The Syndicate

All of those outcomes are entirely possible. May I assume that, since you said you were voting me for "making up a reason to accuse epi of being bad", that you'll change your vote before heading off to bed since you now understand that was not the case?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:37 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:24 pmLong Con has done nothing but provoke me, and he knows it, which means I am less likely to do anything productive this Day phase because he knows I'll argue with him, and I know when I do argue with him, he's going to continue making things up (like I somehow magically chose who was going to quote Elton John) and whenever I challenge anything he has to say about me, he will give glib, unhelpful responses ("Indeed." "Keep dancing," etc.), which shows he isn't interested in figuring me out. He's interested in getting me out regardless of my alignment. It almost feels personal.

I swear that my suspicion of you is genuine, not personal.

When you take my two "glib" posts, and ignore all my other ones, to make the point that I'm not interested in figuring you out, it's deceptive. This makes you look suspicious.

When you try to twist my clear points into "magically chose - Elton John" crap, it's deceptive. This makes you look suspicious.

Just stop pretending you don't understand, and it will be a start for you looking less suspicious. Why do you DO this???

By saying I'm pretending not to understand, you are effectively calling me "stupid," because I don't understand.

How the fuck did I choose who would quote Elton John? I'm not psychic.

I'm out for the night.

I never said you chose who would quote Elton John. You chose him because he responded to you. He gave you the buddying opportunity you were looking for, and you chose that Civ because of it.

So, according to you, I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing my hands together going, "Oh boy, I just posted an Elton John song lyric. Let's see if a civilian responds to it so I can buddy up to him! This is going to be great! Just watch me cruise to victory by telling this unwitting participant in my clever charade that I won't be voting for him Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and he'll never know what him him! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

Well, I kinda pictured it a lot more casual.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:32 amLC, how old are you?

I was born... before the nineties.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:24 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:29 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

Long Con care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?

I don't understand what you are saying, can you phrase it differently please? I was saying that Epi's alignment conclusions about mesk, based on the "dirt" post, are not legit because the logic isn't there... you are comparing it to the Daisy guilt thing, but I can't figure out what you mean by your wording.

You said Epi's read of mesk was not legit because there wasn't anything in that post to get a read off of but didn't say something similar about the Spacedaisy votes because she said sorry she checked in and that apparently meant she felt guilty for being mafia. So I would like you to address that discrepancy.

PS boarded, will be back before EoD to at least skim and potentially change my vote.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] for the third time, plz respond kthx

Sorry dude, I'm not failing to respond on purpose. I have no need to avoid this question.

I formed that opinion of Epi's read because his game was on my mind more, and it was only from re-considering his mesk opinions that I came to that conclusion. I hadn't looked as deeply into the Daisy accusation. I did have this response:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

I didn't see any need to treat the Daisy votes any differently than any other votes at the time. They seemed like pressure votes, and that was fine with me.

Should we lynch DDL, Dom, or MP? Or Glorf?

Are they more likely to be Mafia than nutella?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am You know that feeling you get when you're with some friends and you're deciding what resturaunt to go to and then 5 people out of 19 of your buds say Applebee's and you're just like... 'Wow I mean I guess they have good cocktails?' so then you ask your other friends if they have any better ideas and then 3 of them casually recommend a cafeteria they know that's inside of a local hospital and it's out of the way but their tuna sandwich is kind of okay?

That's kind of where I'm at rn

My understanding of your metaphor is contingent upon knowing whether or not Applebee's actually serves good cocktails.

Jesus, sorry nutella... just got in and realized there's a minute left to go, voted you to save myself.

Marmot isn't online right now. I think I'm going to bed.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:55 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:26 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:15 am @Spacedaisy

Nothing pairs you with Epi.

Bob thinks LC was inconsistent about the way he treated Epi's junk town reads and the way he treated people with junk suspicion of you.

I think that's an apples to oranges comparison. Or a toenread to scumread one, anyhow.

Why?

Cause buddying and reaching are different things to accuse someone of doing.

Town-reading mesk off vague textual clues from a single post vs scum-reading Spacedaisy off vague textual clues from a single post.

How do you like them apples?

I responded to your Daisy thing, bob. Am I still in the doghouse?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 am Nevermind I see Epi's reasoning.

What ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.

Snopes disproved that long ago dude.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:32 amright now I've got a minor scum read on LC. I think his interaction with epi was odd and I don't like the nutella wagon which he helped to push. However, i always think lc is bad and i could see him and Epi dick slinging to be town on town

Odd, huh? Is it weird and- WHOA! *grabs sig and ducks as big dick swings through, almost knocking them both over*

Sorry dude, you know how it gets with Epi. Anyway.

Odd, huh? Is it weird and interesting as well?

It is false that I helped to push the nutella wagon. I cast a vote for her out of self-preservation in the final minute of the lynch. You need to explain why you said this false thing about me.

I'm not sure it changes much of anything for me. I don't really suspect nutella very much, and I don't believe I ever led anyone to believe I did. Now, between you and sig both implying that I'm wrong about that, I need to go back over my posts and see if maybe I had too many drinks last night and said some anti-nutella thing that I completely erased from my memory.

As it is, a Civ nutella surviving the lynch changes things for me thusly: I am a little happier that no Civs died. I'm a little happier that my friend nutella is still around (doubly so since I thought she left the game permanently when Epi and I were arguing). And I feel good about the content generated on Day 1, by the number of posts, and by the lynch votes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:20 am I'm not sure it changes much of anything for me. I don't really suspect nutella very much, and I don't believe I ever led anyone to believe I did. Now, between you and sig both implying that I'm wrong about that, I need to go back over my posts and see if maybe I had too many drinks last night and said some anti-nutella thing that I completely erased from my memory.

As it is, a Civ nutella surviving the lynch changes things for me thusly: I am a little happier that no Civs died. I'm a little happier that my friend nutella is still around (doubly so since I thought she left the game permanently when Epi and I were arguing). And I feel good about the content generated on Day 1, by the number of posts, and by the lynch votes.

Is it not enough for me to want your opinion of a likely cleared player without assuming I'm assuming/misleading about something else?

I'm very aware your vote was with (not on) Nutella for a good chunk of yesterday.

Fair enough, I guess I know what happens when I assume. I didn't think you were misleading.

I hope my answer was sufficient.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:33 amI hope that makes sense.

Weasel words. Of course we all hope our posts make sense.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:07 am I responded to your Daisy thing, bob. Am I still in the doghouse?

Nah I'm fine with that answer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:57 pm I'm voting for Long Con but I'm working and can't explain why at the moment.

I didn't see any explanation for this. A few sentences would have sufficed.

Instead, the posts leading up to the lynch never addressed the Long Con vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:12 am I thought I'd have more time to dig into this between coming home from work and the end of day. I'll do things, but not as much as I hoped. If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it. If not then you're all jerks.

I also don't understand this post. Rather than offer that explanation for the LC vote, Sloonei excused himself, and then said that last sentence, which is what I really don't get.

"If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it (which I assume means he'll change his vote to nutella). If [I don't like the nutella wagon] then you're all jerks."

That doesn't make any sense to me.

it was late and I was tired.

Are you tired right now?

Best to get some rest. If you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything.

Rest up, and when you're feeling more on top of your game, come back and explain yourself.

I see Elohcin!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:34 pm Oh. My. Goodness. Reading this thread is like listening to my children bicker. I'm not done catching up, but I'm over it. This.post below is why I'm voting LC. He admits to making up a reason to accuse epi of being bad. This ia what mafia have to do to look like they are scum-hunting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:07 pm

WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.

Ah. An assumption. Three of them, actually. Glad to hear you admit it.

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Yet I can't say I'm not going to vote a guy because of Elton John or that I raised an opinion regarding Mesk's response to being big or little. Too bad you didn't quote the next line to "Rocket Man." Because then I would have been buddying you.

That's why you voted for me, Eloh, and I feel like you gained clarity about the misunderstanding. You understood that I didn't "make up a reason to accuse Epi", and yet you left your vote on me. Why?

I don't know what you're saying; I don't feel the ping. Take me there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:30 pm Is LC saying bogus things a scumtell?

Impossible to say, since LC doesn't say bogus things.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

:nod:

Hmmm...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:53 pm @Long Con

Your thoughts?

Also, did this give you a bell notification?

Yeah, I got a bell.

My thoughts? I like Epi's latest idea. Let's lynch Dom. Or DDL. You still want that, Ep?

I'm a little worried about Jack buddying me, because he's been very agreeable to my point of view. But if we three are all Civ, then it does behoove us to work together.

Heyyyy, Mesk, fellow Canadian!

DDl, both times you got ninja'd, you were clarifying a point that had little or nothing to do with solving the game. We both know the "that time Epi bussed" story very well, as do the majority of the players here, because it has come up many times. Not only are you commenting on things that have already been taken care of (ninja'd), but they are things that get your mouth moving but not the game. That does not look good to me; I am considering adding my vote to you, because the stars are aligning that way already. It's early in the day though.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:03 am... went at it not being sure he would succeed but trying anyway.

...describes everything meaningful I ever do in a game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

++++

Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

Yeah, it said "silence or insanity of your choice" I believe.

If I were Kilimanjaro, I would have activated my ability last night. You never know how long you're going to last in a game, and I'd really feel silly if I got nightkilled with three protections in my pocket. I guess you think it's strategically better to wait until later game?

I would have a problem with a host who allowed a single inactive player to prevent the team from making a night 1 kill, because that's bullshit.

Why did you mention #4?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:57 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:48 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

++++

Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

Yeah, it said "silence or insanity of your choice" I believe.

If I were Kilimanjaro, I would have activated my ability last night. You never know how long you're going to last in a game, and I'd really feel silly if I got nightkilled with three protections in my pocket. I guess you think it's strategically better to wait until later game?

I would have a problem with a host who allowed a single inactive player to prevent the team from making a night 1 kill, because that's bullshit.

Why did you mention #4?

Either I misread it the first time, or Kilimanjaro was edited too. My reaction reading it originally was, "If you activate your ability, you have effectively killed yourself, because now you don't have a vote." Now I see Kilimanjaro will have a vote worth one less for the following Day only. That's good news then.

I raise #7 because I've seen things like that before. In Street Fighter, only a certain member could kill each Night, and that kill rotated through the team. I realize that isn't the same thing, but an inactive teammate could have cost the team a kill.

Is #4 not a possibility? "Mont Blanc Tunnel - Blanc may switch two players, switching their targets as well as redirecting night actions targeted at one to the other." I just went down the roles and posted every conceivable circumstance.

That's what I always recall seeing on Kilimanjaro.

#4 is a possibility to have happened, but I don't think it could have caused the no-kill. It's sort of like saying that Denali might have found Logan (don't search me it's not a hint) ... might have happened, but didn't cause the no-kill. It might have fooled the baddies into believing false info about the no-kill though.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:30 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:05 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:03 am... went at it not being sure he would succeed but trying anyway.

...describes everything meaningful I ever do in a game.

Depends. Maybe you don't even want to lynch Epi. You are just throwing shit in the fan so people look at the shit and think "LC is doing a lot of work. He civ".

Maybe! I don't think that's what I do though. I don't think I've ever done a lot of work.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:43 am I did it. I'm caught up. GLORY!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:53 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

lest I loathe to speaketh, but feeleth I must
Address this role without a fuss

Alas, e'en though I like to spam
Replies to all that sayeth mine name
A darkness falleth upon mine lips
A puckish rogue gaveth me a slip
So now I shalt not quote DDL
if 't be true twas a joke, it's his to telleth

This role that thee speaketh of the present day
Is probably just what thee sayeth
Or that's mine opinion concluded, be it

YOU CAN'T ASSUME HE'S CIV!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.

Why am I on the same end as Epi and the opposite end of LC?

Hey, I just got these coattails washed dude.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:14 pm I kind of agree with epi on voting a low poster. Other than my suspicion of LC and my slight suspicion of nutella (half the time her posts crack me up and half the time I'm hinking wtf), I do think that the high posters seem to be civ and genuinely trying to help.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:37 pm Elohcin
Mesk514
JaggedJimmyJay
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Kylemii
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
colonialbob
sig
sprityo
Quin
Sloonei
Dom
nutella
Long Con

Dom is the only low poster singled out as a clear suspect. The others are all nondescriptly placed in yellow. And then the claim that "the high posters seem to be civ" is somewhat contradicted by Quin and I being colored orange, and kyle being listed among the neutrals as well. You think this computes over here?

I agree with this analysis, well done.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:42 pmI still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

Just glancing at Eloh's ISO to find her previously stated opinions of Quin and Sloonei... this post bugs me. Is that really "what mafia will do"? I feel like I could put a great many reasons baddies vote and put that at the beginning of the sentence.

"I feel like you were voting Epi to make it in before the lynch train took off, which is what mafia will do"

"I feel like you were voting Epi to save your teammate, which is what mafia will do"

"I feel like you were voting Epi to avoid either of the main trains, which is what mafia will do"

... those are all true as well. I'm just not buying Eloh's quote here as honest.

And now I can ask this question without being a "Didn't Read" Denny. Eloh, why are Quin and Sloonei in the reddish zone? You have never mentioned them before.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:26 pm@Long Con I don't know if you ever answered my question, do you now hold the belief that the back and forth between you and Epi was a misunderstanding?

Nah, I still think he's probably bad, but I'll focus elsewhere for now because K2 said so. I am considering voting Eloh for saying things I don't quite believe... or voting Jack for suspicious buddying behaviour... or joining Epi in a vote on Dom! There's a couple of players I won't vote for, but I'll keep them to myself at least for now.

I'm feeling like trusting Eloh for now, actually. I agree with Epi's analysis of her.

I also think Sloonei is Civ. I'm 80% sure that he posted something once that made me say "I am putting this guy in the Civ column."

Hey, I missed the vote by 4 minutes. Sorry everyone. Gonna tell you who I would have voted for in a sec.

I would have voted for Jack. My posts will absolutely validate that.

We're having a Christmas party here on Dec 10, and tonight there was a lot of work on that front - as in house renovationish work. Got too involved in painting bannisters and removing carpet from stairs, and I was like "I'ts after 1?? Crap!" Sorry again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:12 am I would have voted for Jack. My posts will absolutely validate that.

Thanks for saving me, scumbuddy. Good distancing.

This is really gonna throw 'em for a loop.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:14 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:12 am I would have voted for Jack. My posts will absolutely validate that.

Thanks for saving me, scumbuddy. Good distancing.

This is really gonna throw 'em for a loop.

Crap, if Jack comes back bad if he gets lynched, then I'm going to look really bad. "I WOULD HAVE voted him but didn't, but he got lynched and was bad, and I swear I would have helped, guys, right?" LONG CON 4EVA!!!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:11 am Hey, I missed the vote by 4 minutes. Sorry everyone. Gonna tell you who I would have voted for in a sec.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:12 am I would have voted for Jack. My posts will absolutely validate that.

Two questions:
What happened in the one minute between these two posts?
Why was it important to mention that your posts would validate your vote?

1. I looked to see who the tied lynch was. I was posting with the intent to beat the lynch post, because missed-vote posts after the lynch are tainted. I knew it was tied, I knew it was Sloonei, and I suspected it was Jack, but wasn't really sure. So, I went to check to make sure I was at least fully informed of the lynch result.

2. I started by just typing the first sentence, that I would have voted for Jack, and then I thought of whether or not people would believe that or if it would look sketchy, and then I recalled that I had specifically said a Jack vote was one of my top three or four likelies, and that I had also stated I thought Sloonei was Civ. Better to let the past speak for me, than my own sputtering apology of a non-vote.

So... what options are there for this lynch not happening? Obviously stuff like the Everest extra vote aren't a factor, because ties are randomized now. So.... the Big Mountain that can pardon a lynch? I should research before I post.

Options:

Sloonei or Jack are Aconcagua.

One of them are Chimborazo and got real lucky. And have great info on a Civ.

Matterhorn is a secret so maybe? Same for Olympus Mons.

None of the Little Mountains seem to have this ability.

I would say they are 100% not both bad. That role that checks twice with one true one false might be able to leverage this info?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:56 am Ok it was Jack and Sloonei tied with 5. I have been operating under the assumption that Nutella has a vote worth two based upon events from Day 1. If this is true, then Jack would actually have had six to Sloonei's five. This would then mean that either Jack is the role that survives its first death, he could be one of the two secret roles which we don't know the powers for, or he was protected by the Sutter Buttes and had his vote decreased by one, making it a tie that swung to Sloonei who then did not die.

I find it difficult to get past Sloonei seeming to think it was a waste of time to lynch him. His phrasing read to me like a hint at what would happen. I'll pull some quotes for examples.

This lynch leaves me with a distinctly bad impression of Jack. But there are two questions I need to have answered because they could be hidden factors at play if I have misunderstood them.

Marmot: Two questions. 1. When you say "Aconcagua will survive the first attempt on its life." does this apply to either lynch or NK, whichever comes first? Or does this only apply to NK?

2. If a lynch save has been used how will it be written?

These answers can impact my view of this latest non death.

Now I am off to pull the relevant Sloonei statements... then going to sleep.

Cristobal Colon (which I somehow missed in my tally of how no one got lynched) may have had to send in a lynch-stop without knowing which of the players in the "tie" were going to be lynched. It's conceivable that Civ Sloonei just saved baddie Jack, or vice-versa.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:32 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:16 pm Sloonei is town

How did you arrive at that

A magician never reveals his secret.

But should a secretion reveal its magic?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:21 pm Voting LC for page 4 stuff that I said I was gonna vote Sloonei for.

Here speedchuck casts a vote for me just for voting Epignosis, which is the only thing I really did on page 4, unlesss talking about Spacedaisy's non-guilty post is why. Originally thought Sloonei voted Epi I guess?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:26 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

WHo the hell feels guilty about being mafia anyway?

Me.

But I always feel guilty about winning.

This could easily be a "hide out in the open" kind of post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:26 pm Wait wtf why is sloon voting on LC?

*keeps reading*

This idea is never followed up on. It was worth commenting on with a partial read, but not worth closing the idea? Or was it filler-talk?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:28 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

Oh come on

In the hypothetical that LC is putting forward, of course they'd be likely civs.

This is always a stupid argument

Stating an easy obvious strong opinion. One that a few others already had made clear. More filler? Why repeat what has been said?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.

I'm glad none of the other players in this game post empty filler.

I'm also glad that you, LC, consider every player as an option, rather than writing a few off on D1. Screw priorities, focus, or good feels. Gotta waste all that effort on evaluating every player.

Was to call out epi for his egregious behavior.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I've seen D1, regardless of epi's alignment. What's worse, IT ISN'T EVEN YOUR ARGUMENT! Sloonei brought it up and you bandwagoned!

And worst of all, there's still a strong possibility that you're town and this is just LCxEPI LOVE CHU CHU

Never really responded to this, but Speedchuck seems to imply that I should call out every empty filler post in the game... I called Epi's out because he claimed to have used it for alignment-judgement on mesk, and I thought the content wasn't there to make that call, aka something was up.

Anyway, my real analysis is that this post would be really easy to make as a baddie who knows that LC and Epi are both Civ. Hit all the right notes, easy to be sure of yourself when you know all the facts, etc. I don't see much here that makes speedchuck looks Civ to me. Also plays well as an Epi teammate if you want to look at it that way.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:52 pm Mkay

I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it. It's a stupid start to a stupid argument filled with stupidity, and the only reason Epi hasn't fought his way out of it is that he doesn't know how to defend against asininity.

(I love you guys <3 But I calls them as I sees them)

Eliminating possibilities for lynch on D1 is not a scumtell, and that's where the whole thing started. Once it became LC vs Epi, the arguments went the same way they usually do. Having caught up, I would posit that both are bull-headed town. And the strongest point against Epi is probably Nutella.

So I'm not going to vote for any of the three. Lemme see what my other options are

Could say the same here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

Well, first of all,



and again with the easy and correct analysis. "Town meta read for LC" indeed. Doubtful.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:55 pm I'm voting Nutella

Votes nutella with little to no discussion beyond mentioning her Epi argument was the best one. Three minutes after saying he wasn't voting for her.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:02 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

what about the other way around? if epi was bad.

If LC is town and Epi bad?

It's possible. LC would have basically cornered Epi out of luck, but it's more likely than LC being scum I think

Extension of previous 'solid' opinions.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm What do you think of Epi pretending to not understand the case against him and pretending LC slipped?

I get the first part. LC's initial argument is the suck. That's just Epi's way of defending against it.

As for the slip, it makes Epi look bad because it's not a slip, as I already posted. I would be willing to vote Epi for this if I hadn't seen him use the same argument last time he and someone else were town/town arguers.

Aaaaand I should probably go verify that.

So in summary: Kinda get it, and eeegh it looks bad but might not be pending meta verification

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm Eh, can't find it. I know I've seen that argument before, possibly from Epi. If it was in night vale, then

Epi's response to LC's pressure is a lot more damning than the initial stupid argument.

I guess I'd say Epi and speedchuck aren't w/w from this post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today

But this one feels like Jack and speedchuck could be.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:52 pm I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today

Might be less than random now, IDGAF

Lynch Epi or Nutella of the current options I guess. Jack I want to keep around (this is not the first game I've said this in [Might have been scum in the other game, don't remember]).

I really don't think LC is like this as scum.

Two out of three players he said he wasn't voting for are now his top suspects. More defense of me, and it's starting to really smell funny. Like, when he goes down and comes up bad, we can look back at posts like this and see a Bad Boy helping out his Bad Buddy.

Anyways, that's it for now on speedchuck's negative ISO analysis. Gotta do some real life stuff, but speedy's not looking great to me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm Eh, can't find it. I know I've seen that argument before, possibly from Epi. If it was in night vale, then

Epi's response to LC's pressure is a lot more damning than the initial stupid argument.

In Nightvale, Epi pretended to not understand/not be interested in a case against LC, who was his scumbuddy. You've seen this before but yeah, with scum Epi.

I agree the defense is more damning than the accusation but the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

@speedchuck

I don't think you ever responded to this.

I must have missed it. I'll consider epi suspishipn on those grounds.

I'm not caught up yet, but according to my mentions LC is taking a bunch of my posts out of context?
And poking at my strong and obvious opinion posts.
Those were a part of a spontaneous catch up read, and the second is just how I play, man

Why did you avoid Night Vale when ou were looking for Epi evidence, speed?