The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

Putting a downer on town and being frustrated with the results ay? Nah I don't buy it.

Oh gee you don't agree with my case I wonder why

"case"

No offence but you haven't made a case. You've made an incorrect observation.

Like, I am not sure how being suspicious of "too good to be true" outcomes is somehow a Mafia thing to've done. I am sure that most would agree that as Mafia in that situation they'd be all "oh yay look at us winnn".

In my opinion, it wouldn't take much to rationalise that behaviour as town, therefore at worst making in null, so for you to hang your hat on it to the point where despite all the prevailing "town tone" stuff you see you feel the need to raise it as though it's compelling enough to put me in a list makes me feel like you are just plain faking it to look like you are actually case making.

Anyway there's not much value in hammering speedchuck much more. There's clearly some "deep wolf" as they say (it's DharmaHelper).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:52 pm Anyway there's not much value in hammering speedchuck much more. There's clearly some "deep wolf" as they say (it's DharmaHelper).

Do you bite your thumb at me sir?

You appeared from nowhere to respond to that one eh?

Define "from nowhere."

That sounds like a waste of my time.

You built a shoddy case on LC for distance and didn’t expect a wagon to balloon as it did due to other suspicions. You were prepared though since you knew he’d survive.

Oh hallelujah.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.

It's an excellent theory.

DharmaHelper bussed Long Con knowing that Long Con wouldn't actually get lynched, knowing that they had a resurrection in the team for cred. You are just trying to make it sound stupid when it's actually a completely sane thing to expect you to have done.

Firefly, Golden and Enrique lynch. Need I remind you. Scum do scum things. Scum don't do basic things. You keep insisting that the scum here are doing basic things like trying to save long con and such. Scum don't do shit like that and you know it. The scummiest part of what you are doing is actually doubling down and refusing to accept these points as logical.

So DharmaHelper.

You just "happened" to pick LC out of the whole game and lo and behold he's scum.

You believe his most likely allies to be those that tried to save him (which I cannot see any evidence of you actually investigating and naming anyone).

You believe that I am bad because I suggested that dead scum might have faulty role reveals and that as a result it makes sense for me to have resurrected INH?

You think it's dumb for anyone to suggest that maybe you were distancing LC and that maybe you knew he wouldn't get lynched?

You think all of this means you are the towniest player in the game.

Despite being the towniest player in the game, you were not killed and in fact Epi was? You are making a target of yourself, yet you remain alive?

Speedchuck has you as a town read in his reads list as "is town because he is", the only person who scumchuck actually has no justification for his town read on.

All of the aforementioned is dumb, you are responsible for dead LC and should be glorified because forums Mafia is a basic game and everything is always as it seems?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:22 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.

It's an excellent theory.

DharmaHelper bussed Long Con knowing that Long Con wouldn't actually get lynched, knowing that they had a resurrection in the team for cred. You are just trying to make it sound stupid when it's actually a completely sane thing to expect you to have done.

Firefly, Golden and Enrique lynch. Need I remind you. Scum do scum things. Scum don't do basic things. You keep insisting that the scum here are doing basic things like trying to save long con and such. Scum don't do shit like that and you know it. The scummiest part of what you are doing is actually doubling down and refusing to accept these points as logical.

OK Mac cool theory my guy.

1. I Bussed Long Con out of the blue ass nowhere, making a case against him.
2. Instead of moving my vote when there was a fuckin' million-way tie I kept it on Long Con all day

Why did I do these things? Why did I out myself, Long Con, and the existence of a lynch stop? There's a vast difference between "risky, complex plans" and "stupid dumb shit"

Why would Scum DH do that?

Why would scum DH hard distance a teammate (who had a lot of players scum reading him btw, yours truly included), and then bus him on a lynch that failed?

Really?

You need me to explain that?

The better question is what scum player wouldn't do these things?

Is it posssible that DharmaHelper did in fact freakishly nail Long Con? Absolutely it is.

Is it possible that DharmaHelper is glowing in his own glory and that is what is causing him to double down on everything and completely ignore any speculation that he bussed LC? Absolutely it is.

It is absolutely possible that DharmaHelper is town in this, but it is also absolutely possible that he is not.

For me, there are no other players that have as much chance of flipping Mafia outside of speedchuck and INH.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:31 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:22 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.

It's an excellent theory.

DharmaHelper bussed Long Con knowing that Long Con wouldn't actually get lynched, knowing that they had a resurrection in the team for cred. You are just trying to make it sound stupid when it's actually a completely sane thing to expect you to have done.

Firefly, Golden and Enrique lynch. Need I remind you. Scum do scum things. Scum don't do basic things. You keep insisting that the scum here are doing basic things like trying to save long con and such. Scum don't do shit like that and you know it. The scummiest part of what you are doing is actually doubling down and refusing to accept these points as logical.

OK Mac cool theory my guy.

1. I Bussed Long Con out of the blue ass nowhere, making a case against him.
2. Instead of moving my vote when there was a fuckin' million-way tie I kept it on Long Con all day

Why did I do these things? Why did I out myself, Long Con, and the existence of a lynch stop? There's a vast difference between "risky, complex plans" and "stupid dumb shit"

Why would Scum DH do that?

Why would scum DH hard distance a teammate (who had a lot of players scum reading him btw, yours truly included), and then bus him on a lynch that failed?

Really?

You need me to explain that?

The better question is what scum player wouldn't do these things?

Yeah I need you to explain that's why I asked you to explain.

Scum DH would hard distance and then bus a teammate who had a lot of players scum reading him ergo likely to be dead soon in order to appear like a glorious townie, which is the primary thing that scum players of forums Mafia aim to look like.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:37 pm Is it posssible that DharmaHelper did in fact freakishly nail Long Con? Absolutely it is.

Is it possible that DharmaHelper is glowing in his own glory and that is what is causing him to double down on everything and completely ignore any speculation that he bussed LC? Absolutely it is.

It is absolutely possible that DharmaHelper is town in this, but it is also absolutely possible that he is not.

For me, there are no other players that have as much chance of flipping Mafia outside of speedchuck and INH.

You said smarter shit when you were shitposting.

Your outright dismissal of the validity of the point makes you look worse actually. So too does the fact that you have now started earnestly defending yourself from me when you've spent most of the game subtly implying you think I am bad.

For me to be measured on "smarts" implies that I am town no?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:41 pmBut why.

Because looking like a civilian, when one is Mafia, prevents one from being lynched and/or night killed by civilian players DharmaHelper.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:48 pm I'm humoring you by even addressing the point at all. By even bothering to dismiss it.

The poll was tied/tight, Mac. Why would I maintain my vote on Long Con, and not build or pursue any other cases/suspects, if it meant that Scum DH could A) Keep his cred and B) Keep the lynch stop.

Is that so Mr. Dismissy Pants.

Option 1- For civilian cred and/or wifom reasons
Option 2- Because the other primary option was also Mafia
Option 3 - Because you are town and you just knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bad

You aren't going to convince me that my point is irrational dude, because if I was Mafia I would have done exactly what I am speculating that you did, for the reasons I have already outlined. It is not a criticism. I am awarding you the credit of presuming your scum play to be on the level of my own, which is something that I take pride in.

If I was a civilian, and I had a sick angle on Long Con would I have done what DH did? Yes.

If I was Mafia, would I have done was DH did and distanced LC, bussed him and tried to mop up cred? Yes.

The fact that you voted for LC isn't suspicious in isolation. It's that you immediately proceeded to put forward people that "saved him" or "rezzed INH" as chain lynches, which I feel like is what a Mafia player who just buried a scum teammate would do to try to keep the heat off of themselves.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:55 pm Switching my vote to a different wagon has the benefit of A) Saving Long Con my super cool teammate and B) Potentially gaining a Hallow but I did neither because I like outting my teammates and wasting our lynch stop wow good theory.

Cool attempt to make me look dumb to those skim reading.

Switching your vote to another wagon would have the affect of having every civilian paying attention go ... "LOL DH IS MAFIA HE JUST SAVED HIS TEAMMATE". Doing so is never an option for a Mafia DH who was playing the distance game. More of the same simplistic logic...

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:57 pm If I was a civilian, and I had a sick angle on Long Con would I have done what DH did? Yes.

If I was Mafia, would I have done was DH did and distanced LC, bussed him and tried to mop up cred? Yes.

The fact that you voted for LC isn't suspicious in isolation. It's that you immediately proceeded to put forward people that "saved him" or "rezzed INH" as chain lynches, which I feel like is what a Mafia player who just buried a scum teammate would do to try to keep the heat off of themselves.

.....or what a civilian would do if he thought "Wow there were a bunch of weird wagons that lynch I wonder if one or two might have been an effort to stop the LC lynch without burning the lynch stop itself"

Wow wild how that works.

I am a civilian. I did not have the immediate reaction of going "oh wow the Mafia would have definitely tried to save LC there". In fact I had the immediate reaction of going... "I wonder if DH just went too far distancing" and then you proceeded to say everything I imagine you would have said if that were true.

Civilians of Hogwarts.

When the LC situation occurred, was your immediate reaction "LC's teammates would have tried to save him there."?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:02 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:57 pm If I was a civilian, and I had a sick angle on Long Con would I have done what DH did? Yes.

If I was Mafia, would I have done was DH did and distanced LC, bussed him and tried to mop up cred? Yes.

The fact that you voted for LC isn't suspicious in isolation. It's that you immediately proceeded to put forward people that "saved him" or "rezzed INH" as chain lynches, which I feel like is what a Mafia player who just buried a scum teammate would do to try to keep the heat off of themselves.

.....or what a civilian would do if he thought "Wow there were a bunch of weird wagons that lynch I wonder if one or two might have been an effort to stop the LC lynch without burning the lynch stop itself"

Wow wild how that works.

I am a civilian. I did not have the immediate reaction of going "oh wow the Mafia would have definitely tried to save LC there". In fact I had the immediate reaction of going... "I wonder if DH just went too far distancing" and then you proceeded to say everything I imagine you would have said if that were true.

Basing your read of me off shit you'd do and not shit I'd do means you aren't worth my time anymore. I'm good. Later on.

I think that you play the game similarly to me. I have played with you in many games. I am not basing this off nothing. I like the way you play.

Also when I tried to connect your play to my knowledge of your play before you shat on that too. So effectively you are saying that I don't know how you play. That's okay, maybe I don't. If that's your argument against my point, then that's it. Of course I don't expect you to just say "you're right Mac, I am bad."

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:07 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:02 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:57 pm If I was a civilian, and I had a sick angle on Long Con would I have done what DH did? Yes.

If I was Mafia, would I have done was DH did and distanced LC, bussed him and tried to mop up cred? Yes.

The fact that you voted for LC isn't suspicious in isolation. It's that you immediately proceeded to put forward people that "saved him" or "rezzed INH" as chain lynches, which I feel like is what a Mafia player who just buried a scum teammate would do to try to keep the heat off of themselves.

.....or what a civilian would do if he thought "Wow there were a bunch of weird wagons that lynch I wonder if one or two might have been an effort to stop the LC lynch without burning the lynch stop itself"

Wow wild how that works.

I am a civilian. I did not have the immediate reaction of going "oh wow the Mafia would have definitely tried to save LC there". In fact I had the immediate reaction of going... "I wonder if DH just went too far distancing" and then you proceeded to say everything I imagine you would have said if that were true.

Basing your read of me off shit you'd do and not shit I'd do means you aren't worth my time anymore. I'm good. Later on.

I think that you play the game similarly to me. I have played with you in many games. I am not basing this off nothing. I like the way you play.

Also when I tried to connect your play to my knowledge of your play before you shat on that too. So effectively you are saying that I don't know how you play. That's okay, maybe I don't. If that's your argument against my point, then that's it. Of course I don't expect you to just say "you're right Mac, I am bad."

IDK man you seem not to see the forest through the trees on this. Is it not noteworthy to you how many wagons/ties we got for the LC lynch? Does it not make sense to you that a busted ass beat up mafia team would be like "Fuck where'd this LC wagon come from lets see if we can squeak outta here without burning a save or w/e"

You keep trying to stunt but the points only count if you get the ball through the hoop.

Of course it makes sense. There are a range of possibilities.

I have seen a lot of days end like that, and I believe that there is almost always Mafia on the Mafia flips when it does. It's not often that mafia save mafia in that situation. Generally they ride it out and hope a civilian comes along and does the saving (or at least does something that allows them to cast a janky vote and blame it on the chaos).

Who were the other lynch wagons?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:17 pmlol

?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:18 pm The glorf wagon in particular stunk at the time, and Collin had his fair share of votes. I don't recall off hand if anyone else was in contention. I could look back tomorrow.

Okay so let's say the main reason you pinged me is because you claimed that the attempted savers are suspect. If you can actually find me some suspect savers perhaps I will back off.

I can't even remember who I voted for tbh.

I know that I voted early and never moved it though...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.

Straw men don’t survive lynches. I think you’ll be the next.

What're you on about? Blowharding and Neganing aside I genuinely do not get the logic in "DH went through all that shit to distance himself from Long Con for no reason out of the blue ass nowhere"

But sure go ahead fuck wth me see whats up.

It wasn’t really “all that shit”. Part of the reason this works is how much and how often you have overstated the role you had in that lynch.

What the hell is going on here. You've played with DH before. He does this all the time as town. He did it in Firefly. You and sloonei are grasping at straws.

Sure if you ignore the context you can easily just hand wave away DH inflating himself as on meta. Read into the specifics. I particularly dislike where he wants/wanted to take the investigation to (those that saved LC), and the way that they did it looked simultaneously opportunistic and trying to keep the dialogue away from the idea of LC being bussed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:33 pm lol nutella

Jay are you baked?

I want to hear from Jackoflurks2005.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:36 pm I don't see the logic against DH.

I can only presume that you haven't bothered actually reading the thread then.

Sorry that was mean.

You don't see the logic in DH having distanced, then bussed LC and subsequently trying to push the thread onto the idea of there being savers and mop up cred?

Or are you just saying you disagree?

The basis of my read is that DH has done a lot of things that I would have done if I was Mafia. Hell I did it to exactly LC in my first ever TS game. He distanced, he bussed when it looked like the most unlikely thing to do, he then tried to keep the town looking at those who didn't vote for LC while maintaining his known civilian "I'm the God of Mafia" character right throughout. It's certainly not accusing him of basic Mafia 101 so it doesn't surprise me that it's not just taken as a given.

The only doubt I have about it is that it is a dangerous game to be distancing/bussing a teammate when you already have two dead and it's only day three, but given we see that they have resurrected one ... shenanigans may be at play. Not to mention it is that very thought that makes it an even better play tbh. Like, even with me on his case like this I doubt I'll be able to get DH lynched until late game at best. Which is exactly why he would have done all of this if he was Mafia.

Jay are you baked?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.

Straw men don’t survive lynches. I think you’ll be the next.

What're you on about? Blowharding and Neganing aside I genuinely do not get the logic in "DH went through all that shit to distance himself from Long Con for no reason out of the blue ass nowhere"

But sure go ahead fuck wth me see whats up.

It wasn’t really “all that shit”. Part of the reason this works is how much and how often you have overstated the role you had in that lynch.

What the hell is going on here. You've played with DH before. He does this all the time as town. He did it in Firefly. You and sloonei are grasping at straws.

Lol I posted this before reading a page and a half of this shit with mac. Like it's cool that we're considering all possible deepwolves but this has become ridiculous.

So on a day that we're just all push button lynching a revealed Mafia, you think this is ridiculous?

If not today then when?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:10 pm I'm actually trying to think back to a time when, as a mafioso, I have "saved" my teammate in an EOD scenario. It seems likely that it's happened before, but I cannot remember any single example. My mafioso M.O. tends to be one of these three things:

1 - Case and annihilate a civilian such that there is minimal wagon drama
2 - Case a teammate just enough to ensure they almost get lynched but survive (so that I'm on the correct but failed wagon)
3 - Case a teammate and burn them at the stake without mercy

Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm What the heck is all this tho

I finally found the time and energy to do some stuff.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

No, if I set myself on the distancing or bussing course I don't tend to revert. The best example that I can recall was Day 1 of Transistor, when there was a 6-vote civilian wagon, and my whole team bussed Elohcin up to 5 votes over the last stretch of the day. She survived, eventually died and flipped, we all looked great, and the civilians looked like goofs. Evil JJJ 101.

You mean yes right? Or am I misunderstanding. That sounds to me like you are just describing the same thing I am.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 pm The only doubt I have about it is that it is a dangerous game to be distancing/bussing a teammate when you already have two dead and it's only day three, but given we see that they have resurrected one ... shenanigans may be at play. Not to mention it is that very thought that makes it an even better play tbh. Like, even with me on his case like this I doubt I'll be able to get DH lynched until late game at best. Which is exactly why he would have done all of this if he was Mafia.

Jay are you baked?

I wish I was baked. How do you feel when I tell you that the resurrection was likely caused by accident because juliets tried to bring back TH?

I was having trouble rationalising how/why they would just resurrect old mate just to be lynched again so it makes sense. Does it change anything about my thoughts? Not really.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:48 pm Sorry that was mean.

You don't see the logic in DH having distanced, then bussed LC and subsequently trying to push the thread onto the idea of there being savers and mop up cred?

Or are you just saying you disagree?

I see your logic, sure, on a generic level. But it's DH we're talking about. Last time I theorized that he did something like this I felt like an idiot afterward. Occam says he's town.

Enrique/Golden Firefly...

DH we're talking about? Are you suggesting we should just assume DH is going to do the normal thing every time?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:19 pm I don't think DH is bad though. He's silly to suggest or imply that mafia-aligned strategies don't exist or don't make sense for his actions in this game, but actions are only half the battle. I don't think he sounds like a bad guy.

We'll see. It's not like he hasn't got ample time to prove his theory that the badders tried to save LC.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:26 pm Looking at the remaining player’s list ... how the hell are all these people still alive? And players of this caliber. Is the mafia playing on hard mode?

I can't speak for the whole game but I have basically tanked to try to avoid being night killed.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:52 pm @MacDougall what’s your take on Speedchuck vs. Quin?

speedchuck is bad anyway so who cares?

Go on, reveal that you have a town read on DH. Make all the fun even more fun.

Hey so what if Timmer is lying about being a vig? What does that do to all these floating theories?

FYI we have had a dead mafia literally EVERY night. 3 from 3. Anyone the least bit concerned about this? Especially given our known vig is actually not responsible for either of them?

Now on night 3 one of our dead Mafia is back among the living and just basically wondering around wearing his Death Eater cloak.

Paranoid theory time.

What if they are dying on purpose? We know there is lynch stopping. What if they can be killed to hide them from being lynched and they can be resurrected unless they are lynched?

Um.

I get hunches and then I follow them until I upset people.

CFD DH?

If I still had that ethereal Tiger as my avatar people would take me mote seriously I bet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:31 pm I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.

Anyway. You express uncertainty about Mac and I going after DH, and then my removing myself from that dialogue.

What do you suspect is the mafia agenda which may exist underneath that behavior on the part of any of the three? If you don't mean to suggest a mafia agenda, what is the source of your uncertainty?

speedchuck, you too.

The mafia agenda is obvious.

Scum DH doesn’t want to be suspected and defends himself accordingly.

Scum Mac wants to breakup the towncore.

Scum Jay sees a t/t squabble and pushes it but then takes himself out of it.

If there are multiple scum players here (unlikely, given the estimated number of scum left and other suspects), distancing would be a factor.

I’m not sure why you’re asking this question. You seem to imply “there is no possible scum motivation for the behavior of these 3 players.” Is that what you believe?

You had me as locktown before this. What have I done to make you tinfoil?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:21 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:38 pm Hi, guys. I'm lost. I know inh is bad. And I am feeling pretty good about sloonei being bad. Beyond that... iunno at this point.

So this is just to tell you that I'm going to work now and hopefully things will make more sense for me later. I'm sorry I'm not any help.

You arw even more lost than you think, unfortunately. I say this not to be snarky or defensive, but just in a sincere attempt to let you know.

Because I’d tell the truth if I was scum.

Are you baked Sloonei?

My motivation for casing DH is I have a hunch and wanted to follow it. I think there is a deepwolf and feel like I am one of the better players at finding such wolves so am doing my civilian duty and deepwolf hunting.

3 dead mafia all via nk. A failed Mafia lynch. A mafia rezz. You're all unperturbed?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:28 pm 3 dead mafia all via nk. A failed Mafia lynch. A mafia rezz. You're all unperturbed?

They all made sense and were predictable. Not perturbed.

N1, the most obvious vig target is the guy who hasn't made a post. Token.

N2, a consensus suspect who had just spilled his salad all over the floor makes sense as a target.

N3, a guy who had just survived a lynch and looked obvious makes sense as a target.

I think you could make this argument no matter who the kills were. It is the fact that they all flipped scum.

Jay killed oh it's Jay it makes sense. Mac, Glor, etc. You could rationalise all the deaths but since when do 3 consecutive vigilante kills all land let alone land on Mafia.

Why do I feel like you are intentionally suppressing the notion?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:45 pm jay
DH
mac

You live on Jay's nuts so this doesn't surprise me.

I bet this lynch fails.