The Syndicate

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:32 pm Thank you Sloondog. Now, what about me?

Do you have any inquiry for me at this moment?

Honestly my kneejerk reaction every time you get suspected on Day 1, which is every game, is to roll my eyes and tell people to try harder. I have seen you do nothing that is not out of the ordinary for the good doctor wilgy.

I'll ask you the question I like asking everyone: Is there anybody in this game that you think should be receiving more attention than they have been getting?

Mindmeld. Sloonei's just town.

Spoiler: show

that is how it's done here, right?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:32 pm Thank you Sloondog. Now, what about me?

Do you have any inquiry for me at this moment?

Honestly my kneejerk reaction every time you get suspected on Day 1, which is every game, is to roll my eyes and tell people to try harder. I have seen you do nothing that is not out of the ordinary for the good doctor wilgy.

I'll ask you the question I like asking everyone: Is there anybody in this game that you think should be receiving more attention than they have been getting?

Well, I like attention.

Not sure. I'm unsure as to why Alison has 2 votes and would like that further touched on, but outside of that the direction of conversation feels like it has positive town flows and lines.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:11 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:10 pm @Sloonei, you should ask Nutella, Mac, and 112 about my play in MU Champs S6W1. <3

Especially about the stuff starting from this post: One of my greatest performances <3

@nutella, @MacDougall, @112

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:58 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:57 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:56 pm I can chose someone who's alive to have a chat with someone who is dead each phase. Obviously I can't do anything right now since no one is dead yet.

does anyone know what this role is and from which game?

Can I claim this myself? If so, I'm Rafiki from the Lion King.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:00 pm lion king was mountainious so if this claim is real this is interesting, looks like some roles arent exactly extracted from past game. u could argue this is a brand new role and just slapped on the flavor of a VT/Goon from a mountainous game

if hyena is town (or scum claiming his real role) then this potentially discredits Alison a bit in my eyes. Alison's role could be way more different than the gambit demon from shadow corridors

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:03 pm I am surprised it’s not an FTL-based role tho, that ability is very similar to the one jay and Mac used in that game

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 pm uh....i just had a thought.... how meta are we trynna be right now?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:43 pm

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@dyachei

Alison - claimed 3p, also unkillable and immune to yeeting after day 1 since she can redirect all night actions and all votes towards the person she made a contract with. so putting her aside

tutuu
Michelle - her reactions to getting pushed and a bunch of other stuff feel pretty towny
nutella - i dont care about her post count and i heavily dislike the fact that she's using the "im so bad as wolf i can barely post or do anything, my scum game is milesssss behind my towngame" thing as a defense, i think that if your scum game is lagging behind your towngame then you should be putting alot of effort to equalize the difference, instead of weaponizing the difference and using it to your advantage, thats lowkey unsportsmanlike imo, even if shes only stating the truth. its kind of like being proud that you never bus as scum and wanting to get towncleared upon being on a wolf wagon (like TSM mikey does) which unfairly skews the scale to favor your town winrate and lowers your scum winrate, or like when you only do heavy AtE as town and dont do it as wolf and u get free townreads and u dont realize that its not rly fair, sort of like a trust tell. even tho ur job as town is to be truthful in my opinion some truths are best not spoken for the sake of a sportsmanlike competitive game @nutella . im sorry i just - this is my opinion, i dont want to yell at you or scold you and i love you very much nutella and i think you know it, i just cant not share my opinion on how our mafia gameplay on the syndicate can be improved, thats all!

ANYWAY, for my actual read on her that i think is valid and sportsmanlike (as in, its fakable if she was wolf) - i like her sassy and erratic responses to multiple posts, they are too much for me to pinpoint all but there are there in both of our ISOs. i think that shes heavily invested in the game and she had some textbook towny posts - one of them was recent, somebody was townreading her and she pointed out how scummy that person is for townreading her, which is a towntell when you're in nutella's situation (receiving scumreads from multiple places). the biggest part is her pushes really, they just make sense
MacDougall - i think from the two scum games ive seen from him last year he was really trolly and erratic, i think as town he gets more serious and his reads get more deep. i think if he was mafia or 3p here he played in a way that would get him night killed due to being perceived as a threat from one of the scum teams, which is not good for him if he's scum. optimal scum play in this game is to be towny but not that towny imo. so i think he's town
Sloonei - exact same read as mac, except without the trolly and erratic part. i can add that ive seen him be scum twice, i have caught him both times (its not only nutella who rekt sloonei ) and ive seen him be town once in my game and the contrast is pretty stark imo. he's just clearly town here imo
Syn - echoing the already stated reads on him, nobody expects much from him so if he is mafia here he can post three times less and nobody would push him. the fact that he's putting way more effort than the average effort put out by players in this threat makes him town in my eyes

112 - i find all of her posts extremely logical and i can follow them. any reasons to doubt her is that she isnt playing in a way that would make her nightkilled by scum early on imo, so she isnt showing the "multiball towntell" in my eyes, and additionallyshe has fooled me before as mafia
Timsup2nothin - i dont wanna repeat it, i laid it out already in my iso. its about the way he interacted with sloonei about the perceived tmi slip about multiball
Thunal33 - pretty similar to 112, i nod my head as i read her posts, they make sense and are good, but she is not getting nightkilled and could be a solving mafia
DrWilgy - unfortunately little explanation for this. this is simply my gut. i think he's being genuine. i liked the "maybe yall can listen to me for once" post
Marmot - again cant explain much. gut. ive played a bunch of games with marmot. perhaps im starting to get familiar. he feels more similar to bike mafia compared to the times i saw him scum. maybe, i think.

MartinGG99 - i liked his posts where he was saying "u guys can kill me at any time". but otherwise low post count, could be scum
falcon45ca - i liked some of his assertive tone, but otherwise low post count, hard to read, could be scum, the assertive tone thingy could be his personality
cat - i liked his sass, i disliked one logical post of his (because it was logical), low post count
JackofHearts2005 - i have little to no experience with jack; low post count
dyachei - recently joined, dont have much to read them off of. previous owner was 0 poster
Dyslexicon - low post count, i have seen him be like this as town a lot
TurnipHead - 0 poster
Long Con - surprised he has 80, i dont remember most of his posts, shows how spammy this game is. just checked post coutns nutella has 330 posts what the actual fuck. but yeah. long con notoriously hard to read / impossible
TonyStarkPrime - low post count, gut says he's scum but last game i wrongly tunneled him

Master Radishes - sheeping nutella, i liked her idea that if MR is logical and cooperative that could mean he's mafia
Made - i echo someone's read that made jumping around like a happy little fairy between posts could mean he's mafia. i dont remember his pushes, i just remember him being chatty and friendly
Kylemii - my gut pinged me super hard, cant explain
JustPlayingitcool - is playing the same way he played in radiohead. claims that this is his town meta, thats possible, but then how does one read him?
Hyena - i think he started kinda flailing, dont wanna repeat the things ive already stated about why i sr him, there are there in my iso
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - doesnt seem that relaxed or easygoing, according to mac that's nook's towntell and nook isn't expressing it here fmpov, also nook is super engaged as town at least often times, and is often in the top posters and i think as town is more engaged and has more reads than this

all very well articulated and i agree on like 97% of this
also sorry i should try to stop doing the "i'm out of my scumrange" thing you're right

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:08 pm oh nvm apparently it's from lion king which i didnt play

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:10 pm Do we believe Hyena’s claim?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:13 pm mac wtf are these gifs from

some australian hipster shit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:05 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 pm uh....i just had a thought.... how meta are we trynna be right now?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:14 pm i like the pulp fiction reference, i dont know the parody movie its coming from. maybe its from that comedy show mac said that he loves

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:26 pm I know I fucked the joke up but I’m making it anyways idc

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:48 pm @Made after some review christmas sloon, acted similarly in christmas, though he seems more active here, which may be the result of this being a more active game in general.

also he really sorta just slam dumked you into a garbage can right out of the gate, huh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:03 pm oh right while I'm here I should advertise that I've recently started playing League of Legends, and since we all know this is a League of Legends forum, if y'all wanna add me, I'm Alison Air on the NA server. I've already had a fun game with Marmot and Urist is on my friends list too!

alright peace out for now since nobody seems to have more questions!

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:07 pm oh wow i really popped off,

mac, change ur vote

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:09 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:07 pm oh wow i really popped off,

mac, change ur vote

what

vote for an actually scummy player like....hmmm

Tim?

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 pm i thought for sure you were

trying out the whole "openwolf" thing. It's scary how well it works. Like so long as no one points at you, you just win lmao

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:06 pm Nutella reads me very well. She is one of the players Mafia Sloonei worries about the most. She has gotten better at discerning the differences between my town and scum games recently, and catches me most of the time when I’m bad.

As such, I usually gauge my read on her through her read on me. In this game she treated me with some initial skepticism but came around to a town read before long. I feel like I’ve been decently town to this point, but not in the hyperactive and undeniable way that I am capable of. If nutella is a mafier here, I feel like she keeps up the skepticism a bit longer, either to keep me off balance or to earn my trust by challenging me. That she town reads me for a more subdued (by my standards) town performance thus far is a good sign to me.

Nutella town.

Yes, but there's still the possibility of you being scum together so this means nothing to me

this is grosssss how are we cool with this?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:11 pm tutuu:

- you get the ability the following night after i bargain. So if I bargain for bus driver with someone n1 they can start bus driving n2

- thieving role steals abilities for 1 phase. So if you end day 2 voting for the tracker, then n2 you get a tracker ability. n3 you lose the tracker ability but gain an ability from whoever you voted d3, etc.

thanks!

okay, i dont want towncore people to be making deals with alison yet then, it will go to waste

i think we should form a consensus on light green town leans and go with that

im afraid of giving a self-targetting bus driver to someone who's null for everyone like long con or dizzy or w/e

towncore where are we on this? @MacDougall do u still scumread me? @nutella @Sloonei who are our consensus light green townreads

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:56 pm is omgus typically a town thing or a mafia thing? if it's a mafia thing, it's something that wouldn't be effected too much by the whole 2 teams dynamics, which makes it a really reliable way to scum hunt compared to finding people scum based on their reads. Shitty reads probably isn't the way to find scum until we think we've hit a pair

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:02 pm yo, how does town normally win multiball set ups?

like when town wins is it normaly just mafia dogging it out and town surviving or Towncore flanking both sides? what's the trick here? Ofc town always needs to baddie hunt or w/e but so do the wolves. What does town need to do that scum doesn't?

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:10 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:02 pm yo, how does town normally win multiball set ups?

like when town wins is it normaly just mafia dogging it out and town surviving or Towncore flanking both sides? what's the trick here? Ofc town always needs to baddie hunt or w/e but so do the wolves. What does town need to do that scum doesn't?

I've played one multiball and it involved Askthepizzaguy single-handedly bending both wolf teams over

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:21 pm Think about it like this.

Mafia night kills are hardly ever rand. Either they will kill people who are threatening their existence (SPK) or they will PR hunt. The mafia's biggest threats in this game are the other mafia team. While ever the other mafia team exists, their game can end in a flash. So they want to kill the other team more than they want to kill town (at the start). In actuality the town faction in multiball setups on this website have tended towards looking more like large allied 3p survivors as the game has progressed, and tend towards ending up mech unable to win at a reasonably early stage of the game, often becoming knowing or unknowing kingmakers.

Those who raise their hand and push hard on wolves in this setup, LOOK like wolves to the other wolf team, even if they are not. The simple fact of being able to see a wolf makes you >rand wolf in this setup because you are in the same mindset, so you can see reflections of yourself in your opponents. Good wolves know this. These players will be among the first to die. The mafia will tend towards reading players who are hard scumreading players outside their team as town, and will tend to not mess with those players.

As town, sheep the cases you like, keep a low profile, try as best as you can to live through a phase and see where it gets you. That's my rec.

But I would expect wolves to keep a relatively low profile too in order to avoid an NK. I definitely forgot it was multiball a lot of the time (like with my MR push reasoning that he's faking his Nutella read, I'm not sure how valid that is if it's multiball) and it's easy to revert back to autopilot. I actually thought the opposite, that town would be sticking out and hard pushing wolves while the wolves would be more in the background trying to avoid an NK since they're more keenly aware it's multiball.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:34 pm If we’re in a multiball game, what do we suppose the numbers are? I think it was 4 and 4 last year. That would probably make sense again this time around.