The Syndicate

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:45 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:41 pm

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 pm How is vanity "too clean"? I know he voted wolf, is it mainly because of a clean vote on said wolf?

benson was the one that thought that and he is no more.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:46 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:43 pm i played a game so villagery that another villager was paranoid of me. and now that that player is dead, mafia can push their agenda all they want. guess that's how it goes.

Come on, suspicion of you isn't because you're "so villagery".

i mean of course it isn't. but benson would not want me lynched right now if he was alive, i'm sure of it. that's the point.

I don't think a Benson kill was in your best interest last night.

Hello, thread. First, I want to say that Ty4on's death was hilarious. Tragic and all, but he... just... got himself killed for a joke? I don't know. Never seen such a thing.

I see vanity is a current lynch favourite, not surprising. Just got home from work, and I'm going to a friend's house. So I'll catch y'all on the flippity-flop.

Sorry I've been away. I'm going to get back into game mindset tonight.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:27 pm Hello, thread. First, I want to say that Ty4on's death was hilarious. Tragic and all, but he... just... got himself killed for a joke? I don't know. Never seen such a thing.

I see vanity is a current lynch favourite, not surprising. Just got home from work, and I'm going to a friend's house. So I'll catch y'all on the flippity-flop.

How do you feel about Vanity becoming the current lynch favorite? Do you think it's become too status quo? Like, from your perspective, what's the status quo right now? And what kinda read do you think would go COMPLETELY against the status quo right now? I want you to play devil's advocate again.

I feel like vanity becoming a lynch favourite happened pretty suddenly. I also think there's probably a good reason for that, and I support a vanity lynch. I guess it's status quo, but that phrase doesn't carry a lot of meaning for me - every lynch is its own organism with more factors than there are posts in the thread. Status quo came about for a reason.

Lynching Hyena or nutella would go against status quo the most, I think. Elephant/juliets is another factor going on that I don't really understand, but I think some people do. There's my Rebel Lynch Player Salad. Hyena, nutella, Elephant, and maybe juliets.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm Sorry I've been away. I'm going to get back into game mindset tonight.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:27 pm Hello, thread. First, I want to say that Ty4on's death was hilarious. Tragic and all, but he... just... got himself killed for a joke? I don't know. Never seen such a thing.

I see vanity is a current lynch favourite, not surprising. Just got home from work, and I'm going to a friend's house. So I'll catch y'all on the flippity-flop.

How do you feel about Vanity becoming the current lynch favorite? Do you think it's become too status quo? Like, from your perspective, what's the status quo right now? And what kinda read do you think would go COMPLETELY against the status quo right now? I want you to play devil's advocate again.

I feel like vanity becoming a lynch favourite happened pretty suddenly. I also think there's probably a good reason for that, and I support a vanity lynch. I guess it's status quo, but that phrase doesn't carry a lot of meaning for me - every lynch is its own organism with more factors than there are posts in the thread. Status quo came about for a reason.

Lynching Hyena or nutella would go against status quo the most, I think. Elephant/juliets is another factor going on that I don't really understand, but I think some people do. There's my Rebel Lynch Player Salad. Hyena, nutella, Elephant, and maybe juliets.

I don't know what I'm supposed to take away from this post. How do you...feel?

I was just answering Hyena's questions... I don't know why he asked them or what he wanted from the answers.

Here's how I feel in another rainbow list.

juliets
nutella
Hyena
Elephant
Quin
Lexi
Creature
vanity
TLib

juliets I think is town. I realize that's a departure from previous evaluations of her, but that's what I think. nutella and Hyena I have been townreading, and I'm not currently gogin against that. I did like Hyena's possible reality twist with nutella as the villain. I see he's trying to push some alternate possibilities, and that's something I may get involved in later tonight. Elephant went from being a top baddie candidate to being Mr Town, and I'm trusting the unknown reasons for now. Quin and Lexi are ??? right now. I think Creature could easily be a baddie, as could TLib. And vanity is a popular choice of course.

That's my quick take on where I'm at in the game right now. Gotta help with dinner.

Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm Sorry I've been away. I'm going to get back into game mindset tonight.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:27 pm Hello, thread. First, I want to say that Ty4on's death was hilarious. Tragic and all, but he... just... got himself killed for a joke? I don't know. Never seen such a thing.

I see vanity is a current lynch favourite, not surprising. Just got home from work, and I'm going to a friend's house. So I'll catch y'all on the flippity-flop.

How do you feel about Vanity becoming the current lynch favorite? Do you think it's become too status quo? Like, from your perspective, what's the status quo right now? And what kinda read do you think would go COMPLETELY against the status quo right now? I want you to play devil's advocate again.

I feel like vanity becoming a lynch favourite happened pretty suddenly. I also think there's probably a good reason for that, and I support a vanity lynch. I guess it's status quo, but that phrase doesn't carry a lot of meaning for me - every lynch is its own organism with more factors than there are posts in the thread. Status quo came about for a reason.

Lynching Hyena or nutella would go against status quo the most, I think. Elephant/juliets is another factor going on that I don't really understand, but I think some people do. There's my Rebel Lynch Player Salad. Hyena, nutella, Elephant, and maybe juliets.

Why were you voting for a "rebel lynch" yesterday?

Seemed like the right thing to do. Why are you so townread now?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:06 pm And vanity is a popular choice of course.

This doesn't shed much light on your own thoughts there.

I have given a lot of my thoughts on vanity. Not a lot has changed since yesterday. His posts today are very similar to yesterday, defeated, not much left to say and rapidly losing interest in trying. If I knew him better, maybe I would know if it's a Civ tell or not. Would he defend harder as scum? You turned around to believing in him yesterday, and came in today more determined than ever to lynch him. That speaks to me.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:56 pm reading long con's new posts... man there just isn't a lot of substantiation there. apparently i'm a favorite for being lynched for good reason? what is that good reason? because i feel like i've been plenty towny this game, somewhat out of knowing this just isn't how i'd wolf, regardless of what anyone thinks.

What, today's posts? Substantiation?

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:58 pm no one this game has defeated me. if anything how defeated me it's the game's length and somewhat my mental state. i know, that's vain, but that's how it is.

Yeah, I just meant your general attitude, not some direct conflict you lost.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:06 pm And vanity is a popular choice of course.

This doesn't shed much light on your own thoughts there.

I have given a lot of my thoughts on vanity. Not a lot has changed since yesterday. His posts today are very similar to yesterday, defeated, not much left to say and rapidly losing interest in trying. If I knew him better, maybe I would know if it's a Civ tell or not. Would he defend harder as scum? You turned around to believing in him yesterday, and came in today more determined than ever to lynch him. That speaks to me.

I'm not quite following. Are you saying you agree with my turnaround?

Yes.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:00 pm like what are the legitimate reasons for why i'm a wolf? i still don't understand. because of my pessimistic attitude? because i sporadically decide to not play the game? actually what?

if you want to get me out of the game because you don't like me, then that's fine. i have no qualms over that. if my lynch is a net positive for the game health, then lynch away.

I've given reasons why I suspect you in the past, and none of them were about how much I like you or being pessimistic. Not even about being gone for long periods.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:59 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:56 pm reading long con's new posts... man there just isn't a lot of substantiation there. apparently i'm a favorite for being lynched for good reason? what is that good reason? because i feel like i've been plenty towny this game, somewhat out of knowing this just isn't how i'd wolf, regardless of what anyone thinks.

What, today's posts? Substantiation?

yes, "new" would imply today's posts.

the main things i'm just looking for is... actual reasoning. if you're going to go over your reads, actually show your thought process. that's what i mean.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm Sorry I've been away. I'm going to get back into game mindset tonight.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:06 pmThat's my quick take on where I'm at in the game right now. Gotta help with dinner.

I told you, I'll get more into playing tonight.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:25 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:06 pm

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

No I legit didn't understand what you were saying. What does "the others should eat it up" refer to

Uh oh, urban dictionary won't be a good guide for this

Let's say it's "make believe" but in a more aggressive way

I still don't know what you're talking about. I know what eat it up means. I don't understand the context. Who are the others? What will they eat up?

Long Con, probably Elephant and Hyena too

They all say I could be scum

Ok but... like, I don't know if my actions "make sense" as scum or not. My actions are my actions. If I were scum, and I was aware of actions I could take to seem unscummy, then I would probably perform those actions.

The fact that you are acutely aware of just how unscummy your actions should be being received doesn't compute to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:59 pm I feel dumb for blindly believing this tbh lol. You're right that elephant being in the towncore was just based on Nanook's read which may not be reliable.

Ok, then I don't get your big vanity turnaround today.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:13 pm btw this is a bit of a wifom thing but if i was a wolf here i'd be wiggling out of several lynches better than i ever have before. it would be kinda mindblowing to me tbh. though i guess it wouldn't be impossible for me.

Can you bottle this feeling and use it in the future?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:59 pm I feel dumb for blindly believing this tbh lol. You're right that elephant being in the towncore was just based on Nanook's read which may not be reliable.

Ok, then I don't get your big vanity turnaround today.

What?

I'm on a totally different level rn. I'm galaxy braining this dreamverse.

Ok. Groovy.

I just thought, given that she was convinced enough about you to unvote you yesterday, it was odd that she came in directly accusing you today. You didn't make Ty4on get lynched.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:20 pm I just thought, given that she was convinced enough about you to unvote you yesterday, it was odd that she came in directly accusing you today. You didn't make Ty4on get lynched.

I thought you agreed with that part though lol. Idk what you were pointing out now that confused you, I was talking about an unrelated elephant thing. Unless Nanook and his death is the relevant piece in your mind there?

I thought you knew things. I thought you know juliets things, and I thought you came back knowing vanity things. But you... know... NOTHING!

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:26 pm the more i play this game the more unsure and confused i get lol. i should probably stop being lazy and actually iso people.

This is a tougher game than most in that the players got split up so early. Even when people come back to our thread, we're reading their Day 1 posts to judge them by. We're supposed to have several days of posts to use, and people are just like . And the players who have been here all along have less content to be judged by, because we've been talking about the same things on the same small group of players the whole time. I think about ISOing people and stuff, and it's like, I've already DONE that man! I read that book already.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm Sorry I've been away. I'm going to get back into game mindset tonight.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:27 pm Hello, thread. First, I want to say that Ty4on's death was hilarious. Tragic and all, but he... just... got himself killed for a joke? I don't know. Never seen such a thing.

I see vanity is a current lynch favourite, not surprising. Just got home from work, and I'm going to a friend's house. So I'll catch y'all on the flippity-flop.

How do you feel about Vanity becoming the current lynch favorite? Do you think it's become too status quo? Like, from your perspective, what's the status quo right now? And what kinda read do you think would go COMPLETELY against the status quo right now? I want you to play devil's advocate again.

I feel like vanity becoming a lynch favourite happened pretty suddenly. I also think there's probably a good reason for that, and I support a vanity lynch. I guess it's status quo, but that phrase doesn't carry a lot of meaning for me - every lynch is its own organism with more factors than there are posts in the thread. Status quo came about for a reason.

Lynching Hyena or nutella would go against status quo the most, I think. Elephant/juliets is another factor going on that I don't really understand, but I think some people do. There's my Rebel Lynch Player Salad. Hyena, nutella, Elephant, and maybe juliets.

this post pings me as... jumbled. there's things about it where the writing just doesn't flow properly. but it also seems free-flow-y, strangely enough. kinda villagery.

I was answering three separate questions in a short span. That is probably why it gives you that feeling.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:30 pm I mean, I think I knew juliets things but let's stop that there

Hey, I didn't ask you to confirm or deny anything. I just think it's safe to say out loud what I was thinking... whereas it wasn't before recently. To me.

Nanook was widely townread. Probably the wolf kill.

I spent my time tonight painting and didn't do any ISO reading or other analysis.

I'm fine with the Elephant vote, I was fine before and I really haven't made any significant advancements in my views. Assuming there are wolves among us, the "main thread", then I believe they are within Creature, Elephant, TLib, or vanity. We kind of don't need to sort Quin and Lexi out just yet, because if they are the only baddies present, then WTF have we been doing here, right? We need to root out the baddie that has been with us since the start, because I don't believe JJJ would put us here with an all-Civilian crew. He ain't that much of a bastard.

Sooo.... [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

That last part is odd and i personally missed it completely
still think vanity is a better vote for today but does make me wanna talk another look at Long Con and his interactions with people.

I don't even know if that's a true fact. Maybe it's just that you are scummier-looking than me?

Looking through your ISO, I notice a serious lack of talk about Hyena, nutella, myself, juliets... is it because you just townread us? You have been all over the vanity-Elephant thing, with a bit of Creature, but little else. Why are each of us so less worthy of your scrutiny?

Or are we in your "pocket zone" as townfolk you believe you trick because we don't know you so well, and you want top take out players with mutual history who can read you better?

I notice Benson had suspicion of you before he was killed. I'm going to honour his memory with a vote your way. [VOTE: TLib] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:18 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

That last part is odd and i personally missed it completely
still think vanity is a better vote for today but does make me wanna talk another look at Long Con and his interactions with people.

I don't even know if that's a true fact. Maybe it's just that you are scummier-looking than me?

Looking through your ISO, I notice a serious lack of talk about Hyena, nutella, myself, juliets... is it because you just townread us? You have been all over the vanity-Elephant thing, with a bit of Creature, but little else. Why are each of us so less worthy of your scrutiny?

Or are we in your "pocket zone" as townfolk you believe you trick because we don't know you so well, and you want top take out players with mutual history who can read you better?

I notice Benson had suspicion of you before he was killed. I'm going to honour his memory with a vote your way. [VOTE: TLib] aubergine

Hmmmm this is getting interesting

LC what are your thoughts on the most recent talking points about vanity? Are you unwilling to join the wagon?

I'm just not enamored with lynching him any more. He really sounds like he's not that interested in the game, and I don't think it's his wolf winning tactic. Would consider lynching him out of mercy, I guess, if he really wants out... I just think TLib is more likely to be a baddie. I guess I'd join the vanity wagon if the other wagons were people I Civ-read.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

Can you look up when Long Con has been voted, and by whom?

She's the only one who can.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?

Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?

Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".

Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?

Ask me tomorrow

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:50 am @Long Con and @Trustworthy Liberal you guys keep fading into the background and I think it's quite likely one or both of you is scum. I haven't forgotten about you, and am looking forward to seeing what you guys say about this phase's content so far.

We have until Sunday evening to do this. It's Saturday morning. I'm starting to catch up now, I just wanted to have an evening with my wife where I'm not glued to the computer.

So you guys didn't get a lynch result on that level?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:51 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:07 am 10 pages to read, i can do this today.

My mafia reads from previous days Dom, Elephant, probably LLD and I need to read for more.
Town reads Quin, Pawn, probably all others in the last 2 days when we played in 5 except LLD

AMA

How strong are these reads and can you cliffnotes them for me again please. I kinda just want to copy your homework haha.

Very strong i will proove it with quotes since day 1.

I suspect Elephant since then. Now that Nutella says he masterminded Vanity's lynch this makes it like he is lock scum in my eyes.
I can look at this more clear because I still have day 1 feelings more close without dozen of pages of infos on top

I read that earlier and I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Elephant was the original casemaker against vanity, but I think that was on Day 2. Was Elephant the main thrust all the way through to Day 4? Nutella came in at the beginning of Day 4 with a vanity vote in her very first post, and then juliets followed suit very quickly. [mention]nutella[/mention] Why is Elephant the mastermind, that's a strong word.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:59 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am So you guys didn't get a lynch result on that level?

Nope, All that happened was Master Radishes was lynched. That's all the Host posted aside from the flavor

How did you three all get all they way down there? Did you make decisions on your movement? I'm a nondreaming kind of dude here, why wasn't I invited?

Anyway, I'm at the top of 125. Gotta go to work for a few hours, then I'm on my weekend until Tuesday.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:51 pm @Long Con
@Quin

Did ya’ll miss me? I haven’t seen you since I got back. Gimmie some #content.

Soonish. I'll give you my catchup hot takes, still reading up. Epignosis - Evenstar took a turn when Epi decided she's not scum but is actually town, for the Four Reasons. I was seeing Ep as the Civ side of things there, but this turnaround could be a calculated pocketing ploy. LLD and Eva voting nutella is not that cool, nutella has looked very town over the days, and the timing of Eva's vote wasn't the best. 112 maybe sketchy. Michelle maybe sketchy.

Wasn't LLD posting in four personalities or something? What happened to that?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:26 pm Meanwhile [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

drake dot jay peg

Why do people keep voting Nutella?

Why do you keep buddying me?

You asked for more memes.

I’m not gonna fight you. You’re easy af to read.

Why does anyone Civ-read you?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.

I like this guy.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?

Was this ever straightened out? I don't remember that happening, but it could have been a dream.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:05 pm Colin I am voting for TL because nobody is talking about TL and I feel like they require some prodding.

I agree, I'll help prod. [VOTE: TLib] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?

Was this ever straightened out? I don't remember that happening, but it could have been a dream.

It's been discussed a fair amount. My personal theory is that Texas was the mason partner, and the mafia learned that from the janitored kill and used it to their advantage. Epi thinks that's far-fetched.

I just don't see how that's mechanically cleared even before the janitor theory came out. I did know about that idea, that Eva subtly claimed to be spinyboo's partner. And she's also the vig, although that one's pretty out there. Thanks for connecting that dot.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:45 pm Evenstar, walk me through why your vote didn't end up on Dragomir after you had a "double-barreled FoS" on him.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 pm I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.


I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.

I agree with these thoughts.

What do we know about the F3? What happened down there? What did the host say? Was that Limbo? Epi is confident that the lynches weren't lynches, is that a legit idea? If they weren't lynches, what were they?

I know that went beyond a response to your post.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm Hyena, the more I think about it the more I can see potential agenda in your play. You were one of the hardest pushers of vanity, and yet you took a brief detour on d4 onto me, criticizing my multiple flip-flops on vanity. It's not too hard to see a scum motive for you trying to see if a push on me would take off to stretch us out to yet another mislynch while keeping vanity on the table. I am actively forcing myself to no longer assume you are town, so if you are, make sure it keeps shining through or my tinfoil will gain ground.

Understood.

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Also, it feels like everybody is treating Nutella's involvement with Vanity's lynch equally with mine and Elephant's. I kinda strong-armed her into voting Vanity on D4. Does that change anyone's perspective?

Isn't Day 4 the day nutwlla stormed into the thread with an instant vote on vanity, because the Ty4on lynch went badly?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 pm I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.


I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.

I agree with these thoughts.

What do we know about the F3? What happened down there? What did the host say? Was that Limbo? Epi is confident that the lynches weren't lynches, is that a legit idea? If they weren't lynches, what were they?

I know that went beyond a response to your post.

The lynches in other levels have been "kicks" up to higher levels. If the F3/"Limbo" was the catalyst for everyone coming back together here, perhaps that didn't happen the same way, but I think the popular speculation is that it still mattered whether town or scum was lynched. Either for some kind of "advantage" or something relating to the layers reuniting. Idk.


@Evenstar @Master Radishes @sprityo was there some kind of special wording in the host post at the beginning of the F3 phase? Or was it just a standard "players currently in this location are:" announcement?

MAYBE... the winners of the lower-level lynches got more ROLE POINTS to use! That would explain.... role points.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:29 pm @Hyena I don't remember you strong arming her - are you talking about your big post on how many times she flipped on him? Or something else?

Yes.

I thought that post was the best reasoning I had heard to scumread nutella. Some of LLD's reasons were legit as well, but I just don't feel like getting into that whole ugly mess ever.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:08 pm Again, can't we do this the old fashioned way?

Who is Dragomir's teammate?

Going about it any other way is an invitation to dickery.

nutella ISN'T Dragomir's teammate. Because she was one of the main, and earlier, proponents of his lynch.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:18 pm Epi and Jack were townreading me but have jumped on my wagon with little to no explanation. Trying to save Eva??

Epi-Eva w-w? Difficult to swallow. Much theatrics.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:08 pm Again, can't we do this the old fashioned way?

Who is Dragomir's teammate?

Going about it any other way is an invitation to dickery.

nutella ISN'T Dragomir's teammate. Because she was one of the main, and earlier, proponents of his lynch.

I'm sorry you construed my vote as such.

I only voted nutella because she's a goober.

Hey man, votes are dangerous. They're not toys.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:22 pm Hey no that was good Epi, you baited Jack onto the wagon and he is now confirmed scum lol

Jack was also on Eva with little explanation, right?