The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:27 am Gonna disagree with what I’m percieving as the general consensus on Sloonei here. Someone convince me I’m wrong.

what is the general consensus on sloonei and why do you disagree with it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:45 amReads on Quin, Jack, and I. Go.

Quin is being a carefree goofball, but he's also putting forth some good effort. I'm inclined to think he's good.

Jack...... On the surface seems pretty okay... I think. His post where he responded to my question about my meta pinged me a little bit because of how he changed his mind about whether I seemed genuine or not because i said "fuck" a few times and also "I'm rude now". It seemed a little bit not genuine change to me. Though, a baddie Jack trying to push suspicion on me in the middle of a discussion about how hard I am to mis-lynch due to how genuine I always seem would be kind of ballsy.

Jay.... good I think. You're doing the things that a good Jay does. My apprehensiveness of you in general from Bravo hasn't exactly worn off yet but my gut says goodish.

Jay, what are your thoughts on Quin and Jack?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:13 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:06 am *immediately goes meta-spelunking to see if civilian Kyle is an ellipsis abuser*

Yep. Ellipses everywhere in Phenon 2 and Mountain Mafia. Okay.

epignosis isn't playing in this game so I can use whatever punctuation i want B)

what's he gonna do? modkill me for using too many run-on sentences?

he hasn't posted much, and what he has posted hasn't been suspicion based. what's he like normally? @whoeverknowsdavesmeta

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:57 am Update: as it seems Kyle has no idea what I am up to, and speedchuck is also not picking up the vibs I am attempting to spread around the thread I would like to update my people who seen sus list:

Mac, Dave, Nutella, Marmot.

They all make me feel icky.

Also, roll outing and hinting is rude, dumb, mean and other stuff, but I do still feel as if I have a personal connection with those players, both my fellow civs and those who try to sow evil into our syndicate.

alright so then what was that all about? what was the point of any of it

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:47 am Kyle thoughts on Dave?

I gave some thoughts on Dave last night, Dave hasn't posted much game relevant content, his only posts have been about the day 0 post and about a question I asked and @ tagged him in, about mafia history. I asked if anyone who knows Dave can say if this is unusual behavior for him but i don't think anyone's responded yet.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:46 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:57 am Update: as it seems Kyle has no idea what I am up to, and speedchuck is also not picking up the vibs I am attempting to spread around the thread I would like to update my people who seen sus list:

Mac, Dave, Nutella, Marmot.

They all make me feel icky.

Also, roll outing and hinting is rude, dumb, mean and other stuff, but I do still feel as if I have a personal connection with those players, both my fellow civs and those who try to sow evil into our syndicate.

You reference the earlier thing, but then non-sequiter into reads. I'm ignoring whatever you're trying to do or say with connections and stuff. I recommend Kyle do the same. It makes no sense.

I'm pretty much on the same boat, the made-sloonei thing seems like a non-starter, or at the very least not as immediately promising as I hoped. I don't really know what Made was trying to accomplish. For now, he and Sloonei have been put on the appropriate watchlists and I am moving on

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:33 pm *Vote Jimmy*

Most likely to switch to Made or Kyle.

Not voting Quin, Sloonei, Speed, Nutella.

I would like an explanation for several parts of this.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:33 pm *Vote Jimmy*

Most likely to switch to Made or Kyle.

Not voting Quin, Sloonei, Speed, Nutella.

I would like an explanation for several parts of this.

Specifically:
why likely to switch to me? or made?

what sticks out to you about speed that would make you not vote for him? same question about nutella?

Also why vote for Jimmy and then mention that it's not likely to be permanent within the exact same post?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:22 pmCause you don't shine.

I think this is probably a comment about how you perceive my level of genuine-ness? Is there anything beyond what you said about me before that makes you think this?

Cause Made's content looks fake. (These players know what I'm talking about.....or not. That was never a hint. Here are some unsubstantiated reads.)

I do get where you're coming from with this

Jack wrote:I see what I expect to see from both as good guys.

could you plz be more specific about what you see that makes you feel that way? I assumed if you declare that you're not going to vote for someone then you'd probably have a reason to think they're good, I want to know what the reason is

Jack wrote:Reasons.

the usual reason for temporary voting a player is to put them under pressure and feel them out. letting a player know ahead of time that your vote isn't permanent relieves that tension, divorcing the vote itself from it's original function

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:29 pm Oh I understand the confusion.

You're reading that as "I will most likely switch to Kyle or Made instead of leaving my vote on Jimmy."

It should be read as "If I switch my vote, I will most likely switch to Kyle or Made."

ohhh okay

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:31 pmWe’re only on page 3 but this post seems to reinforce my concerns about Kyle. He’d made no attempt to engage with anyone until this point (perhaps deliberately) and now this exchange appears clumsy and awkward. It leaves me wondering if this may just be a ‘Kyle thing’ and not something that may perhaps be alignment indicative.

clumsy and awkward is an apt description of just who i am as a person actually

I overlooked that question before when I read through the first time, when I reread things to try to figure out Made's deal, I felt bad that I'd left the asker hanging so i responded.

I don't really tend to be the type of player who does a lot of early prodding if other players are already doing it. On day 0's and 1's I prefer to watch and analyze the proddings that are already happening until something catches my attention.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:39 pm Either I or someone else should go through the relevant people's posts to figure out if this is player salad or not.

When I think of "player salad" it's more of a broad web of players in a suspicion pool (other than one derived by POE). It looks something like this:

"Today I would be willing to vote for X or Y or Z or maybe... W."

In that regard Made's question salad doesn't look functionally like player salad to me. It does look like question salad though. Made should talk about what interest he has in those questions.

I'll answer mine:

Gun-to-head I would call Mac a civilian. We mind-melded a bit early in Day 0 in a way that I doubt was intentional copy-catting from him.

I was just using it as a broad term. A bunch of names with the obvious connection.

As I said, I'm lazy. I'd like Made to just explain why he wanted person x to talk about person y.

I am also curious about this, did you choose those player pairs for a reason or was it just random @[mention]Made[/mention]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:18 pm @Kylemii

RE: Speedchuck

Sorry I don't have a good answer. Soul read. Not a ping.

RE:Nutella

I like these posts a lot.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 12#p393812

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p393614

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 13#p393613

Getting right to work and finding good guys. That's what I expect from good Nutella.

thank you for the response

btw how large is the sample size for glorfindel's "I am town" meta

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:10 pm I'm surprised Made, JJJ, quin ect took the first page so serious it's odd seeing how it is day 0 first page.

yeah, things got real pretty quick

sig wrote:Kyle Glorfs town game is very obvious just like his mafia game, in fact last game I played with him where he was mafia I called him out day 1 (maybe 2) without information just meta based.

huh. cool. it's strange to see so many people so easily agree with something so quickly, but it's also kind of refreshing. It's nice to have something be easy for once.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:12 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:07 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:47 am KK question time:
JJJ thoughts on Mac?
Slooni thoughts in Nutella?
Mac thoughts on Nutella?
Kyle thoughts on Dave?
Glorf thought on me?
Nutella thoughts on speedchuck?
Speedchuck thoughts Wilgy?
Wilgy current slooni thoughts?

green ones are answered
red ones are not
please answer these soon
and thanks a lot

listed updated (my bad b <3)

sorry if you already explained this but what does this dataset mean to you?

wait sorry. I thought for a second that whether or not those players responded to your questions at all was what you were testing for. the red colors are just people who you still need responses from, I get it

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:08 pmFor the sake of posterity the bolded comment above is misleading, Jay. I DID answer the question you posed in that game. My answer stood regardless of my alignment and WILL be the position to which I will return for any game I play here at this site in future. It just so happened that you were right that game. You could just as easily have been wrong. Having said that, I enjoyed that game immensely and am convinced that you can never truly appreciate just how much I agonised over not being able to say those three words (I am Town) to you.

you should write scripts for romantic dramas

I agree with a lot of the points Sloonei made about Jack, the evolution of his read on me felt non organic and it seems like several of his posts may signify a superficial approach towards scum hunting.

I'm interested in seeing his response.

I also get the suspicion on LC. I usually expect LC to have more thoughts on things. A lot of stuff has happened that should be read-worthy other than Made's salad questions.

his post ummmm.... this one, under the cut: reads to me as fairly genuine. I can see how LC might be burnt out by early game mafia stuff after mountain mafia, and maybe also Chicka Chicka? I can also see why it would make him feel less engaged in this game.

mafia-fatigue is also not an exclusive emotion for any particular faction, but I do believe LC that it is at least in part to blame for his apparent lack of zest for this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:58 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:33 am mafia-fatigue is also not an exclusive emotion for any particular faction, but I do believe LC that it is at least in part to blame for his apparent lack of zest for this game.

A very easy and non controversial comment here. Reads like a mafia player making a future credit civ read on a player they know isn't bad.

hey, excuse me sir?

not a single part of what I said in that post or the one before it was about anything close to reading LC as civ. I believe LC when he says he is experiencing mafia fatigue, I don't think that it's alignment indicative, and I want to see more content from him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 am I just had a quick read of kyle's iso and I am dropping him to a suspect. I would support his lynch. He had utilised a lot of tactics I employ when mafia. Focus on mechanisms. Lots of fluffiness. Lots of civ reads and de-escalation and very little active accusations have come from him.

Who is bad Kyle?

hey please tell me who my 'lots of civ reads' are because I can only think of 2 people that I read as civ right now, 3 if you count Glorfindel.

I don't go out of my way to make a lot of unique accusations unless I notice something other people aren't focusing on, like I did with Sloonei.

I don't think I've really de-escalated anything... I gave a possible reason for why LC might be acting the way he is because I wanted to make sure the full story was being considered.

Where are you even getting most of this? What are my fluff posts?

MacDougall please tell me what your current reads are on Jack, Made, LC, and Sloonei

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 am MacDougall please tell me what your current reads are on Jack, Made, LC, and Sloonei

What is this trend where players feel like they can just haphazardly make demands of other players like this? I do not like it. It is a very easy way to move the dialogue away from the topic at hand and you have given me no reason for why you chose those four names. Furthermore I have a very recent read on jack and LC so it really feels like you are just trying to change the conversation.

we don't have to change the subject but I still want an answer from you

knowing your current reads on those four players helps me assess your motivation

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:50 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 am I just had a quick read of kyle's iso and I am dropping him to a suspect. I would support his lynch. He had utilised a lot of tactics I employ when mafia. Focus on mechanisms. Lots of fluffiness. Lots of civ reads and de-escalation and very little active accusations have come from him.

Who is bad Kyle?

hey please tell me who my 'lots of civ reads' are because I can only think of 2 people that I read as civ right now, 3 if you count Glorfindel.

I don't go out of my way to make a lot of unique accusations unless I notice something other people aren't focusing on, like I did with Sloonei.

I don't think I've really de-escalated anything... I gave a possible reason for why LC might be acting the way he is because I wanted to make sure the full story was being considered.

Where are you even getting most of this? What are my fluff posts?

All of your posts can be described as how I put them. Perhaps you are as you say someone who doesn't make mafia reads lightly but I am reading it how I am.

Please excuse me. Lots of should be replaced with some. The point is being ignored in your reply though. As to be expected from a mafia player.

look dude... I really don't trust that your read on me is coming from a sincere place. you're putting the cart before the horse and assuming I'm mafia before even asking me anything or really investigating at all.

is this how you usually operate?

Quin, Jay have you played with Mac before?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 am MacDougall please tell me what your current reads are on Jack, Made, LC, and Sloonei

What is this trend where players feel like they can just haphazardly make demands of other players like this? I do not like it. It is a very easy way to move the dialogue away from the topic at hand and you have given me no reason for why you chose those four names. Furthermore I have a very recent read on jack and LC so it really feels like you are just trying to change the conversation.

we don't have to change the subject but I still want an answer from you

knowing your current reads on those four players helps me assess your motivation

I question you are genuinely trying to solve anything given you have asked me to provide reads on two players that if anyone was genuinely paying attention would know my position on. Given that I question your motives for asking I will refrain. I hope you understand.

saying you suspect someone doesn't magically relieve you of the responsibility of putting forward effort as a civ.

I don't get the impression that you're actually trying to figure out my alignment. it seems like you've made a decision about me that you're now trying to brute-force into reality.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:05 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:00 am Quin, Jay have you played with Mac before?

Three times, maybe. My impression from those games is that he doesn't care about his process as long as he catches scum. I've never seen a scum game he's lived more than one day in, though I'd guess it's the same thing.

well i guess that sounds pretty accurate at least

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:04 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:00 am Quin, Jay have you played with Mac before?

I have probably played 50-60 games with MacDougall. We both got our start in Mafia on RYM, along with Sloonei and dunya.

okay then I guess you'd be the one to ask... would you consider Mac's treatment of his suspicion of me to be pretty typical Mac meta?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:13 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 am MacDougall please tell me what your current reads are on Jack, Made, LC, and Sloonei

What is this trend where players feel like they can just haphazardly make demands of other players like this? I do not like it. It is a very easy way to move the dialogue away from the topic at hand and you have given me no reason for why you chose those four names. Furthermore I have a very recent read on jack and LC so it really feels like you are just trying to change the conversation.

we don't have to change the subject but I still want an answer from you

knowing your current reads on those four players helps me assess your motivation

I question you are genuinely trying to solve anything given you have asked me to provide reads on two players that if anyone was genuinely paying attention would know my position on. Given that I question your motives for asking I will refrain. I hope you understand.

saying you suspect someone doesn't magically relieve you of the responsibility of putting forward effort as a civ.

I don't get the impression that you're actually trying to figure out my alignment. it seems like you've made a decision about me that you're now trying to brute-force into reality.

You are somewhat right. I have read you and determined you as adequately suspect to be pressured.

And I don't see you asking me to give you gth reads on four seemingly random players as my civ responsibility. In fact I see doing so as unresponsive given my opinion of you.

I am completely right. :/

pressuring doesn't mean "I'm going to decide this player I spent 20 minutes thinking about is definitely mafia so I'm going to call them mafia and then ignore all their questions and also not really even ask them any questions"

how do you hope to feel me out in this way? reading and analyzing other players motivations requires an open dialogue, not a battle-axe.

I want to be clear, I don't necessarily think you're even bad, Mac. I believe Jay and Quin's testimony that this is just how you are usually but I also dont think that going about suspicion like that is particularly pro-town.

but maybe I only view things the way i do because I have a generally careful and calm-minded playstyle. your playstyle seems wildly different from mine and if it works for you then who am I to tell you it's not effective?

I asked for your reads on those 4 players because my knee jerk reaction to seeing a player go about about pursuing a sudden and new suspicion in an overly strong way is to figure out asap who they might be deflecting attention away from someone, the four players I thought of who might be in need of deflection were the four I mentioned, Jake, Made, Sloonei, and LC.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:36 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:47 am @Quin and @Kylemii: I’m still struggling to find where both of you sit in my ‘world of Elven reads’ this game (this is by no means an accusation so there is no need to be defensive). I’m wondering though if you guys would care to (briefly) help me by explaining why I (and everyone else for that matter) should be reading you as Towny?

@Quin: Thanks for your reply, Buddy. I was expecting something a wee bit more inspiring but I’ll take it

@Kylemii: If you’d care to indulge me with an answer, I’d appreciate it. I’d like to invite you into my Town pile and am hoping you can dispel my lingering doubts.

sorry I got pulled off into talking with Mac, and also it's 5am and I should probably be asleep by now, at this point I should probably just stay up since I need to be awake in 2 hours anyways lol.

I guess I would say right now... my willingness to push angles that other people aren't i.e. with the Sloonei thing.

Honestly the strongest indication of my civvie-ness is that my mafia playstyle is prohibitively distinctive. My natural anxiety takes the wheel more than I'd like it to and my activity plummets. It's not a weakness I've learned to overcome yet but when I do, I'll probably be unstoppable.

being town read on day 1 is not really even a priority for me though. I almost prefer not to be. lots of people town reading me early and the mafia responding with murder has been my leading cause of death lately. If I knew a way to float in people's yellows and lighter greens for the first couple days of mafia without sacrificing my ability to be an effective civ player I would 100% use it.

I guess that doesn't really help you with your specific conundrum. if you ask me the same question in 2 days I'll probably have a more specific answer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am Kyle why haven't you voted for anyone yet? You know you can change your vote yeah?

yeah i know, my first mafia forum didn't have change-able votes so I grew into a habit of spending as much time as possible deliberating on my decision and voting last minute with the most informed decision possible given all of the data available. I never really grew out of the habit.

sometimes i'll vote early if I'm really positive about something or i need to make a statement, but most of the time my votes happen within a few hours of the deadline.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:19 amThank you, Kyle. Let’s make that a date then, shall we?

lol sure. day 3?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 am I just had a quick read of kyle's iso and I am dropping him to a suspect. I would support his lynch. He had utilised a lot of tactics I employ when mafia. Focus on mechanisms. Lots of fluffiness. Lots of civ reads and de-escalation and very little active accusations have come from him.

Who is bad Kyle?

I feel most of this is normal for town Kyle but I would still support a Kyle lynch today.

I don't see the shine. The cursing (multiple times) implies stress which implies bad alignment. Maybe that's a reach. Don't care. There's no shine.

hey what are you talking about? does cursing on the internet seem like a real stress response. is this seriously your case? jack listen to literally any vocaroo post and you'll hear me swearing casually.

i know the fact that it's a vote for me in general probably poisons the waters a little but I continue to not like Jack's reasons for voting for me. He keeps coming back to the shiny thing, and citing tone, but also points out things that are regular parts of my townplay.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:22 pmKyle I've talked about my tone read and Mac, who I believe to be good and have good instincts, is voting there. Mac's actual case is unconvincing but I've seen Mac make unconvincing cases and been right on the money.

and things like this don't make sense to me. Another player making a case that I found unconvincing on my suspect wouldn't bolster my confidence in that read. I get the impression you don't actually believe in your read on me that much.

i also don't think i even know what "shiny" means anymore

also.... swearing isn't a stress response for me? I'm 26 and have no real life responsibilities. swearing is a sign of "I feel comfortable speaking freely around people I view as peers", or sometimes that previous thing combined with bewilderment

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:33 pmReads like he's already made up his mind on the direction he'd like to see the thread move in and is just trying to push it there.

for any other players i'd see that as a red flag, but is it alignment indicative for MacDougall? he did the same thing with me, and it sounds like this might just be part of his meta

in fact i did see it as a red flag, until you and Jay reassured me that this was just part of his meta, is it a part of mac meta in all alignments?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:47 pm in fact i did see it as a red flag, until you and Jay reassured me that this was just part of his meta, is it a part of mac meta in all alignments?

it was actually quin, not sloonei

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:33 pmReads like he's already made up his mind on the direction he'd like to see the thread move in and is just trying to push it there.

for any other players i'd see that as a red flag, but is it alignment indicative for MacDougall? he did the same thing with me, and it sounds like this might just be part of his meta

How many games have you played with Mac?

Why are you the one trying to defend him with his supposed meta? This bothers me.

I am not defending him, it's just a question. Mac gave me bad vibes last night with the way he came at me, the reason I felt okay about him was because I was told that his behavior was not out of the ordinary for him. I want to understand Mac's meta so I know how to treat him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:50 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:47 pm in fact i did see it as a red flag, until you and Jay reassured me that this was just part of his meta, is it a part of mac meta in all alignments?

To go further, the guy who reassured you with that is voting for Mac. And you're using that argument with no personal basis, just based on what one of the guys voting for Mac said. Why are you keen to defend Mac using someone else's argument that you can't verify?

Am I the only one seeing this?

I have no reason to believe that quin or Jay would lie about Mac's meta, and actually the fact that they both verified it says to me that it's probably a true fact about him.

also, again I am not defending him. I am asking questions to better understand his meta so I can decide things on him for myself with greater context.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:47 pm in fact i did see it as a red flag, until you and Jay reassured me that this was just part of his meta, is it a part of mac meta in all alignments?

Mac is highly aggressive and abrasive as a civilian and as a mafioso. I don't like to judge Mac by meta, because he is one of the better manipulators of that method I know (both as a hunter-by-meta and a deceiver-by-meta). His content is best assessed at face value.

thank you

could you elucidate for me on your current face value assessment of mac

linki: oh, one sec

I decided to iso Mac after reading Jay's thing, since most of my personal impression of Mac came directly from his interactions with me.

Some things stuck out to me. In general there is a strong feeling of mudfling in many of his posts, a lot of which he doesn't follow up on. he seems like he's generally on a hunt to find posts that look bad rather than players who seem bad at least for about the first 1/3 of his posts.

he was really cage-y about answering my 'getting-to-know-you' questions, but when he did he answered it with an enormous list detailing his experiences with every single player in the game. it stuck out to me at the time because like..... well.... low-key any time I ask those sort of getting to know you things there's a part of me that makes note of players who are exceptionally eager or exceptionally non-eager to respond to it. mafia will sometimes subconsciously jump through hoops to vibe as acquiescent/cooperative and "who are you?" questions are an easy way to do that for a mafiosa without actually doing or saying anything. Mac's response to my question was simultaneously both of the things that I look out for as well as neither of them.

In his interactions with me, I still think there's a possibility that his refusal to respond to my questions during that time was performative. The idea that you shouldn't respond to a player you suspect's questions about who you suspect is so backwards to me, and the fact that he accused me of pulling a no u on him when he was acting the way he was.... Idk. Mac and I go about the game so differently. He seems to scum hunt by assuming guilty first and then going on the aggressive about it, while I treat everyone with a cautious neutral glove until I have a significant reason to believe they're one thing or another.

If there's something I see as being a point towards him being civ, it's his list of things he thought I was doing that are things that are, according to him, mafia tells for his playstyle...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 ama lot of tactics I employ when mafia. Focus on mechanisms. Lots of fluffiness. Lots of civ reads and de-escalation and very little active accusations have come from him.

assuming this is a true description of Mac's scum meta, this basically reads as a list of things that are the exact opposite of what this Mac is doing and saying. this Mac is to the point, has only 2 civ reads, and has done nothing but escalate things, and he has been running around smacking everyone with his battle axe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:50 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:42 pm If there's something I see as being a point towards him being civ, it's his list of things he thought I was doing that are things that are, according to him, mafia tells for his playstyle...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 ama lot of tactics I employ when mafia. Focus on mechanisms. Lots of fluffiness. Lots of civ reads and de-escalation and very little active accusations have come from him.

assuming this is a true description of Mac's scum meta, this basically reads as a list of things that are the exact opposite of what this Mac is doing and saying. this Mac is to the point, has only 2 civ reads, and has done nothing but escalate things, and he has been running around smacking everyone with his battle axe.

Mac's game is more diverse than that. I can believe that he has employed some of those tactics before as a mafia player, but those don't exclusively describe his mafia play. He wasn't like that in the 2015 Game of Champions or Talking Heads.

thank you, i was going to ask. I appreciate you being my trip-sitter into the deep streets of MacDougall's mind city

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:18 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:15 am jaggedjimmyjay how is it you have a self imposed post restriction yet you're still 2nd place in terms of post count?

Is there a way to see this without isoing everybody and reading their post counts?

on the page where you click on the game title to get into the game there's a thing that right now says "posts: 1032" if you click the number then you can see everyone's post totals

Out of the players who have more than one vote rn, I see myself most likely voting for MacDougall. I've seen more reasons to read Sloonei and Made as civ than I have for him, and I agree with Jay's thoughts on why some of his behavior feels bad.

I think Sloonei responded to the Made stuff against him and my questions adequately, and the fact that Made backed off of him makes me think I was wrong about what the implications of his hunt were. My suspicion of him was largely based on my theory that Made knew something extra somehow, without that Sloonei looks pretty okay.

Made has done some weird shit tbh but I think overall he seems genuine and i have trouble thinking of mafia motives for the way he went about things there.

I also.... really don't want to die.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:22 pm Threw a vote on Kyle. Not sure I'll be here to discuss before EoD because I'm dealing with like three groups of people coming in to do house mods for dad. I direct you to look at the exchange I had with Kyle at the very beginning of the game. I've got an evaluation of it somewhere in my posts.

are you talking about the exchange where you asked why I didn't suspect you? I thought it was a joke? how was I supposed to take it.