The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:10 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:54 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm

Colin, did I miss something? I see you're sheeping sprityo but isn't there anything about Alison you can point to and say scum?
I want to trust Alison but she’s firmly in the can’t-ever-fully-trust camp for me unfortunately.
Strangely phrased sentence. It's like you are afraid of saying something too jarring like "I can never trust her" so you preface it with a lamentation to take the edge off. This is a mafia phrasing.
Yeah maybe

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 pm I also think it's absolutely whack that Nanook has held the vote he cast on nutella and when I was reading that stupid soup conversation in realtime I felt like I was watching wolves yapping away together.
The second part of this, yup
uh

guess colin is just openwolfing

maybe not all of mac's reads are trash

[VOTE: colin] aubergine
Okay you don't get to make statements like this without telling me why you think all my other reads are trash.
well obviously i think the thing about nanook and me and the soupreads is wrong

also your ted read is misguided imo

Okay so explain how my ted read is misguided.

For posterity, Ted claimed he was playing scummy on purpose to justify why he was getting scumread and then went ahead and got tilted out of the game for being scumread despite playing scummy on purpose. Firstly, why would Ted choose to play scummy on purpose after finally randing town, and if he randed town and decided to play scummy on purpose why would he tilted out of the game for catching flak?

Nutella how do you read Nanook?

Honestly choosing to go after Juliets here of all people feels like basically the most opportunistic scummy possible path you could take so I regret moving you out of my POE now. Also on top of that I think you realised how opportunistic it was and your wishy washy explanation following the naked vote shows guilty mind.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm I feel like this list has high town equity and have seen significant self clearing posts from all of them:

Alison
ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Juliets
Hally
Master Radishes
Poison Chan
Samusamu
staypositivefriend
Timsup2nothin
tutuu

I think this list is probably town, but I have reservations:

DrWilgy - Specifically I cannot resolve some of the angles he's taken in the game, and DrWilgy appears to have finally regathered his wim from years gone by which makes him probably the best player in the entire game ergo foolish to ever trust.
dyachei - I cannot help but feel like they would have towncleared themselves to me if they were town. Have played the game quite myopically.
Herm - The ratio that is the frequency with which I have seen them post, or mentioned vs. the impact they have left on me leaves some to be desired. I would like to see some more reasoned perspectives.
Oddmerta - Despite early clears, appears to have been overwhelmed in a way that can be struggling to find legitimate pathways as mafia, or simply just town that is coasting on being largely townread.
sprityo - Has been scummy in their meta way but I feel they have been spewed clear through TMI.

This list is essentially pure null avocado assholes that should have their feet tickled until they show us their role cards:

Long Con - I can't recall them even posting.

This list is the current POE:

Justplayingitcool - Has been scummy since the start and done really nothing to warrant a clear besides lolcat. Clearing this guy for that behaviour is ridiculous.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Meta read. Hasn't been mindmelding. Hasn't been talking to me much at all. Feels like someone who is struggling to find legitimate paths to take.
nutella - Meta read. Hasn't been mindmelding. Ignoring the fact I am scumreading her (generally when I scum read her as town she gets mad and either omgussing me or calls me out for being a dumbass).
tedxtr - Has felt off since the get go. I don't buy that he was playing scummy on purpose. If he was playing scummy on purpose why did he get upset for being scumread? Wouldn't that be the intention?

I wish Jack was here he would be tunneling nutella so hard.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Real wagons only.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:19 pm Okay so explain how my ted read is misguided.

For posterity, Ted claimed he was playing scummy on purpose to justify why he was getting scumread and then went ahead and got tilted out of the game for being scumread despite playing scummy on purpose. Firstly, why would Ted choose to play scummy on purpose after finally randing town, and if he randed town and decided to play scummy on purpose why would he tilted out of the game for catching flak?
see I somewhat follow your logic there but I mindmelded with alison on the post he made about his wolfrange being locktown, and then he mindmelded with me so

This interaction is so bad it's mind blowing. First you say all my reads are trash and when asked to explain you only bring up my reads on the soup party (so basically my read on you and Nook) and my Ted read and when pressed as to what is wrong with my ted read you tell me it actually makes sense and hide behind obvious town Alison instead. You should tell your teammates to bus you if they aren't yet Nutella. You're done for.

tl;dr - Discrediting me, off meta, not mind melding with me, taking lhf shots at juliets, hiding behind obvtown cases.

I've never seen you more obvious mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:22 pm Honestly choosing to go after Juliets here of all people feels like basically the most opportunistic scummy possible path you could take so I regret moving you out of my POE now. Also on top of that I think you realised how opportunistic it was and your wishy washy explanation following the naked vote shows guilty mind.
i'm the only person voting for her how is that opportunistic

This can't be a serious question...

You know how it's opportunistic. You need to get content out and a vote on the board. So you push on an easy target that just subbed in that you know is unlikely to push back and probably if anything will town read you for pushing her.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:20 pm juliets I know that your tone is like that regardless of your alignment but I just feel like you haven't really done the things I expect you to do as town yet. and I know you probably still haven't caught up/gotten your head really in the game yet so I'll wait for you to settle in and interact with people a bit more but I'm the opposite of inspired from your posts so far.
what are the things you would expect her to be doing as town that she is not doing now?
mostly engaging directly with more people, putting pressure on things that other people gloss over, trying to get a sense of where everyone's head is at

Exhibit a. putting pressure on things that other people gloss over, trying to get a sense of where everyone's head is at

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am Ted is playing scummy on purpose apparently lol.

Because that's what town do on day 1 coming off multiple scum rands...
I need to take a short break. I'm up to this post and just wanted to make a quick comment. I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post and another like it that tutuu posted. It doesn't make sense to me that ted would want to post scummy on Day 1 coming off other games where he randed scum. I don't understand that, @tedxtr maybe you could explain. If you already did thats fine, I'll get to it soon.

And then do I understand correctly that you voted tutuu in part because she read you as scum after you admitted that you were playing scummy? Maybe I misunderstood or maybe you've already addressed this too, if so I'll get to it.

I'll be gone for a bit and then come back and pick up where I left off.

Exhibit b. engaging directly with more people

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:54 pm Oh @nutella I almost forgot I wanted to ask you why you are scum reading me?

exhibit c. engaging directly with more people, trying to get a sense of where everyone's head is at

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:48 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:26 pm just realized that juliet replaced into fallen prince. i would gth scumread her and i dont feel like explaining why rn
I find it ironic that you would imply my town leans were no good without explanation yet you scum read me without explanation. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you're tired or have other things to do but I would appreciate some kind of explanation when you have time/energy.

exhibit d. engaging directly with more people, putting pressure on things that other people gloss over, trying to get a sense of where everyone's head is at

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine sorry pal but I gotta sheep sprit
Colin, did I miss something? I see you're sheeping sprityo but isn't there anything about Alison you can point to and say scum?

I would say somewhere between a third to half of her total posts can be characterised as posts that would get her townread by you. Several of them directed at you. Yet you think she's mafia. Your explanation doesn't stack up.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 pm I think you're probably just missing a decent amount of context on ted and assume you didn't read the chunk of the thread where he towncleared himself. I had been leaning scum on him earlier and your reasons are just outdated

I've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.

I'm disengaging because it's becoming a tunnel.

Nutella what's your read on Wilgy and how do you feel about Dyslexicon slank voting you?

Wait, you can't see me being scum with any one in your POE so I am either deepwolf or rogue?

Have you considered that I am town for that?

Why exactly are you scum reading me?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:52 pm Current opinion on Wilgy. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today

Spoiler: show
Another mostly empty ISO, but he does drop some reads, with minimal reasoning provided but at least something he can be held accountable for later

Underwhelming justification for a town lean I must say.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm Okey, page 15.

And u guys will know a new term, the "samulist"

A samulist is a list where 50% of player are antitown. Easy to learn dont think

So between justolayingitcool, poison, macdougall and nutella have to at least two antitown if not, then I'll make a fool of myself again in an English game, and I'll have to stop bragging about the readings I do in my native language and learn to play like an avocado? Meh, I'd rather go for the glory.

Justplaying isnt genuine, acting like doenst care and have some red noob mafia tipical flags.

Poison is fluffing too.much and only going for some scumhunting when being pressured, also doing too much pocketing between fluffy post.

Nutella seems oportunistic and not to much focused in scumreading.

Macdougall is my gut read, also dont liking the momentum of how he change between active and reactive, rethinking probably is the deepwolf i can read in this game, cant buy the pointed post meanwhile being up. Is still probably he being the rogue cause i can see nutella, poison and justplayingitcol as budies together in some way but not with macdougall. So rogue or deepwolf can explain my gut read.

If someone ask me.to.forget these four player probably a will look into tim and drwilgy as prob mafias.

There are a group of nai at this moment like, herm, collin, dyslexicon, fallen... Probably i'm forgetting someone

Latest post of oddmerta let me some.good vibes, weaktown. Also want to interact with him

Staypositivefriend is between null to scum and scum to null.for moments, like some post can.be genuine and others oportunistic, i think i pointed some of the oportunistics ones.

Alise is going to hard with de towncore to be deepwolfing, also like hally in that core both are town read, but i have to say that the tuutuu early game was better than the last relaxed post in these pages weak town read.

Nanook, ted and spirityo are locktown for me for momentum Pressure and how nobody disagree A lot of vague arguments.
We are reading the game extremely differently however I think you are town and it would be good if we could align. It is unfortunate that you have no meta on me and you happen to be an independent thinker. It's a bad combination that generally leads to wrongly tunneling me while others are just reading me "oh that's just Mac".
Humm, let me bait u with a question okey?

Imagine you have two big suspects in this game, the only way you can lynch your second most suspicious is with the help of your most suspicious player.

What would you do?

I don't think I've ever been a situation where I had to plea to someone I found most suspicious to get someone I find less suspicious yeeted. I am just trying to get whoever I want to kill over and pushing for everyone to vote there.

Hally can you turn into Batgirl and get mad and find mafia. This fluffiness is getting old. We need to kill people.

Coming around to dyachei being mafia here

Juliets mafia is basically a lower volume version of her town self. She also isn't much of a bussed unless asked to be so she can be found by not having pushed flipped and consensus mafia teammates.

LC please sink those pointy Canadian fangs into analysing nutella and Juliets for me plz. Juliets subbed in to Fallen Prince's slot btw.

Explain how you thought you were vanilla plz LC

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:10 pm People in my lock town reads are currently voting as such:

JPIC 1
Nutella 1
Oddmerta 1
Samusamu 1
tedxtr 1
tutuu 1
No one 1

Someone want to tell me what's wrong with this picture?
I thought about it but felt there was still time to push vanity. Will consolidate onto Colin if you wish.

Push whoever but actually push. We need to start creating viable wagons to force scum to make decisions.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:15 pm Nutella you should know extremely well that any time my “wording” makes you uncomfortable it means I’m town and I am devoting zero braincells to my play

This post made me 180 to Colin being town. Highly town mindset.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am Explain how you thought you were vanilla plz LC
Probably because my ability is very weak.

So how does one mistake a weak ability for vanilla?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 am Wait

Is LC actually scum

Well I am struggling to understand his vanilla claim and particularly his explanation so perhaps.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:59 am I am obv town

Have I convinced all of you all yet, and can I go back to sleep?

Do you have opinions on the alignments of players in this game?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:31 am Hally can you turn into Batgirl and get mad and find mafia. This fluffiness is getting old. We need to kill people.
but i like fluffing

I more meant generally not specifically you. At some point we have to crack some eggs.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 pm I think you're probably just missing a decent amount of context on ted and assume you didn't read the chunk of the thread where he towncleared himself. I had been leaning scum on him earlier and your reasons are just outdated
I've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.
Don't think ted is cleared but I have him as town. I was part of that team too.

I have yet to have anyone reasonably explain why Ted was being scummy on purpose then got upset for being called scum. Don't even think Ted himself has attempted to explain it. So until then I'm really not rating any Ted townreads.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 am Wait

Is LC actually scum
Well I am struggling to understand his vanilla claim and particularly his explanation so perhaps.
Yeh same

It’s weird af as either alignment though yeah

I mean if one didn't realise that this was a role madness game and a vanilla claim is basically obviously a lie I can see how a town could just do that. But if that was why then what's with the explanation that makes no sense?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:03 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:48 pm Scumreading nutella tbh
Why are all of your posts naked opportunism

Colin was suspicious of her before he made this post on case you missed that. The post I townread him for was him accusing her of insincerely reading him.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 pm I think you're probably just missing a decent amount of context on ted and assume you didn't read the chunk of the thread where he towncleared himself. I had been leaning scum on him earlier and your reasons are just outdated
I've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.
Don't think ted is cleared but I have him as town. I was part of that team too.
I have yet to have anyone reasonably explain why Ted was being scummy on purpose then got upset for being called scum. Don't even think Ted himself has attempted to explain it. So until then I'm really not rating any Ted townreads.
I also don't have a good explanation for this. Maybe I should weaken my ted read. I just liked the content I saw from him later on.

He is not incapable of bursts of townie mindset. He endgamed as mafia by doing just that just one game ago.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:38 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm I feel like this list has high town equity and have seen significant self clearing posts from all of them:

Alison
Dyslexicon
Juliets
Hally
Master Radishes
Poison Chan
Samusamu
staypositivefriend
Timsup2nothin
tutuu

I think this list is probably town, but I have reservations:

DrWilgy - Specifically I cannot resolve some of the angles he's taken in the game, and DrWilgy appears to have finally regathered his wim from years gone by which makes him probably the best player in the entire game ergo foolish to ever trust.
dyachei - I cannot help but feel like they would have towncleared themselves to me if they were town. Have played the game quite myopically.
Herm - The ratio that is the frequency with which I have seen them post, or mentioned vs. the impact they have left on me leaves some to be desired. I would like to see some more reasoned perspectives.
Oddmerta - Despite early clears, appears to have been overwhelmed in a way that can be struggling to find legitimate pathways as mafia, or simply just town that is coasting on being largely townread.
sprityo - Has been scummy in their meta way but I feel they have been spewed clear through TMI.

This list is essentially pure null avocado assholes that should have their feet tickled until they show us their role cards:

ColinIsCool - I don't remember a thing.
Long Con - I can't recall them even posting.

This list is the current POE:

Justplayingitcool - Has been scummy since the start and done really nothing to warrant a clear besides lolcat. Clearing this guy for that behaviour is ridiculous.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Meta read. Hasn't been mindmelding. Hasn't been talking to me much at all. Feels like someone who is struggling to find legitimate paths to take.
nutella - Meta read. Hasn't been mindmelding. Ignoring the fact I am scumreading her (generally when I scum read her as town she gets mad and either omgussing me or calls me out for being a dumbass).
tedxtr
@MacDougall why is dizzy, spf and tim so high up in your list? can help me read them?

also, i think there's a few players you have been reading in terms of midmeld ratios, is that the only way you should look at them?

you are playing with me for the first time, should you really trust me to put that high up in your list?

Dizzy feels town and is being townread by other townreads. Tim doesn't feel like he is motivated by anything other than trying to solve the game. SPF and I have very similar reads both town and mafia.

Mindmelding with some players I have meta on is a reliable way for me to solve them. Certainly not everyone. We have no flips or anything empirical yet so I am just using the tools I have.

I do believe I've played with you. Also hosted you. Also you seem town and are being town read by some of my townreads. I don't have any issues with you.

3 votes on spf has me intrigued. I don't think I've seen a single post of hers that bothered me.

I think the fact that Nutella claims Tedxtr to be one of her two top town is pretty wild frankly.

Top 2? Really?

I have about 8 players I near lock clear and Ted isn't one of them. So I struggle to believe any actual town could say he's top 2 with a straight face. There's townreading him. Then there's top 2 reading him.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:54 am nanook can be scum for this Hally push tbh

I've been thinking back and forth about it, I hated it on first sight but I didn't want to be biased and automatically scumread someone just because he scumreads my townread. But I was thinking about the way wagons were forming and how Mac helped a lot in consolidating the wagons, and his vanity wagon on Hally seriously stuck out to me. I think he's hiding there because there's a lot of uncertainty surrounding nutella/SPF/JPIC/whoever and he doesn't want to take a stance on his buddy until it becomes clearer which way the wind is blowing.

I think I'm down for a nook wagon as well.

I'm not sure it doesn't make him obvious town actually.

Why would a mafia manufacture this unless specifically all the main wagons are mafia? What benefit to going after Hally of all people? From a position of vulnerability in the POE especially.

I will add that it came after I saw a post Hally made than made me sceptical of her too so the timing was somewhat of a mindmeld.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 am
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:38 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm I feel like this list has high town equity and have seen significant self clearing posts from all of them:

Alison
Dyslexicon
Juliets
Hally
Master Radishes
Poison Chan
Samusamu
staypositivefriend
Timsup2nothin
tutuu

I think this list is probably town, but I have reservations:

DrWilgy - Specifically I cannot resolve some of the angles he's taken in the game, and DrWilgy appears to have finally regathered his wim from years gone by which makes him probably the best player in the entire game ergo foolish to ever trust.
dyachei - I cannot help but feel like they would have towncleared themselves to me if they were town. Have played the game quite myopically.
Herm - The ratio that is the frequency with which I have seen them post, or mentioned vs. the impact they have left on me leaves some to be desired. I would like to see some more reasoned perspectives.
Oddmerta - Despite early clears, appears to have been overwhelmed in a way that can be struggling to find legitimate pathways as mafia, or simply just town that is coasting on being largely townread.
sprityo - Has been scummy in their meta way but I feel they have been spewed clear through TMI.

This list is essentially pure null avocado assholes that should have their feet tickled until they show us their role cards:

ColinIsCool - I don't remember a thing.
Long Con - I can't recall them even posting.

This list is the current POE:

Justplayingitcool - Has been scummy since the start and done really nothing to warrant a clear besides lolcat. Clearing this guy for that behaviour is ridiculous.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Meta read. Hasn't been mindmelding. Hasn't been talking to me much at all. Feels like someone who is struggling to find legitimate paths to take.
nutella - Meta read. Hasn't been mindmelding. Ignoring the fact I am scumreading her (generally when I scum read her as town she gets mad and either omgussing me or calls me out for being a dumbass).
tedxtr
@MacDougall why is dizzy, spf and tim so high up in your list? can help me read them?

also, i think there's a few players you have been reading in terms of midmeld ratios, is that the only way you should look at them?

you are playing with me for the first time, should you really trust me to put that high up in your list?
Dizzy feels town and is being townread by other townreads. Tim doesn't feel like he is motivated by anything other than trying to solve the game. SPF and I have very similar reads both town and mafia.

Mindmelding with some players I have meta on is a reliable way for me to solve them. Certainly not everyone. We have no flips or anything empirical yet so I am just using the tools I have.

I do believe I've played with you. Also hosted you. Also you seem town and are being town read by some of my townreads. I don't have any issues with you.
okay although i don't and can't sheep your reads because i think most of them are coming from some sort of meta and sheeping other consensus town reads?! but thanks for telling me how you came to that conclusion.

What reads do you disagree with?

Regarding Nanook I tend to read him well. Nanook makes activity. If that activity lacks self preservation it's >rand town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:54 am nanook can be scum for this Hally push tbh

I've been thinking back and forth about it, I hated it on first sight but I didn't want to be biased and automatically scumread someone just because he scumreads my townread. But I was thinking about the way wagons were forming and how Mac helped a lot in consolidating the wagons, and his vanity wagon on Hally seriously stuck out to me. I think he's hiding there because there's a lot of uncertainty surrounding nutella/SPF/JPIC/whoever and he doesn't want to take a stance on his buddy until it becomes clearer which way the wind is blowing.

I think I'm down for a nook wagon as well.
I'm not sure it doesn't make him obvious town actually.

Why would a mafia manufacture this unless specifically all the main wagons are mafia? What benefit to going after Hally of all people? From a position of vulnerability in the POE especially.

I will add that it came after I saw a post Hally made than made me sceptical of her too so the timing was somewhat of a mindmeld.
I appreciate how you and I have been quoting the same posts and forming exact opposite reads off them the entire game, Mac.

I'll put the nook suspicion on the back burner for now. It's not happening today anyway. The response I have is that if it's like one mafia and two town in the mix of people who could die, he doesn't want to get caught on the wagon of the dead townie especially if he's already in the POE, but he doesn't want to bus and potentially help exe a buddy unless he really has to either. Hiding on vanity wagons in a contentious wagon situation is definitely a scummy move. Ted did it last game.

I would say it's not very contentious right now though. He could choose to do all manner of things. Pushing on a consensus town mid catch up off what seems to be a random spark doesn't feel like the mindset I expect of mafia nook.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:00 am Regarding Nanook I tend to read him well. Nanook makes activity. If that activity lacks self preservation it's >rand town.
ok.

How much would you be up for a JPIC wagon today? I'm shocked he doesn't have more votes and the way pressure has vanished off him is bad. He's done scummy stuff and then unabashedly done basically nothing in response to multiple attempts to get people to do things.

It's like a policy exe, except it actually has a high chance of hitting scum!

JPIC gives me little reason to defend him. I have reservations because of that. He too lacks having made any effort to appear town. He would be doing a serious disservice to his team.

I'd much rather consolidate onto Tedxtr who profiles exactly how I expect a mafia to play here after catching heat from me. I still think Nutella is likely a hit because her worldview is so opposite to mine.

I also think Nutella/Juliets has high chance to be t/w. Very high. I'd probably turbo Juliets if I knew nut was town. If there's one person I'd trust to read Juliets it's her.

I think if SPF is legitimately mafia that someone pushing her has TMI and it's distancing. I don't see any way a town with no information could consider her a top candidate personally. But obviously she doesn't have three mafia voting her. Right?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:06 am I think I'd vote nutella over ted if those are the wagons you want. What makes you think nutella is super good at reading juliets?

Nutella is super good at reading most people. Juliets isn't typically a hard person to read especially for someone with as much experience playing with her as nutella does.

I think Nutella is the mafia in the pair though. I've not seen the histrionic push on her pet cases that typifies her town play. She's shifting to where her vote best serves her. Moving from someone she established a legitimate case on to someone that I feel is very town but somehow already had two votes feels schemey to me.

Personally I think Nutella is the rogue tbh.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

I scum read your opener and have never been compelled to reevaluate you once.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:11 am Personally I think Nutella is the rogue tbh.
do you think they would play differently as 3p than their usual scum/town meta?

She is scummy in ways she usually is but I haven't been able to establish solidly viable mafia teammates through reading her ISO for spew. She is usually good for spewing a teammate or two.

Also the way she engaged me earlier in the game about the rogue felt like she was trying to downplay the need to rogue hunt because she is the rogue.

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I think Hally can be mafia here. She made a post that I see mafia make very often where they quote a town and say "I'm not against your case (JPIC) but I'd rather kill Nutella".

It's what mafia say when there are two available misyeets and they prefer to fence sit between the two.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am Also I have no fucking clue what the Rogue does so I'm just going to treat Rogues as scum and kill them as eagerly as I would any scum member. If they're SK or some shit, I want to dispose of that as early as possible.

Yes I am in fuck the rogue mindset too

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:15 am Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.
I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

This is good to know.

But why don't you have any reads? You've been here a lot and a lot of people have engaged you and read you. How can you have no reads?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:17 am I no longer endorse the Samu 3P read.

Also Mac doing it now is not suspicious because the idea of people being Rogues was brought back into his mind by my own case on Samu. The tell is when nobody has talked about Rogues at all and then you suddenly bring it up for no reason. Mac has reasons and he has been reminded of people being Rogue recently.

I actually just brought it up because it occurred to me twice prior and I hadn't mentioned it at those times. But I am in a different mindset atm and was offering nuanced nutella reads with a clear mind and players here actually listening to me.

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