The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:26 pm People who have been around-- what's up with juliets?

She's part of the Caffeine Crew - those of us who never went into a dream at all (assuming we're awake now, that is!). Widely townread, but I think much of that is based on some misread roleclaimy stuff that's difficult to parse due to it being illegal for her to confirm or deny. It got a little murky on that front, but I only wanted to lynch her for a little bit. I feel like I saw something else that made me say "she's town" but I forget what it was. Back before the thread collapsed.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:27 pm Seriously though. If you guys would rather lynch jack than eva I'm game

I don't know if it's the Gifs, but this actually feels pretty good. I'm down. [VOTE: jack] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:31 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine to keep nutella out of the lead just in case bullshit.

Aw geez. Sorry. You think the day is ending early or something?

I'll go back to TLib. [VOTE: TLIB] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:59 pm @Epignosis - I went off of your wagon because I figured I was tunnelling you for things that are probably just an odd town-meta considering the other long-time syndicaters are not as suspicious of you as I have been throughout the game.

I used to tunnel Epi every game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:31 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine to keep nutella out of the lead just in case bullshit.
Aw geez. Sorry. You think the day is ending early or something?
Not at all. I was never seriously going to vote nutella. I saw she had a lead and wasn't going to let that gain momentum.

I do question her view on "Gotta be mafia among the three" nonsense, but I really can't fault her for that.

I think putting stock in that is dangerous.

It's akin to saying "The host has given you mafia from a one in three chance." JJJ would never do that. That's foolish. Move on.

A one in three chance to what? The Mafia didn't win after the F3, but neither did the town.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:09 pm yeah, jack, i am inclined to like you after an iso skim. we could settle our differences and towncore if you so want.

What was it about Jack's ISO that led you to this bold statement?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?
Was this ever straightened out? I don't remember that happening, but it could have been a dream.
It's been discussed a fair amount. My personal theory is that Texas was the mason partner, and the mafia learned that from the janitored kill and used it to their advantage. Epi thinks that's far-fetched.
Well...I don't think that.

You know...

because...

Spoiler: show
It is far-fetched.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:30 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:26 pm People who have been around-- what's up with juliets?
She's part of the Caffeine Crew - those of us who never went into a dream at all (assuming we're awake now, that is!). Widely townread, but I think much of that is based on some misread roleclaimy stuff that's difficult to parse due to it being illegal for her to confirm or deny. It got a little murky on that front, but I only wanted to lynch her for a little bit. I feel like I saw something else that made me say "she's town" but I forget what it was. Back before the thread collapsed.
I'd like to see more from her.

She spent a lot of time organizing the votes for everybody to use in vote research. vanity had issue with the way she seemed to sheep/copy Elephant's post, but that was intentional on her part.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 pm I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.

I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.
I agree with these thoughts.

What do we know about the F3? What happened down there? What did the host say? Was that Limbo? Epi is confident that the lynches weren't lynches, is that a legit idea? If they weren't lynches, what were they?

I know that went beyond a response to your post.
There were three people there.

All three people are here, right?

Ergo, it wasn't a lynch.

Holy shit come on.

But, like, you've seen the movie, right? Lynches are death. Death in a dream wakes you up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:18 pm Epi and Jack were townreading me but have jumped on my wagon with little to no explanation. Trying to save Eva??
Hell goddamn no.

Strong words... but you townread Eva now, don't you?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:31 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine to keep nutella out of the lead just in case bullshit.
Aw geez. Sorry. You think the day is ending early or something?
Not at all. I was never seriously going to vote nutella. I saw she had a lead and wasn't going to let that gain momentum.

I do question her view on "Gotta be mafia among the three" nonsense, but I really can't fault her for that.

I think putting stock in that is dangerous.

It's akin to saying "The host has given you mafia from a one in three chance." JJJ would never do that. That's foolish. Move on.
A one in three chance to what? The Mafia didn't win after the F3, but neither did the town.
That's my point. Nobody won. Move on.

It might not really be as "bastard" as people are saying. Imagine a host, just for one day, taking three players and saying "you can only vote for each other today". Gives them a chance to focus and work each other out whether they're all Civ or not. Not easy, but not bastard.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 pm Or TL I guess. Whatever

Depends if there was definitely a Mafia with us the whole way. If there wasn't one in the F3, then why should there be one on the surface? His Drago vote looks pretty good... it's just that when we were a diminished number of players (and assuming a couple of Mafiosos with us), he looked the worst.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:12 pm LC and Epi both jumped btw.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:47 pm ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

[mention]iaafr[/mention] your style early game was all over the place. You would place reads on players, only to flip those reads right after. Was that to make yourself intentionally difficult to read? Do you intend to keep that playstyle going?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:49 pm @iaafr vote eva, or elephant, or jack, or tl. I still lean to preferring eva for reasons stated here:

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.

why does being in the final 3 matter?

They're not MY Final 3. To me they're some players I didn't see for a long time, while I and my surface friends carried the whole game.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:02 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:53 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:41 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:10 pm

Hey hi hello!

...who are you?

No seriously I feel like we've met somewhere
I was the voice of “Evenstar is scum” during your WC match and stupidly made a bet with you about who your teammates would kill and who they would send to lylo.
Oh, you're my disciple! Right, yeah, ok.~ Sorry!
Lol yeah.

^ Teammate interaction

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:57 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:39 am
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:00 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:55 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:50 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:48 pm

Dunno why you're asking me instead of her. I don't wanna sleep with you.
Aw, what a shame.
Oh shit, I just realized that you're a girl. We can hit the bed anytime then
Does that line generally work for you?
Everything works for me baby girl. Everything.
Drago’s like 14, right?

^Teammate interaction

I searched your iso for the keyword evenstar and I'm having a helluva time.

Most call her Eva though right?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:53 pm Carried?

Yeah... we were playing Mafia while you guys in dreamworld were having some liquid pseudo-lynch fun where no one knew who was getting voted and the points didn't matter.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:53 pm Carried?
Yeah... we were playing Mafia while you guys in dreamworld were having some liquid pseudo-lynch fun where no one knew who was getting voted and the points didn't matter.
Yeah but the dead list since we left is all townies.

The joke being if you “carried” them you must be a wolf.

I didn't, like, carry their dead bodies in my fanged bloody mouth, if that's what you're implying sir.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:17 pm @Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?
'cause they are Pawn, and also Town
Is there any substance to this or just your random read?
Pawn and I are like personal nemeses at this point. If you can't trust our reads on each other, you can't trust anyone's.
Rivals, nemeses sounds too antagonistic~

We're only at each other's throats half the time.

Are you guys ever wrong about each other?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:53 pm
Most call her Eva though right?
I searched both

Your quotes showed interaction between them though... so you're saying they had fun interactions, but he never mentioned her in a serious game way by name?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:02 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:21 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:17 pm @Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?
'cause they are Pawn, and also Town
Is there any substance to this or just your random read?
Pawn and I are like personal nemeses at this point. If you can't trust our reads on each other, you can't trust anyone's.
Rivals, nemeses sounds too antagonistic~

We're only at each other's throats half the time.
Are you guys ever wrong about each other?
Actually no. We haven't had wrong reads on each other ever past N2.

Is she town?

Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:24 pm Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.
Someone (thought it was Nutella) loudly doubted the “Eva is a mason” theory.

Yes... but that's due to her "Texas Mason" theory.

Can iaafr be scum here?

Hey, I have votes! Nice, I feel like a real man now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:03 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:59 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:55 pm I think Quin is trying to imply they're spiny's mason?

Yeah, that's super not a good look.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine
b u l l s h i t y o u a r e t h e v o y e u r
x

You think Eva's really the voyeur?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:04 am Galaxy brain read.

Evenstar is town because Pawn, Lexi, 112 and me are all still alive.

Regular brain read: You are all still alive because you spent all game in a world where death doesn't kill you.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:07 am ok why are people glomping onto trustwrothy liberal-- they sound like they're my brand tbh

I'm on-brand there. TLib is one of the most suspected people in the Surface Dwellers. Assuming there were scum on the surface, well, we have a separate kind of analysis on that smaller group.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:03 am Hey, I have votes! Nice, I feel like a real man now.
why say this

It was brought up earlier how few votes I have received this game. Also, (now I don't know if I'm using this correctly).... dickbutt?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:10 am Someone want to explain the champs memes to LC?

I ain’t doing it on my phone.

Oh, ok. Don't worry about it, unless it matters.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:10 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:03 am Hey, I have votes! Nice, I feel like a real man now.
why say this
It was brought up earlier how few votes I have received this game. Also, (now I don't know if I'm using this correctly).... dickbutt?
The joke is that in this game, Leo’s goal was to inception Dickbutt into the mark.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:20 am [VOTE: elephant] aubergine

can we do dis

I'm down with that, yes. [VOTE: elephant] aubergine

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:26 am

is the game over now, can we all go home?

quality

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:56 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:54 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:50 am sorry, i dont quite feel it. im going to stay on long con.
can you link me your case on LC to read it? searching on phone is a pain. Thanks
it's not a very deep case, i just feel a lack of depth in his gameplay and like

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:50 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:47 pm ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote
@iaafr your style early game was all over the place. You would place reads on players, only to flip those reads right after. Was that to make yourself intentionally difficult to read? Do you intend to keep that playstyle going?
this quote in particular pinged me as a forced empty question that i dont actually see the protown value of or any particular drive to read me

no real followup either

does not seem to be naturally curious or wanting to solve peoples alignments in general.

You chose that post? That post was a hastily constructed response to your naturally curious and keenly solution-finding post, "first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote".

Respectfully, go take a short walk on a long pier. Enjoy the sunrise, fresh sea air. Very nice!

Not to mention that your post was a straight-up lie.

Hey folks, really sorry to have been so absent today. Changing the battery and alternator in my wife's car turned into more than I bargained for. I know I have gotten some votes and questions today that I haven't responded to. I thought I was almost caught up enough to post an hour ago, now that I've put the project on hold till tomorrow, the lynch landscape is very different and there are five more pages. I'll try.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:30 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:25 pm Elephant self voting means a TMI on Hyena as better scum
yeah this is what I thought

This is a fucked up thing to see,. Why is he self-voting? I mean, why did he say? Frustration?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:31 pm hyena and jack are scum voting pawn, dom and epi are wrongtown

Why did Hyena's suspicion level go up? I thought he was not that suspected.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:33 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Not letting you guys vote Elephant.

WTF? Now you are both self-voting?

Is this a usual strategy on your home site?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:33 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Not letting you guys vote Elephant.

I don't remember you being so protective of Elephant when the thread was still split.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:30 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:25 pm Elephant self voting means a TMI on Hyena as better scum
yeah this is what I thought
This is a fucked up thing to see,. Why is he self-voting? I mean, why did he say? Frustration?
I am self-voting because they're lynching Hyena, and Hyena is town and a better player than I am
but I'll go to Pawn if that makes a difference, iaafr is a doublevoter, so currently it doesn't

I thought the iaafr doublevoter theory was largely pooh-poohed as nonsensical.

Is this Secret Animal Team all over again?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:31 pm hyena and jack are scum voting pawn, dom and epi are wrongtown
Why did Hyena's suspicion level go up? I thought he was not that suspected.
Because nobody on his wagon has actually played as long with him this game as we have.

Well, technically, Hyena has.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:34 pm How 'bout CFDing Juliets?
i really hated her long con vote.
Exactly what pinged me.
Please cfd me.

Is this like that movie where the plants made everyone commit suicide?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:45 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:44 pm [VOTE: long con ] aubergine

back to pussy mode it is?
iaafr is making it clear he wants to be known as the double voter lol

Ew, get him off me than.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:46 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:45 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:44 pm [VOTE: long con ] aubergine

back to pussy mode it is?
iaafr is making it clear he wants to be known as the double voter lol
literally not even on my mind and getting vaguely annoyed every time it's brought up

Do you think it's getting brought up with scummy intentions?

I doubt I will move my vote. Elephant is someone I've had suspicion of for a while, Hyena is someone I've townread for a while... Pawn is a bit of a scumlean, but I have no real case to back that up right now.

Note that Elephant is still one of the voters on himself. He could do a last-minute switch.

Nice lynch yesterday... two for one! Any theories other than Poisoner? There's no Poisoner in the roles.

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