The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:13 am btw my read on alisons read on me is she could easily make it as either alignment but it's pro town regardless

am I doing it right mac

Now you're on the trolley

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:58 am is EoD tonight?

I'm gonna name my son Eod and tell nobody why

Oh it's Welsh

AL_sama wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:07 am [VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Just seems like a decent candidate when I stare at my POE. Their reads on tutuu and Oddmerta look a bit cooked.
I think Al_sama is probably mafia but they are not who I want to be killing day 1.
can you expand on this??

Your read on Oddmerta felt fake. I don't super love pushing new people or people who appear to be easy chops d1 tho.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:30 pm @KZA why is that Nanook post so bad?
1. I am death tunnelling him
2. He implies "guess I'll die" is scummy then brushed me off when I asked what my wolf motivation is there
3. He is mafia
4. He's Maf with OddMerta I decided because he randomly spit that post in to the thread after Odd got some votes
5. Mac said that post gave him ball cancer and I believe in Mac at the moment

Scrotal seam

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:36 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:30 pm @KZA why is that Nanook post so bad?
1. I am death tunnelling him
2. He implies "guess I'll die" is scummy then brushed me off when I asked what my wolf motivation is there
3. He is mafia
4. He's Maf with OddMerta I decided because he randomly spit that post in to the thread after Odd got some votes
5. Mac said that post gave him ball cancer and I believe in Mac at the moment
Scrotal seam
I was in the right ballpark

Heh

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:55 am Odd, you honestly think that scum like to vote together in a situation like this?

Why would that be a thing? What logic are you supposedly employing here? This is suspicious.

This feels like fur.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:30 am If you guys wanna see 2 beautiful players talking about themselves and how great they are, please look no further than Mac & JJJ.

They are strikingly handsome, watching their banter is like staring at an Adonis smothered hot, steaming fabulous.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:37 am My first instinct is that Long Con is doing that incredulous town thing where you dismiss an idea that sounds unlikely on the surface even if it really isn't farfetched. I probably won't take that read anywhere though, because it's tiny and weak. Long Con told me not to force it.

*twitches*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:41 am To be fair I tend to think wagon formations and "wagonomics" and those sorts of things are not nearly as useful as they'd need to be to justify how often they are assessed. I just don't care much about that kind of stuff.

Generally speaking LC is correct. More often than not, particularly early in the game Mafia teammates are compelled to not be voting side by side naked. It's a common enough trope that in the absence of anything overwhelmingly pointing to the contrary it would be ok to view the pair as likely unaligned. I think him reaching for it as a defense in the way he did came off a little pleading for LC. It kinda TMI'd Oddmerta. His pleading was too earnest.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:44 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:34 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:31 amIn the last game we played, Bee Mafia, two mafia voted together for their third mafia member Day 1. This allowed them to win.

I’m not saying this is exactly the same situation, but I definitely am rethinking what “mafia wouldn’t do” after that game.
Howdy splints, would you be willing to throw together a reads list for everyone, or at least name a top 3-5 town and top 3-5 mafia? It would help to frame your current view of business.
I still got lots of pages to catch up on, but I’ll definitely try to get to it today because I think I probably have a lot of neutrals still, so looking at the list might help me.

I’m very slow today. It was a horrible night for me and today has been blah

This post is usually made by a wolf.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:43 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:40 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!
Those two be me scumreads
Oh yeah, the "Long Con vocalized his non-elimination vote" case.
And now you are voting the same as one of my other scumreads, the evidence is mounting

Who was the person voting with LC at the time?

I would agree with Oddmerta's take that LC was scummy off his entrance. I think I vocalised as much very early in the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 am
Spoiler: show
Town reads
falcon
Mac
Sloonei
Strawhenge

Semi-town reads
SPF
fingersplints
Alison
Nanook

In flux maybe town reads
Michelle
Esooa
tutuu

Defer to others "town read"
Oddmerta

POE pool
KZA
Long Con
Dom
Marmot
Tony
JPIC
BoKnows
Al_Sama
tedxtr

~~~

Which read(s) in the spoiler am I wrong about, gang?
Now THERES the syndicate POE

What does this mean?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:28 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:27 am [VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine
What are you doing?
Playing Fargo Mafia... What are you doing?

Lol I dont like this post. I do like Oddmerta here tho.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:56 pm At face value KZA’s and Nanook’s suspicion of each other is utterly uninteresting to me.

Jay you're Jaying a bit too hard lol. Relax buddeh.

This game feels like Jay and I are mafia teammates. I wonder if anyone has made that observation yet.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:33 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am Alison has hard-vouched for Oddmerta. Folks who have voted for him should speak about that.
I don't usually base my suspicions based on such things unless the speaker has mechanical info.

I think this is a lie tbh. Town LC would usually heavily rely on the reads of players he views as stronger.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:56 pm At face value KZA’s and Nanook’s suspicion of each other is utterly uninteresting to me.
Jay you're Jaying a bit too hard lol. Relax buddeh.
Perhaps. I have felt like there’s some bad communication in the thread so I’ve spent hours connecting people and getting them to clarify things. It’s not the most fun work, but someone’s gotta do it. *lifts self up by the bootstraps and topples self into the toilet*

Oh no keep doing that. You just ventured into being mean cuz ppl weren't operating to your standard territory. Which you don't mean to do cuz you're a sweet boy. So I'm just giving you a sanity check.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:59 pm This game feels like Jay and I are mafia teammates. I wonder if anyone has made that observation yet.
I think a majority of scum rn is active

How many times did you delete this post and edit it before you were comfortable enough to hit submit?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:34 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:31 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:28 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:27 am [VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine
What are you doing?
Playing Fargo Mafia... What are you doing?
I am also playing Fargo Mafia but better
LOL no you're not!
More justification for my LC town read

Almost every post you make is something that I immediately and vehemently shake my head at. This usually means you're mafia. So I would ask how serious are all these confident reads you are making? How much effort have you put into analysis?

I'll finish catching up later

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:16 pm [VOTE: toot toot] aubergine

Still yet to see anything from you that feels remotely challenging to scumread. Where's the casing brah? Where's the champ?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:17 pm My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.

Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

Town mafia Town Town mafia mafia mafia Town mafia

Ok

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:16 pm [VOTE: toot toot] aubergine
Still yet to see anything from you that feels remotely challenging to scumread. Where's the casing brah? Where's the champ?
It is counterproductive to do this every game.

Dude I don't start with your alignment and you are capable of randing mafia so what do you mean? I am supposed to just not attempt to solve you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:16 pm [VOTE: toot toot] aubergine
Still yet to see anything from you that feels remotely challenging to scumread. Where's the casing brah? Where's the champ?
It is counterproductive to do this every game.
Dude I don't start with your alignment and you are capable of randing mafia so what do you mean? I am supposed to just not attempt to solve you?
You do not need to assume I am mafia.

I am not. I am waiting for you to do something that proves you are town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:16 pm [VOTE: toot toot] aubergine
Still yet to see anything from you that feels remotely challenging to scumread. Where's the casing brah? Where's the champ?
It is counterproductive to do this every game.
Dude I don't start with your alignment and you are capable of randing mafia so what do you mean? I am supposed to just not attempt to solve you?
You do not need to assume I am mafia.
I am not. I am waiting for you to do something that proves you are town.
I am speaking generally, across all the games. This one is included, though.

It's whatever man. Just play the game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 pm

It is counterproductive to do this every game.
Dude I don't start with your alignment and you are capable of randing mafia so what do you mean? I am supposed to just not attempt to solve you?
You do not need to assume I am mafia.
I am not. I am waiting for you to do something that proves you are town.
I am speaking generally, across all the games. This one is included, though.
It's whatever man. Just play the game.

How do you have 127 posts? I've not been around for a single one.

Yeah we haven't had a chance to butt heads yet have we.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:00 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:57 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:57 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:28 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:27 am [VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine
What are you doing?
Playing Fargo Mafia... What are you doing?
Lol I dont like this post. I do like Oddmerta here tho.

Oddmerta's behavior here isn't anything to write home about
I agree but what do you stand to gain from this comment

I'm interested in why Mac liked Oddmerta over such a simple statement.

I just did.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:12 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 pm
You do not need to assume I am mafia.
I am not. I am waiting for you to do something that proves you are town.
I am speaking generally, across all the games. This one is included, though.
It's whatever man. Just play the game.

How do you have 127 posts? I've not been around for a single one.
Yeah we haven't had a chance to butt heads yet have we.

You seem more relaxed this game from what posts I have seen in my catchup

I suppose I am.

I still just think Alison's POE is >rand accurate.

Like nothing has happened since that I've seen that really made me take a scumread and go "oh wow you're town" or get too tinfoily on any of my town. Slooni and SPF remain my deepwolf candidates but I'm softening on Sloonei simply because his reaction to my sus seems less sporting and more genuinely irritated by me.

Tutuu is town. Just get on the trolley for fucks sake.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:44 am if someone knows why I'm town reading tutuu I'll say they're cool

is it because I am?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:43 am 1. Falcon - no
2. Tedextr - yes
3. Nanook - yes but lol
4. Odd - no cause shield
5. Sloonei - no
6. Esooa - no
7. Strawhenge - maybe?
8. JaggedJimmyJay - no
9. Staypositivefriend - no (don’t do it)
10. KZA - no but lol
11. MacDougall - no
12. Dom - probably not but I want to
13. Marmot - yes but we shouldn’t
14. TSP - no
15. Long Con - yes but we shouldn’t
16. Fingersplints - probably not idk
17. Tutuu - no
18. JPIC - yes but we shouldn’t
19. Michelle - yes
20. Alison -no
21. BoKnows -no
22. Al Sama -yes but D1 shield

So one of those like two names idk I’m starting to agree with tutuu on the gamestate

Your yes but we shouldn't tier makes me sick. You are openwolfing surely. It's like you started this game with "I want to be as pro wolf as I can openly because nobody will be able to reconcile it as logical" as your game strategy.

Who the fuck is D1 shielding Al Sama?

Are you literally just saying we should be chopping between Ted and nanook?

I cannot allow you to pass Go man. You are tilting me so hard and have done so all game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 am I still don’t get the amount of resistance towards oddmerta upon an iso dive

Also, quite shocked to wake up to someone saying “I can’t parse what you mean by “he’s having trouble finding a tunnel for genuine reasons” “

???

Oddmerta is pushing on scummy people and not against any of the townie people and not doing any pushing or shielding in a way that feels performative.

When someone's reads are >rand accurate and scummy enough to be getting wagoned that is a town 99/100 times.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:48 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:44 am if someone knows why I'm town reading tutuu I'll say they're cool
is it because I am?
no

Btw how much do u trust my spf read

btw I'm drinking

what is your read?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:43 am 1. Falcon - no
2. Tedextr - yes
3. Nanook - yes but lol
4. Odd - no cause shield
5. Sloonei - no
6. Esooa - no
7. Strawhenge - maybe?
8. JaggedJimmyJay - no
9. Staypositivefriend - no (don’t do it)
10. KZA - no but lol
11. MacDougall - no
12. Dom - probably not but I want to
13. Marmot - yes but we shouldn’t
14. TSP - no
15. Long Con - yes but we shouldn’t
16. Fingersplints - probably not idk
17. Tutuu - no
18. JPIC - yes but we shouldn’t
19. Michelle - yes
20. Alison -no
21. BoKnows -no
22. Al Sama -yes but D1 shield

So one of those like two names idk I’m starting to agree with tutuu on the gamestate
Your yes but we shouldn't tier makes me sick. You are openwolfing surely. It's like you started this game with "I want to be as pro wolf as I can openly because nobody will be able to reconcile it as logical" as your game strategy.

Who the fuck is D1 shielding Al Sama?

Are you literally just saying we should be chopping between Ted and nanook?

I cannot allow you to pass Go man. You are tilting me so hard and have done so all game.
No I said Michelle and Ted smh

So yes but lol is not choppable?

What is your deal in this game. I've never seen you play this way as either alignment.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 am I still don’t get the amount of resistance towards oddmerta upon an iso dive

Also, quite shocked to wake up to someone saying “I can’t parse what you mean by “he’s having trouble finding a tunnel for genuine reasons” “

???
Oddmerta is pushing on scummy people and not against any of the townie people and not doing any pushing or shielding in a way that feels performative.

When someone's reads are >rand accurate and scummy enough to be getting wagoned that is a town 99/100 times.
You think JPIC is a wolf?

JPIC >1000 posted in the GOC as town and he is incapable of replicating that level of WIM as mafia. He is a polarised player to me until I see evidence to the contrary. He is cement set in his mafia meta in this game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 am Mac you’ve said this in every game I’ve played where I’m town for the last six months and I do not care

Citation needed. Show me one example and I'll relent. My only memory of scumreading you was being the only one to scumread you correctly in the game you just endgamed and won as mafia.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:09 am I'm currently in the lead with votes, should I claim?

you won't be dying on my watch pilgrim

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:11 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:52 am Just sitting here, minding my own business, waiting for Mac to scumread me for getting on his nerves

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:54 am @TonyStarkPrime you keep avoiding me you're mafia

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:55 am is what I was going to write before I entered the thread and read that last post and was like 'holy shit TSP is a god of some kind' then i wrote it anyway because lol
here's an actual interaction we literally had in GoC. you voted for me on day 2, I was town, you were town, blah blah blah.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... &start=100
Here's a link to your abdimals iso where you say I'm probably town but I'm acting antitown because my reads are bad and I'm confusing you and then you lead a push and get me chopped anyways. we are both town.

these are the only two t/t games we've had that I found in x amount of time. you also scumread me in my champs game but I can't prove it because I can't search your name, and I remember establishing this read a long time ago because we turboed once on MU and I thought you were a wolf because you TRed me (this was correct)

Access denied.

I am not 100% convinced KZA is mafia.

I meant. Now convinced. He is mafia. Fucking typo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:26 am I meant. Now convinced. He is mafia. Fucking typo.
What gives you this confidence?

the way he handled a certain someone I have a godread on

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:16 amI'm sad

drink more

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:13 am Yea mafia is just a game u shouldnt take it so seriously and ppl who think theyre really good at it have opinions that are opposite of the truth, nobody is really good at mafia

come on now lol

yeah don't drink more, go to bed

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:20 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:13 am Yea mafia is just a game u shouldnt take it so seriously and ppl who think theyre really good at it have opinions that are opposite of the truth, nobody is really good at mafia
come on now lol
Nobody has that much >rand accurate reads d00d, the only outcome of people thinking theyre good at the game is games ending up in toxicity / frustrations

It feels good to think ur good at the game and everyone has great games but nobody is consistently good at the game

that's not what you said tho lol

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:14 am If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

My what sorry

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