The Syndicate

Let's play a game:

Is this low-hanging fruit, or is this a justifiable suspect?

AL_sama
BoKnows
fingersplints
JPIC
KZA
Long Con
Marmot
tedxtr

I extract these specific names because they strike me as applicable to the question -- either facing generic suspicions or otherwise pretty blank slates.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:00 am What is it if he's not?

Then the accusation is b/s. Not much else to say about that. When I look at the post, confirmation bias is the first interpretation I come to.

Oddmerta, what is your read on Alison?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:02 am AL_sama - null
BoKnows - Town
fingersplints - low-hanging
JPIC - null
KZA - low-hanging
Long Con - low-hanging
Marmot - null
tedxtr - null

I don't have a solid scum suspect yet, but Oddmerta is starting to cross my mind

Thanks for your response. I'm still wiggling them around in the old noodle. The old pasta.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am Alright, it's been long enough now. Does anybody still think that JPIC is civilian?

I wouldn't be comfortable calling him a civilian.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:05 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:39 am Jay is definitely try harding, whether you think that's mafia or not...ymmv
What does “ymmv” mean?

your mileage may vary

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:08 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:05 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:59 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:55 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:54 am I suspected them first, of course I'm going to notice them voting for the same person
What was the original reasoning for you suspecting them?
Number of things, bad entrances, not solving etc. Call it confirmation bias if you want, I usually end up being right
I don't think "bad" entrances are AI.
Not solving is a legitimate reason. I wouldn't say that Long Con isn't solving tbh.
Where I come from entrances are alignment indicative, it's called oneposting. Where you catch a wolf from a single post they make, the entry post is a good place to do that

Nice opportunity for a perspective from @MacDougall, resident first-post-grader.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 am Now THERES the syndicate POE

There's a reason the deep ones are called deep. Those who think they can snare them earlier usually lose games.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 am Which read(s) in the spoiler am I wrong about, gang?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:20 am Falcon and that’s it

I'd be very interested to hear more about that.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:21 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:19 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 am Which read(s) in the spoiler am I wrong about, gang?

Sloonei read, you have been pocketed by that man

It's not impossible. Just know that I've been playing with him for 10 years.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:26 am Actually really tempted to clear falcon for this but idk

I don't understand you, TSP.

Alison has hard-vouched for Oddmerta. Folks who have voted for him should speak about that.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am Alison has hard-vouched for Oddmerta. Folks who have voted for him should speak about that.
What has Alison done to receive our vote of confidence to listen to her vote of confidence on odd?

That all depends upon your view of Alison. Do you view her as a suspect or as a town read or as something else?

Spoiler: show

@Long Con, @Esooa, @tedxtr, @BoKnows -- please tell me how you feel about the contents of the spoiler above. Thanks.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:36 am I feel like Alison thinks she's right about Oddmerta.

What's your present read on Alison?

Tony, do you think you have a propensity to be attracted to against-the-grain views of games? I don't mean this as an affront, because sometimes it's perfectly valid. I'm just wondering if you associate that kind of mindset with yourself.

Teamwork is a virtue. Sometimes when someone you think is town is giving confident support to someone else, it's prudent to honor that at least for a time in the absence of truly powerful suspicion. I don't think any point raised against Oddmerta the last couple pages is a convincing one. I don't share Alison's confidence, but for the time being I am willing to respect her read. It's also Sloonei's read and tutuu's read and Mac's read and perhaps Nanook's read I can't remember.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:45 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:43 am Teamwork is a virtue. Sometimes when someone you think is town is giving confident support to someone else, it's prudent to honor that at least for a time in the absence of truly powerful suspicion. I don't think any point raised against Oddmerta the last couple pages is a convincing one. I don't share Alison's confidence, but for the time being I am willing to respect her read. It's also Sloonei's read and tutuu's read and Mac's read and perhaps Nanook's read I can't remember.
Yeah but do I strike you as a team player?

You strike me as someone who could be with but a simple choice. Maybe give it a try. I know it's not an easy thing to just look past your own read, but it can be super rewarding when it works out. There's a certain camaraderie in the game of Mafia that far too seldom is allowed to blossom. When it does blossom though, this game is such a fun and beautiful thing.

If you give it a try and it turns out later you had it right, then that's something you can rub in everyone's faces -- including mine. I know you'd enjoy that too!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia

y

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am I forget who we’re clearing from the n0 thing was it finger or straw

That was Strawhenge, though that has little to do with my view of him. I just think he looks very civilian in general.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:50 am was there n0s back in straw's time?

Not really on The Syndicate. I think RYM Mafia (that's where a few of us know Strawhenge from) had a few games start with a night 0 instead of a day 0.

Some of the earliest RYM games started with a Night 0 that included a night kill. People got killed before Day 1.

I have too many posts. I'm going to let this game move without me for a while and maybe get some actual work finished.

@Sloonei what are your reads?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:49 pm @Sloonei what are your reads?
i'll publish them later. i worked last night and have several errands to run this afternoon, so I haven't sat down and ruminated on All Things Fargo yet. I prefer to leave things a mystery for the meantime because I feel like this game is generally going well, so there's no pressure on me to be Mr. Solving right away.

Cool kool kewl coule quwl

I sit eagerly awaiting SPF’s fingersplints suspicion and KZA’s reads lists.

@Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Thanks JPIC. I’d be interested to hear more about Esooa, tedxtr, and TSP in particular.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:26 pm Alright, I've caught up. That was a lot of info. I'll have a wall-of-text and a rainbow list in a moment.

Would someone mind awfully summing up what the cases are against the current vote leaders, Oddmerta and KZA? The former seemed to come out of the blue.

I'm excited.

I'll be extremely brief about summing up. Others can expand if they like. Some folks suspect Oddmerta for promoting unsubstantiated reads. Some folks suspect KZA for being self-centric in his approach to the game (focused on his accusers).

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:27 pm Also @JaggedJimmyJay, did you go into your vote on AL_sama? If you did, I might've missed it.

It's not a vote that can come packaged with a wealth of rationale given the dearth of content in AL_sama's posts. To put it simply: I've some doubts about the sincerity of their reads on tutuu and Oddmerta. I cannot identify any inspired reason to call them town.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:28 pm Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

This is worth exploring. @TonyStarkPrime please tell me about Marmot.

You DID inspire the siren button, Strawhenge, those years ago.

Strawhenge raises an interesting observation:

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm marmot's vibes faded away. thinking the source of the vibes are from the pfp, love it.

The space between these posts occupies 24 minutes of time, and during those 24 minutes (and just prior to the first Bo post) Marmot made one of his more substantive appearances in the game thread. Bo, what about Marmot's posts in that space changed your view?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:04 pm Strawhenge raises an interesting observation:

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm marmot's vibes faded away. thinking the source of the vibes are from the pfp, love it.
The space between these posts occupies 24 minutes of time, and during those 24 minutes (and just prior to the first Bo post) Marmot made one of his more substantive appearances in the game thread. Bo, what about Marmot's posts in that space changed your view?
Nothing about his posts it was just a vibe.

Please, to the best of your ability, describe the original good vibes and then the changed vibes.

Strawhenge is my top civilian read.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia
y
i dunno
I'm getting voted over this player.

what's the problem with that

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:09 pm Marmot came in and felt light hearted. Then he got semi serious so the feel good vibe faded I guess. His pfp adds to the feel good vibes.

Thanks. I got nothing for that.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm Strawhenge is my top civilian read.
If FDR were here he'd slap you

I'll let Strawhenge answer your gripes before I say anything else.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:45 pm good morning. i am gay.

hi why fingersplints maf

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia
y
i dunno
I'm getting voted over this player.

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Might be my least favorite post in the game so far. I don't claim to know KZA that well, but I associate him more with players who would defend peoples' right to make "I dunno" vibey reads than those who would poop on them. Folks who know KZA better than I do ought to speak to that either way.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

What's his greatest crime?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:21 pm Seems more indictive of KZA's personality tbh.

What do you mean exactly? His comment about tutuu is more indicative?

Click here for BoKnows Fallout 2 Mafia ISO -- he was town

It seems opaque, goofy posts are a hallmark of this fine lad. There's no overt provision here to give him a town read until an eventual reads list, and he ended up the Day 1 mischop. Another one of those full reads lists might do us a real good thing, I tell you what BeauxKneauxs.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:25 pm Reads like KZA is frustrated as scum for being scum read while posting game solvey reads, than a player who's not being game solvey and isn't getting scum read.

That's kind of my interpretation. I wish to be careful with reads like this, but it's where my gut falls.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:28 pm I'm voting for myself in spirit

You promised me a reads list last night. I'm still very much listening to you and would greatly appreciate such a list.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:30 pm I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here.

process of elimination -- essentially a POE pool is a list of people that aren't town reads

KZA mafia-aligned ISO from Philosopher's Mafia -- take with a grain of salt, KZA barely made any posts

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:33 pm Green town, Pink towny but tinfoilable, Blue I have no idea, Red lock mafia

Thank you. Could you talk a little about your view of Alison? She is in a different position for you among your accusers.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:30 pm These people I feel good/ok about right now
Esooa
BoKnows
JPIC

I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here. This group I either have mild bad feelings about or are neutral to the point of wary/need revisiting.
MacDougall

Thanks for the list, splints. I isolated a few names that I'd be interested to hear more about when you have the chance.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:39 pm Wait, that's...the joke?

click the spoiler near the top

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