don't live inside my head. I do make immediate judgments often in games; the difference lies with the sense of finality. My judgments, especially in the earliest stages of play, are not static and can be entirely reversed on a dime. I do it all the time, sometimes to my own detriment.

I didn't get the impression that Long Con was genuinely trying to learn something about Dragomir by way of his accusation. Instead I felt it was an accusation full stop, and it was an unfounded shitty accusation at that. So I beefed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmnova's words were not enough to sway you "right now." Why wasn't what nova had to say good enough? You sound like you need an excuse to keep your vote on Long Con meanwhile seeking a reason to keep your vote on him.

This is not convincing.

Yes. Long Con's entry into this game was not something that I am going to exonerate him for -- not even right now. In a moment like this, my ability to do anything with what nova said to me is limited to essentially this:

nova's read is worth consideration solely because I read nova as a civilian and he is a quality player.

That means something, but it doesn't mean everything. I often give players civilian credit that you find disagreeable, Epignosis, and sometimes you're right. I expect you probably take what I say into consideration, but it doesn't decide your actions on its own. This kind of thing happens in every game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmThis is a good post provided you are not Rej's teammate.

A minute later though?

~~~

Bleh indeed.

Your team sucks at coordinating things. Almost like herding...cats.

Perhaps that's the best evidence in my favor. My mafia teams are always great in coordination because I'm a part of them.

I had gripes with Rej. I had gripes with Long Con. I had gripes with other people. No single gripe, regardless of who is featured in a post that I am griping, entirely dictates my vote. You note that I have 200 posts -- consider what that means for my mindset. I have a lot going on in that noggin' of mine, to include but not limited to Rej saying some goofy shit about a gamble.

I said "bleh" because I seriously didn't feel any confidence when I voted Rej. I'd been looking for a better option that wasn't Dragomir, and at least in that moment I stuck the vote on him. I like to feel better about the votes that I place than I felt about that vote. As it turns out Rej was a cat, but I don't know that shit until the day is over.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmLC voted Rej, so JJJ asked about Dragomir's alignment. Twice. What purpose does this serve other than to get LC rethinking his Rej vote?

This, to me, is mafia JJJ dancing.

Mac, I changed my mind. I have massive problems with JJJ. He is not a civilian. And no, I haven't read his essays.

Correction for the sake of clarity: I asked about Dragomir once and Rej once. I asked Long Con these things precisely because I did not know what was going to happen when the deadline hit. Rej was leading the poll, and I wanted to be set up as well as I could be entering Day 2 no matter how Rej would flip. Long Con had been planted on Dragomir all day, and eventually he swapped to Rej -- his own counterwagon. I wanted him to say out loud that he suspected Rej himself and/or he was primarily interested in self-preservation. I also wanted him to talk about Dragomir, the player he moved his vote from. If Rej had flipped civilian, these are data points I would be more interested in today. I like to be prepared, and I try to set the table accordingly.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:30 pm I'm not going to cut quote tags. I can't be bothered. What I want to to talk about is in pink.

"The vote came 18 minutes prior to the deadline however, so I'm inclined to temper any credit. By this point if there's to be a bus then the decision has been made."

First, Fayt gave great reasons for the vote against Rej.

Second, in my experience, the decision to bus a teammate happens early, not late. I think JJJ knows this. When I've been bad, I have had to lecture my teammates that "Guys, you know you need to lynch civilians and not one another to win, right?" I witness mafia members trying to grab credibility time after time early on before anybody can accuse them of exactly this.

Third, I don't see civilian JJJ going after a new person who lynched a mafioso Day 1.

That's horseshit.

That is definitely not my experience. Bussing tends to be a disjointed and frantic thing in many cases -- not all, but many. That's especially true for bussing that works. There have been instances where I have tried to coordinate a bus that I expect to fail earlier on, when I think I can assert the necessary control over matters. Generally though I don't agree with you. You're unique in the mafia-aligned arena I think and your experiences follow.

We've seen 900 Mafia games on The Syndicate in 2019 in which a mafioso has been lynched on Day 1. The civilians then lose the damned game, because they don't pay attention to bussers or they give someone a break for crappy reasons. There's a good chance someone on that Rej wagon was a teammate of Rej. I'd be surprised if not. Fayt is a candidate, and I don't think their "newness" is important with respect to a vote that comes when the day is about to end. All it takes is Rej saying in BTSC "go ahead and off me, it's for the best". It's not horseshit, it's responsible.

Fayt may be a civilian. I'll have to fully review and consider everything they've said today. You need to read my "essays" though, all of them, to see where my mindset is with all of these votes and all of these people.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:32 pm At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster. I've the most active suspicion of Fayt among them. I hate lynching newcomers on Day 1; I'll do what I think is best though. I feel no obligation to keep sprityo or TSP alive either.

Yikes.

I had no confidence in the predominant wagons of the day, the thread wasn't moving especially fast, and I wanted an alternative. I viewed the low post pile as worth considering. If you don't buy it oh well.

That's as far as I care to defend myself on these fronts. Folks can take it or leave it. I'm not inclined to waste my limited hunting time dealing with all that. It made me want to blow my brains out in Persona 5, and I am just not.

Read me however you read me; just make sure you keep your head on straight. It's very easy for any mafia read on JJJ to become a tunnel, because I'm me and lynching me is therapeutic.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:49 pm Let's go through JJJ's Day One video, shall we? I'm going to.

Please do! It needs more hits!

It's a good examination of why I have zero regrets about anything I did on Day 1. I won't get the pretty gold star sticker that the Rej voters get, and that's okay. I did my part to establish the environment where Rej floundered.

Fayt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:42 pm Hmm I stated at the beginning of my earlier post, I don't think scum would start a lynch for me because it would be too risky once I flip. I don't think I'm a very good mislynch either but that's just my opinion on me personally. I also checked your interaction with Rej and it seemed non-fabricated and natural. However, my mind could change. I still have to comb over through everything and I would like to see how the day progresses.

For Mac, I think Rej was trying too hard to set up Mac. Mac is a solid town read from me, I can't see him as a cat.

What did you like about my interaction with Rej? You may be in the minority.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:20 pm I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Still think this screams of TMI. Generic mafioso keeping his distance from an incorrect angry mob before they mislynch Dragomir. He even built in eventual landing points for his finger of blame.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:10 pm Ugh this complicates things

Does any part of that case surprise you?

I haven't read it. I am just not welcoming of it. I was enjoying the game and Epi vs. Jay is tiring af and repetitive.

I am a Master of Zen this game. I sort of took it from your late-stage play in the finale, actually. I may engage in debate, I may be accused like nobody ever before, and I may be inclined to respond -- but this will not become toxic. I refuse.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:22 pm Dom would be my "darkhorse" pick at the moment. While he didn't sound disingenuous, the objective criteria still stands as something he'll have to answer to. He contributed vocally to some of the suspicion of Rej, but his vote never wavered from Dragomir. He wasn't around late in the day; I do think he was here late enough to begin to reconsider his take on Dragomir at least.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:10 pm Ugh this complicates things

i hate agreeing with you bc reasons
but i agree with you

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:34 pm I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

I also agree with this.

I'm going to go ahead and just call you a suspect straight up. We don't need "darkhorse".

I don't like this post.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:05 pm Rej was unwilling to vote Dragomir. That's important in my mind.

Valid. And it contributes mightily to my present civilian read on Long Con. Whatever Dragomir is; Long Con was the vote Rej accepted.

Dom's hunting effort to this point is comprised entirely of this:

Giving Dragomir a bunch of shit.

Giving Rej a little bit of shit.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:07 pm JJJ says " Conclusion: Overall, I doubt Dragomir was Rej's teammate. Rej's own posts speak more loudly to that than Dragomir's do."

I do not agree with that at all.

It was that very first post Rej made about Dragomir, the one that drew Turnip Head's ire, that speaks loudest to me. I am open to alternative perspectives, but my focus starts there.

Epi, I'd be interested in your take on nutella -- whenever you get there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:11 pm Epi, I'd be interested in your take on nutella -- whenever you get there.

I already expressed one:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:22 pm I have a take on nutella: civilian.

Right. You're not finished with that for the remainder the game, I'd imagine?

[mention]Fayt[/mention], I reviewed your response. I don't have any glaring gripes to state that would add something new to the conversation. I don't think what you say is unreasonable at least.

You are of the perspective that there was an effort to save Rej. I want you to explore that further, so I will leave you alone for the time being.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:18 pm I rather think you're uncomfortable being "outside the POE" as it were. That's what is happening. JJJ is "outside the POE."

I'm comfortable with nutella, Dom, nova, and Fayt.

I think that I would be in the POE as a suspect.

You can be comfortable with whoever. The game is different today though, and your reads from yesterday mean shit all. My reads from yesterday mean shit all.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:21 pm Talk to me about Dragomir, JJJ. Would you vote for him?

No. I don't think he looks bad. As I have said: I am open to arguments, but I need to see them. You've started to do that with regard to Rej's unwillingness to vote. That's valid and it's something I will consider. Keep going. I still don't think he looks bad at 11:23 PM EST on 16 Oct 2019.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:22 pm Notice that Jay never asked me to clarify a damn thing. No elucidiation necessary with me.

Why did he afford Fayt and Dragomir those luxuries?

I did an entire review of your posts with respect to Rej. You're ignoring me.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:21 pm JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

Exactly. You're not doing anything, and you're not solving anything. The game is moving forward, and I have not seen anything from you that suggests you have the intention of figuring out who the cats are. You decided Dragomir was one and then farted around.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:27 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:38 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Take a stance on me immediately.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:25 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:21 pm JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

Exactly. You're not doing anything, and you're not solving anything. The game is moving forward, and I have not seen anything from you that suggests you have the intention of figuring out who the cats are. You decided Dragomir was one and then farted around.

You're not solving anything either.

I am trying to solve Dom as we type, you silly man.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:29 pm Don't love nova ignoring my entire day one post history where I very clearly say what my beef with Drago is.

Don't love you ignoring what I say and then accusing me of giving you no space for response.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:32 pm I am glad to hear it. Sorry for calling you a rock ape but don't make demands of me that are pointless.

That's not a pointless demand, Mac. I'm asking you to take a stance on a guy that has received two votes, leads the game in posts by a ton, and has been the subject of posts you have just made.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm JJJ tells me to refer to his post where he discusses my alignment.
He concludes here I am civ.

Bad.

The gun-to-head conclusion I drew does not reflect everything contained in that post -- the rest of the very same conclusion speaks to what doubts I may have. You're not even trying to engage with me right now. You're gaslighting me.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Take your time then and actually answer the things I have said. You've been exposed to two posts now with my concern, and instead of talking about them you've given me a shrug emoji and a gaslight.

You've spent all of your hunting energy on Dragomir and Rej. I would estimate the distribution between those two to be about 90-10. I am not convinced that you were interested in getting to the bottom of Dragomir's alignment, and instead you were intent to bury him under the mass of pressure he took early in the game. That continues now. I have very little clue where you stand on anyone in this game other than Dragomir.

Address this however you may, and I will give you time to do so.

Moving on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:39 pm Jay is a good player. How is it in his strategic best interests as scum to play in such a way that results in Rej being lynched? If Jay didn't want Rej lynched, Rej would be alive. I don't think we lynch a wolf on day 1 if Jay is a wolf pretty much in any game ever tbh.

To my memory it happened once (the scrimmage game with Ultra). The difference there is that I ensured I would be on the golden star sticker wagon and not the derp counterwagon that civilians can't wait to slaughter.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:40 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm Jay-- you give people virtually no time to think or respond. I do not sit at the computer and eagerly await your response. I play Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Take your time then and actually answer the things I have said. You've been exposed to two posts now with my concern, and instead of talking about them you've given me a shrug emoji and a gaslight.

You've spent all of your hunting energy on Dragomir and Rej. I would estimate the distribution between those two to be about 90-10. I am not convinced that you were interested in getting to the bottom of Dragomir's alignment, and instead you were intent to bury him under the mass of pressure he took early in the game. That continues now. I have very little clue where you stand on anyone in this game other than Dragomir.

Address this however you may, and I will give you time to do so.

Moving on.

I don't really know what you want me to respond to-- and that's what I take issue with.

And don't tell me I'm gaslighting. I've literally accused you of nothing.

It's... right there in the post? I just said it? Right there!

Also:

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:22 pm Notice that Jay never asked me to clarify a damn thing. No elucidiation necessary with me.

Why did he afford Fayt and Dragomir those luxuries?

That's an accusation. Gaslighting.

Epignosis is probably a dog. I am juggling around thoughts to the contrary in my brain, and the one that I find recurring is "Epi is cranky about last game and wants to mislynch me this time", which is

I'm not surprised he suspects me given the content in discussion, and I don't find it inauthentic.

That's essentially what I am trying to say re: Dom, nova.

[mention]Dom[/mention], if you don't know what I want from you, then try answering nova instead. Basically the same thing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:47 pm Facts:

JJJ gave Rej a bunch of shit. Did not vote there.
JJJ voted LC, whom he called good that same Day.

What else am I supposed to do with this?

Well this is bullshit. How about think critically? Consider more than one possibility? What the hell is this question?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:47 pm Epignosis is probably a dog. I am juggling around thoughts to the contrary in my brain, and the one that I find recurring is "Epi is cranky about last game and wants to mislynch me this time", which is

I'm not surprised he suspects me given the content in discussion, and I don't find it inauthentic.

That assumes that I think about you from one game to another.

I can assure you that I don't.

I believe you. Hence the emoji.

TonyStarkPrime is a big civilian read of mine. After Persona 5, the difference cannot be greater. Almost literally. [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], I very much look forward to your input when you have the time. No worries, I understand life and stuff.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:53 pm Speedchuck's someone who I've also been mulling over. His Drago stuff is also in the same veins as Dom, he was shadowing people there and the progression of off him was a little too easy. Also I'm not sure how he ended up on Rej. There was no real conviction behind it or a push at all

speedchuck is an interesting case. His vote was on Rej for a decent while I believe, so take that as you will. I talked with him about this a bit:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 amHe's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

I agree that it's fallacious, though that's something I am thinking about. Rej has only played one game with me, and it was that one. So it makes some sense that he'd be inclined to assess me on that basis.

I saw that he'd played a couple other games, but didn't notice specifically that.

Small point in his favor. Someone approaching a game in a different way doesn't mean much unless there's a scum motive for the new approach, but Rej might not read that way

I'd given him some avenue to walk away from that vote. He didn't take it. I will grant though that speedchuck's language here is a bit timid; he's covering the bases regardless of the vote. I'll leave him to say whatever.

My initial impression was positive. I can see alternative worlds.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:57 pm I kinda found it strange how Jay decided to leak that he had an interaction analysis with Rej/TH. Almost seems like Jay was trying to make us think he didn't know TH was gonna get the bullet. @JaggedJimmyJay why did you post the TH/Rej interaction analysis?

Because I had it. I had them all. If I have game-related shit I might as well share it. I play with my hand face up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:00 am Glad to see you spiraling out of control.

None of that means anything to me. TSP is a civilian read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:00 am @Epignosis I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

I don't kill Turnip Head in his first game back here in 900 years either. Believe me or don't, I don't care. My first priority is always the website, and Turnip Head is a major part of it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:57 pm I kinda found it strange how Jay decided to leak that he had an interaction analysis with Rej/TH. Almost seems like Jay was trying to make us think he didn't know TH was gonna get the bullet. @JaggedJimmyJay why did you post the TH/Rej interaction analysis?

Because I had it. I had them all. If I have game-related shit I might as well share it. I play with my hand face up.

You have posted a lot of interaction analysis's and I can't recall you ever posting one that was flipped already.

Tell me one benefit that the game has received from you posting that? Give me one justification beyond "because I had it".

I have hardly ever done them during a locked night phase. I am not sure I ever have.

I literally have no idea what the benefit might be. People are creative, and I put it out there so that if for whatever reason it could be useful to someone, it would be available. The alternative is to throw it in the trash, which is the only choice even more likely to provide no benefit to anyone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:00 am @Epignosis I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

I don't kill Turnip Head in his first game back here in 900 years either. Believe me or don't, I don't care. My first priority is always the website, and Turnip Head is a major part of it.

Do you agree with the notion that TH wasn't playing in such a way to attract a kill from a team comprised of people unfamiliar with him? If they wanted to clear the POE of people who looked good from the Rej lynch I would imagine that I would be a more optimal kill than TH because I have been more present and have a more forceful thread character. Would you agree with that sentiment?

I don't entirely agree. His low post count might make him seem by ordinary terms a less likely target, but like I said before -- he did more with those 8 posts than anyone ever has before. TH wins the Efficiency Socky for 2019. Killing a more vocal player is always plausible; many mafia teams are vigilant (sometimes too vigilant) about avoiding protective powers. So I don't find TH to be a surprising choice, especially in a game with people who don't know him. He was about to be the world's biggest town read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:08 am Well the thing is that I can see a benefit to you. Someone reads it and goes "as if Jay would have written that if he knew TH was gonna get shot". So like the only benefit I can see is to you being town read. Yet you won't admit that's why you did it. If you had have just been "I wrote it there and thought by posting it people would town read me" I'd be inclined to believe you because I think that it's not beneath your town self to do things like that. But now you're afraid to say that...

It's not why I did it. I expected to come in here and catch a pile of flak anyway for the Long Con vote. I did analyses for everyone, and so I posted them. I don't expect anyone to read me as town for any of that, certainly not for a dead guy. It's my token move and nobody gives me civilian credit for it anymore.

Is it Mac himself? Is he getting out in front of it?

I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

w/r/t Long Con, beyond the interactive analysis, I revisit the roles. How much should I care that Rej was the weakest mafia role? Any attempt by him to kill a teammate kills a stronger role.

People do dumb shit.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:16 am I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

I can't name a fact about the player for the whole game without looking it up.

What does that say to you?

I understand. He's done nothing. That's not unusual for him. My suspicion stems from Rej's posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:19 am That end of day reads like Jay coordinating Long Con and Rej to try to create the most distance between each other.

Nope, just your everyday JJJ headless chicken EoD junk. I think I lost my Perfect Zen a bit there at the end. I need practice.

I actually thought Long Con was being at least a little facetious there.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] have a go.