The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:56 pm Still think Tony is bad tbh. One of you freaks that’s always asking for more ISOs to do, go check him out

Any beefs beyond the off-wagon vote?

Of the present multi-vote wagons (Colin, Mac, Radish) I think Radish is the best lynch.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:05 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:38 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.
I’d like you to differentiate between what I was doing and what I’m doing now.
Whaddya mean? What you were doing when?
....what changed, Jay? Why change your read on me? Can you cite something that made the difference? I don't see it, and I don't think you do either.
Jay ignoring this post is evidence he's afraid of me tbh

I just answered it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:48 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:38 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.
I’d like you to differentiate between what I was doing and what I’m doing now.
Whaddya mean? What you were doing when?
....what changed, Jay? Why change your read on me? Can you cite something that made the difference? I don't see it, and I don't think you do either.
I'd previously assessed the Day 1 Jack wagon that had ballooned. I didn't know why your vote was on it; you didn't really indicate that. I care less about that as of 5:48 PM EST on 29-Feb-20 than I do the larger body of posts in your history -- likewise whatever time it was when I said that.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:03 pm Of the present multi-vote wagons (Colin, Mac, Radish) I think Radish is the best lynch.
I am inclined to agree with this. Tonally I do feel like Radishes is playing a similar game to Inception. Also, question for him or for the thread, but when he ISO’d a bunch of people nobody else was talking about, why did he pick those people? Was it prompted?

We voted for him on Day 1.

I could lynch Mac for the crime of being irrelevant.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] tell me about Mac

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:13 pm I could lynch Mac for the crime of being irrelevant.

I'll expand. His involvement in this game has been significant in one arena to my memory -- the Jacktella combat. And his part in that combat was to parrot Jack (both against nutella and in favor of nutella) such that he had no personal accountability for nutella's eventual flip. He left all of it on Jack's lap.

Otherwise, irrelevance.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:16 pmThe rest sounds like a summary of the work others did for you.

Who?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:19 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:14 pm Colin is bad because he never really caught up but is posting like he did.
Dom is bad because he got a bad rolecard. See, I can do this too!

Whatever you may think of it, what Dom said there is a concrete accusation. Your mockery is not.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:20 pmI’d like to see more from him, but I don’t think lack of activity is alignment indicative for him.

Generally agreed. I prefer to assess his content for what it is regardless of quantity. I don't think he has used his limited time to make any sort of mark.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:13 pm I could lynch Mac for the crime of being irrelevant.
I'll expand. His involvement in this game has been significant in one arena to my memory -- the Jacktella combat. And his part in that combat was to parrot Jack (both against nutella and in favor of nutella) such that he had no personal accountability for nutella's eventual flip. He left all of it on Jack's lap.

Otherwise, irrelevance.
Hey that’s the thing I said too.

Jay town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:25 pmI'm not allowed to be uncertain how to read another player? On D1?

Sloonei's style I find to be closed off. I don't have a good handle on what to make of him. So sue me.

Uncertainty itself is not a crime, but I have to believe that it is authentic.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:29 pm Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?

you're gonna die

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:29 pm Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?
you're gonna die
Why?

Because your biggest role in this game so far has been to cuddle tenderly with Jackofhearts2005.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:38 pm Oh but it holds true for you too

Jfc you really are the same person

Mac just voted moments ago. I don't really care about that logic anyway -- it is too restrictive.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:40 pm That's a pretty shitty reason. Good luck if after this many pages we're lynching Mac based on not being productive. Things are different for me now. I can't dedicate hours per day to Mafia. If it takes mislynches to establish to my meta that low production doesn't equal scum so be it.

That's fine. They're different for me too. I didn't say "not being productive" though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:45 pm Your vote isn't on him right now, so let me ask you this: What makes Master Radishes a better Day 2 lynch than speedchuck?

speedchuck is clearly pressed for time. I'm willing to give some benefit of the doubt until he can integrate himself more deeply into the game. Radish has been a consistent presence, made a lot of posts, and despite that I've never felt any inspiration from him. He started the game saying a lot of nothing. More recently he has provided reads, but for essentially all of them I find myself asking questions about their validity or outright doubting their sincerity.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 am Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.
I can’t see anything but town Jack in this game. There was a burst of emotion (not a deliberate appeal to emotion) on Day 1 that I thought projected a level of agitation that would not have been reached if he was bad.

Please show me this. I haven't been bothered by Jack since the nutella thing, but I grant that in his extended absence I forgot about him. That's atypical.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 am Ohhh I remember why Dom has decided to just tunnel me and not actually read the thread. It's because I snap scum read him and was right. Hardy har har.

This sucks.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:43 am You don't get sockys to not gloat.

put your signature in a spoiler you goon

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:11 am Not to make everything about me but I am pretty pinged by the moment everybody moved off me and jumped onto Mac or whatever. Feels fishy, independent of Mac’s flip

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:13 am although I guess “everybody” just means NANOOK and Dom, I don’t remember if there were more.

expand

G-Man oompa-loomping for no reason has zero bearing on his alignment. I find it rather consistent with his Day 1 actually, where he was a Cranky Butt about the pace of the game. When not having fun, make your own fun.

That said I struggle to identify anything about G-Man that is indicative of a civilian.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 am Secondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

I have no idea what this point means. What did Mac say that would preclude him from that role or any other?

Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

You just described a mafioso Mac.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:02 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 am Nah I don't buy that
Me neither. [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

I don't buy Jack's theory, but I do buy Jack buying Jack's theory.

Mac's greatest civilian weakness in my eyes is that he does not effectively shake himself free of his reads -- for better or for worse. I don't mean to be an arse, Mac's a great player. We all have a weakness somewhere. Mac does not easily shed suspicion, and he does not easily shed trust. So no, I don't think his reversal on nutella is a good reason to call him a civilian. That's not his game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:13 pm I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

Tell me about Turnip Head if you didn't already speak about that vote.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Ew.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:05 am I think it's clear I was being a brat.
Mocking Jay's reads and that is just that.
Assigning a scum lean so quickly is rash,
Action that I'm willing to bash.

Unless Jay was just fishing...

Well this is bullshit. Have we met?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:21 pm"Jay always posts a lot, which is normal for him, but early on his posts didn't feel like standard-issue-Jay. There was an edge to them that I don't recall. (Bear in mind that this might be only the third game I've played in just over a year.) He didn't seem to be pushing for content for the sake of pushing for content to be evaluated. He seemed to be pushing for content with a direction in mind already. Sorry, that's lame and vibey, but there it is.

How do you draw this distinction?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:29 pm Haven’t had a firm read one way or the other despite TH’s big thread presence. Want to see some discussion and hopefully i’ll come back to take a closer look later.

I view TH as a solid civilian read. Qualifying that substantively is difficult for TH given that his posts are so brief -- that's his Thing so whatever. It's my intuition. I haven't found his stances hard to believe; they fit well within the persona I associate with his civilian body. He is frank and sometimes contrarian, and when he has provided explanations I haven't struggled to follow.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

How would you describe that difference between the two games? I do believe Mac is not a binary character, but I am open to whatever you have in mind.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pmNot at all fond of
Jay – doing nothing of note, but no one is seeing this apparently, so we’ll circle back here later cuz I don’t have the time now

What exactly would be "of note"?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:20 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.
Ew.
I also thought this was ew. Tranq seems to be not at all interested in this game.

I wouldn't call it disinterest, at least not in this specific instance. I find it ew that Tranq employed this sort of "now I have friends!" mindset when placing his vote.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pmNot at all fond of
Jay – doing nothing of note, but no one is seeing this apparently, so we’ll circle back here later cuz I don’t have the time now
What exactly would be "of note"?
Anything that helps to solve the game and find the scum.

You're not reading my posts.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:47 pm What do you mean when you say he is not binary? Do you mean his meta is not clearly "good" Mac and "bad" Mac?

Essentially. I don't believe there is one concrete version of "good Mac" or one concrete version of "bad Mac". He comes in more forms. I'll consider what you've said anyway. For whatever it's worth, I agree that he has not been an agent of chaos in this game.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:43 pm

No but seriously, you're not doing it.

Who should be lynched?

thonk

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:26 pm What game am I talking about? Because it's all of them.

Just as you are not binary, neither is Jack. The notion that he doesn't goof off as a bad guy is hard to take seriously.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:54 pm I had one particular issue with Mac that makes no sense to me if mac is a civilian.

Could you reiterate which issue this was?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:56 pm I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

I'll speak in case she is out of or low on ghost posts: she voiced suspicion of Mac before she was dead. You can piece together her perspective around that point in her post history.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:59 pm Am I easily manipulated if I say this?
Mac saying he would be sad if he was lynched. Would scum say that? If you're scum and you're lynched, that is warranted. If you're town though, you have reason to feel sad (above other feelings like annoyed or something).

This probably sounds dumb, but I go after tells that sometimes others thinks are weird. It worked with Nanook.1

There are players for whom I might think this read is worth considering. Mac is not one of them.

I oppose a lynch of Turnip Head or Jack.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:01 pm What is Sprit's meta? Is he a good lynch or no? Cause he's under the radar as fuck to me, and his posts makes no sense to me, also don't love the way he votes off wagon.

I just clicked his ISO to see how I feel. Without looking, y'all guess how many posts he has made?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

She is still there as of her last post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm It'd be really cool if I wasn't the centre of discussion. You're not going to lynch mafia without entertaining other lynches I assure you.

Who should I entertain most?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pmI just clicked his ISO to see how I feel. Without looking, y'all guess how many posts he has made?
37

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