The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:20 pm Thank you. Follow up question: Does the general tone of dunya's recent defenses effect your read on her in either direction?

I think her defenses specifically against the crap she's gotten re: siglynch recalls her handling of suspicion as George Costanza. The sock was George and is now Alpha (oh hey Kyle), but it's her. The relevant material is focused on pages 2 and 3 of her Seinfeld ISO.

this is also the conclusion that i've come to, the fact that you came to the same one makes me feel validated, I don't see myself voting for dunya today at this point in time.

[mention]Ermac[/mention] I am curious as well. Especially in light of your previous comments.

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:40 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:30 pm @Ermac I am curious as well. Especially in light of your previous comments.

Thé time has not yet come. We believe too that members of the Order here should be far more concerned by those who have fallen silent in this realm.

You've spoken largely in generalities and I think I understand why. Is there a specific quiet player who you think would be better than the others to lynch today?

Ermac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:59 pmOn an unrelated matter, we are led to understand there have been two lynchings so far this game; MacDougall and Sig. Both were lynched by a sizeable cohort and both were members of the Order. Do you think there is any value in determining whether there were any common denominators on both those wagons and taking that a step further, reviewing their lynch choices today?

Hmm....I'll follow you down this road....

Voters for Mac: speedchuck, Kylemii, Made, JaggedJimmyJay, Sloonei, Long Con

Sig voters: dunya, nutella, JaggedJimmyJay, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, Simon

The players in common here are: me, Long Con, and JaggedJimmyJay

Jay is now voting for novaselinever, he's also pushed a lot of players independently. LC hasn't really expressed intentions of who he would vote for since the chaos day, other than a short list for Tony's "build the perfect scumteam" excercise, I am still in the process of deciding where my vote will go.

Idk. To answer your question, I don't generally spend time on deep votal analysis until after the first scum is caught.

I actually still don't know what you were trying to get me to see here but you have brought to attention that both of LC's votes in this game so far were for players who were already getting lynched because of cases made by someone else, for players he'd never mentioned before.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:31 am though admittedly i did have to google the definition of the word candor

Mmmmmlooks like somebody hasn't read all four books of the divergent series by critically-acclaimed young adult novel author veronica roth *nerd voice*

lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:11 amJackofhearts2005 -neutral
Quin good
JaggedJimmyJay good
Kylemii I dont know
speedchuck neutral

what's the difference in this context between "i don't know" and "neutral"

marmot is self voting

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:37 pm

Jack do you believe Simon would make a better lynch than the likes of nova, lc, or eloh?

I don't think the 2 mislynch 1 mislynch thing necessarily contradicts the idea that lapuie might have info on dunya. It actually kinda makes sense. Lapluie started going hard after dunya following the dawn of day 3, despite having been relatively noncommittal beforehand about most players.

reviewing the events with all that in mind, lapulie does fit the behavioral archetype of a player who has info but limited resources to build a case on. also her first post of the day right after the dawn post was "well, I know who I'm voting for" implying a possibility of information or vote force.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:42 pm I don't think the 2 mislynch 1 mislynch thing necessarily contradicts the idea that lapuie might have info on dunya. It actually kinda makes sense. Lapluie started going hard after dunya following the dawn of day 3, despite having been relatively noncommittal beforehand about most players.

reviewing the events with all that in mind, lapulie does fit the behavioral archetype of a player who has info but limited resources to build a case on. also her first post of the day right after the dawn post was "well, I know who I'm voting for" implying a possibility of information or vote force.

1. she was not relatively noncommittal. She was set on a TSP lynch. I ruined that for her, by starting the sig lynch.

2. she said "I know who I'm voting for" because I fucking started the sig lynch and he flipped town. If you think that makes me bad, genuinely if you feel that way, feel free to lynch me Kyle.

But stop putting words in other players mouths though. I hate it when other players answer for someone else. They have fingers, they can type.

It's not about putting words in other players mouths, it's about trying to determine the motivations behind the words.

I haven't decided anything yet. without lapluie's push on you, I think you generally read as what I think is consistent with your civ meta, and your building a case against Sig despite the difficulty of doing so looked good to me as well. I think lapuie's treatment of you is an important data point in determining both of your alignments.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:44 pm"Disgusting."

dunya i don't make decisions recklessly. If there's any data that might influence the direction of a choice I have to make then I'm not gonna just ignore it just cus it contradicts something I already think.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:44 pm"Disgusting."

dunya i don't make decisions recklessly. If there's any data that might influence the direction of a choice I have to make then I'm not gonna just ignore it just cus it contradicts something I already think.

that's not what I found disgusting, but your casing of me based on someone's theory of someone's theory. Your post was trying to frame me negatively, even though you are basing it on loose speculation and not straight from the horse's mouth, and then to top all that off you sign it off with something like "but idk maybe I'm wrong". I don't like that. I feel it was very opportunistic of you.

I agreed with LC's point because I personally looked back through lapluie's posts and saw it as a valid explanation for her jarring change in behavior. It's a realistic possibility and there was plenty of reason for laplulie to use some kind of check on you last night so I think it would be irresponsible to take that consideration off the table.

I'm not trying to frame you as anything, I'm trying to figure you out. If lapluie doesn't have info then there's significantly less to worry about.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:08 pm I mean lapluie, please. I didn't want you to take your vote off me. I wanted you to discuss things and clarify false assumptions people were making. You put me in a bad light, and if you are town like you're claiming, you're going to hurt yourself in the end if you don't clarify you're position and how you reached your conclusions about me. Put your vote back on me. Or better yet, if you return to the game, I'll selfvote. How's that? Do we have a deal?

It's okay, youre right, my decision & logic was irrational & I came on too hard, sorry.
I'm not gonna vote you because of my silly conclusion that youre bad because of the sig lynch, I've thought about it, it just makes us both look bad. Simon is already in the lead for lynch, I think speedchuck is right to think that simon would be a good lynch tonight, his behaviours have been erratic & noncommittal. Sorry I lashed out like that, I understand where you're coming from. So thank you

yeah pretty much definitely not mechanically informed then

I might be inclined to trust jack here, based on the fact that I think he's civ and I don't think he's the type of player to fuck around recklessly.

I would however like to hear explanations of the cases on the two players named after large rodents

did you know marmots are classified as large squirrels? I just found that out

a lot of stuff happening

I've got limited time, I have to catch up and vote in two games before 6:30.

after seeing what's happened recently i feel pretty okay with how the votes are placed. I think the Simon dunya pairing makes sense. Dunya has also used the emote in like every post she's made since returning which I know is circumstantial but it's fucking me up. I've never seen her use it before.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:29 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:26 pm a lot of stuff happening

I've got limited time, I have to catch up and vote in two games before 6:30.

after seeing what's happened recently i feel pretty okay with how the votes are placed. I think the Simon dunya pairing makes sense. Dunya has also used the emote in like every post she's made since returning which I know is circumstantial but it's fucking me up. I've never seen her use it before.

who are you voting sir?

probably dunya, unless there's a significant reason to create a dunya simon tie.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:29 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:26 pm a lot of stuff happening

I've got limited time, I have to catch up and vote in two games before 6:30.

after seeing what's happened recently i feel pretty okay with how the votes are placed. I think the Simon dunya pairing makes sense. Dunya has also used the emote in like every post she's made since returning which I know is circumstantial but it's fucking me up. I've never seen her use it before.

who are you voting sir?

probably dunya, unless there's a significant reason to create a dunya simon tie.

What is the utility of a tie when ties are settled by a role?

the utility is exactly that, the roles that can break ties are in civ hands. it's a slight strategic advantage in case one of the tied players is Liu Kang or Kung Lao. But generally not worth invoking probably.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:45 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:29 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:26 pm a lot of stuff happening

I've got limited time, I have to catch up and vote in two games before 6:30.

after seeing what's happened recently i feel pretty okay with how the votes are placed. I think the Simon dunya pairing makes sense. Dunya has also used the emote in like every post she's made since returning which I know is circumstantial but it's fucking me up. I've never seen her use it before.

who are you voting sir?

probably dunya, unless there's a significant reason to create a dunya simon tie.

What is the utility of a tie when ties are settled by a role?

the utility is exactly that, the roles that can break ties are in civ hands. it's a slight strategic advantage in case one of the tied players is Liu Kang or Kung Lao. But generally not worth invoking probably.

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ME. TELL ME NOW. kthx

I haven't voted yet. Tell me why I should vote for Simon over you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:55 pm So many people treating Simon-as-mafia as a foregone conclusion. If he's mafia then there is definitely bussing happening somewhere. I agree with that much.

i also agree with this

data point: of the 6 dunya voters at this time I only trust 2 of them. I trust 4 of the 7 voters on simon

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:01 pm data point: of the 6 dunya voters at this time I only trust 2 of them. I trust 4 of the 7 voters on simon

Who? Who..who who who...

on dunya's train, i trust you and glorfindel

on simon's train, jack, sig, glorfindel, and jay, though jay moved his vote like right after

sorry dunya

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:30 pm Tough lynch. Should have been a baddie. RIP.

Damn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?

I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.

epingosis wrote:4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row) or self-targeting.

if ermac was right/telling the truth then you're probably safe

did lapulie explain her vote change?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:36 pm I cannot help but notice Simon came in and voted Dunya without a word.

he voted around when he made this post:

Simon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 pm Voted Simon.

jack I think I already know the answer to this but do you advocate a Simon lynch day 4?

I think I'm in agreement on Simon. his previous behavior was hit or miss but showing up and almost getting lynched and not commenting on it is like.... I feel like he'd have had to have had something to say about that.

There's also a really eerie contrast between elohs treatment of Simon here and how she treated him in vocaroo (where they were both civ)

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:34 pm Not that it matters what I think now but if I were around next Day phase, I wouldn’t consider lynching Elohcin. She’s claimed consideration from us on compassionate grounds (I too, wish you a speedy recovery, Eloh) and I cannot believe that she would take advantage of that as Mafia. That (to me) would be totally unconscionable and I’d frankly never play again with anyone that did something as unethical as that. I don’t believe Eloh is that kind of person.

To be clear, I don't believe Eloh would lie about illness to avoid responsibility. I don't think she's the kind of person who'd do that.

I also wouldn't prioritize her over Simon, since a portion of suspicion against her relies on a link between them anyways, and I'd rather wait til she feels better and can respond.

rip rabbit

Jay has claimed or has strongly hinted Kano (why??). Marmot has also counterhinted Kano.

I think Jay is lying, or even if he's not he's proven himself to be a neutral with bad intentions. Jay rolling a role with a "make sure 10 civs including 2 specific civs" is absolutely going to be proactive towards achieving that because of his "play to win" attitude. but I think he was lying, and counting on the real Kano not saying anything because..... admitting that you're a visibly anti-town role is actually ludicrous??but marmot also seemingly did that. fake claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role when people want to lynch you looks worse than claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role to prevent the former thing.

neither Simon nor Jay are on the poll right now which is..... Yeah. Something's obvs-fucky.

I guess the first question is "why do any of this?"

and the second question is "who do we lynch instead?"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

Maybe it's a hoax

it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:58 am Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:57 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

Maybe it's a hoax

it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.

Kano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.

that's why I can't fathom either players' goals here. logically speaking Kano would need to work with the mafia in order to eliminate the right number of civs to win, maybe jay didn't expect Kano to speak up and counter his statement.

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:07 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:03 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:58 am Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

I don't like how Eloh voted for Dunya over Simon & speeechuck, what do you think?

Now that she's feeling better i want to hear her compare and contrast her treatment of her eldest son, between this game and vocaroo.

:/

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:34 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 pm rip rabbit

Jay has claimed or has strongly hinted Kano (why??). Marmot has also counterhinted Kano.

I think Jay is lying, or even if he's not he's proven himself to be a neutral with bad intentions. Jay rolling a role with a "make sure 10 civs including 2 specific civs" is absolutely going to be proactive towards achieving that because of his "play to win" attitude. but I think he was lying, and counting on the real Kano not saying anything because..... admitting that you're a visibly anti-town role is actually ludicrous??but marmot also seemingly did that. fake claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role when people want to lynch you looks worse than claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role to prevent the former thing.

neither Simon nor Jay are on the poll right now which is..... Yeah. Something's obvs-fucky.

Kyle, what made you think Jay was lying here?

your claim combined with the opportunistic nature of his timing, and the fact that he's not on the poll.

are you taking back your claim?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:40 amI didn't want Jay to have all the fun. :3

................................

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] [mention]Glorfindel[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:54 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:48 am Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

epi wrote:Kano
Kano wins if he survives, Sonya Blade and Jax are dead, and at least ten other civilians are dead.

just a heads up to Kano, if Jack is correct in his math and we don't lynch a mafia in the next couple days you will be locked out of victory.

If the game ends with the full mafia alive there will only have been 9 civvie deaths. You need a mafia lynch as much as we do.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:10 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:54 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:48 am Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

[mention]nutella[/mention] what are your thoughts on today's lynch?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:38 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:25 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:10 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:54 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:48 am Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

You just played a burglary with him. I would like your answer to this question.

Quin, are you asking for me to respond to my own rhetorical question?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:56 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:38 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:25 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:10 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:54 am

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

You just played a burglary with him. I would like your answer to this question.

Quin, are you asking for me to respond to my own rhetorical question?

Yes.

The answers are non-civ distract us motivation, and no, there's no civ reason. These were things I've already said.

I also don't think of it as a newbie mistake like glorfindel said, I think it would be pretty easy for marmot to jump-react to his role being claimed before thinking about the implications.

Quin who are you looking at for today's lynch?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:09 amI was trying to draw your attention to Marmot immediately claiming Jester in the burglary today. He didn't do that for civilian reasons. He said he'd have done it regardless of whether he rolled Jester or not. I can follow your train of thought if the underlined if what you're concerned about.

though i haven't even read outside of this quote pyramid so what do i know

the situations are different. In jester games there's no harm in claiming jester because the only person who doesn't mind being seen as possibly being the jester is the actual jester.

marmot countered strongly-suspectsd-to-be-a-mafia-member Jay's strongly implied claim of being Kano by implying he owned that role. the civilian utility for a fake indie counterclaim would be fairly limited, and would really just be a more risky way to get across the point of "doubt it"

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:12 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:08 am Quin who are you looking at for today's lynch?

I keep on feeling like I'm not getting the full story from lapluie. I could go there. Players unlikely to get my vote today are Eloh and Jack.

What are your thoughts on Wilgy and Tony?

Also could you expand on Eloh? thank you

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am @TonyStarkPrime

Why are you voting Nutella? Why should we not lynch you?

@Quin @Kylemii
@nutella
@Glorfindel

Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?

I don't believe Jay is Ermac.