The Syndicate

Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:53 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:46 am Calling my takes garbage is too much and uncalled for

Its just a game that u take way too seriously and u become abrasive as a result
What do you mean way too much? It isn't a personal attack, so it clearly doesn't step over conduct lines. I think your reads are bad, I make that opinion clear, and you respond by AtEing at me. If you wanna call that abrasive or think that I take mafia too seriously because I try my best to play well then go ahead, but there's a reason that people tend to follow my reads more than yours and it's because I make my reasoning for those reads transparent and logical. If you refuse to explain your most against-consensus reads then nobody will agree with you on them, and complaining about how you're being discriminated against just because you don't agree with the rest of the thread doesn't help town get there on mafia. So you're anti-town.

Im assuming it was here that everyone realised Alison and Tutuu were town

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:14 am If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.
My what sorry
Weren't you arguing that JPIC is super polarized and will be outed as the game goes on anyway? Or am I misremembering?

I was saying he was polarised and is likely just mafia. I didn't say the other parts.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"
Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.
I mean

Hard to say but I think if I were mafia I'd be pretty happy with my position tbh

Can't speak for him but I'm not scumreading you because you're trying a fair bit.

[VOTE: Al Sama] aubergine

There are too many slots that already need death.

Yeah I can see that.

The changing tides. The wolf teammate wants to swim with them. Could be.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

Michelle is town either way imo

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am Michelle is town either way imo
Why?

She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am Michelle is town either way imo
Why?
She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.
Okay, I'm not familiar with her game how does she post when she's scum?

Uneasily. Infrequently. Not overtly badly but generally townies will be weary of her from the get go so she gets POE fucked most of the time when mafia in my experience because she can't explode and post herself clear and she is also not an exponent of distancing.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 am tony is scummy as town and towny as maf

He is towny here in every way except the directions he is aiming.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:01 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 am tony is scummy as town and towny as maf
He is towny here in every way except the directions he is aiming.
I think that hes scummy here so hes town

You are levelling the fuck out of yourself.

Not saying you've arrived at the wrong result but he has looked objectively townie to me. For me my issue with him has been he has pushed on people I've viewed as townie for little reason and likewise shielded others in really obtuse ways. This just makes me think he's powerwolfing badly. He has yet to make a read that didn't make me recoil with cringe.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:06 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:04 am Okay well Mac's and Alison's posts about Michelle blend in well with together, but tutuu's comment about how she wouldn't defend a teammate so weakly is meh to me. This lobby is so big that I'm not really willing to change my vote because a universally town-leaned/read player doesn't think they're scum
So you are scum with Al.

I see.

As Tutuu called.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:07 am I'm not saying my Joseph impersonation is scary good but I will say if I heard it in my house I'd be under the bed shaking in terror

You lost me. What?

I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:09 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:59 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:53 pm well u seem to be taking stuff rly seriously from my pov and u seem to wanna die so it makes me think ur maf
I can't seem to change anything so I gave up

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:06 pm this sucks I'm getting more town reads by posting complete garbage I didn't even think about than when I tried to play serious
kza still obv town

He did a thing that makes him DEFINITITELY either mafia or town but I can't figure out which. Like he made a read that was either TMI or so anti opportunistic it made him town. I really don't know which so its sadly null. It's a beautiful mess of a read.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:09 am I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.
I think I fool you every time

God damn it why would you do this?

Damn it JPIC now you're being townie

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:11 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:09 am I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.
I think I fool you every time
God damn it why would you do this?
you’re fun to play mind games with

I see.

Well as they say. The scarecrow walks at midnight.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am Also I still think bo is town
Al gets wagoned by a bunch of strong, loud townies -> BK is like "hmm I guess I'll ISO Al" -> "Yeah Al's ISO is really unimpressive. I guess I'll vote him". No real fierceness/conviction, and I don't get the "gotcha!" feeling of a town who thinks they've just nailed a mafia after reading an ISO.

-> Completely unrelated conversation about Michelle -> "Actually sorry I don't wanna vote Al after all, I'd just be sheeping someone else and I think this lobby is big enough that I can have my own reads."

This is a scum pattern. Note that Bo is voting Oddmerta (who coincidentally happens to be a big competing wagon to Al), not Michelle. So all that crap about not being convinced by me and Mac's towncases on Michelle doesn't follow logically. And even if he mixed up his own vote and thought he was voting Michelle, I think Michelle is obvious town who looks like an easy misexe and is a trap for mafia to fall into. So if he's voting a top townread of mine to save someone in my bottom POE I hate that too and think it's teammate indicative.

This is such a mic drop lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am Also I still think bo is town
why
Honestly

I don't think he can manage this game as mafia

I've seen him do better as mafia than this. Not here but my first experience with him he was mafia and he didn't go belly up. I understand your reasoning but it can just be that he's more participatory in this game. Alison's points are too good for you to be ignoring them off bad meta though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:14 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:11 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:09 am I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.
I think I fool you every time
God damn it why would you do this?
you’re fun to play mind games with
I see.

Well as they say. The scarecrow walks at midnight.
when the fox does not reach the grapes it says they are unripe

Thats just objectively untrue

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:18 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:16 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.
In Fallout I said that he seemed scummy because he was machine gunning out hot takes to try to match his town meta. I didn't put much genuine effort into figuring out how correct that analysis was because I was Metzger, but he did end up flipping scum. I think he is playing up his "says confusing things" persona a little too much here, in a very similar way.

Also his vote on Michelle was a total wolf move. I am happy to vote him out.
Out of all the egregious things Tony has done, I don't think him asking people to vote Michelle was one of them
Michelle is egregiously town. I know it. Mac knows it. Sloonei knows it. Jay knows it. All of these people are town. I think if TSP was town, he'd know it too. Or at least put more weight into our opinions. It was a very naked flash wagoning attempt on someone who is almost certainly a townie to save a scummy slot. And I hate that.
I get that (I think Michelle town too), but I think Tony would have provided an easier option than going against the consensus like that. I scum read Tony too but it was one of his plus points I think
If Tony is in a bind (eg. if most or all of the scum team is POE'd) then I think he is forced to widen the POE. He can't just go after the easiest LHF because those slots are either his teammates or people who when removed from the game will leave his teammates as the most suspected slots. Voting Michelle might be a desperation move.

Bingpot

Why do I get the feeling a small handful of us have the Mafia by the scrote but we won't kill enough of them before we all die and then the ones left will coast?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am Also I still think bo is town
why
Honestly

I don't think he can manage this game as mafia
I've seen him do better as mafia than this. Not here but my first experience with him he was mafia and he didn't go belly up. I understand your reasoning but it can just be that he's more participatory in this game. Alison's points are too good for you to be ignoring them off bad meta though.
They're good for a player who thinks like Alison does, i don't think bo is that player

So, meh

Her arguments don't require Bo to be anything?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:24 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 am Also, like, his response to Alison just now was a+ stuff tbh
The hugging emoji? Why?
Zero desire to push back against a read that's in that moment being parroted as a strong one by mac

No selling reads is like the first tactic you check viability for in this scenario. It's like my mafia go to. Overdefensiveness is obvwolf shit to even pleb wolves. That reaction is the correct play as wolf because its NAI not because its townie.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am Also I still think bo is town
why
Honestly

I don't think he can manage this game as mafia
I've seen him do better as mafia than this. Not here but my first experience with him he was mafia and he didn't go belly up. I understand your reasoning but it can just be that he's more participatory in this game. Alison's points are too good for you to be ignoring them off bad meta though.
If I'm mafia vote for me

Thats silly. I'm currently using my vote to support a wagon pushed by a town player with a stronger hold on the gamestate than me on someone that's scummier than you. If I had a spare one maybe I'd humour you brosephusinephistopheles.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:27 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:27 am what happened in zelda mash?
I stomped mac

You sure did. Well done Nanook. Well done.

God when I did I forget I'm supposed to be funny.

Thats it. You've all held me back long enough. I'm going to mafia clown college.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:27 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am Also I still think bo is town
why
Honestly

I don't think he can manage this game as mafia
I've seen him do better as mafia than this. Not here but my first experience with him he was mafia and he didn't go belly up. I understand your reasoning but it can just be that he's more participatory in this game. Alison's points are too good for you to be ignoring them off bad meta though.
If I'm mafia vote for me
Thats silly. I'm currently using my vote to support a wagon pushed by a town player with a stronger hold on the gamestate than me on someone that's scummier than you. If I had a spare one maybe I'd humour you brosephusinephistopheles.
How can someone be scummier than me when you said "I've seen him do better as mafia than this". That is implying that you know I'm mafia.

No I am saying I've seen you as mafia look less mafia than you do here.

All I am saying is that you not going belly up isn't a reason to townread you tbh.

Here's the thing.

If Alison, Mac, Jay, Sloonei are all town here.

It wouldn't be fun being a wolf.

Who isn't being their usual fun engaged towny selves?

Find me some wolves with answers.

LC
TSP
Marmot

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:31 am no, but for real, apart from alison's explanation, why are people voting marmot?

What in the actual fuck?

Why do you give the faintest shit?

Wolves.

Please.

If you don't bus on d1 here you're going to die to the house of cards effect.

Your only path to wincon is to sacrifice your weakest player right now.

Stop trying to kill townies lol.

*Glances nervously at Al Sama and Oddmerta wagons*

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:31 am no, but for real, apart from alison's explanation, why are people voting marmot?
What in the actual fuck?

Why do you give the faintest shit?
because he was one of my few isos that i've looked into and i came up with a slight town read and just don't see any reason to vote for him

Its two random votes in amongst wagons everywhere and from your perspective those votes might not even mean anything? What a weird thing to focus on lockwolf I won't be able to chop d1 Ted.

HEY TWO PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY ARENT HERE WHY ARE YOU VOTING MARMOT OF ALL PPL MARMOT IS SLIGHTLY TOWNIE

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU OUTED AS SHIT NERD MAFIA LOL

I am now anchoring ted to the bottom of my readlist until he is dead.

Black will be his colour in the rainbow. Not red. Black.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:32 am Here's the thing.

If Alison, Mac, Jay, Sloonei are all town here.

It wouldn't be fun being a wolf.

Who isn't being their usual fun engaged towny selves?

Find me some wolves with answers.
im trying to find the words to voice my reaction

maccie, im afraid if u will perceive my reaction as disrespectful and i dont want that because thats not my intent, so can you please believe me that its not my intent and promise me not to have an overly negative reacion to my reaction to this?

Whatever you think is a correct response isn't. No wolves are able to operate with comfort when those 4 ppl are town. I don't care about your compulsive desire to shit on peoples hubris lol.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:41 am are you finding it unreasonable?

No not at all quite reasonable keep at it.

That said say what you think Tutuu its a game. Feeling the need to protect my fragile ego is more offensive than any real reaction you could have to that post.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:44 am i have fooled all 4 of these people as mafia and i didnt feel particularly threatened by any of those 4

i understand the basis of the read and fair enough. like it could be correct read. i just dont think anyone in this game is that >rand good, myself included

Yes but I know you are town so I immediately disqualified you from the pool of possibility and am left with only people who would say "fuck fuck fuck" due to the rand.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:32 am Here's the thing.

If Alison, Mac, Jay, Sloonei are all town here.

It wouldn't be fun being a wolf.

Who isn't being their usual fun engaged towny selves?

Find me some wolves with answers.
on the contrary it’d be more fun

Do we make our now or is there more dramatic build up first?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:42 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:41 am are you finding it unreasonable?
No not at all quite reasonable keep at it.
if you're trolling : how is it unreasonable?

if you're not trolling : reaction tests don't work on me

The mindset required for you to take issue with that wagon requires the following steps.

1. Need to ISO Marmot
2. Discovery that he is slightly townie
3. Observation that he has a wagon
4. Recognisation that it requires flagging

My issue is in point 3 and 4.

Problem the first. SPF and Michelle are not present to answer you. That is very apparent. So nobody currently wagoning rodent boy can even answer. Which makes your question an effort in posturing.

Problem the second. Who cares about someone having a 2 vote wagon containing people that may not even be up to date on the haps in a composition where there are multiple wagons greater than said number?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:47 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:45 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:44 am i have fooled all 4 of these people as mafia and i didnt feel particularly threatened by any of those 4

i understand the basis of the read and fair enough. like it could be correct read. i just dont think anyone in this game is that >rand good, myself included
Yes but I know you are town so I immediately disqualified you from the pool of possibility and am left with only people who would say "fuck fuck fuck" due to the rand.
i understand - your read could/is valid. i just cant stand overconfidence, you did say it yourself. just a huge pet peeve

Having self esteem isn't a bad thing Tutuu. It's kind of sad that you view it that way.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:08 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:59 am Let's play a game:

Is this low-hanging fruit, or is this a justifiable suspect?

AL_sama
BoKnows
fingersplints
JPIC
KZA
Long Con
Marmot
tedxtr

I extract these specific names because they strike me as applicable to the question -- either facing generic suspicions or otherwise pretty blank slates.
Down the line:
1
2
Neither it’s a trick question
1 for some reason
2
Actually feeling 2 but idk why
1
1
Why is Al_sama town?
LHF \neq town

Okay.

Here's the thing.

You and I are completely polarised in our reads.

If yours are correct then that means substantial shit.

So I ask again how confident are these reads. Are you overpromoting them for a town benefit you can articulate? Because if you are town you are either supremely wrong for some reason or I am and if I am then I am heavily pocketed and promoting scum wincon right now and need to figure out if I am.

The problem is that the potential pocketeers are just so brutally obviously town to me. I just am going to find it so hard to see otherwise.

So the outlier is that not only am I wrong but Alison, Jay, Sloonei and other more consensus contributors are all wrong and you are right. There are no wolves that profile as wolves in that scenario that make sense.

The only possibility that makes any sense is you are just hyping your shit reads and know they are baseless but are pushing them anyway for some reason as town or mafia.

If town. Stop it lo.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:31 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.
I trust Al
And the wagon grew too fast
That argument is used to indicate that someone on the mafia team is wagoning Al to save their teammate (here proposed to be Marmot). Who on the Al wagon is mafia?
I don't agree with that it needs to be a save. Mafia jump on town wagons all the time without it being a save.

Town to mafia on the Al wagon: Alison, tutuu, JJJ, Joseph. Joe has looked better and worse to me today, depending on the post.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:46 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.
i think this is w/w
I had the same feeling.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am Michelle is town either way imo
Why?
She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.
Ugh. This is one of the "worse" posts.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:11 am @Long Con @TonyStarkPrime you just wolfed very recently with jpic and towned with him in goc

what are ur reads on him again? u should have the freshest meta knowledge
It might have been the early game development, but I found JPIC to be the most uncomfortable as mafia on the team. He had the ability to gladiate a town player and it always seemed too risky (until it wasn't)...I recall talking several times to him about how he would need to show his shining town self in order to set up a good Duel, but he was not fully able to produce that IMO.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:20 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:08 am Also I still think bo is town
why
Honestly

I don't think he can manage this game as mafia
I've seen him do better as mafia than this. Not here but my first experience with him he was mafia and he didn't go belly up. I understand your reasoning but it can just be that he's more participatory in this game. Alison's points are too good for you to be ignoring them off bad meta though.
If I'm mafia vote for me
Is this a teammate whose ability is inferior to Al_sama's?

For what its worth I recognise your disgust with me misreading you as your town reaction.

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