The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted

You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?

There are two baddie teams, sweetie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:56 pm Radish has made a decent number of posts and none of them have inspired any feeling in me, so that's a net negative.

This mirrors my thoughts as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:30 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:26 am I for one hate looking terrible but I'd rather lynch radish

I’m unlikely to move my vote today (especially to a player I’ve mostly see play 3p) but talk to me about Radish anyway.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:31 am I have no idea where I’d put my vote now. Maybe on Radishes but that feels like a cop out because I don’t suspect Radishes I just don’t see anything townie in him and he’s probably the player here whose game I have the weakest grasp of.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:37 pm Somebody explain the Radishes wagon.

I kinda want to lynch Dom.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:44 pm I think this is about where I'm at atm.


Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:25 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Out of time. Okay, let’s do this quickly - no links, soz. But trust me on my interpretation.

After Jack initiated the Nutella vote (bottom of page 11), it gained little traction. In fact, he mostly got flack at first – Mac and Sloonei both dismissed it, especially Mac (who called Nutella town and Jack scum in the space of a few posts.) Nutella counter-votes, and Epi and Sprit both join the Jack vote in their own time. But everyone was focusing on Nanookian satire instead.

Jack wouldn’t let it go, and as the discussion over Nanook wanes, Ted votes Nutella (‘page 12 was yucky’), whilst SVS and Dom vote Jack. It becomes the thread’s main focus for a couple pages. The Radish wagon picks up and kills it off, eventually. (Ted switches off at some point.)

Jack still doesn’t let it go, and some pages later Mac now (despite his earlier stance) declares Jack often right about this and nutella’s defence bad (but doesn’t vote there). Turnip Head, seemingly going off of Mac’s posts, votes Nutella (but only says ‘why not’). Epi questions Jack’s logic, but then a page later also votes Nutella (no reason given). Sig quickly also votes Nutella (‘reactions’). A bit later, Dom (reason unclear, but I think about ‘back peddling’) and Sabie (scum!Jack wouldn’t do this) also vote Nutella.

The wagon goes a bit stale, and Epi and Sig both jump off it.

--

At its peak moment, the voters, by my count and in order, were: Jack, TH, Epi, Sig, Dom, Sabie [6]. It’s at this moment that there is very likely at least one scum on the wagon. The Nutella vote gained momentum fairly quickly, and was a duelling wagon with the one on me. Scum mentality is to nudge these sort of wagons, and I think it’s perfectly reasonable to work under the assumption there is at least one in this group.

All 5 non-Jack voters can appear to be opportunistic. TH, Epi, and Dom gave no reasons, whilst Sig and Sabie gave lacklustre reasons. (Also notable is Mac, who nudged it along without ever landing there.)

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.



And off to bed I go.

This is all fair (but I don’t have to give you cred for it cause lolmultiball) and I think Dom and Mac look worst off it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:30 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:06 pm Like literally Nanook died and flipped town. How you gonna shade him for voting Nutella?

Wtf, this is not the point, and you know it. You hiding behind a flipped town because you made the same action as him? Lol Jack. Lol.

What exactly was the point?

That Dom, Nanook and I were teamed with Radish?

That's stupid.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:06 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:56 am I think pursuing a “who is teammates with Radish” line is just bad strategically. It’s what the other team wants to happen. Maybe it’s like

Town: 50
Master: 25
Anti-Monitor-25

on average and we change it to

Town: 60
Master: 40

by focusing on one faction, but I think friendly fire works to our advantage.

I’m more interested in who is scum without Radish.

This is a good point to keep in mind, but at the same time my mindset is always to try to lynch the player who I think is most likely to flip scum, and we now have a clearer path to hunt Radishes team. But focusing exclusively on that for several days is a big advantage to the other team.

The case against Mac still stands and he is almost definitely not on Radishes' team.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:41 am I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:34 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:31 am I have no idea where I’d put my vote now. Maybe on Radishes but that feels like a cop out because I don’t suspect Radishes I just don’t see anything townie in him and he’s probably the player here whose game I have the weakest grasp of.

This is such a teammate thing to say, specifically the line "I don't suspect Radishes I just don't see anything townie in him"; that's how someone talks about their guilty friend

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:56 am By votes jack is a viable partner for radishes.

By tone he’s probably town.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:18 am I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:25 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:18 am I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:34 am I have no clue if Jack is town or not. My gut reaction would be town, but I think the only evidence to that end is the WIFOM “oh Jack wouldn’t go after Nutella if he were scum” to which I’ll point out that 1) he might and 2) he backed off.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:24 pm Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:08 pm ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Turnip Head
juliets
S~V~S
Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr
sig
Dragomir
speedchuck
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Michelle (a)
Tranq (a)
Jackofhearts2005 (b)
sabie12 (a/b)
Dom (b)
G-Man (b)
sprityo (b)

If anyone wants to actually get into some nitty gritty discussion I'm keen. If there are any reads here that are wtf let's talk.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 pm IF Mac is mafia then both teams are effectively done. We can piece together the entire other baddie team based off yesterday.

We should be able to find the remaining two Anti-Moniter people based off the two flips as well.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:24 pm Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Read this post, stop and think then realize what this means.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 pm Worst case Mac isn't mafia we have one mislynch.

BUT say we don't lynch him and let him keep rolling along, they'll keep killing civs and eventually we won't be able to win at all. This is when we still have a margin of error.

More importantly there are 2 roles Sprityo has at this point. If Mac isn't mafia (Very slim chance) Then Sprityo is one of the last members of Anti-Monitors. Potentially last since I still think it's possible Dizzy was mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 pm Worst case Mac isn't mafia we have one mislynch.

BUT say we don't lynch him and let him keep rolling along, they'll keep killing civs and eventually we won't be able to win at all. This is when we still have a margin of error.

More importantly there are 2 roles Sprityo has at this point. If Mac isn't mafia (Very slim chance) Then Sprityo is one of the last members of Anti-Monitors. Potentially last since I still think it's possible Dizzy was mafia.

I mean Sprityo is definitely mafia, so you can go ahead and lynch me and flip that fool afterwards. I am comfortable with death at this point.

Yeah because you used your role LMAO


Oopsie

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:43 pm This is like a tragedy of sorts.

Sprityo and Sig, banded together to fight their common arch nemesis that has bested them at every turn for years and years finally have him cornered. Mac cowers in fear as they bear down on him and raise their swords together as one. He is truly bested. They strike down upon him as one, slicing him, twixt and twain.

Except if town ever bothered to listen to me, before you killed/silenced me we'd have always won.

You'd be gone and we'd be pursuing your team today if not for the fact I was silenced and couldn't push your lynch. I mean it worked out with Radish flipping mafia. Buuuuuut, now it's time to flip two teams.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm Oh gee guys we've got two scumflips to work through! I know! Let's lynch exactly the only player who literally cannot be teammates with either of them!

Yea, your on the other team.

Of course we should still spend the phase hunting out that team, but there's no reason not to lynch you. And weaken both mafias.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:45 pm The irony of this all is that you're gonna wagon me to near death within an hour of the day starting, but by the day's end we'll lynch someone else. You'll see.

Ok Jack.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:53 pm Other than Dyslexicon dying, that was a good night post. I hope my idiocy didn’t help put a target on your back.

I’m not following the team compatibility here, and I need to try to go back and find some of it. Is it being suggested that when it was Mac vs Radish that it was trains on two people from the same team?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:54 pm I'll be ISOing and laying things out about Mac again later, if everyone else doesn't pursue it then meh whatever.

G-man yea different teams.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:54 pm I'll be ISOing and laying things out about Mac again later, if everyone else doesn't pursue it then meh whatever.

G-man yea different teams.

Sig you're starting to make me think that you're actually scum now lol.

and why is that.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

Basically saitama has a one time janitor (hides flip) which was clearly used on dizzy (otherwise default is roles flip, i know yours not used to that). The theory is mac is saitama and used his one time ability bc he is in danger of being lynched. And it just adds to sig's pre-existing theory that Mac one-posted him.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:07 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 pm @sig you saw my post, please can you explain how this night result proves any specific person bad?

I don't know what any of you are talking about.

Linki @ nutella I did read it if I don't know what a janitor is that doesn't help me lol

A combination of the last two nights plus his general tone/other things I touched on N1.

So here's how it went down.

N1 I made posts about Mac I was then given one post for 2 day. Which is Satima's power. I think Mac/his team was the most likely to use this on me given whom I was calling out mainly him.

linki: I see people already answered.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:10 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:07 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 pm @sig you saw my post, please can you explain how this night result proves any specific person bad?

I don't know what any of you are talking about.

Linki @ nutella I did read it if I don't know what a janitor is that doesn't help me lol

A combination of the last two nights plus his general tone/other things I touched on N1.

So here's how it went down.

N1 I made posts about Mac I was then given one post for 2 day. Which is Satima's power. I think Mac/his team was the most likely to use this on me given whom I was calling out mainly him.

linki: I see people already answered.

Mr. TunnelMac, I was not here on night 1 at all. I didn't even know that you were suspicious of me.

That's a nothing argument all the way.


There is no way to p[rove or since you have a team of 3 more they weren't here.


Really and this is probably the reason why Mac was so salty about it last phase. He could've had nothing to do with this at all, it could've been his teammates decisions and I just linked him to it vs them.

Either way Mac is mafia take it to the bank.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

How does one do that exactly?

...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:36 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

This is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:24 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine I'm not seeing town fire in her

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:43 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

How does one do that exactly?

...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:36 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

This is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.

You literally just said to abandon all of our leads?

Dare I suggest that Mac and Dom ignore each other for the time being? There's plenty of mafia to go around. Just a suggestion.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:46 pm Nutella 1.0 voted for jack

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:48 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:20 am I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

I compared our results and we both said sig looks like a compatible Radishes teammate. Gimme a quick take on that.

Inb4 mac says emoji tell





(Emoji tell is highkey a town tell for sig )

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:57 pm Hey nanook here's my biggest problem with you. You keep using that weird af shrug emoji in every single post when we have not one but TWO excellent shrug emoji of our own. One of which was made by our own esteemed host Long Con.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:57 pm Hey nanook here's my biggest problem with you. You keep using that weird af shrug emoji in every single post when we have not one but TWO excellent shrug emoji of our own. One of which was made by our own esteemed host Long Con.

We could lynch nutella again? She seems super comfortable. Maybe she's on the other team.

Let's see okay mac I want you to do the following.
1. Go to inbox
2. See if in your Role Pm you have nutella 2.0 listed as a teammate.
2A If yes vote for yourself.
2B If no then she's civ, and your mafia, vote for yourself.
3. Live it up as a ghost and hunt down team 2 so civs can win.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:04 am And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:05 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:04 am And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

Fuck yeah let's do it. [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Shocker, mac decided to vote for someone who's going after him. This has never ever happened before.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:07 am Even tying me to Radish is fundamentally a flawed thing since the vast movement on him was the day when I couldn't contribute.

Also nah Mac's gotta go, his flip to lynch me after civ reading me just further cements my read here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:12 am And by extension how bad it is that Mac is for realzies voting him?