The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

All this is how I feel. Can we be friends?

Forced pocket/mindmeld, Mac cat.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:50 pm Let's not do this thing in this game and just fast forward to where we town read each other and let the Mafia solve us hmmm?

I'll fastforward if you do something that looks like a civilian. You don't have to be 100% Mac, but I'm not just skipping the "figure out Mac" portion of solving the game.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:51 pm Has Michelle played another game here that isn't Girl Genious?

Nope, assuming there is no alternative username

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:50 pm Let's not do this thing in this game and just fast forward to where we town read each other and let the Mafia solve us hmmm?

I'll fastforward if you do something that looks like a civilian. You don't have to be 100% Mac, but I'm not just skipping the "figure out Mac" portion of solving the game.

I'm being heaps pro civ by not putting my stinky breath all over everyone.

Why am I a good boy?

Elevate Mac to the "good enough for now" pile.

Feeling quite confident about the early trajectory of this game. Staying zen may be aiding my confidence; emotion is a dangerous drug. I feel like bored Neo.

nutella
novaselinenever

Epignosis
Long Con
Rej
speedchuck
MacDougall

Fayt
Michelle
sprityo
TonyStarkprime
Turnip Head

Dragomir

lol sorry I keep omitting you Dom. Orange

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:21 pm This is asinine.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:22 pm This is also asinine.

You find a lot of us to be following asinine leads. At least these four people have expressed some manner of clear suspicion on you:

JJJ
novaselinenever
nutella
MacDougall

What are your impressions of these four wielders of the asinine?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:25 pm You're bad. Nova is good. Nutella is neutral. Mac is good but just has bad reads.

Okay. Why x4

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:25 pm You're bad. Nova is good. Nutella is neutral. Mac is good but just has bad reads.

Okay. Why x4

I'm only explaining why on just you.

That's a start.

Do it.

Alrighty then. I shall remain asinine.

[mention]Rej[/mention], you said you didn't understand the suspicion on Dragomir. Does this imply that you view him as a civilian?

It’s POE, Dragomir. I got nothing for the orange people, and so they are suspects. Null is illegal.

I have an actual reason to suspect you, even if you find it asinine, and that means you get your own cozy place in the red tier. I am frankly just as baffled that you cannot believe the suspicion you’ve faced as you claim to be about that suspicion. You’re pretty much asking everyone else to read your mind if you’re a civilian.

You were asked numerous times to expand on your takes, and you elected to decline. Loudly. I am tasked with interpreting that behavior, behavior which does not recall what I saw in Persona 5.

I am still considering what to do with you. I will be as long as we’re both alive in the Mafia game. That has no bearing on a rainbow list. I’ll mull it over while I eat my puppy chow tonight.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:05 pmI just had a brain fart and got on google and looky here. I found a pic of Jay.

My namesake sells only the best shit. That jet is never laced with nothing. Pure and dreamy.

Doggy read on Turnip Head.

Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

choo choo

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:19 pm Doggy read on Turnip Head.

Expand: TH is someone I associate with against the grain reads, as is seen with his Dragomir take. The Rej take is mindmeld-adjacent in that I at least share some concern for essentially the same reason.

Separate concern with Fayt there is that the reads are conditional — Dragomir and I aren’t being interpreted really, we’re being [dis]associated. The door is left open for any read on either of us.

I have thoughts, nutella. I’ll let Dragomir speak first.

Michelle seemed more serious business early in Girl Genius (she was mafia) than she has here. She’s having a good time. Neat.

The thing you said about a car, see? I think was a joke, see? I also thought it had real function as being incredulous about my “tell me more” bit, see?

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] where in the absolute shit is your vote?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:39 pm Also JJJ is a Cincy fan. Bengals.

"The Bengal tiger ranks among the biggest wild cats alive today."

Lynch him.

Doesn’t this already bring me enough pain?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:37 pm Turnip Head

i'm not civ reading mac yet

but i also like ur point

Are you referring to TH’s point against Rej or his point against Mac?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:31 pm The thing you said about a car, see? I think was a joke, see? I also thought it had real function as being incredulous about my “tell me more” bit, see?

Not really. It not "real" in any way other than referencing Grease.

I didn’t even know until right now that you were referencing Grease, despite your gif and “tell me more”.

I’m not the smartest doggo.

I think Dragomir’s behavior to this point has been goofy, but not outlandish. When he expanded on his read that I’m no good, I thought he looked pretty genuine. The case may not be “strong”, but that’s not a standard I’m holding any case to at this stage of a Mafia game.

It’s about me so I grant the potential for biases etc. A Dragomir voter and/or accuser should talk about this.

werd

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:55 am @Dragomir we must be the best mafia players on earth when people always try to get us dayoned.

Yare yare I come and I have to catch up as fuck on mobile.



Ok switch in scenes: I am sitting on the toilette and have time now:
@JaggedJimmyJay I was neither civ nor scum reading Dragomir. Until you bring me a vital slip I wont scumread Dragomir that easily simple as that. Get used it.

Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies.

So I have 3 votes on me. And I threw soft suspicion on Michelle and Sprityo. I feel like scum is voting me up in hope that my wagon becomes stronger EoD when others join up to generate an easy mislynch.

I will revisit novas post brb.

You said you didn’t understand the case on Dragomir. That can imply a number of things, and I seek to know precisely what was in your head. You say didn’t read him as a civilian or as mafia. Cool beans. You defended him anyway, before he’d made any truly substantive post, and I am not clear on what’s not to understand. Whether it’s right or not, the beefs with Dragomir were pretty ordinary stuff.

I don’t care whether you give me a “clear civ read”, and I don’t know why you felt it necessary to say that. I’m aggressive, which you seemed to anticipate given your earlier assessment of me (I’ll have to quote it in a separate post, mobile is abysmal). Now I’m all of these at once:

~ Not clear civ
~ Behaving in a way that you don’t know benefits the mafia
~ Looking worse
~ One of two lynch candidates

I don’t see any progression whatsoever leading you here other than “JJJ voted for me”.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:20 pm Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

This is literally the opposite of what you just said. Getting into tizzies and being aggressive were not only town indicators for you, but you enjoyed it and encouraged more.

What changed?

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:59 am Nothing changed. I still like tizzies. Else I wouldnt had engaged myself in this.

The question rather is if you are the same civillian JJJ from the other game? I'd say no.

Back then (persona game) you got heavily pressured and then you started your rational and well thought civillian play. Now I feel things are differently. You dont do your analysis you are underwhelming in contrast to your previous plays.

So JJJ tell me what changed?

You didnt come any further than saying "rej is lackluster he is a wolf".

Expecting “analysis” right now, from anyone, is quite silly. Most players in this thread have < 20 posts. The content is relatively thin. Instead we operate with posts in real-time, and that’s what you see.

Moreover, the way you just reduced everything I have said about you to “Rej is lackluster” is ridiculous. Go sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:19 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:14 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:12 am Are you trying to say that all I've been doing is just say that the accusations against me are fake and bad?

Mostly. Yeah.

I hard disagree but I won't argue.

I think this is the crux of things innit? I would guess that many people in this thread have a similar interpretation of your play to Dom (those who disagree can interject).

So I would like to officially give you this exclusive opportunity to rail against your accusers and say NAY! I have done MORE than you say I have done! Just jot down a quick list of all of your contributions to this point as you perceive and remember them.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:09 am I don't even need to hear NAY!

I need to her solutions. What's your plan?

Dragomir stated suspicions of Long Con and of me, and he provided specific reasons for each. Please describe what you feel is lacking in those reads.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:14 am What isn't lacking about his read of you?

Maybe “lacking” is the wrong word. “Disingenuous” is better. His suspicion of me wasn’t “well-founded”, but that means nothing to me compared to “was it genuine?”

He has fielded suspicion from a ton of people in this game and he hasn’t suspected them all. What I feel [mention]Dragomir[/mention] has struggled to do is to explain in clear terms what the differences are — something you understandably don’t care for Dom. I am tasking myself with digging into the following distinction:

Dragomir has failed to explain all of his reads effectively because they are not real.

Dragomir has failed to explain all of his reads effectively because he doesn’t entirely know how.

Reminder to self to look at the Scrimmage game where Dragomir was a civilian and faced constant misguided pressure.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:04 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:19 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:14 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:12 am Are you trying to say that all I've been doing is just say that the accusations against me are fake and bad?

Mostly. Yeah.

I hard disagree but I won't argue.

I think this is the crux of things innit? I would guess that many people in this thread have a similar interpretation of your play to Dom (those who disagree can interject).

So I would like to officially give you this exclusive opportunity to rail against your accusers and say NAY! I have done MORE than you say I have done! Just jot down a quick list of all of your contributions to this point as you perceive and remember them.

I'd rather not. I see that there's no convincing you guys to my side so I'd rather not spend energy on something that won't help. You could always do it for me though.

No dude. lol

Based on what you just said to me I’d lean the former. When I get to my computer I will dig.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:31 am Based on what you just said to me I’d lean the former. When I get to my computer I will dig.

*Smashes keyboard*

I gave you a chance to speak for yourself, and you declined and asked me to do it for you.

I mean are you kidding?

Something to note is that neither present wagonee is inclined to vote on their counterwagon. I'm not sure that's what I expect from any of these arrangements: c/m, m/c, or m/m. As such it's in their favor.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:44 am Yeah, you are already taking the spotlight, so go make something out of it.

Nobody has done more in this thread than I have. I don't know where you get this stuff.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:44 amThis is very offending (the statement in red). Like a wolf who tries too much to get attention from town, powerwolfing and almost angle-shooting here.

That red thing was a facetious reference to the grade school classroom. Maybe that's a cultural split if you don't recognize it; no clue how it could be "angle-shooting".

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:44 amSo JJJ just said he can't play like in the Persona game because of a reason that is not true. JJJ analysed minposter in the Persona game and now he can't do the same here?

I have made reads on minimal posters. I haven't "analyzed" them, and I never have. There's nothing to analyze. What exactly do you mean when you refer to analysis? I am thinking of wall posts and thorough cross-sections of ISOs, etc. Is that what you're talking about?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:39 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:08 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:48 pm I like this. People scum reading me. More of what I'm used to.

...??????

What's so confusing?

Only game I've seen you in you were a ubiquitous townread. Do you usually get scumread? Where? (perdon if this was already asked)

Dragomir was widely read as mafia in our scrimmage (wrongly). I'm going to take a quick look to draw comparisons.

[mention]Rej[/mention], why is Dragomir a civilian?

[mention]Dragomir[/mention], why is Rej a civilian?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], why Rej?

The following tidbits come from Day 4 of the Scrimmage game, and not from this game. I wish only to draw a comparison:


I acknowledge the contextual difference: different game, different time in the game. Whatever. I don't think those are super meaningful differences and so I proceed.

Dragomir took flak throughout this game, but he survived all of it. The criticism continued to mount through the finish, and when it reached its worst levels he responded with posts like those in the spoiler. Note the language: "the reasonings against me are ludicrous" / "I'm not as suspicious as you guys actually believe" -- these closely parallel what we've seen in this game. Dragomir seems to have a tendency to dismiss suspicion against him in this sort of obstinate, off-hand fashion. It doesn't have to be motivated by his role card if it's motivated by who he is.

Then consider the last post in the spoiler. Dragomir placed errant trust in much of the mafia team, and indeed in that game the attacks he received (in the specific posts I provided) were from members of the mafia (Mac and I). This sort of portends the reflections of suspicion he has displayed here.

I think this works in his favor.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:48 pm I like this. People scum reading me. More of what I'm used to.

...??????

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:05 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:25 pm If you guys can't at all agree with what I'm saying then I guess that's just too bad. I find all that fooling around that I did to be irrelevant and not at all scummy. You guys disagree. Let's agree to disagree and move on from this.

That's the second time you've made this defense-- "Oh, I don't think I looked scummy!" That's a very easy thing to say from a scum perspective as a defense. Not convincing.

These posts suck, nutella. The pile of question marks comes in response to an ordinary post, and the second post adds nothing but a further dampening of the atmosphere for Dragomir. "It's very easy to say from a scum perspective" means less when it can just as easily be said from a civilian perspective -- indeed it is not remotely rare for civilians to tell people that the suspicions against them are not actually suspicious. Everything is obviously in the eye of the beholder, but logic means fuck all. The real concern is sincerity. I don't get the impression you're looking for the latter.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:22 am told ya guys, you put a fucking vote on JJJ and he starts doing his thing. that's how easy it goes

I just said a bit ago that I wanted to look into that when I could get to my computer.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:22 am Angle-shooting by using phrases against the other person that have the chance to emotionally wound the person in real life.

I'm not concerned with all the other stuff. I will address this though: I did not intend to hurt feelings or the like. It was meant to be humorous. I am sorry that it didn't land. I don't play the game that way.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 amHe's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

I agree that it's fallacious, though that's something I am thinking about. Rej has only played one game with me, and it was that one. So it makes some sense that he'd be inclined to assess me on that basis.

I'm looking for a new wagon.