The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:35 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:31 pmanyway, INH is probably scum.
How is it probable? There are more Civ roles than bad, so isn't it more probable he's Civ?
it's probable in my head so don't try to dissuade me. Either way, I think someone with 0 posts is a big fat question mark, now or down the road. Civ or mafia, how has INH's presence helped LC hunt scum? Isn't INH a "possible inactive scum"? How can you ever get a town read on INH?

Clearly nothing has helped me hunt scum, INH's absence included.

Damn, sloonei went from a really Civ read to your worst scum read by the end of that list!

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. And specifically the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.

I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:46 pm On the Bob thing.

I don't feel anything bad about Bob. But so far I've just read Sloonei's posts and thought "he had a point". I agree with Sloonei's points, but not hard enough to think Bob is definite scum. I'm suspecting Bob by proxy. But I don't want to ISO Bob myself because I'll probably just confirmation bias my way into voting him.

But while I was showering now, I had a thought. It's weird that Sloonei is tunneling so hard on Bob and yet nobody else is caring too much....

For the record, I always considered myself as potentially following a bob lynch, based on a leap of faith in Sloonei's ability... but I never felt my skirt blown up by the case against him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. And specifically the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.
I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.
eeegeeggggghhhhh

And do you consider this to be possibly alignment indicative?

For whom?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. And specifically the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.
I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.
eeegeeggggghhhhh

And do you consider this to be possibly alignment indicative?
For whom?
nutella

Well, since you brought it up, it moves the needle two hairs from 'Town' to 'Scum' for nutella, based on the idea that a reaction that doesn't seem quite right to me evokes feelings of possible fakery.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. And specifically the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.
I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.
eeegeeggggghhhhh

And do you consider this to be possibly alignment indicative?
For whom?
nutella
Well, since you brought it up, it moves the needle two hairs from 'Town' to 'Scum' for nutella, based on the idea that a reaction that doesn't seem quite right to me evokes feelings of possible fakery.
You brought it up bruh. And I didn't like how you did it.

Framing suspicion in a way that town can pick up on, but that doesn't state it directly. I don't like that.
And then nutella's post was obviously lamenting that we got a town flip rather than scum. In most games, a town flip is worst scenario. This game is different, with lynched failing almost half the time, but it's NOT GOOD, even as you said.
And then the way you presented the obversavion, making sure to place yourself as a part of 'us' and reemphasize the bright side and the town win condition.

These weak bits come together to make me feel like you're trying too hard to be the nonchalant townie and fly under the radar while casting shade on nutella.

So, no, I don't like your post. If you had said "no, not alignment indicative" I would have assumed that it was just a post for the sake of posting. But the way you framed your suspicion is sleazy and suspicious.

I didn't bring up suspicion of nutella. My post wasn't about suspecting nutella. I didn't "frame" anything, and anyone who "picked up on it" was reading it wrong.

Yes, part of nutella's post was "obviously lamenting" that mal was town. There was nothing in my post denying that lynching a Civ is bad, or that nutella thought so.

You would prefer that a player always use the third-person "the Civs" rather than "us" unless they're Confirmed Civ?

I agree, these bits are weak. Weak as hell, I dare say!

You are so way off, I'm not trying too hard at anything right now. My nonchalance is pure, natural cool, my friend. I haven't seen "under the radar" in a Mafia game since 2012, so nuh-uh... and I would not want to cast shade on the unique and colourful flower that is nutella.

tl;dr "You're way off from the get-go, dude."

I'll respond to the rest of you suckas in separate posts.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:26 pmLC this is bullshit and you know it, lol. Of course I'm disappointed that we lynched a townie. But you're right, the flip is interesting information, which is exactly what I was puzzling out in that post.

Ok, first off, here's what I see:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:26 pmLC this is bullshit, but you're right...

But let's dissect the whole thing to make sure I'm understanding.

1. What is bullshit, if I'm right? Are you talking about speedchuck's idea that I'm suspecting you for something? In that case, I agree 100% - that's bullshit, and I do indeed know it.

2. Where did I imply that lynching a townie is ok? Of course you're disappointed we lynched a townie. I know that. What I didn't understand was your negativity toward the Chim-whatever flip killing certain theories. That's a good thing.

To put it another way: Your post would have made more sense to me if it had looked like this:

alternatenutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. On the flip side, the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.

Very slight difference, but it highlights your feelings on the info in a totally different way.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:29 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:51 pm I didn't bring up suspicion of nutella. My post wasn't about suspecting nutella.
This is exactly my point. If not that, then what was it about??

I don't understand your confusion, it's a pretty simple interaction, and it has been explained already. I'll try putting it yet another way, in the hopes that you understand.

I saw the malakim role flip, and I thought "Cool, this role was involved in some earlier theories - now that we know it was mal, some of these theories will tighten up considerably, becoming closer to *solved*."

nutella saw the role flip, and expressed disappointment, specifically about the way that Chimbroazoa "killed" some earlier theories.

I was like "Yo nut, that ain't a bad thing!" That's all. That's "what it was about", and I can't wait for the chance to pick apart some innocuous post just because it didn't solve the game.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:52 pm Actually either way DDL's observation is fairly weak in the face of the Mal wagon. Given how early the lynch was more or less a foregone conclusion (and I think most players knew they wouldn't be around for EOD and were happy piling on Mal early), even if Mal had been bad it would have been far too easy to bus him and I just don't think I could imagine a version of yesterday involving a serious push against the Mal lynch. I honestly think DDL's observation is fairly NAI for Bob considering how the last couple lynches have actually gone down. I think in other situations I would readily agree with Sloonei that it's pretty strong evidence, but in the context of this game specifically I don't think it holds much water.
I started pushing bob on Night 3
So? Notice how I said "how the last couple lynches have gone" -- Day 4 also went down in such a way that I'm not surprised there wasn't more of a push against bob.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:04 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:26 pmLC this is bullshit and you know it, lol. Of course I'm disappointed that we lynched a townie. But you're right, the flip is interesting information, which is exactly what I was puzzling out in that post.
Ok, first off, here's what I see:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:26 pmLC this is bullshit, but you're right...
But let's dissect the whole thing to make sure I'm understanding.

1. What is bullshit, if I'm right? Are you talking about speedchuck's idea that I'm suspecting you for something? In that case, I agree 100% - that's bullshit, and I do indeed know it.

2. Where did I imply that lynching a townie is ok? Of course you're disappointed we lynched a townie. I know that. What I didn't understand was your negativity toward the Chim-whatever flip killing certain theories. That's a good thing.

To put it another way: Your post would have made more sense to me if it had looked like this:

alternatenutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. On the flip side, the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.
Very slight difference, but it highlights your feelings on the info in a totally different way.
This is such a waste of time. If you believe I'm town why are you putting time and effort into this incredibly anal argument rather than hunting scum? I'll answer just because your points don't make any sense and I stand for nothing if not truth and clarity.

1. The bullshit was your claim that I was being overly negative. I expressed a negative reaction to the result, which we seem to agree is warranted. I then expressed that the result affected some thoughts I had on roles/mechanics/previous game events. Maybe part of the disappointment carried over just in that I had thought I had Day 2/some roles figured out and was disappointed that I was wrong. But since I stated my conclusion that I still think Sloonei is most likely town, it didn't end up making that huge a difference either way.

2. Where did I imply that you implied that lynching a townie is ok? Wtf? I do not even understand what is prompting your question. Nowhere did I imply that you implied that. And again, you are greatly exaggerating my "negativity" in the rest of my comment. Your rephrase does nothing for me and I stand by the way I phrased it as making more sense in my mind. Like I said, it's reasonable that I would have been somewhat disappointed to find out that I was wrong, not to mention somewhat disappointed at the loss of the specific town role that we had lynched in addition to the fact that we lynched a townie. And I will admit that the rest of my post is the result of a thought process that I didn't write out -- for a few minutes I was thinking that the Chimborazo flip made Sloonei much more likely to be bad, but another look through the roles reminded me of other town possibilities for him and Jack (fwiw I had thought Jack was Chimborazo, not Sloonei, but it connects don't worry too much about it).

Anyway I'm done with this conversation and with your empty nitpicky nonsense. It's distracting from actually solving the game. What do you think about bob?

Christ. Don't put this on me. There's a short list of players that decided to jump to unsupported conclusions about one sentence I typed. You yourself called it "bullshit". I guess I should just not respond to that kind of thing, sorry for attempting to clarify myself. If you don't want to hear my so-called "empty nitpicky nonsense", then next time, don't ask for it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:45 pm I have a couple of issues with some of the things Long Con said on the last page.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. And specifically the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.
I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.
This is not the sense that I got from nutella's post. That in itself is not a reason for suspicion. But it's not exactly encouraging that this whole conversation is staring off on what could be read as a soft attempt to scrutinize nutella for a point which (I think) does not really exist. I took her negative response to be purely toward Mal's town flip, and the remarks about needing to reconsider Day 2 activities was an afterthought. LC seems to have conflated the two together. I'm only highlighting this here because it's the foundation of the conversation that would ensue, and by my judgment nutella is clearly the subject.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:27 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:46 pm On the Bob thing.

I don't feel anything bad about Bob. But so far I've just read Sloonei's posts and thought "he had a point". I agree with Sloonei's points, but not hard enough to think Bob is definite scum. I'm suspecting Bob by proxy. But I don't want to ISO Bob myself because I'll probably just confirmation bias my way into voting him.

But while I was showering now, I had a thought. It's weird that Sloonei is tunneling so hard on Bob and yet nobody else is caring too much....

For the record, I always considered myself as potentially following a bob lynch, based on a leap of faith in Sloonei's ability... but I never felt my skirt blown up by the case against him.
This is a separate thought, but again one that alarmed me a little. He qualifies himself a bit too carefully here. "For the record, I always considered myself as potentially...". That's three different expressions of hesitation. A confident townie could just as easily have said "I could also follow Sloonei on a bob lynch", but LC here took a whole lot of extra time getting that leap of faith out.
Also not a big fan of the way he sets up the hypothetical Bob vote in such a way that the responsibility is placed significantly on my shoulders rather than his own.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:57 pm Well shit. That result is disappointing. And specifically the Chimborazo flip kills a few of my theories on what happened on day 2... but I think there are still more sloonei-civ explanations that make more sense than sloonei-bad ones.
I feel like you are treating this additional information, which could be a crucial piece to solving the game and/or nailing down Sloonei's alignment, as a negative. Sure, lynching a Civ is not good, but this knowledge might help us win.
eeegeeggggghhhhh

And do you consider this to be possibly alignment indicative?
For whom?
nutella
Well, since you brought it up, it moves the needle two hairs from 'Town' to 'Scum' for nutella, based on the idea that a reaction that doesn't seem quite right to me evokes feelings of possible fakery.
The highlighted section reflects the same attitude I just talked about above. Unless I'm misreading this whole exchange, Speedchuck did not bring this topic up, or else what was Long Con's initial post even supposed to mean? These posts just feel like we're pulling teeth to get reads out of Long Con. That's not something I associate with town behavior.

So yeah. There's that.

blah blah blah blah Long Con talk blah

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:55 am How about you stop dwelling on how useless your content has been and answer my question about bob?

If people would stop asking me useless questions, I wouldn't have to answer with so much useless content.

As I said before, I haven't been all that suspicious of bob, but I have noted Sloonei's tunnel, and my level of belief in Sloonei's Civness and Mafia ability will need to inform me on how to proceed, should a bob vote come up. So far, a bob vote hasn't been the focus of any lynch, so, like many other players currently alive, I've kind of put off a strong bob analysis.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:56 am I suppose it warrants questioning why you put up so many bullshit accusations against me early on, LC. Buddying Mesk over a legitimate view and colonialbob over lyrics and intimidating Sloonei. Why?

What did you expect to gain from that bullshit?

Helped me get a read on you early. I have never committedly believed you were bad, but it was a possibility. And I do love to help my Civ friends out by casting suspicion their way. I don't really know what you're going to do without my help from here on in.

LOL go for it, and be wrong. It'll be fun. Just promise to win it after I'm gone.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:59 am Anyone got any good reasons to choose either sig or inh over the other?

Looked at that already. Chose sig.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:28 pm

eeegeeggggghhhhh

And do you consider this to be possibly alignment indicative?
For whom?
nutella
Well, since you brought it up, it moves the needle two hairs from 'Town' to 'Scum' for nutella, based on the idea that a reaction that doesn't seem quite right to me evokes feelings of possible fakery.
You brought it up bruh. And I didn't like how you did it.

Framing suspicion in a way that town can pick up on, but that doesn't state it directly. I don't like that.
And then nutella's post was obviously lamenting that we got a town flip rather than scum. In most games, a town flip is worst scenario. This game is different, with lynched failing almost half the time, but it's NOT GOOD, even as you said.
And then the way you presented the obversavion, making sure to place yourself as a part of 'us' and reemphasize the bright side and the town win condition.

These weak bits come together to make me feel like you're trying too hard to be the nonchalant townie and fly under the radar while casting shade on nutella.

So, no, I don't like your post. If you had said "no, not alignment indicative" I would have assumed that it was just a post for the sake of posting. But the way you framed your suspicion is sleazy and suspicious.
I didn't bring up suspicion of nutella. My post wasn't about suspecting nutella. I didn't "frame" anything, and anyone who "picked up on it" was reading it wrong.

Yes, part of nutella's post was "obviously lamenting" that mal was town. There was nothing in my post denying that lynching a Civ is bad, or that nutella thought so.

You would prefer that a player always use the third-person "the Civs" rather than "us" unless they're Confirmed Civ?

I agree, these bits are weak. Weak as hell, I dare say! You are so way off, I'm not trying too hard at anything right now. My nonchalance is pure, natural cool, my friend. I haven't seen "under the radar" in a Mafia game since 2012, so nuh-uh... and I would not want to cast shade on the unique and colourful flower that is nutella.

tl;dr "You're way off from the get-go, dude."

I'll respond to the rest of you suckas in separate posts.
You keep replying everything with "I'm not actually trying hard" and we'll eventually have to lynch you for not looking civ enough. Just saying.

Is that what you read in that post?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:17 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 amYAWN
You know you're full of shit when Epi thinks your linguistics argument is boring.

I agree, speedchuck is full of shit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:53 amYou literally wrote the same sentence in it.

Yeah, first thing in the morning.... scanned the post and missed that sentence.

I tried trying hard and it didn't work out, so I'm trying to take a backseat now.

But how the fuck am I "replying to everything that I'm not trying hard"?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:42 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:17 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 amYAWN
You know you're full of shit when Epi thinks your linguistics argument is boring.
I agree, speedchuck is full of shit.
I wasn't arguing friggin linguistics. There was nothing linguistic about my arguments.

Me neither, I was just responding to your suspicion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:58 am But how the fuck am I "replying to everything that I'm not trying hard"?
You have multiple posts stating that you are less involved or tryharding this game than usual, or similar stuff.

Ok, if that's what you really believe will get you a win. At least I'll have a few days before that policy takes me down.

I liked Epi's thoughts on sig, in addition to my own, so I'll cast a vote there right now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:21 pm I liked Epi's thoughts on sig, in addition to my own, so I'll cast a vote there right now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Hey, let me in on the joke!

Green for pro-sig

Blue for neutral

Red for anti-sig

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:20 pm I'm ready!

Having said that I might not be posting much from Tuesday to Sunday
Ironically, sig was more active during this stretch than after it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Mesk514 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:00 am I am mesk, I am good! do you trust me?

that's how i feel about trust meta!
I like this guy.

Also wow y'all are jumping the barrel and getting right into it aren't you?
sig's first two relevant posts say something positive about two civilians (Mesk and me, below).

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?
I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.
I don't understand this where did this come from? She didn't seem guilty in fact she was bragging about being a mafia member.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?
I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.
My mind went straight to the gutter with this one.

I also don't get why anyone thinks Epi is mafia, he looks like he always does. So I won't be voting for him.

I have no idea where sig got the idea that Spacedaisy was bragging about being a mafia member. Spacedaisy said she enjoys being bad.

The defense of me rings hollow: If I look like I always do, doesn't that mean I look bad?

Seriously, if I am looking like I always do, that is hardly a reason for sig to believe I am a civilian.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:32 am Mesk I've seen drunk mafia before but never high mafia, I'm enjoying it.

Also wow I'm dumb I thought the phase ended tonight.

I'm on phone about to drive to Columbus so my post will be limited, right now I've got a minor scum read on LC. I think his interaction with epi was odd and I don't like the nutella wagon which he helped to push. However, i always think lc is bad and i could see him and Epi dick slinging to be town on town
Nutella looks like she always does to me.

I do find Epi's ddl vote to be odd, he very much avoided both wagons and any fallout by voting that way.

Mesk514 it'll take awhile for you to switch over to the infodumping rules, it took me quite a few games.

In this meatier post, sig makes another (mildly) positive comment toward Mesk.

The yellow bothers me for a number of reasons.

First, sig missed the vote, so the same complaint he raises against me he could have raised against himself. Or evil MP:

MovingPictures07
1
6%
Voters: MovingPictures07
Or Spacedaisy:

Sloonei
1
6%
Voters: Spacedaisy
Spacedaisy
So why single me out as "odd?" Was I obligated to vote nutella or Long Con? I don't believe I was. "Fallout" has a negative connotation, implying that I should have voted for a civilian to bring ire upon myself. The other irony is that sig doesn't apply any "fallout" to anybody who voted for nutella, who wasn't lynched but could not be mafia.

Even more ironic is what is wedged in between the yellow snow. sig didn't vote, but (sort of) implied that he would have voted Long Con for pushing a lynch on nutella (which would imply he thought nutella was good, which makes no sense if sig thinks I maybe should have voted for her or LC instead of DDL), but then in the same breath discredits his own opinion of LC with a sweeping generality and a comment that he "could see" both of us being good.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 am Nevermind I see Epi's reasoning.

What ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.
I'm not sure what the "never mind" applies to, but sig, despite feeling like people should be talking about it, doesn't have anything to say about it.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 am I'm semi caught up but skipped a few pages in the middle.

I don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia

From my catch up eloh and epi look good. From what I've seen of wilgy I like. I've got a slight civ read of nutella and am a slight scum read on lc.

If I wanted to throw my vote somewhere I'd go for either daisy or maybe lc however given t he two wagons I'll look over the cases really fast.

I might make one or two more posts , I've got to be up early tomorrow to go out with my friends family and finish some homework so I might not.
It's worth noting that it is Day 5, and sig hasn't cast a single vote.

It's also worth noting that sig felt threatened by Spacedaisy and Spacedaisy was the first to die.

It's especially worth noting that sig, whether unwittingly or not, defended mafia MP by including him in his "don't lynch low posters" rant.

Without commenting on Wilgy himself, sig defended him by dismissing Spacedaisy's perspective as "trying to spread paranoia." What are civilians supposed to do? Hold hands and sing "Kumbaya?"

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:32 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 amI don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia.
1. My case against you and at first sprityo was never about low posters. It was about people who had been somewhat active but their content was so minimal that it was forgettable to me. So nice misrepresentation there.

2. I'm not spreading paranoia, I'm trying to sort through my own feelings and figure out if it's tinfoil insanity or really something. Also, if I was spreading paranoia I would not be so willing to hear other opinions and adjust based on good points in response.

This accusation was definitively a no u and it really makes me like the look of you even less.
It might've been a little no uish. However, I do see a main argument of your case being that we're low posters which is a slippery and dangerous route to follow.

2. That's something someone trying to spread paranoia would say.

linki: Jack would you mind explaining why you think you were almost lynched?

This post feels honest to me, and then we get this one:

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.
sig has no included JJJ in his condemnation of apparent "low-poster hunters," which pleases me. It's a small thing, and of course one always is swift to raise the "distancing theory," but going after 3J is a task in itself, one that sig clearly had no time to invest in. To give the illusion any credibility, sig would have needed to tangle with 3J and vote for him- neither of which occurred.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:37 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.
Why does Jack get your favorable outlook here?
So assuming nutella is who I think she is, then Jack was leading the lynch. True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

Jack didn't die and I only saw one known role that can survive a lynch. If it wasn't Jack then it's sloonie.

The only other role would be the 3rd party. Usually I'm very anti Third party, however it doesn't appear that this role is a SK so I don't care much and would rather focus on mafia. Therefore one of them must be a civ.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:54 am Thanks nutella. It is strange, but I'm not sure I'd lynch on it.

Now I must be off to Thanksgiving lunch/dinner. I'll try to phone post a bit, but we'll see.

linki: True, if it starts killing I say we hunt it otherwise I'd say it's more important to go after mafia members and if we hit Olympus Mons it isn't a big loss
These posts look like an honest effort to work out what was going on with the lynch.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:58 am I'm here, I'll be catching up and addressing any posts directed at me tonight after my class so around 8ish and tomorrow.
I hope sig has not literally fallen off a cliff.

Are we talking about the same post here? Epignosis had a lot more negative to say than positive. Furthermore, two of the three green reads are "feels honest" and "looks honest".

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 pm Are we talking about the same post here?
Actually no. No we are not. Epi's later post in which he voted Quin is about Sig. You should read it.

Oh, I haven't read that one. I should read it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 pm Are we talking about the same post here?
Actually no. No we are not. Epi's later post in which he voted Quin is about Sig. You should read it.

It's the same post, he just analyses what JJJ said about sig for a bit, then votes Quin for going after sig?

I really don't think my reading comprehension deserves to have been attacked.

This time.

I put more weight on his direct analysis of sig than the JJJ parts. I don't really know how to tell the difference between JJJ trying to get an inactive Civ lynched, and JJJ distancing from a teammate, so that stuff I took with a grain of salt. That's why I excluded it from the already-long quote - the meat of the post, to me, is in what I quoted.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:16 pm Or maybe I'm reaching because Portuguese defaultsto male pronouns in the absence of specific gender, while English doesn't necessarily do that.

No, it's the same in English. I also thought it was slip-esque.

I thought that Quin is just a proud dude, and he had a choice following JJJ's lynch: admit he was wrong and Epi was right, or assert that Epi got lucky with a bad case. Option B is much easier on his ego.

That seems more likely to me than the idea that Quin is a baddie who can't help but leak his anti-Civ opinions into the thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:47 pm I thought that Quin is just a proud dude, and he had a choice following JJJ's lynch: admit he was wrong and Epi was right, or assert that Epi got lucky with a bad case. Option B is much easier on his ego.

That seems more likely to me than the idea that Quin is a baddie who can't help but leak his anti-Civ opinions into the thread.
He never said I got lucky. If he said that, I could live with that (even if I would disagree, and he would have to address everyone else who voted JJJ as being lucky).

He maintained that my process (my thinking) was bad. That's a different matter. He voted for me. Tried to discredit me. Why would he do that if he and I were working toward the same goal?

I think it can be inferred that someone who catches a baddie with a bad/flawed case is lucky, right? But you're right, he didn't specifically say that.

He voted for you because he thought you were bad. That doesn't make him bad to me. He thought you were wrong, and so argued that viewpoint - I don't really dig the term "discredit", it feels like a buzz word. Even though I have used it in the past.

He thought you were working toward an evil goal, and didn't realize you were working toward the same goal.

All that can happen without any crazy leaps if Quin is Civ.

Or, maybe you got lucky again, and he's bad.

You can write a book on Mafia theory called "Twice Lucky".

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:03 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:47 pm I thought that Quin is just a proud dude, and he had a choice following JJJ's lynch: admit he was wrong and Epi was right, or assert that Epi got lucky with a bad case. Option B is much easier on his ego.

That seems more likely to me than the idea that Quin is a baddie who can't help but leak his anti-Civ opinions into the thread.
He never said I got lucky. If he said that, I could live with that (even if I would disagree, and he would have to address everyone else who voted JJJ as being lucky).

He maintained that my process (my thinking) was bad. That's a different matter. He voted for me. Tried to discredit me. Why would he do that if he and I were working toward the same goal?
Because you're not a fucking confirmed townie.
Who is?

Me. But you have to be really good at picking up hints.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:45 pmLong Con is voting sig because he misread my post about sig.

No, I'm voting sig because I interpreted the posts you presented differently than you. I realize that you don't really want to allow this sort of thing, but you can't really control that, and you're going to have to settle for uttering some petty, dickish remark... or try to be, like, less surly about every damn thing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:45 pmLong Con is voting sig because he misread my post about sig.
No, I'm voting sig because I interpreted the posts you presented differently than you. I realize that you don't really want to allow this sort of thing, but you can't really control that, and you're going to have to settle for uttering some petty, dickish remark... or try to be, like, less surly about every damn thing.
You assumed my intentions. You color-coded them. I don't think sig is bad. That didn't stop me from commenting on his posts as I wished.

Why aren't your considering 3J's posts against sig as more important than the gibberish busy sig put out there? I think that's more important.

I had to assume them. Take my colour codes as my opinions on the subjects, works for me. I said why I am not taking the JJJ posts as importantly: there's no way of telling what is an attempt to get a Civ sig lynched, and what is distancing from a baddie sig.

OK, hittin' up bob to seal the deal. It was 6-4, now it's 7-4.

On a completely unrelated note:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:31 pm Quin is town. Colonialbob is not town. If both these statements are false I will eat my Marmot hat.
I need a good reason to change my vote. You are strong in your assessment. I don't have an opinion of colonialbob.

I will change if you can convince me to do so. You will, of course, need more than that.

As you can see, though, I have a very poor opinion of Quin.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:34 pm colonialbob

Your vote would have made a difference, and gotten Quin lynched, at this point:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:06 am OK, hittin' up bob to seal the deal. It was 6-4, now it's 7-4.

So, if you suspected Quin more, and you needed good reason to change your vote, then why did you switch to bob?

EBWOP: *maybe gotten Quin lynched. Would have been 5-5 with my vote on sig.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:15 am @Epignosis if you switch back to Quin he'll be in the lead over sig.

still, hey @Long Con you could join us you know. remember last time I asked you to join me? yeah, it was a scum! :P

Maybe you were right, but then you went all:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:17 am does anyone have a good reason why Quin and Bob can't be scumbuddies because I think they are
I haven't looked for this pattern in any way.
Well, I just did a search for Quin (heh heh heh) in Bob's ISO and I can absolutely see it. Yeah yeah confirmation bias and all, but it checks out.

Remember, kiddies: Confirmation Bias ruins lives, and it can happen to you!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?
Was there even such a thing?

Once upon a time.

Yeah, he wasn't getting lynched anytime soon. Number one reason for the Mafia to kill anyone, in any game. I don't know if there's anything more... he came hard after Quin in the last lynch, and pulled a seriously goofy move and switched to bob for no reason.

Who could be Civ? This is going to suck because it's off the top of my head. Let's call this a "get the ball rolling" list.

Dragon D. Luffy feels Civ but no proof
DrWilgy light touch this game, can't think of a solid reason he's Civ.
dunya (replaced sprityo) very engaged, seems like she's genuinely trying to solve. Though Jack said she's fake.
Elohcin not the greatest feelings about her. She's been totally willing to lynch me all game, that low-hanging fruit thing doesn't sit well.
nijuukyugou (replaced insertnamehere) (replaced Glorfindel) total zero, no Civ points.
Kylemii I dunno
Long Con is Civ.
nutella Civ read based on lynch 1. Has she been riding that?
Quin has cases against him; Epi seemed to want him gone.
sig I'd vote him again
Sloonei had some sort of Civ cred based on Day 2, but is it legit now that Jack is proven Civ?
speedchuck no specifically Civ thoughts

So yeah, that was crap. This will take some research at some point.

"I mean heck Sloonei voted with JJJ and I'm almost positive they're not w/w"

Sloonei confirmed town. Bob either got a good check on both, or a bad check on both.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.

Why not?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 pm Oh wait...thats right. JJJ had a case against wilgy, I forgot about that. So he probably isn't scum.

Unless JJJ was distancing.

Are you still suspicious of Sloonei?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?
I've got a civ role in mind for him.

Kyle, does this make any sense to you?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?
I've got a civ role in mind for him.
Kyle, does this make any sense to you?
LC, what benefit this question provide?

Let's say you're Civ. Quin says he thinks he knows your role. Does this make you lean back and say "I'm glad Quin knows my role", or does it make you say "Huh? How the hell could he know my role? There's literally no way he could have figured it out from the thread talk!"

If it's the second one, then maybe something weird and interesting is afoot, you know?

I gave you this one, because I'm Canadian. Next time, if you wanna ask me a question, how about you treat me like an equal and answer mine first?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:25 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:18 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:14 am Maybe I'm crazy but I can't see LC as a civvie in this game. He has to be mafia or indie.

The indie part is what keeps me from voting for him.
If it helps, the indie role looks like it can only win with town, according to the OP. So the indie is basically town with an extra win condition.

Indy>=town.

But I could see LC as a civvie. 'Could' being the key word.

linki: you're kidding, right sloon?
Yeah, that's why indie would prevent me from voting for him.

Maybe it's fucking me up because in the lucid mafia dream I had LC was lynched and flipped Space Mountain and it just made perfect sense to me.

My baddie power is Dream Influence. Good to know it's working.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:27 am Yes, but that was in the disney world mafia game. Come on, man.

Yeah, I have the Multiverse Time Travel power as well, so it's affecting this game. This Disney game is off the hook!!!!

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:28 am K2 told us not to but I think it's appropriate to speculate around their identity given the direction today might go.

Initially I thought Kyle could be K2 just based on the way he talks. It sounded like him. I looked a bit deeper.

I searched "Sloonmeister" into the Syndicates word search history thing. One of K2's posts referred to him that way. The only record of that nickname ever being used is in SF II. So, I looked at people who played that game. Living people (excluding nijuu) who used that name are DrWilgy, dunya, Elohcin, Long Con, Sloonei and speedchuck. I'm going to filter out the girls because:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:51 pm
K2 wrote:What's good, Mountains???

It's ya boy, K2, and I'm comin' at you live from the border of Pakistan and China once again to provide you with all the fit that's news to print.

Hey guess what? The funeral home just called. They're holding a funeral right now and you're not invited. Also, no one is invited and no one is dead and there's no funeral. It was just a prank call.

We haven't lynched any mafia yet but don't get down about it. We've managed to figure out a truly fucking wild amount of information with minimal death. Let's keep it up!

The results of the day 2 lynch seems to indicate that between Jack and Sloonei, one of them is a large mountain. Specifically one of two different roles. Watch closely what people did with that information. Determining which role just used up their power is not in the town's best interest and provides an easy cover discussion that doesn't involve hunting small mountains. For the record I think Jack and Sloonei are probably both town.

The Sloonmeister came out with the hottest of cases on C-Bobby. I give it the official K2 Seal Of Approval. 10/10 would recommend reading. Go read it now. Finish reading this and then go read it.

Speedchuck still rubs me the wrong way. I would guess that another big mountain agrees with me and that's why he was forced to use a Shakespeare era language translator. I've seen cases made against him and agree with a lot of the content of them.

I appreciate Long Con and Epignosis laying off each other for a few days. Epignosis looks much better than he did initially, and Long Con looks marginally worse, at least in my opinion. I wouldn't consider him a priority but I have my eye on him and so should you.

I think the idea that there may be small mountains hiding among the low posters holds weight. The longer we play the more I feel it to be true. There's almost always a wolf among the high posters so be careful.

I was going to close with some interesting mountain facts but it it turns out there aren't any. So instead I'm gonna close with a joke:

Why did K2 ruin Thanksgiving once again by stealing K2's family's turkey and hiding it in the bathroom where no one could find it?

Tune in Night 4 for some more more thoughts as well as the answer to this joke.

Do your best everyone! Please hit that like button if you did. Leave a comment, and subscribe if you want to see more like this.

Until next time, K2 out.

I see no plausible reason that someone with this kind of role would lie about their gender. It's not so important a role that mafia would put its owner on a NK priority list. Ergo, K2 is almost definitely male.

DrWilgy fits my criteria for a potential K2. For people entertaining Wilgy as a lynch candidate - do these posts give off doctor vibes to you? You should rule him out as K2 if you're thinking of placing a vote there.

I could see it being Wilgy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:21 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?
I've got a civ role in mind for him.
Kyle, does this make any sense to you?
LC, what benefit this question provide?
Let's say you're Civ. Quin says he thinks he knows your role. Does this make you lean back and say "I'm glad Quin knows my role", or does it make you say "Huh? How the hell could he know my role? There's literally no way he could have figured it out from the thread talk!"

If it's the second one, then maybe something weird and interesting is afoot, you know?

I gave you this one, because I'm Canadian. Next time, if you wanna ask me a question, how about you treat me like an equal and answer mine first?
Specifying whether or not my role is knowable or even insinuating what contexts that information is obtainable from, if it even is obtainable, would help the mafia narrow down where the remaining civvie roles are positioned.

I'm not interested in taking part in that.

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

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