The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:44 pm LC's enitre progression on TH is just so fake and not civvy at all.

And that's where I stopped interacting with Dragomir.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:44 pm LC's enitre progression on TH is just so fake and not civvy at all.
And that's where I stopped interacting with Dragomir.
The Do Nothing Dragomir pushing his Fake News agenda yet again. This suspicion is a hoax.

Again?

I don't understand anything anyone is saying about me. Normally I love being talked about, but you guys have some dark imaginations. How does FunnyGurl even have an expectation about how I play?

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?

I would like to see these posts as well.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?
I would like to see these posts as well.
Why?

Because I always just play how I play, I don't try to play differently, or the same, I just do whatever comes to mind. I thought I'd see what Drago was saying about you held up, but it was really just a trap he was setting, and I was the idiot who fell for it. After I said I don't dance. Shameful.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?
I would like to see these posts as well.
Did you ever get back to me on a satisfactory breakdown of the false dichotomy? I may have missed some of the thread somehow.

Yes, right here.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:33 pm I don't understand anything anyone is saying about me. Normally I love being talked about, but you guys have some dark imaginations. How does FunnyGurl even have an expectation about how I play?
because of something you've said in thread apologizing for not playing much but having something to give

I too am on mobile. no I didn't suggest that I know your playstyle

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:49 pm lc you have vote on turnip head. would you consider voting anyone else atm? who's catching your fancy?

gotta town circle forming? what do you think about me?

I dunno. I'm going out for a bit.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:52 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:49 pm lc you have vote on turnip head. would you consider voting anyone else atm? who's catching your fancy?

gotta town circle forming? what do you think about me?
I dunno. I'm going out for a bit.
ight, see you later

Don't wait up!

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:19 pmFunnygurl is right on Long Con, they seem to be promising quite a bit and giving quite little.

Fake news.

Turnip Head claims to have a solid meta read on Long Con and also does not like them.

I don't even know the guy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:45 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO
This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.
This is true.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

There is no reason you should have to explain this to Turnip Head. TH was around during that time.

I was explaining it to the thread, quoting Turnip Head was simply to show what I was talking about.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:50 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:33 pm I don't understand anything anyone is saying about me. Normally I love being talked about, but you guys have some dark imaginations. How does FunnyGurl even have an expectation about how I play?
Not that hard when you are the one setting the bar for expectation level.
Why aren't you voting for LC?
That post of mine didn’t give me a reason to vote him. I was criticising his inquiry more.

Shit, I just got what you guys are talking about. I posted something about being scholarly the next day while I was drunk. I guess I missed the bar on that. Maybe don't take things like that so literally next time, and you won't have disappointingly high expectations.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:45 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.

Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.
I haven't felt like myself lately...
Have you know counters to my points about you?
False dichotomy.
While yes, I did do a false dichotomy with presenting only two options when there could be more, what is wrong with what you're doing is how you're dismissing the entire post as a fallacy even though only a part of it was. The entire reason for why I scum read you wasn't a fallacy but you keenly ignored having to explain yourself against me. If I must stress again, how does Sloonei not opening this game the say way he did in a previous game make him scum when many ppl never open the same way as well? I certainly didn't open the same way as in a previous game, you didn't either as this is the first game I've played with you where you voted for someone in your first post. So why were you being a hypocrite LC?

It's not a real read, Drago. It's made-up to try and spur on conversation in a dead thread.

Also, I don't really know what Mac was trying to say about the comment on JJJ, and I don't really care to go back, but it was way off. When I said "I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay", I was referring to "He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going", not " I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.". And I'm sorry as fuck for trying to make a funny with the Schrodinger's Player thing, don't worry, you won't be seeing anything like that again anytime soon.

Good night, everybody.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm lc, where ya at. wheres that analysis. where are those PUSHES pls man

I'm here, how's it going?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:09 pm
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Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am So, leetic... I'll do this like counting cards in Blackjack. Start at 0, +value for towny, -value for wolfy.

First post (beyond guitar vid) is criticising the level of Day 1 activity in the thread. A valid criticism, we were 7 hours into Day 1, and not one player had tried to get serious. I liked this opener. +2 (2)

Second post votes Sloonei for having three posts, 100% dedicated to setup speculation. 4 hours AFTER telling the thread to get going, with still no serious responses. I liked this as well, which is why I decided to double down the vote. +2 (4)

Third post is a little sketchy. It's nice to see the genesis of the Mikey-Sloonei thing, but leetic's calling Mikey's post "weird" doesn't check out, because Mikey isn't "calling out Sloonei for setup speculation", he's criticising Sloonei's speculation with a hypothetcal designed to reveal the pointlessness of Sloonei's discussion. -1 (3)

Post 4:
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
I quoted this one because Mikey's post is something I don't really understand. I don't see how that is, in any way, a response to leetic's question. It's a really weird response.

THEN leetic responds to Mikey... but in third person, like he's presenting Mikey's post to everyone else rather than responding to it. Also just weird, I don't really like that he specifically disengaged from the conversation, but it makes them look less than teammate-compatible, so there's that. Vote switch does please me, and makes sense, if Mikey's departure from previous town behaviour is accurate, it's a better reason to vote than Sloonei's speculation. +0 (3)... -1 for ts account.

Post 5 continues the meatiness that I am so far liking in leetic's posts. The "pocketing" discussion so far is just randomly generated by Mikey, and leetic's response to his pressing on the subject is the right response to the odd curveball.

Suspicion of tedxtr's early towncore feels good.

Radishes calls leetic out on the casual (too casual?) talk, leetic gives a reasonable response. Maybe Radishes is right, I wouldn't have noticed such a thing if he hadn't pointed it out. Slight minus on this post's score, a la Radish.

The tedxtr interactions, I don't agree with tedxtr's criticism of leetic's... whole game so far, I guess. +1 (4)

Post 6 leetic gives a list of reads with some explanation. Looks like genuine solving. +1 (5)

Post 7 Dragomir responded negatively to leetic's assessment that he was just sheeping Sloonei with no original thoughts. Dragomir's reaction to the accusation was mild defensive hostility, which is a -1 for him, and leetic's reply was a reasonable explanation and a prod toward fixing the apparent problem. Dragomir would have looked better if he had given original thoughts instead of just bristling at leetic's observation. +1 again for leetic (6)

Post 8 Dragomir doubles down on the idea that leetic is prodding him to "create random thoughts out of thin air so [he] could be original". Like, where do thoughts come from usually? Amazon? You have to, like, think about things to get thoughts. leetic shames Dragomir and casts a vote that I judge to be valid. +1 (7) Is leetic still in the lead for votes? He looks really town so far, where are the suspicions coming from?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:25 pm leetic cont'd...

Post 9, follow-up thoughts on Dragomir's bristly rebuke of leetic's suggestion that he could share some original thoughts. 0 (7)

Post 10 leetic challenges the "growing LC wagon" because no one was defending me. If leetic were bad, then he should have no problem at all with a growing town lynch. This looks very good, and I'm fine with the TMI bias I'm obviously showing. +2 (9)

Post 11 I don't really understand what tedxtr is saying here, I don't know the term "town blocking". leetic's response I don't get either... where is the monopolization of discussion happening? 0 (9)

Post 12 to clarify to Sloonei the Post 10 position on the LC votes. Casts some suspicion on speedchuck, but I don't really like the word "opportunistic" all that much. It's a big word that's pretty easy to throw around to put suspicion on people, and it's one I've used as a wolf in fake cases before. leetic says it twice here. -1 (8)

Post 13 again with the "opportunistic", and there's an "interesting" in there to boot. Dislike. -1 (7)

Post 14 is meh. Not too solvey, definition discussion and slight prod. 0 (7)

Post 15 was directed at me, asking my opinions on Mikey-Sloonei. Pretty basic. 0 (7)

Post 16 Drago and leetic snapping at each other a little, and it looks genuine to me, in that I don't think they are w/w. Drago's criticism is valid; two votes doesn't really make for wariness of a growing wagon. The "taken out of context" thing is weak. -1 (6)

Still well in the positives, a town lean at this point on leetic.

LC, can you point to any instance of your doing this exercise with anybody in the history of ever?

And why just leetic?

Yeah, I've done it a few times before, once it was the ScumDar10 system, this time it was "counting cards" style, basically the same concept of numerically rating the suspiciousness of posts.

I chose leetic because at the time he was at four votes, leading the lynch. I wanted to see if I wanted to "get on the train" or argue against it.

I've been told now that it's a stupid system that apparently does nothing but open me up to suspicion for some reason, so I won't do it ever again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:34 pm Way too much omgus in this game.

I'm more in OMGIS mode right now. [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:34 pm Way too much omgus in this game.
I'm more in OMGIS mode right now. [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
If you are town then this means you believe you are the best lynch.

Guess so.

I really don't think leetic is bad here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:42 pm I really don't think leetic is bad here.
why not?

Well, you could read my posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:42 pm I really don't think leetic is bad here.
why not?
Well, you could read my posts.
Oh right, you made a big thing about it.
I'm in the "too generous" camp.

Yeah, I read your posts.

Disappointed no one went for the hammer.

Well, good luck if you're town, leetic.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.

I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.
I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.
No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?

Bad mood.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.
I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.
No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?
Bad mood.
If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?

Probably Drago or Mac.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm @Long Con talk about your self-vote for us.
I'm going to get lynched at some point anyway.
No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?
Bad mood.
If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?
Probably Drago or Mac.
Why?

They were upsetting me the most.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:24 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:17 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:14 am

No you’re not. Or, that’s TBD. What made you decide that was the best thing to do?
Bad mood.
If yours was the only vote that counted yesterday, where would it have gone?
Probably Drago or Mac.
Why?
They were upsetting me the most.
But they don’t have votes in this exercise.

But my vote is the only one that counts in this exercise.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 amBut my vote is the only one that counts in this exercise.
Who should we vote for today?

Why don't you ask your towncore?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:35 am You are a town read, LC. I left my vote on leetic at least partially because I didn’t want you lynched. I expressed this read well before your self-vote. These are not interrogative questions. I’m just hoping to hear your voice.

I'll let you know if I hear anything.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:43 am There you go, he’s outed

Who's outed? As what?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:21 pm It wasn't that big of a thing really. Maybe I'll want to revisit it at some point but I think I've moved onto Mikey for now

*checks poll* Yup, you have.

So tempting.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:23 am Also, why no JJJ/nutella still? Who's keeping them away?

At this point, they've had no interaction with the game, unless they're casting secret votes or using night powers. Maybe they have a Grandmaster challenge going on where they win by predicting the Mafia team better than the other.... but that sounds like a lame-ass "role" to get in a Mafia game, like, "I signed up to PLAY, man!"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:03 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:08 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Turnip Head is town.
Explain your thought process on why TH is town now? I liked your point about him watching and commenting and sitting on a dead wagon. (It may have only been 1 vote off, but it had no momentum.)
He's not lying about having a town read on leetic, and the response of telling me to shove my vote up my ass looked authentic.
I never get a pass for that.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

I hear he's into Life brand cereal.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?
Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.
Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.
30% is the self-vote, 30% is his early response to suspicion, and the other 40 percent is the stuff in between. LC is like a sandwich with good filling and moldy bread.

HEY man

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?
Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.
Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.

I wish I knew how to embed this video, but: https://ifunny.co/video/9bGzHy7X7

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

Don't like this, it's a nothing statement. We can't know until the game ends. [VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm Here's a fun one: A readlist based only on people's current votes:

Good votes - MacDougall, Sloonei, Funnygurl, ts account, Epignosis
Not Good Votes - Turnip Head, Master Radishes, Long Con, TSP, Ted

Ok, is this better? [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE: radish] aubergine

I've been thinking about it, and I'm feeling a TMI vibe from radishes, he is too sure that I'm Civ.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:45 pm [VOTE: radish] aubergine

I've been thinking about it, and I'm feeling a TMI vibe from radishes, he is too sure that I'm Civ.
Are you a civ?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:53 pm It has an end date in the past

This game is WILD.

So, JJJ, nutella, I presume you guys are town-aligned? Or Indy? What have you been doing all this time? Has it been boring, or have you been silently participating the whole time? Have you cast any secret votes? Any tic-tac-toe?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

If Sloonei was roleblocked last night, with three kills, wouldn't that be a good mark on him?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:32 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
If Sloonei was roleblocked last night, with three kills, wouldn't that be a good mark on him?
I said I was a limited role blocker. Can't you read? I don't even understand my own role.

I thought that meant limited shots.

STOP!!!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:59 pm STOP!!!
Is it hammer time already?

...

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Looked like fun to do a hammer. I didn't hammer, I just put it within range.

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