The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:42 pm
Why dunya?

(also nice color scheme)

Nevermind you already answered this

[mention]dunya[/mention] I tried to ask you earlier in battle speak but we're you spectating the thread prior to replacing in?

welcome rabbit

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:31 amKyle and Dunya presented actual cases.

oh my god I was worried no one actually knew what I was trying to say, it seemed like you were the only person to respond to any of them and all you said was "disgusting"

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:51 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:07 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:56 pm I was restricted to 1 word per post during Day 2.

why do you think that was?

I noticed you were trying to get him to talk on day 1 of the chaotic phase, I see now.

Sorry sorry, got mixed up with names. This was for Kylemii

which part of this is for me? is there any sort of context for this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:11 am Kyle: Elohamon used feint. Eloh Amin used hold back.
Glor: I don't understand.
Kyle: Kylemon used frustration. Gloramon wants to learn inner focus. Delete an older move to learn inner focus?
Lap: It's like he's trying to talk to us.
Kyle: FFS! I'm frustrated and I want you to focus cause Eloh is feighting and holding back cause she's bad.
Epi: Kyle has been modkilled.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:14 am Also

Kyle: Wilgy, do you want to delete an older move to learn "scumhunting?"
Wilgy: Yes


Well why didn't you?

Yessss!!!!! Exactly. It was so hard to express questions. it was even harder to explain the directions of actions. It also sucks that every single pokemon narrator quote has an exclamation point at the end of it. made it hard to express the correct tone sometimes.

Oh, right.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:41 am Kylechu wants to battle.
@Novaselinevereon used stockpile!
it's not very effective.
Novaselineon grew to level 6!
Novaselineon wants to learn Spit Up... but Novaselineon already knows 4 moves! Should a move be forgotten to make space for Spit Up?

That actually still stands. This post came after an iso of Nova. I noticed they hadn't taken a lot of stances or given a lot of reads over the course of the game. I didn't even realize they didn't post anything during day 2.

Also "novaselineon" wasn't a very creative name in retrospect. I kinda phoned that one in.

Dunya earned an early town read from me because of her actions yesterday. She put in the effort to make probably the most legible case of the entire phase, even when it wasn't really expected of her since she replaced into a garbage fire. The possibility of a mafia dunya brazenly swooping in like superman to rescue a teammate on jeopardy still exists but it seems less likely.

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:40 pmI hate how Simon came at the very last to vote for sig & so did kyle ... ~_~

I actually voted an hour earlier than i usually do.

I voted for sig because I liked the case. I also just liked that there even was a case? I agreed that sig seemed to be lacking in moving content and his reads on LC seemed disjointed.

I didn't really see the case on TonyStarkanine (another cool name I didn't get to use ) even after my ISO, and DrWilgy didnt have any votes at that point, nor did any of my other personal suspects like Elohcindaquil

I guess I could have placed my vote on one of those players anyways as a statement or whatever since sig was getting lynched regardless but I really just.... wanted that day to be over.

I was disappointed that Made didn't take more advantage of having what was, imo, a much easier curse. He wasn't limited by what he could and couldn't say. He could have spoken freely, but he ended up mostly complaining about how bad the thread was.

yes, this is the rabbit I remember

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:32 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:56 pm Here's my rainbow, wtf ever, from day 1 lynch for you bitches.

Speedchuck,
Kyle,
Made,
Nutella
JJJ,
Jack

Look at all those shades of red.....

yea I disagree with your reads on kyle, jjj and JoH, but dun think u town

is this a trendy new way to say "dunya thinks you're town" or a trendy regular way of saying "don't think you're town"

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:37 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:32 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:56 pm Here's my rainbow, wtf ever, from day 1 lynch for you bitches.

Speedchuck,
Kyle,
Made,
Nutella
JJJ,
Jack

Look at all those shades of red.....

yea I disagree with your reads on kyle, jjj and JoH, but dun think u town

is this a trendy new way to say "dunya thinks you're town" or a trendy regular way of saying "don't think you're town"

Sorry, I was trying to be hip and cool and down with the youngsters. Translation: "dunya thinks you're town". I think he's town.

you definitely came accross as trendy and cool. can you elaborate on the rabbit read? I don't think I've ever been able to read or even comprehend rabbit's true form. he's like a Wilgy with sharp teeth

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:44 pm The only reason I don't like speedchuck being scum is because I don't see Quin/speed as team mates based on their mutual reactions to the sig flip. One of them could be a longer tho I guess.

Is Quin a strong scum-read for you? If so, what put him there?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:44 pm The only reason I don't like speedchuck being scum is because I don't see Quin/speed as team mates based on their mutual reactions to the sig flip. One of them could be a longer tho I guess.

Is Quin a strong scum-read for you? If so, what put him there?

He's a third or fourth option atm. I already touched on why. I get weird vibes from people who are vehemently opposed to lynching someone on Day 2 and then coming in the thread with "I knew it". It screams TMI to me. Quin did it during the lynch and after. He was lynching birdswithteeth11... a 0 poster whose flip would have literally given us nothing.

thank you

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:03 pmnp.

What do you think of Quin?

during day 0&1 I had him as slightly town

I wasn't able to understand anything he said during day 2 so um.... that read's been in a bit of a stasis. I'd like to refine it moving forward.

A Quin response to Dunya case would be a good step toward refinement

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:15 pmHe rated other people's posts. The cheaper menu items meant he disagreed or felt bad about this, the more expensive items means he agreed or felt good. Worth going back and having a quick look imo.

I assumed the menu items corresponded to his feelings, like "plain iced cream" would mean "disappointing post" but then other stuff like "pork wontons" went over my head. I'll review his posts with that rating system in mind.

okay cool no death and also Sloonei is here again and also we seem to have a new friend?

I have thoughts on the no-kill.

we have no protective roles, at least among the visible powers. technically speaking there could be a role with a bp vest or something but epi has stated his dislike for that mechanic. Idk I guess it's a possibility. Not the point.

Town has 3 visible ways to stop a kill. Or maybe 4 technically?

1. Subzero blocks the killer
2. Sheeva blocks the killer
3. Li Mei swaps goro's target with someone who was going to target the killer with something else
4. Li Mei swaps the mileena's target with someone else's target who was targetting player who would have been the victim
5. there are also some possibilities involving redirecting a Shang Tsung who is copying any of the above roles I guess
6. also maybe someone has a survival thing as a secret power?

The point is, most of those scenarios requires one of our roles to have targeted the killer with power disruption roles last night, which indicates to me that we're probably on the right track with one of our most recent suspicions. So that's where my focus will be today.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:08 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:57 am Jack of Hearts should be on the poll today. That's my fault. Fixed. Vote again.

didnt take bwt off the poll tho

also no rabbit

i wasn't on the poll in vocaroo for like 3 whole phases in a row and no one even noticed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:09 amA new friend?

the ermac sock

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:18 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:09 amA new friend?

the ermac sock

You didn't mention that I was back. That hurts.

shoot, sorry :x I actually didnt realize you were back until after I started the later part of that post

has sig stopped in? this place seems cooler than the first two

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:34 am Someone tell me about Dunya.

Dunya replaced in during day 2, the chaos realm phase which was a basic fuckpile of nonsense and people trying desperately to be heard because of almost everyone being cursed.

Dunya upon replacing in (and apparently having read the thread ahead of time) almost immediately made a relatively legible case against sig using rap lyrics and strategic quoting. Sig ended up getting lynched, and was a civ.

I think the two main arguments for and against dunya respectively are, "dunya came in and immediately made a strong effort despite adversity and communicated clearly when she didn't need to" and "dunya came in and immediately made a case against someone in order to save a teammate in distress"

There might be some other nuance involved but that's mostly it I think.

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:38 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:55 am okay cool no death and also Sloonei is here again and also we seem to have a new friend?

I have thoughts on the no-kill.

we have no protective roles, at least among the visible powers. technically speaking there could be a role with a bp vest or something but epi has stated his dislike for that mechanic. Idk I guess it's a possibility. Not the point.

Town has 3 visible ways to stop a kill. Or maybe 4 technically?

1. Subzero blocks the killer
2. Sheeva blocks the killer
3. Li Mei swaps goro's target with someone who was going to target the killer with something else
4. Li Mei swaps the mileena's target with someone else's target who was targetting player who would have been the victim
5. there are also some possibilities involving redirecting a Shang Tsung who is copying any of the above roles I guess
6. also maybe someone has a survival thing as a secret power?

The point is, most of those scenarios requires one of our roles to have targeted the killer with power disruption roles last night, which indicates to me that we're probably on the right track with one of our most recent suspicions. So that's where my focus will be today.

I like this thought process.

We believe it to be in error

error?

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:54 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:52 am error?

Indeed. Error.

retrieve error log

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:19 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:42 am Kyle gets townie points for being the first one trying to make a defense on why the kill failed.

Does he retain those townie points if he were deliberately misrepresenting the actual events?

wait what are you talking about? what events were misrepresented?

the only represented event was the fact that there wasn't a kill followed by speculation on ways it could take place, which part of that isn't accurate?

I don't see anything either... like again it's entirely possible that a secret power could have been involved, since every role has one, but I still think the end result is that we should look deeper into the players that might have been heavily suspected enough for them to be targeted by one of those 3 civvie roles. Also... even if the kill was stopped by some other means, we should be looking at those players anyways.

Is it.... possible someone actually did die and we just don't know yet because we're in the nethersphere?

what is the truth? do you know why there wasn't a kill ermac?

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:00 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:55 am what is the truth? do you know why there wasn't a kill ermac?

We believe (on the balance of probability) the reason why there was no night kill. The question here however is do you?

believe what?

i don't know anything about the matter beyond the contents of the role list

alright well in any case, i intend to review eloh novaselinever, wilgy, and dunya, over the course of today, probably a couple others.

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:19 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:03 am

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:00 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:55 am what is the truth? do you know why there wasn't a kill ermac?

We believe (on the balance of probability) the reason why there was no night kill. The question here however is do you?

believe what?

i don't know anything about the matter beyond the contents of the role list

Very well, then. If we assume you are telling the truth, we’d recommend you consider more carefully options other than the one you considered most likely.

Mmmmm... I guess. I mean I'm not sure trying to figure out exactly what happened is a valuable usage of time. There's potential for survival related stuff in secrets, probably. My comment on the kill-miss wasn't a basis for suspicion on it's own but more like a clue that some of us might be on the right track.

I want to lynch a player with a strong case against them no matter what, so nothing really changes if the lack of kill had a secret cause, the roleblock theory was just a data point.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:14 amMmmmm... I guess. I mean I'm not sure trying to figure out exactly what happened is a valuable usage of time.

this came accross as more blunt than I meant it, sorry it's late at night.

I just mean like... If I suspect X player, and many other people suspect X, it's possible that one of our two RBs also suspects X and role RBed them last night causing the no-kill.

If Epignosis came in to the thread and was like "hey guys guess what, that kill was stopped by Doogie Houser, the secret civvie doctor role ;););)" I'd still suspect player X, because the whole reason they seemed like they might have been a potential RB recipient was that they were suspicious in the first place.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:30 pmI am 1 vote sig, you are 1 vote on sig. We are equally responsible, Mr. JoH, so don't go pointing that long finger anywhere k?

hej hej, don't you think this is a little bit untrue? sig wasn't even a point of conversation before you came in and built a case on him.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:30 pmI am 1 vote sig, you are 1 vote on sig. We are equally responsible, Mr. JoH, so don't go pointing that long finger anywhere k?

hej hej, don't you think this is a little bit untrue? sig wasn't even a point of conversation before you came in and built a case on him.

I mean it's not like you bounced in and single-handedly lynched him all on your own, and I don't think making a case against him by itself was a bad look, but it seems like you're underselling your involvement in the event a little bit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:22 pm @Kylemii

Your current thoughts on Simon? Any reads you want to give on quieter people in general would be appreciated.

Simon is a null read rn. I think his 2 most notable actions so far have been voting for bwt, who was at the time a completely irrelevant player and vote, and voting for sig who was, vote-wise, much more relevant. Does Simon have any specific voting tendencies in text based games where his sister isn't also playing?

My only prior Simon experience was in vocaroo where he mostly voted for his sister a lot. I don't remember his votes being relevant enough after Tink's death to be useful for analysis. He lived til the end and ended up with having a civ read only by process of elimination since it would be harder than usual to miss sending in a night kill pm when you actually live with the host, and also because Wilgy got jailed and there wasn't a kill.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:22 pm @Kylemii

Your current thoughts on Simon? Any reads you want to give on quieter people in general would be appreciated.

which other quieter peeps would you like thoughts on?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:36 pmI came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

that wasn't really what i asked. i already do see it that way. you came in and made lemonade out of lemons, then 6 other people drank that lemonade and followed a similar recipe for their own lemonade. then someone died, I guess, which doesn't really fit the lemonade metaphor really(?) but it strikes me as weird that your response is "everyone else contributed to the lemonade just as much as me" rather than like.... "sorry, i guess that lemonade recipe wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, my bad"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:38 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:22 pm @Kylemii

Your current thoughts on Simon? Any reads you want to give on quieter people in general would be appreciated.

which other quieter peeps would you like thoughts on?

Lap, Dave, Rabbit, Nova.....Dom.

Lap... Okay first of all, not a low poster. They have 4 pages of posts. Relatively few strong reads during day 0+1... I didn't like they way they avoided contributing in discussion on day 2 because of the curses. There was plenty to do that didn't require being able to read modern posts. I think the chaos stage was pro-mafia in that it would allow people to take a back seat on scum hunting, if a mafia player took that approach I think it might look like that. Though it was also an attitude shared by many of the uncursed. They've posted a lot more since the end of day 2 though a lot of it seems to be defenses. They start giving reads once prompted by dunya. A lot of these posts are fluff, or gentle prods that aren't followed up on. there is some aggro with rabbit, and then some agreement with Speedchuck on dunya... I'm skimming now, the rest of this is stuff pertaining to suspicion against dunya. Overall I'd say mafia read I don't think that lapluie and dunya are w/w. Maybe one but not both.

Dave has posted almost nothing, and what he has posted hasn't been particularly illuminating. He followed Jay's vote onto outworld and that's about it. Judging only by his two posts I'd say very slight bad read? Very slight.

Rabbit..... He does his i-don't-care-about-anything-im-an-evil-rabbit roleplay thing basically all the time and it makes it hard to read him without contextual evidence from other players, GTH I'd read him as a civ for now but with a continued eye on him.

I reviewed novaselinever during chaos day, I found their posts overall to be lacking of reads and opinions. A lot of posts talking about and excusing the lack of reads and opinions. when players make sure to reiterate excuses they've made for not having a lot of town-contribution it always tends to look bad to me. Like as if they came online and thought to themselves "well, I haven't done anything productive today, I better make sure to give a reason for it". maf-lean on nova

Dom has.... posted nothing. If anything points towards him being one alignment or another it's the fact that he hasn't been replaced. If you subscribe to the theory that hosts tend to replace mafia first since 1 missing mafia member has a greater impact on the game than 1 missing civilian, then that might point to Dom being good? That's just speculation though. Dom is a null read.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:52 pm To clarify, neither Lap nor Rabbit has actual content before Night 2.

You (and Kyle) can complain about being looped into "quiet" but the fact remains reading say Jimmy, Kyle, Dunya, Speed, Quin etc is much less subjective. This is why I'm asking others about these players.

It wasn't a complaint, I'm glad you had me read Lap, I meant to do an iso for them during the chaos day but I didn't get around to it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:52 pmSimon super bad tho.

tell me about simon

was street fighter a job, heist, burglary or a side mission?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:01 pm Somebody research the "bad replacements first" theory.

Between Street Fighter, Pirates and Miuntsins we ought to have a fair dataset.

it might be better to use a dataset composed only of Epignosis games.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:01 pm Somebody research the "bad replacements first" theory.

Between Street Fighter, Pirates and Miuntsins we ought to have a fair dataset.

it might be better to use a dataset composed only of Epignosis games.

Smaller dataset. People change style over time.

Street Fighter is a start.

I actually don't care much for trying to meta alignment out of the mod because it doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game. Also I'm too lazy to check.

yeah same. replaced me in for spacedaisy in vocaroo first and i was a civ. i don't think replacement logistics are a fun or effective way to read a player, i think we have to wait til Dom gets replaced or until we can figure him out by PoE.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:52 pmSimon super bad tho.

tell me about simon

He rully bad. Votes for townies with no reasoning or even calling votes. Does no hunting on his own. Gives no opinions when asked.

He was busy playing chess last night.

To clarify, he gives responses when asked. Just no answers.

Dave or Nova might take a bit to figure out how we work here. Simon knows.

I got no problems lynching 10 year olds.

but he is also an actual 10 year old.

i didn't notice his lack of vote announcement, though. it seems like he didn't explain the reason for his vote after the fact either.

civ simon in vocaroo was kind of.... he was doing his own thing a lot of the time, voting for tink even though it wasn't popular to do so, later voting for radical fuzz because he asked to be voted for and he justified every vote, even if his justifications were strange. in contrast to his behavior in that game, voting for sig who was already a lynch leader looks odd.

SF now....
Round 1. Simon votes for Long Con, the second highest vote getter
Round 2. Simon votes for MP, outlier
Round 3. Simon votes for top vote getter, nijuu, saving Eloh from lynch, i don't know how but sloonei gets lynched instead despite only having one vote, Sloonei was mafia
Round 4. no vote, civ lynch
round 5, simon votes wilgy, creating a tie between wilgy and himself, no lynch
round 6. simon votes with eloh to lynch wilgy.

so.... i think i see what might be a correlation between simon's alignment and his tendency to vote with bandwagons
partnetrs were: malakim2099, Simon, Sloonei, and Serge

linki: now looking at the simon town game provided earlier by jay......
Day 1: votes boomslang who has 2 votes, and also jay who has 4 votes, i don't exactly get what's going on with this game but it seems like putting people in a position to be in a duel is the same or similar to lynching?
Day 2: he votes for himself to fight jay even though neither is popular
Day 3: he votes for boomslang to fight Golden even though neither is popular
day 4: he votes for himself to fight moving pictures, simon was not a popular choice in this but movingpictures was in a 3 way tie for second place
Day 5: he votes to fight his own mother in gladiatorial samurai combat. not a popular choice but we've all been there.
day 6: simon voted for boomslang and bullzeye, neither main choices
Day 7: simon votes to fight his mom again, against the grain
day 8: simon votes for himself and russ, russ is tied for second place
um..... this game is really long actually, i'm not even half done yet. i'm not going to keep going, because i already see a pattern.

based on these two examples alone there does seem to be some correlation between simon sticking to popular votes and being bad. i think the dueling civ-factions aspect of the game might muddy things a bit here though so i'd appreciate another example of civ simon for comparison's sake.

civ simon in pikmin

day 1: no vote
day 2: votes sig, the top vote getter who has 10 votes, simon himself has 3 here
day 3: votes scotty who is the top vote getter
day 4: no vote
day 5: votes for boomslang the top vote getter
day 6: no votes
day 7: no votes

this particular avenue of analysis is starting to feel like a waste of time

i'd still like an explanation from [mention]Simon[/mention] for what made him decide to vote for sig

[mention]dunya[/mention] i'm interested in hearing your read on dunya at this point in the game, do you have one yet? you're the only person to have played with a mafia dunya so i value your input here

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:06 pm dunya i'm interested in hearing your read on dunya at this point in the game, do you have one yet? you're the only person to have played with a mafia dunya so i value your input here

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[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] i'm interested in hearing your read on dunya at this point in the game, do you have one yet? you're the only person to have played with a mafia dunya so i value your input here

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:06 pm @dunya i'm interested in hearing your read on dunya at this point in the game, do you have one yet? you're the only person to have played with a mafia dunya so i value your input here

Sloonei, MacDougall and JJJ have played with mafia dunya.

I'm actually the most interested in Jay's read specifically, Sloonei and Mac could definitely provide input but Jay's read has the added benefit of helping me read him.

Your best bet into sussing me out on here is looking into my independent game in the burglary I guess. Though that game pace is a pretty lousy comparison to full blown mafia games. If you're very interested, I can email you a PDF of the last scum game I played on RYM. It's 700+ pages long.

that's way too many pages lol. wasn't there a game recently where you replaced in as civ and ended up quickly having to deal with suspicion? Pirates? Or just a game you had to deal with suspicion in general?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:10 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:06 pm dunya i'm interested in hearing your read on dunya at this point in the game, do you have one yet? you're the only person to have played with a mafia dunya so i value your input here

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@JaggedJimmyJay i'm interested in hearing your read on dunya at this point in the game, do you have one yet? you're the only person to have played with a mafia dunya so i value your input here

I lean in the civilian direction. The reason some have cited as a point of suspicion for her (instigating the sig bandwagon) is a point I consider to have the opposite effect. Given the circumstances of Day 2 and the wide spread of votes in the tally before she provided that case, there had to be easier ways to generate a mislynch. If there's no immediate need for a huge fake sig case, then I don't think mafia dunya is as likely to bring it into existence. It's more likely that she did that because she believed in it.

Thank you. Follow up question: Does the general tone of dunya's recent defenses effect your read on her in either direction?

mmmmmmm tell me about speedchuck

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:49 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:15 pm If I judge Simon's posts at face value, his only read is an assertion that BWT is bad (at a time when that player slot had no posts and there was no reason to assume BWT had even visited the website yet). That's not great.

Would a scum team coach Scum Simon on who to vote for BTS?

I agree with Wilgy. It depends upon who's there, and it also depends upon whether Simon is interested in being coached. I tend to be a coach. Many people don't.

it's not so much an issue of coaching I think, for me it's more about the lack of vote post or explanation, if Simon were being directly coached in btsc to vote for sig then he'd have probably also been reminded to post something about it as well.