The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:17 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:19 am @Marmot would you consider fiddler on the roof to have been an average town game for you, at least as far as the early parts of it?

I don't think I could in any capacity give a description or example of an average town game for me.

could I have a link to one then?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:32 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:25 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:22 pm i would appreciate if some folks would look through lc's iso and tell me what they think

Pretty much nothing. It suits his early play in both MK and Fiddler (civilian and mafia respectively), so we'll see how it develops. He's a suspect so long as there is no reason to give him civilian credit.

what do you make specifically of his confusion on how drafting works

It tells me nothing. I'd expect members of both factions to not be sure what's going on in the draft.

I think Kyle dropped this line of thinking without a word after JJJ's post here. Why?

I haven't dropped the line of thinking, I just haven't talked about it again since then. I feel like I suspect you early in a lot of games so I want to make sure I'm being realistic. I understand not paying attention in the beginning of stuff and not wanting to read every single day 0 post. I've seen that from you before, in Mortal Kombat where you were a civ. The fact that you're co-hosting a game with your wife rn is also obviously a factor in that.

The thing that stuck out to me was this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:24 pmOh, this is going? I beg a role now? Who decides?

First post, you come in asking a few reasonable questions for someone who hasn't read anything other than maybe the first couple posts of the thread. At this point you seem to understand that getting a role requires begging and someone else deciding for you. Then you leave for 4 hours.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:44 amHeresy! No, hey, this has started for real now? Accuations and stuff? I thought it was all role-picking in order, and I figured I'd get notified or something when it's my turn. Do I pick a role I want? Full disclosure: I haven't read anything and am posting blind right now.

4 hours later in your second post you seems to know less about the draft mechanics than you did at the start. You ask if you get to pick your own role, and imply thinking the role selection goes in a turn order, all of which contradicts what you understood in your first post. If the questions posed in the first post were real questions I don't know why you wouldn't have spent a little time looking for the answers yourself since they'd all be on the front page.

It seems fake to me. It seems like posturing.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:15 am @Kylemii - what do you make out of Epignosis so far? Do you think his exercise serves a purpose that is townie-aligned?

Idk about epignosis. He seems a little disengaged, and the fact that he chose to give away the wyvern role is a whole other basket full of wifom. I trusted his choice when he didn't give the wyvern to rundontwalk but then again it could have been an excuse to give a potential scum partner sig a killing role... which I wouldn't put past Epi at all.

I see the value in his excercise, since at the very least it makes it clearer which players would make the most popular team picks overall. I can already tell what the ideal teammates would be from my perspective, and a little from the perspectives of people I've been playing with for 10 years, but if you asked like "who is iron dwarf close friends with?" I don't know? how would I know that. In that way, I see the value.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:48 am Okay let’s play the Why is Kyle mafia game.

VOTE: KYLEMII

I’m pretty confident but I want to hear what you guys think.

Why? I'd like to hear what you think.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:29 pmReally only 4 hours between those two posts? Feels like it was forever. Like it was the next day or something. Huh. At that point, I didn't understand what it even meant; I had just read Jack's pregame post that said "Thread opened for role begging." Role begging? What is that even? I didn't know.

oh you're right. it was literally the next day.

I didn't know less about the draft mechanics, I knew the same amount: nothing. I kind of had it in my mind that when my turn comes around, I would catch up and be more informed about how it worked and then do the right thing... instead, I didn't do that, because I felt like maybe there was some time pressure involved, and I wanted to get my part done so the game couold proceed.

You say you don't know why I wouldn't have spent a little time looking for answers myself... but you do know why, you already partially said why. I'm hosting a game, I'm in another game, and I was following along with Mortal Kombat as well during those last few interesting days. Fire Emblem starting was like "oh damn, now I'm involved in another one? What am I doing??"

even with all that, i responded to your questions and @ mentioned you, I'm pretty sure others did too... did you leave the thread right after making the first post and not have time to come back for the entire 28 hours? You were really posting blind like you said?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:08 pm [1] DrWilgy - Marmot
[1] lapluie - JaggedJimmyJay
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[2] Marmot - Long Con , RunDontWalk

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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime

Yknow i really dont want to vote without feeling confident, but ill vote ddl out of preservation if i need to

TonyStarkPrime voted for me, not Nutella.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:37 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

^^ Vote tags

how did you do that [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:19 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:17 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:12 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:08 pm [1] DrWilgy - Marmot
[1] lapluie - JaggedJimmyJay
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[2] Marmot - Long Con , RunDontWalk

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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime

Yknow i really dont want to vote without feeling confident, but ill vote ddl out of preservation if i need to

Why preserve yourself? A townie would accept his fate.

I sort of get what you're saying but I think most of us are here because we want to play the game and not get kicked out as soon as it starts, no?

Scum value self preservation more

in general i agree with the sentiment but I don't agree with the conclusion at all. It's every civs duty to defend themselves up to and including self preservation votes. It's more vital for mafia cus a single mafia death is more harmful to their chances than a single town death is to town, but if every civ who gets voted takes the stance of "I should probably just die instead of voting for self preservation" then the game probably ends in a loss.

"You should be okay with dying." is a weird position to take if you're not joking.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] you're the only player who got to choose their own role, what made you decide to choose cleric?

Quin reminds me of early Mortal Kombat joke-y relaxed Quin, but he's not throwing pinecones in anyone's bike spokes. I want to see him throw some cones.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:59 pm@sprityo you're the only player who got to choose their own role, what made you decide to choose cleric?

i wanted to spite marmot for no reason other than to be a dick

real answer?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:48 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:12 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:08 pm [1] DrWilgy - Marmot
[1] lapluie - JaggedJimmyJay
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[2] Marmot - Long Con , RunDontWalk

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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime

Yknow i really dont want to vote without feeling confident, but ill vote ddl out of preservation if i need to

Why preserve yourself? A townie would accept his fate.

I disagree with this a lot. No townie should ever resign themselves to be lynched, because from your point of view, you are usually the only player who is 100% confirmed town. Anyone is a better lynch than you, even someone you think is town, on the off chance you are wrong.

can anyone who's played with rdw say if this is a viewpoint has precedent in RDW's past gameplay experiences

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:51 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:48 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:12 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:08 pm [1] DrWilgy - Marmot
[1] lapluie - JaggedJimmyJay
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[2] Marmot - Long Con , RunDontWalk

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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime

Yknow i really dont want to vote without feeling confident, but ill vote ddl out of preservation if i need to

Why preserve yourself? A townie would accept his fate.

I disagree with this a lot. No townie should ever resign themselves to be lynched, because from your point of view, you are usually the only player who is 100% confirmed town. Anyone is a better lynch than you, even someone you think is town, on the off chance you are wrong.

can anyone who's played with rdw say if this is a viewpoint has precedent in RDW's past gameplay experiences

[mention]funya[/mention]

dunya.....

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:06 pm I also attribute that comment as a contribution to rdw's #ballstothewall mystique. Does he literally mean that a townie would accept his fate? No, it's just brash, overconfident showmanship. It's what he does.

ah okay. this context helps.

rundontwalk reminds me of macdougall

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:47 pm unvote Marmot
vote: Nutella

Gth, who would you kill right now? Think carefully as this person actually will die. I have a secret day kill.

DrWilgy

why dr wilgy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:58 am Kyle 48 hours is 2 real life days buddy

>:[

more like jerkofhearts am i right?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:00 pm If I wanted waffles I'd go to Denny's.

[mention]dunya[/mention] see? macdougall.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:50 pmwhy dr wilgy?

He's MIA, I haven't even seen the usual zany shit from him since the draft (he hasn't posted at all since the actual day started). Laying that low, combined with the set of roles he requested, put him at a pretty bad spot for me atm.

didn't you also ask for the wyvern though?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:50 pmwhy dr wilgy?

He's MIA, I haven't even seen the usual zany shit from him since the draft (he hasn't posted at all since the actual day started). Laying that low, combined with the set of roles he requested, put him at a pretty bad spot for me atm.

didn't you also ask for the wyvern though?

yeah, I asked for wyvern or pegasus for mostly flavory reasons, though like it would have been cool to get the vig but I totally don't blame DDL for giving me the weaker of the ones I asked for, as I probably would have done for Wilgy had Tony not come along with a more straightforward request

but don't you regularly describe yourself as "waffly"? why would you want to willingly subject yourself to the anxiety and stress of playing the vigilante role and having to make a gun to head decision every single night?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:29 pmlol I've had fun with vig roles in the past, though it's been a while. I think I'd take a different attitude to the role than I generally have toward suspicions in the thread (and day 1 would have at least passed which is always the hardest)

hmmmmmm okay. and you enjoyed the vig role before? they were good experiences?

unrelated question: as of right now, how do you feel about your pegasus cousins, long con and rabbit?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

skylar is rundontwalk?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:45 pmIf they are top suspect of town then they should go willingly to death to clear things up after saying their peace, but why make yourself target of scum

In the context of not fighting a lynch it's more likely to help town save time if you're too controversial and need to get out

i don't agree with any of the things you just said, at all.

if a player is a top suspect then it's their responsibility to help find a better suspect or at the very least convince town that they shouldn't be lynched. if every suspected civ gives up immediately then town loses every time.

likewise if every player holds back from scumhunting to preserve their own lives then the thread would slow down to a crawl and nothing would ever get done, and also the game would get really boring.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pmKyle dude has been playing very apprehensively, and when he tries to contribute to conversation it seems a bit forced or reactive.

I think that might just be who I am as a person.

In general I am actually just an apprehensive and reactive player. I don't like to make assumptions on anything until there's solid grounding to do so, and I try to consider all possible angles of every player and every situation until I've whittled everything down to the most likely truths.

I'm sorry why are people assuming that epis data collection has anything to do with his backstory or his role at all? anyone could ask any of the questions he's asked and use the data to extrapolate something without a game power being involved. it's not like the troubador is known for being the only unit class in fire emblem that has S-class proficiency in excel spreadsheets, (that would probably be merchant or tactician)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:36 pm @sig Mac made a fake callout of rdw as a "trap", he didn't really scumread him, and as for kyle you may be remembering Tony's mysterious accusation of Kyle which he still has not explained

linki: oh jay says it was SFQ, which I didn't win ftr

Does anyone else have any thoughts on Kyle? Cause I'm surprised by the lack of thoughts on Kyle.

I think a better question is, do you have any thoughts on me? because you've brought me up twice now as a discussion topic without really giving a reason why.

If you want people to talk about me then be the change you want to see in the world.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:39 pm I'm sorry why are people assuming that epis data collection has anything to do with his backstory or his role at all? anyone could ask any of the questions he's asked and use the data to extrapolate something without a game power being involved. it's not like the troubador is known for being the only unit class in fire emblem that has S-class proficiency in excel spreadsheets, (that would probably be merchant or tactician)

Kyle stop saying smart stuff. It makes me feel bad for thinking you are mafia.

@Epi Yes

I'm not smart and I'm not mafia

epi you've said a few times you don't have an opinion on nutella. can you do me a favor and generate one? please

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:16 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 am epi you've said a few times you don't have an opinion on nutella. can you do me a favor and generate one? please

I don't have an opinion on nutella. I'm not going to generate one.

I know. You've said that.

I'm asking you to generate an opinion because you're commandeering the thread in a really weird way, so please take a break from doing that and give a read on nutella instead.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:22 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:16 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 am epi you've said a few times you don't have an opinion on nutella. can you do me a favor and generate one? please

I don't have an opinion on nutella. I'm not going to generate one.

I know. You've said that.

I'm asking you to generate an opinion because you're commandeering the thread in a really weird way, so please take a break from doing that and give a read on nutella instead.

Are you stone?

I don't have an opinion on nutella.

You asking me isn't going to change that.

Epignosis.......................

i'm not asking for something weird here. you've said "no opinion" like 5 times. she's been a popular discussion topic... you should at least have a feeling, and if you don't, the fact that you don't should bother you enough to fix it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:40 amNo. It doesn't bother me at all.

Why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:43 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:40 amNo. It doesn't bother me at all.

Why?

I already explained this.

I am going to lynch somebody myself. All by myself.

Your votes don't count.

that doesn't explain anything about your views on nutella

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:43 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:40 amNo. It doesn't bother me at all.

Why?

I already explained this.

I am going to lynch somebody myself. All by myself.

Your votes don't count.

I also don't really think this thing where you take control of the entire lynch is a good idea. Regardless of whether you have good ideas about who should be lynched, and regardless of whether you're even telling the truth about having a lynch switch at all, claiming that you do risks stifles discussion. If people believe their votes don't matter then they'll spend less time talking about who they're going to vote for and who they suspect. I don't see what the positive is supposed to be.

[mention]nutella[/mention] do you understand epi's aversion to reading you and/or talking about you in this game?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:10 amlinki, eh not really beyond what he's said about being wary of reading me wrong. but like his stubbornness about it seems like epi being epi

do you have a read on epi?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:19 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:15 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:10 amlinki, eh not really beyond what he's said about being wary of reading me wrong. but like his stubbornness about it seems like epi being epi

do you have a read on epi?

I have said that I think he's town and I still do

hmmm okay.

your rainbows always have such a nice color gradient

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 am- And the lynch manipulator issue, which can be explained by two possibilities. One, Epi is lying, and if so I want to see why. Probably linked to the exercise. Second, he is telling the truth, and if so, we are powerless to stop him. So I'll just ignore it, wait to see what he is cooking, and keep playing the game as if this wasn't a factor.

agreed

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:39 pm Hi, I'm ten pages behind right now, and I don't know if I'll be reading them or not. I don't want my Pegasister to be lynched... as of ten pages ago, I felt like she was being railroaded by a few aggressive, high-posting players, and I am not that surprised to see the tally in the state that it's currently in for her.

actually I would appreciate if you'd at least scan the 10 pages a lot of stuff has happened that doesn't even involve Nutella, and i want your input since you have a lot of experience with epignosis.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:04 amKenway to me is like what Glorf is to Syndicators. Let that sink in.

is this to say he's often easy to read because of arbitrary self-imposed moral ruleset, or something else?

what do the votes look like right now

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:42 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:40 pm I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

Like I said, won't be the 10th time civ Epi refuses to do perfectly reasonable tasks because he's stubborn as fuck.

I answered the question. He isn't satisfied with my answer.

Kylemii asked me to make up an opinion on nutella. I don't even know where to begin with that.

i wasn't satisfied because you didn't answer

do you think you should you be exempt from giving opinions on important topics?

despite everything i don't actually see epi's actions in aggregate as being mafia indicative.

for one thing, if he truly does have a lynch switch as his background power he'd have to know that it would probably come in handy more later on if a teammate came in danger, and he'd probably be pressured by teammates to not use it on the first day.

and if he's lying about the lynch switch for reactions or whatever, mafia epi would have to know that such a large bluff would give him attention.

counterpoint: point one obviously falls apart if nutella is his teammate, also a lynch switch seems a little strong compared to the other background powers that we've heard about, and would make sense thematically as a bonus for the troubador's promotion valkyrie because of the higher level 'rescue' staff. though maybe we've only heard about the weaker background abilities because the people with active ones have kept it more quiet? but then again, if epi and Nutella are mafia together epi would have motivation to specifically not refuse to read her, cus like.... this isn't his first rodeo. so nevermind actually. if there's something up between nutella and epi it's probably not this

I could get down with a nutella lunch or a quin lynch tbh.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

he seems different from mortal kombat quin and i want more time to analyze epi and nut

mod privilege is being able to post while the thread is locked

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] does what happened in the lynch post align with what you expected to happen?

[mention]Marmot[/mention] would it fuck with your plan terribly if I don't do what you ask? It seems like your thing is power related and I can't help but feel like my magic would fuck with that by making whatever thing benefits by you being targeted a lot uh.... do the opposite thing.