The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:33 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:28 am dunya meant slank cover -- a player providing preliminary excuses for projected non-involvement
Thanks! This is turning into an English class.

So if I say hey guys I'm busy these days, don't expect effort (like I have been playing last 2 games), is that slank cover? Or like how you said you have a thesis proposal to get ready for? Isn't thank slank cover? Or like, if Eloh has a week of 100 cake orders, is that slank cover? Asking for a friend, cos I need to slank cover my ass.

Yes, all of those can be called slank cover. I try to shimmy mine in before games actually start.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:15 pm That goes fort you, too, JJJ. Not maf. Take the skittles to the bacnk

Are you telling me that you're not a mafioso or that I'm not a mafioso?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:17 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:15 pm That goes fort you, too, JJJ. Not maf. Take the skittles to the bacnk
Are you telling me that you're not a mafioso or that I'm not a mafioso?
It was the first.

How would I known if youre a mafioso right

That's a good question, speedchuck. *pats on head*

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:26 pm Only a fool would say that

Y'all too serious for d0

I will be much worse on MU.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:26 pm Only a fool would say that

Y'all too serious for d0
It will be much worse on MU.

correction

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:22 pm If I were to listen to a single Steely Dan song what song should it be

Deacon Blues is the best starter

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:53 pm I read the rules and picked Donald.
No but really, I googled both the names and picked the keyboardist. Because keyboardists are cool.

yikes bad

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:25 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:53 pm I read the rules and picked Donald.
No but really, I googled both the names and picked the keyboardist. Because keyboardists are cool.
yikes bad
That looks like a Luna comment to me. What made you yike?

First post: overexplaining a Day 0 vote, looks stiff

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:28 pm I am here! May not be the most active for the next couple days, but I'll see what I can do.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:09 pm Oh my. I love this day 0 herd culling. So different from the ancient days of mafia when everyone struggled for something to say on day 0 and the few aggressive people wound up getting lynched on days that followed. Now everyone can be aggressive and the mafia can blend in.

But this a holiday so I’ll be back later tonight to say things that can be overanalyzed. Happy GoT day everyone!

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:57 pm I’m here guys, but I have a part do tomorrow night, so my first couple days might be a bit sparse. I’m going to try though!

Evil lurks in this pile.

My top suspect as of right this moment

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:45 pm Talk to me about Dunya, Jay.

She looks fine so far. She didn't want to be relevant this game, and still ended up letting a little through the cracks when so instigated -- an urge I know well.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:36 pm My top suspect as of right this moment
I'm offended. you just talkin out your ass

Love or leave her, yellow fever
Sure, it's all in the game
And who are you
Just another scurvy brother
You zombie
Be born again my friend
Won't you sign in stranger

nice shtick

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:51 pm is this one o' them pet theories you wanna test out on me bc this would be a counterexample my friend

I don't need a pet theory. You're nutella in a well-paced Day 0, and you're doing nothing.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:53 pm Pace my ass yall are just spitting out random takes there has been no actual discussion

Oh hell no. You're way bad. There's no way you believe that.

I noticed that juliets posted an early reads list in Addams Family (mafia-aligned), and decided to compare it with the one she gave today.

Steely Dan:

Spoiler: show

Addams Family:

Spoiler: show

Similarity: neither of them feature any mafia reads or bad leans.

Difference: the Addams Family version did not feature clear stances; they had to be inferred. This time she did a better job on that front.

I'll say it's a net positive.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:56 pm I do though. Also I just haven't spent enough time in the thread to develop anything from what little interaction there has been. Sorry I've been doing other things in my life Trying to save up my energy for the championship I guess.

You just told me that there has been no actual discussion. That's bullshit. A civilian nutella does not struggle to form some perspectives in a Day 0 that has already amassed 260 posts.

I have almost 70 posts and have dedicated a number of them to attacking you. Take a stance.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:04 pmbut I'm still saying stuff.

What are you saying?

That's the problem. I don't see anything.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:09 pm Maybe if you quit running your mouth for five seconds now that I'm finally devoting more than five seconds at a time to the thread

Familiar faces that ain't smilin' like before
The time of our time has come and gone
I fear we been waiting too long

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:12 pm Also when has anyone ever cared what your post count is
quit being such a parody of yourself

The point was that I personally had a ton of content to be judged, and you were telling me there'd been no discussion.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:25 am eh (lackluster).

You're nicer than I am.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:30 ameh. in fact, i do think scum nutella would have tried to avoid a jay-confrontation on day 0.

I don't think nutella would try to squirm away from me yelling about her and at her in any alignment. Indeed, the only way I cannot change my mind is if someone doesn't engage with me at all.

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
juliets
Kites
novaselinenever
speedchuck

Long Con
reywaS

Elochin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Lunalee
MacDougall
Matahari
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
nutella
Spacedaisy

Shine brighter, civilians.

Jack reels off 12 posts in quick succession. Only one read exists in that set, and it is conditional crud: “DDL and Jay not both bad”

Poop

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:18 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:06 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:04 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?
Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?
OOOOooof sPiCy

Any major dude will tell you
Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?
I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

juliets didn't say that. She said everything; she covered every possibility. How is that spicy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:32 pm Does Juliets know the answer to some of these questions? = Are Juliets and Mac both scum?

I don't find that remotely spicy. Do you believe nutella genuinely found it to be spicy?

juliets asks a bunch of questions.

If she knows the answers to any of them, it at minimum suggests that she is mafia.

What reason exists to think she might know the answers?

This assertion can be made about pretty much any question asked by anyone in any game pertaining to alignment. Why is it spicy this time?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:10 pm Jack reels off 12 posts in quick succession. Only one read exists in that set, and it is conditional crud: “DDL and Jay not both bad”

Poop
Surely you know full well that he is reacting to things as he reads and this is absolutely par for the course for jack. Shut your damn overeager mouth.

You go back, Jack, do it again, wheels turning round and round you go back, Jack, do it again

You've called me a "parody" of myself, and you've called me "overeager".

You've also called me town. Because you know you can't extend your shade into an actual accusation. Die.

nutella white-knighting Jack for absolutely no reason other than to complain at someone she called a town read (me):

not a civilian

lynch asap

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:32 pm Does Juliets know the answer to some of these questions? = Are Juliets and Mac both scum?
I don't find that remotely spicy. Do you believe nutella genuinely found it to be spicy?
Yes.

Do you think scum Nutella needs to pretend things are spicy?

Yes.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:32 pm Does Juliets know the answer to some of these questions? = Are Juliets and Mac both scum?
I don't find that remotely spicy. Do you believe nutella genuinely found it to be spicy?
This is seriously the lamest accusation. Why do you think I faked that reaction? Of course I thought it was spicy you absolute nitwit.

nutella calling things "spicy" is absolute token meta. As a mafioso you have a clear reason to squeeze into those meta pajamas as best as you can.

If I don't buy it, you will hear me yell about it until I am satisfied (I'm not yet).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:42 pm Lol okay. Good talk.

I don't know why you care so much every game about what scum "need" as if they are perfect automatons operating only at peak efficiency

Anyway yes, I think that a nutella who wants to look like her civilian self will feel some need to say things rather like that.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:51 pm But I may need to revise my take on you if you are unwilling to change your mind. Usually town Jay calls me out for something, I respond with righteous rage, and he backs down saying I'm civilian because of my defense. But here you are refusing to see through to my town self. Take off the tinted glasses for five seconds or I'll assume they are glued to your face.

Usually nutella provides me with responses that aren't crap

I'm already tired of being a skittle.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:15 pm Would you say it is maybe in one of those piles?

I don't understand the question. Are you asking if I think it's just one of those three who is evil? If so: I have no reason to presume such a limitation apart from raw probability.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:15 pmBut seriously this does look like a parody of Jay’s towngame. “Lemme just pressure everybody. I do that as town, right?”

Welcome to 2019, wherein JaggedJimmyJay has played maybe the best civilian ball of his life but has only one win to show for it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:17 pm What means this post?

I hurled poop at nutella for her shtick by way of referencing my own most recent mafia-aligned shticking. It's not a point I consider important at present.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:30 pm Why is DDL at the top of your list?

The alphabet.

He's green because I thought he sounded authentic in his exchanges with me.

Jack can have a green.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:21 pm Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Tell me about Lunalee

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:24 pmWhy are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

someone get this man a salad already

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:01 pm Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

I changed my mind. dunya and I get into spats quite like that in many Days 0 wherein she presses me for my least-developed flier reads, implies they aren't real, and then I get cranky because undeveloped reads are my Day 0 bread and butter. The most important detail to me about dunya is that she seems to be consciously resisting the urge to make a bunch of posts as opposed to reveling in pre-game slank cover -- it's a good thing that reflects my own play at present (granted I have shown considerably less restraint).

Daisy is a civilian.

I think Daisy's reads look very authentic.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:07 pm Daisy is a civilian.
Two of her three reads are real questionable and two of her three could easily be distancing.

Let's approach it the Jack way.

Do you think Daisy's scum move is to go straight after the J squad?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:16 pm I think Daisy's reads look very authentic.
I could not disagree more.

The Juliets and Jack reads are garbage.

She’s defending and accusing Juliets at the same time. That’s teammate behavior.

I don't think those reads are garbage. Given that you, nutella, and I had just spent much of a page talking about juliets, I can understand how someone else had the impression that you found a juliets/Mac pairing to be... spicy -- whether you intended it or not, that implies that you take the possibility seriously that they're teamed (and thus suspicious).

I'll leave Daisy to talk about the two-way take on juliets.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:52 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:25 am eh (lackluster).
You're nicer than I am.
what do you mean?

You're more likely than I am to forgive slank cover (and perhaps more likely by extension to view accusations of slank cover as being lame).

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:29 am If Jay doesn’t come back to this with a Dunya scumread or something about the reads being for a reaction, I will eat my hat.

i wish people paid attention to things i'm saying. i never said those gut reads weren't for a reaction, i think if anyone knows the shit flinging game it's me. but i can still try to find inconsistencies in jay's play to distinguish someone faking it to authentic jay. his style isn't hard to replicate if he puts enough effort. ya'll can give him the shiniest green skittle cos he posts like a mad man but i'm happy being me.

I'm pretty sure Jack was making fun of me in that post.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:28 pm that's true. do you think that's a weakness in my play? this isn't really game related, but i'm curious if you don't mind answering.

No, not necessarily. Both mean and nice can be effective under the right circumstances, and they can often be effective when used simultaneously (in a good cop/bad cop kind of way).

Mean players are probably likely to incite emotion and passion in their suspects, which tends to make those people easier to read. It can also create discord though, and make people less eager to follow the lead of the meanie.

Nice players may be more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by those who will get away with lackluster play, but they're also much easier to follow and [arguably] harder to suspect.

And when it comes to Mafia play, being "nicer than JJJ" isn't saying much. I wouldn't characterize you as being super nice yourself. You can be a scary bumblebee when you want to be.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 pm We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.

I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:34 pm Just because I think I need to post something, I’ll put this out here.
I’m at a point where I’m making connections between people, no further than that. I have connected at least five people, but I’m not naming them yet. Because, I feel like studying them more, and because I don’t feel strongly that any of them are bad. One more because- there are still two people who haven’t checked in yet.

If I need to say anything more productive, prod me and I’ll try. Otherwise, I’m going back to observation mode.

I support you doing your thing the way you want to do it, Matahari. Just please keep notes on those connections so that we might see them at some point in Day 1 at least.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 pm We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.
I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.
And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.

I believe that you believe in your argument here, so chase it to your heart's desire. I'm not feeling it.

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