The Syndicate

hey yeah why did you vote LC?

Nutella, can you tell me more about past Epi LC clashes and how they've resolved?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.
wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing
When I asked him how his post was a scum tell, he said "I don't know" instead of "It's not a scumtell, and cannot be because I'm a Civ."

Link?

Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?
Everyone's playing in Mountain Time.

this...... this..... how.... how dare you??? who do you think you are..... you......

you monster

(so actually no one is on mountain time)

I'm happy we're no longer focusing on one candidate anymore but I don't understand why LC has 3 votes.

tie strategy nearly caught 2/3 of the scumteam in pirate game and only failed because we didn't follow through with it/followed through on the wrong people

it's different here though because about half the thread or more won't even be awake during EoD

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:13 pm tie strategy nearly caught 2/3 of the scumteam in pirate game and only failed because we didn't follow through with it/followed through on the wrong people
You out to nearly catch some scum?

disrespectful.

Who is bad, Kyle? Lots of content today.

honestly today's content has given me more good vibes than bad ones

Epignosis still looks bad to me, but his only contributions today have been defending against LC. I was hoping to talk them into ignoring each other for a few hours so we could get some isolated reads from his behaviors but he logged off.

nutella's confidence that LC v Epi 'wasn't getting us anywhere' still bugs me, and her expressing familiarity with such situations without providing much more insight into the topic seems problematic

Sloonei and LC I'm reading town, I also feel pretty okay about Quin

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:13 pm tie strategy nearly caught 2/3 of the scumteam in pirate game and only failed because we didn't follow through with it/followed through on the wrong people
You out to nearly catch some scum?

Who is bad, Kyle? Lots of content today.
But seriously. The only people the town caught with this strategy in Pirates were Wilgy and Quin, who were both town. Wilgy was supatown and he died in the pursuit of ties.

Cut it out.

Actually 100% false. We got MP lynched because of it and we should have had Speedchuck (who led the lynch on Wilgy) too if every single active player hadn't been killed in the span of 3 nights.

Wilgy died because Speedchuck tried to bus a civ to save his teammate and Quin died because of regular vote analysis.

Nutella talk to me about Jack, why jack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 pmHow do you figure ties helped you catch MP? Or almost helped catch Speedchuck?

Already explained. MP's weird behavior under pressureas well as the fire drill cemented his lynch day 2.

Speedchuck drove the bus into Dr Wilgy potentially saving MP, had MP switched his vote to Wilgy it would have gauranteed his safety.

Jack, why is this important to you?

Jack.

Do you think the lynch polls shouldn't be used as evidence to determine players alignments in proximity to the lynchee after the fact?

I'm like 90% sure our definitions of tie meta are 2 completely different things

The point of vote analysis is you look for oddities and then examine the context. You look for the busses, you look for the switches of opportunity, you look for the saves. The mistakes you're describing happen in regular lynches too. That's mafia.

Jack this is really exhausting and ultimately pointless, right, are you going somewhere important with this? Or do you want to talk about the situation we're in right now, in this game?

I don't understand how today's discussion came to a point where our 2 lynch options are LC and Nutella, I haven't seen a case made against LC

Spoiler: show

I also don't fully understand the case against Nutella either, is there more to it than I've seen?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:39 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:35 pm I also don't fully understand the case against Nutella either, is there more to it than I've seen?
nutella and Epi are potential teammates, since she agreed with my thoughts on Epi when I hadn't made my thoughts clear yet. I'm not sold on it.

Spoiler: show
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:14 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)
Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?
The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason
What is Quin's reasoning?

Here is everything Quin has said about me:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:36 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is
what does this sentence mean?

do you want other people to tell you why you are going to vote for mr gnosis?
i'd like that very much thank you

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.
Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

I didn't challenge Sloonei's response to my question, so I can understand anyone assuming that my thoughts were the same as his.
I think Jack made the same assumption.

I suspect her for other things.

What other things?

and she never really elucidated on that did she

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:52 pm I will say that I don't get why nutella spent so much time putting together a directory of time zones instead of discussing the upcoming lynch.

I asked for it, she actually came back with it surprisingly fast

We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:49 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 am We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans
What if doing something now is a shenanigan in itself?

I guess technically it would be... shenanigans are exponentially more dangerous the faster they happen

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:57 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:49 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 am We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans
What if doing something now is a shenanigan in itself?
I guess technically it would be... shenanigans are exponentially more dangerous the faster they happen
Dangerous for whom?

Pretty much everyone.

You know that feeling you get when you're with some friends and you're deciding what resturaunt to go to and then 5 people out of 19 of your buds say Applebee's and you're just like... 'Wow I mean I guess they have good cocktails?' so then you ask your other friends if they have any better ideas and then 3 of them casually recommend a cafeteria they know that's inside of a local hospital and it's out of the way but their tuna sandwich is kind of okay?

That's kind of where I'm at rn

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am Let's at least make this a tie k

Actually nevermind Nutella is bad

[mention]nutella[/mention] there are enough people here to swing almost anything else, why try to make a tie between yourself and LC? You haven't expressed any suspicion towards him stronger than "he might be bad"

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:35 am nvm. Might have been Kyle.

me

i can't allow Nutella the security of a potential tie, not with someone I think is civ

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:35 am nvm. Might have been Kyle.
me

i can't allow Nutella the security of a potential tie, not with someone I think is civ
why do you think LC is civ and why do you think I'm not?

most recently because you've come into the thread to save yourself by creating a tie against someone you don't strongly suspect while we were in the middle of discussing alternate options

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:57 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am You know that feeling you get when you're with some friends and you're deciding what resturaunt to go to and then 5 people out of 19 of your buds say Applebee's and you're just like... 'Wow I mean I guess they have good cocktails?' so then you ask your other friends if they have any better ideas and then 3 of them casually recommend a cafeteria they know that's inside of a local hospital and it's out of the way but their tuna sandwich is kind of okay?

That's kind of where I'm at rn
Who *would* you want to lynch then (realizing a switch is not gonna happen at this point but I want you to commit to something)

Epignosis would have been a strong option

I switched my vote. I regret it already, but if Nutella is telling the truth then...... ugh

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:14 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.
Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.
Why?

J, Q, K, and Y all have really good point values

i kinda missed this end of day anxiety.... i think

i also kinda hate it

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:29 am I like your bank stories, Daisy.

Thanks Jack! Now I don't feel quite so annoying, lol.

+1

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:49 pm (so actually no one is on mountain time)
Dang, you caught me in a lie,

next we lynch marmot

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:37 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:36 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:49 pm (so actually no one is on mountain time)
Dang, you caught me in a lie,

next we lynch marmot
I'll be careful to not list myself in the poll options.

ultimate scumtactic

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am Shit... am i even allowed to swear...

BANNED

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am Oh fuck im so sorry... i totally forgot about this game for a moment... so not used to using another site

this is a family website

[mention]Mesk514[/mention] I'm glad you showed up again, please catch up when you have the time, I'm interested in what insights you might bring into to this wild bull-fuckery

This isn't actually a family website.... I don't think. I was just messing with you.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 amHEY, THESE TWO FUCKERS ARE GOOOOD ARRRRRRRRR I NO VOTE THEM, ARRR

Yes. Good.

4- Kyle seems to be a little bit of a shit poster (sorry my dear friend) which from my 1 hosting game experience, I would expect tons of effort if they were scum... given i gave him a scum card and he tried his hardest with no shit post tier plays! so Kyle, let's be good friends and whip up a mountain of a storm together eh?

I don't really know what this means but I want to point out that aside from being mafia I was also uncomfortable and angry like 90% of the time I was in that game

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 am Oh and before I forget, what is info dumping?

Info dumping includes roleclaiming or hinting or generally revealing information found with any sort of role ability in the thread

disallowing infodumping forces people to build cases and play the game it's meant to be played, it's generally more interesting, plus it's basically required for a role madness game to not allow info dumping

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:59 am imo townies have nothing to hide so they just say whatever... scum are more calculated... so given you are seemingly carefree, i wanna be your bestie...TOWNBLOCK? WUUTTTTT?

step #1 to being my bestie is getting up to date with the thread and giving cold reads on all the living players

At the very least I'd like to hear your thoughts on the events of day 1

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:04 am I switched my vote. I regret it already, but if Nutella is telling the truth then...... ugh
This is an action that needs an explanation. What did you see that prompted this last second change, kyle?

whether or not Nutella was telling the truth prompted the change

when Nutella mentioned ties I thought she was saying that and making a one vote difference in the hopes that someone else would vote for LC and save her

it was something she posted later that made me realize Everest might be involved and primal lizard brain Kyle did the math and realized if I voted for LC then Nutella would only die if she was lying.

So i pulled the trigger and immediately regretted it because I thought Long Con was a civ at the time and also a powerful driver of content. I'm happy with the result of neither of them dying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:54 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 am We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans
Dis post pinged me, you know what I'm sayin'?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:58 pm I don't know what you're saying; I don't feel the ping. Take me there.
Well, let's look at the post. What does it accomplish?

1. Reinforces the current lynch trains. If 0-1 of them are scum, then this is a decent move for scum. Having more than one scum in there is not likely. (Oh no, did I just assume their alignment? Don't even start with that.) Even with one scum in the three, it's easy to move away from one of them to make it between 2 people. Voters like having 2 options. Ask American politics.

2. Puts on a show of wanting an organized lynch, and of wanting participation, without actually adding anything to the reasons to lynch these three other than "they got votes on them already"

3. Vote rush shenanigans are chaotic, which might be good for scum . . . unless scum is composed of inactives or people not on that shortlist. In which case, a stable lynch is helpful. Townies should care more about who seems scummy rather than sticking to guns for the last hour and a half.
As for whether kyle agrees with looking at stable lynches, ask him for his opinion of Pirate Mafia D1.
Actually, I think someone has already done that.

Thus my ping

Tied lynches are only useful if you think both lynchees have a strong or at least good potential of being bad, that's the entire point. I am 100% for organization.

I didn't like the case on LC and I felt bad about Nutella but I didn't see her as the best lynch candidate

The point of that post was to remind people that if they wanted something different than what was on the table it's better to do it an hour and a half before the lynch than to wait any longer and risk not having the votes to move things. Which is also exactly what happened?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:03 pm Point is, you thought after the fact that Pirate mafia had a great D1.

And it wasn't organized at the end at all. You're the one mentioning ties, not me. :P

Granted, I think I did read your post wrong for that second point, so I'll lower it to a half-ping.

I never said pirate d1 went great, there were obviously better ways it could have gone.

But you can't deny that it wasn't informative.

Can't deny that it was informative

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:13 pm JaggedJimmyJay has replace MovingPictures07

Forgot to say, welcome JJJ! thank you for replace MP

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