The Syndicate

Not alone!

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:22 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:16 amNot alone!
Yo!

Buuuut... I'm going back to bed for an hour or two.

I'm just up to get my kids off to school. Still off work due to Covid, so I live like that while I can. Later!

Sabie rules!

TSP? Is he in your scum chat?

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:57 am Btw, I'm pretty sure he said Hi to us three cause he played with us and not the rest.

Ah, that makes sense. Only the three of us from the last game then.

I like your style, seems closer to mine then the current trend these days.

Wins/Losses, I assume.

Syn is Even Steven.

Good night!

I try not to use the word "honestly" at all in games, and when I do, I am keenly aware of its usage. Very wolfy word.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.

I can see it. Pre-slank excuse, mech chatter, and bland greetings.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.
I raise you: Enrique is a self-aligned third party bulletproof serial killer survivor.

Yeah, his obsession with hammers is starting to get uncomfortable in just that way.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm I routinely lie and manipulate as town. It's just optimal play.

Poison has told me that she often feels very uncomfortable as mafia and gets found out very quickly, and that she's generally bad at playing mafia. But in this game she feels very comfortable and fluid. I understand that a game where she is mafia has just ended; what was she like in that game?

Perfectly towny. She and her surviving teammate were lauded all game long for their locktowniness.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.
I can see it. Pre-slank excuse, mech chatter, and bland greetings.
I could see Vulgard being scum but mostly because their posting looks kinda carefully controlled to be as inoffensive and trigger people's scumdars as little as possible. I had a confused reaction to that mechanic as well so I don't blame them for the mech chatter, and I think pre-slank excuses are NAI. There are very few people (in general, but especially on the Syndicate) who roll scum and then go "alright! I'm going to go and give an excuse so I can coast through D1!" Not only is this just uncommon behavior, it's also suboptimal - you allow yourself to engage in some anti-town behavior, but in exchange you lose a lot of ability to gain trust and manipulate the town. Syndicate is not a site that is afraid to exe slankers and you will win a lot more games by powerwolfing than coasting.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.
I can see it. Pre-slank excuse, mech chatter, and bland greetings.
I could see Vulgard being scum but mostly because their posting looks kinda carefully controlled to be as inoffensive and trigger people's scumdars as little as possible. I had a confused reaction to that mechanic as well so I don't blame them for the mech chatter, and I think pre-slank excuses are NAI. There are very few people (in general, but especially on the Syndicate) who roll scum and then go "alright! I'm going to go and give an excuse so I can coast through D1!" Not only is this just uncommon behavior, it's also suboptimal - you allow yourself to engage in some anti-town behavior, but in exchange you lose a lot of ability to gain trust and manipulate the town. Syndicate is not a site that is afraid to exe slankers and you will win a lot more games by powerwolfing than coasting.

But really, I like your angle on the pre-slank excuse. Vulgard is a Champs player if I'm not mistaken, and that would apply more to that type of player more than a casual player. I think mech chatter and bland greetings do fall under the "carefully controlled to be as inoffensive and trigger people's scumdars as little as possible" umbrella.

Surely they'll be joining us at some point. My bet is after Day 1 we'll see some progress there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:06 pm Who has played with Vulgard before?
I think just the people he mentioned on the first page from G-Man's game -- Poison, TSP, and LC.
Interesting. LC was quick to jump on the idea of Vulgard being mafia.
@TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

Three courtesy posts aren't really much to go on when making that comparison. I locked Vulgard town on Night 1 in that game, so we'll see if that happens again.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:55 pm I like this entrance from FG. The energy reminds me a lot of town tutuu.

Describe the energy of wolf tutuu.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:05 pm I think somebody said I'm a Champs player. I'm not. I was a backup for the qualifier, and that's it.

My mistake!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.

Was that just a segue, or have people really squinted at you for that? Squinting = suspicion? Suspicion for claiming genuineness?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:43 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:27 pm i'm bummed 'cause both mikey and thesunfan rejected me and didn't join this game so i'm alone and that eerily resembles my real life but like it's fine though

we shall WIN THE GAME
You’re not alone, we’ll solve this game together fgal!

What’s nutella’s alignment?
she seems nice and is a mod so i'ma say lawful good

anyways we're polar opposites so i'ma deliver the hot™ take that no one thought they needed and say you're a WOLF
got 'em
I typically identify with true neutral. Sometimes LN, sometimes NG

I put some thought into it for myself the other night, and decided I'm Neutral Good. I used to think I was Chaotic Good, but I had a different idea or definition of Chaotic, and didn't consider it solely as an opposite to Lawful.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:12 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.
what kind of opportunistic hogwash is this

Of course my posts are going to talk about me when I was responding to someone specifically asking me about my play style. Bro what

I agree, Syn didn't drive the conversation to be about himself, he was responding to questions and suspicions about him.

(Despite the Lisa avatar, I guess I see "Syn" as a masculine name. Correct pronouns?)

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:24 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:22 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:14 pm actually my first real read is that vulgard is fishing 'cause look at their read on alison too

you're gonna need more to catch alison as a wolf she's a goat
What do you mean by "fishing?"
And I don't know that. I haven't seen Alison play at all.
"i don't like this entrance" "i don't like that entrance" "i don't like that read" when we're at rvs stage

it looks like you're trying to form reads and give an appearance of wolf hunting when a) it ain't really the time for it and b) your suspicions are of little substance atm

You'd be surprised at how early and frenetic the alignment-judging is these days. This is actually very tame.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:34 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:24 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:22 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:14 pm actually my first real read is that vulgard is fishing 'cause look at their read on alison too

you're gonna need more to catch alison as a wolf she's a goat
What do you mean by "fishing?"
And I don't know that. I haven't seen Alison play at all.
"i don't like this entrance" "i don't like that entrance" "i don't like that read" when we're at rvs stage

it looks like you're trying to form reads and give an appearance of wolf hunting when a) it ain't really the time for it and b) your suspicions are of little substance atm
Yeah I feel like Vulgard's takes have come off too strong for how shallow they are

Non sarcastically, how can you tell the difference?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:57 pm Lotta townies here. Only person who has pinged me is Vulgard which doesn't bode well for poor Vulgard.

You're playing? Hallelujah!

You town, bro?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:57 pm Lotta townies here. Only person who has pinged me is Vulgard which doesn't bode well for poor Vulgard.
You're playing? Hallelujah!

You town, bro?
Lol i know what you're doing and I like it

Loud and clear, mate!

Define

Oh I get it, ask me anything. Is this a new abstract reads generator?

How about "How many of the people outside of the thread are Mafia?"

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:01 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.
I actually really dislike the highlighted section. I think my read was fine and I didn't pretend it was stronger than it is. I just said I liked him doing that and he looked good off it - but this is framed as though my read is overblown and feels like it's trying to discredit the way I was reading LC. This is particularly egregious because it's in service of justifying a waffle on nutella.
I should add to this: part of the reason I hated Vulgard trying to discredit my first post read so much, other than the baseline "I think it's bad when people discredit my posts" motivation, is that it is very common for mafia, especially mafia who have never played with me, to try to undermine my first post reads by framing it as being underjustified or based on little or no reasoning.

I am on board with your reasoning here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way. The only thing I assume about this Nanook game is that the out-of-thread element is not the same as his last game, because I expect Nanook to have a bit more creativity than that. I expect, at the very least, a fun twist on it that would intentionally subvert our assumptions based on the previous game. Standard 'sequel' stuff.

That said, I can't see what value Sloonei expected from that question. There's nothing alignment-indicative about the way nutella answers this, and there's probably little relevance to this game.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:26 pm I want Vulgard to have room to breathe. So far his throat has been thoroughly jumped down. I’ve never played with him before and it’s entirely possible that the things we’re eying him for are just Vulgard playing mafia.

Now I want to tunnel you. This is a fake move. This is about Sloonei, not Vulgard.

Yeah, ok.

Is Sloonei MU Champ?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:33 pm Is Sloonei MU Champ?
I am Bargain Bin Jay no more.

That's really great! What does that mean, though, you are #1 out of the hundreds that played? How do the rankings work?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:36 pm woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

No, your name automatically turns red when you achieve that.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:39 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:36 pm woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?
No, your name automatically turns red when you achieve that.
so you're the worst mafia player on the internet!

it's an honor to play with you

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:01 pm I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

I don't think that he and Sloonei are wolves together. If Sloonei is a wolf, I have less suspicion of Vulgard. I still like your take on him, and could easily vote that way. I am not a teammate.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:15 pm I think Vulgard is playing day 1 in much the way that other people play day 1. means nothing.

On the flip side, I think Alison called out the whole scum team based on first-post-reads a few games ago. I might be remembering it better than it was though.

Still higher than pressure on anyone else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pmThis was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.

Just want to mention that it was not for no reason. It was to "try to save" the other villager who was one vote ahead of me. Admittedly, the stated reason of "he's worth more than I am alive" is questionable, but the action of giving away an elimination like that is so unwolfy, which is the position I successfully took the risk for.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:24 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:12 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.
what kind of opportunistic hogwash is this

Of course my posts are going to talk about me when I was responding to someone specifically asking me about my play style. Bro what
I agree, Syn didn't drive the conversation to be about himself, he was responding to questions and suspicions about him.
Come to think of it, you are a lot more memorable in this game than the last one. Are you more active in this one?

Yes, I am. I didn't feel like slanking, I think it's because I've gone over a week without a mafia game. Plus some old friends are playing, so that's exciting.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pmThis was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.
Just want to mention that it was not for no reason. It was to "try to save" the other villager who was one vote ahead of me. Admittedly, the stated reason of "he's worth more than I am alive" is questionable, but the action of giving away an elimination like that is so unwolfy, which is the position I successfully took the risk for.
Whatever it was, it broke me.

Remember it for the Sockys, not my last couple of scum games.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pmThis was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.
Just want to mention that it was not for no reason. It was to "try to save" the other villager who was one vote ahead of me. Admittedly, the stated reason of "he's worth more than I am alive" is questionable, but the action of giving away an elimination like that is so unwolfy, which is the position I successfully took the risk for.
It was F3, with you and the other villa at 1 votes each? The scum hammered you didn't they?

Sorry, I should have said "other villager" in quotes. I was scum. Sloonei had to choose between Tony and I, and he chose wrong. There were other variables as well, some sketchiness surrounding Tony's claimed role, which I capitalized on.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:17 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:02 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm One of Alison - Vulgard is scum probably, do not like the syn votes on page 3.
Why are Alison and Vulgard not the same alignment?
I don't think two wolves would try and tag-team a case on D1, and have such a wide divide on the logic behind it too. Alison's case has "makes sense" value behind it, while Vulgard's simply fell apart at the slightest breeze. If they wanted to establish a mis-elim as partners, Vulgard would have surely come up with something better than what he did.
I don't think mafia would try to do a miselim stunt at the start of the day tbh, but the progression was bad indeed.

Also, it's Syn's first game on the site, so it would be especially predatory for them to dive on together. Not that they really need to care about that; that's an old Syndicater perspective.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:52 pm How about "How many of the people outside of the thread are Mafia?"
This questions begs another: how many people in the thread are mafia?

And then we get to the true crux of the game: How many people in the game are mafia?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm I have a role that can kill Long Con at any time

Ha! Well, you didn't do it last time and it bit you in the ass! Just give me one phase to enjoy myself, at least.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm I have a role that can kill Long Con at any time
Dude same tho

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?
I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again
Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?
I really don't remember sorry lol
You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.
I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.

That's a late follow.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:55 pm I'm going to do a host read here and say they'll rejoin us after N1 at the very latest. Having people sign up for your game and then be unable to do anything is pretty lame.
Eh, I wouldn’t trust this host read. LC and Jay only made one appearance in AC mafia.

This is not true.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:03 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?
I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way.
Now /this one’s/ not a valid read

Hey, that's mean and not true.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:32 am tsp just be vibin

Loose and lanky.

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