The Syndicate

Sprityo is in my locktown list.

Epi is suspect though.

Neverwhere and nutella are also town

I think the most compelling teammates for Luna are Jack, Epi and Sabie.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:26 pm Yeah let me openly rubs nuts with epi out in public. That’ll show how scummy I am. @ nova

Also I’m kinda dumb, but all I got from mac was “let me make a big deal about a hunch I have, woe is me” I increasingly regret my statement of saying mac is someone I could see town

What ... the fuck

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:28 pm Aside from the pity party does anyone object macs statement or are we gonna collectively not care enough to speak against it and let it happen?

What pity party?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:28 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:28 pm Aside from the pity party does anyone object macs statement or are we gonna collectively not care enough to speak against it and let it happen?
What pity party?
The one of you crying about being soup killed

I wasn't crying about being soup killed like at all. I was asking whether I should infodump and then did. Reread the last few pages.

Well sprityo is town. Only a townie could be that oblivious.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:31 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.
Lol what?
Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?
I wanted to say, it’s impossible within the roles list mac would know for certain Luna is scum

Lol well hopefully you are a witch then

Jack had his vote on me without suspecting me. Luna was the counterwagon. Jack stayed off her wagon entirely when he could have caused her lynch in earnest. Then Luna "scumread" him out of nowhere.

That's a teammate.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:33 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:31 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.
Lol what?
Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?
I wanted to say, it’s impossible within the roles list mac would know for certain Luna is scum
I mean unless mac is making the biggest gambit of his life

Sounds like the easiest fake claim to be made

What?

Nova has been on a roll. Maybe he's right about sprityo and epi. Maybe they're both out here chaos posting for cover.

@Sloonei you should do your thing. I have given your life meaning.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:36 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:35 pm The easiest way around it simple, we can follow mac on his hunch. And if the vig activates ktonight that means that Luna was a civ and we lynched another civ today.
Brick doesn't count as a mislynch.
Oh. Right

Well I’m just flailing now so I’ll retreat to my conspiracy hole

I have convinced myself that Jack is a better lynch than Sabie

Let's just hammer him now

Only need 6 to hammer. 5 if one is Nova. Let's do it.

Actually I will die tonight so we won't have a chance to confirm any more flips. Maybe we should just try to solve it now based on Luna being a witch. A lynch order I mean.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:37 pm Nova has been on a roll. Maybe he's right about sprityo and epi. Maybe they're both out here chaos posting for cover.

@Sloonei you should do your thing. I have given your life meaning.
I do not anticipate that my thing will be done in this game. That requires more time and energy than I can afford to put in.

But you are so good at the interaction analysis...

I want a POE today so that when I am dead and we get confirmation of the next flip we just progress assuming it was fine.

I didn't do the pie plan anyway

muugen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:37 pm I will put info in here in 5 minutes unless I hear a good reason why I shouldn't.
5 minutes aye

What's your issue?

This would be the order to lynch in imo.

jackofhearts2005
sabie12
Epignosis
muugen
Sloonei
sprityo
Neverwhere
novaselinever
Spacedaisy
nutella

This game feels like nobody is really giving a shit and that looked like a save on Jack, in the main by Epignosis's manipulation techniques.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:00 am This game feels like nobody is really giving a shit and that looked like a save on Jack, in the main by Epignosis's manipulation techniques.
It didn't look like diddly shit and you know it.

Counterpoint what I said is how it looked and how I feel.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:00 am This game feels like nobody is really giving a shit and that looked like a save on Jack, in the main by Epignosis's manipulation techniques.
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way, honestly. I may be shit at mafia, but at least I was trying. Epi in particular sticks out to me as really not giving a shit. Granted I don't really remember epi and how he plays, but I don't have a good feel about him. I also don't get the role claiming, I don't know if I trust him.

I did have a town read on spacedaisy, but it is bothering me that she's not showing up for votes.

Also, I was super tired right last night but I don't really remember seeing much of a jack save? I had it tied with my vote on jack and when nova questioned me about my feelings on both candidates, I reread an thought sabie might have been the safer vote. You had both players in top two spots for mafia, so why is this bothering you? Just curious about your thought process.

I'd been suspicious of Sabie throughout the game. Jack looked extremely compatible with Luna for reasons already said and given the fact there wasn't much else to go by I thought he was the best lynch and think that most civilians if putting in the effort to analyse the game would have came to the same conclusion.

Given that the forming bandwagon petered out into a half assed Sabie wagon instead and given that I was the primary voice of both cases I have my doubts that it was a good lynch.

That the "save" wasn't obvious is what makes it problematic.

Honestly I feel like the no flip thing makes things insanely hard for us. This is why I thought outing Luna would be for the best because at least it anchors cases. Sadly it seems that everyone is phoning it in anyway.

Good luck town. Hopefully the cop can do something.

Well I can confirm that Sabie wasn't a witch. There are still two scum remaining.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:30 pm I checked Mac and he's a witch. Good game, good hustle.

Except you didn't and I am not.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:53 pm poe

jackofhearts
neverwhere
spacedaisy

eh?

Why is Epignosis not in your POE?

Neverwhere and Spacedaisy are high on my town list as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:10 pm Someone tell me what’s a thing I should do.
Look at Nutella. I have no opinion on her and that's a problem.

nutella went pretty hard out at lunalee in a game where the expectation is that you aren't gonna get distancing cred. I think she is town.

I think it's Jack and Epi

All roads lead to Jack though.

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:43 pm I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.
I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?

There is zero doubt that Lunalee was Mafia. Zero. Utterly none. Unless you think I fake claimed. In which case I can't help dumb.

Epi said he believed my claim wholeheartedly because Mafia don't have the balls and now he questions me. I don't know what to do with his contrarianism.

Mentions of Jack by Lunalee

Quite a lot. Lunalee cast quite a lot of suspicion at Jack but it didn't amount to a genuine attempt to lynch him. She was talked off it by nutella.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:02 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:17 pm But that makes it easier for the Witches to soup kill 'cause it narrows down heavily and they have access to the identity to night killed players as long as Necro is alive.
yeah, I would recommend no role claims by anyone ever. That soup thing could get messy quick.
Nah, nah. Every other person just lie about your roleclaim.
That might be good and all until an out-of-the-loop townie hops in and angrily counter-claims the fake role claim

NAI gametech waffle.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:08 pm My "caught-up" opinions on everyone:

Spacedaisy - despite the "weird vibe" popular opinion on spacedaisy, I actually think she looks town. mechanics posts can be town, and I like that she wrote all that out while learning the roles (I will read it eventually, promise).
novaselinenever - I think nova is winning the "highest poster" award. His questions and interactions look town to me.
nutella - is trying to stay active (even while in Japan), and is voting me, so she's either town, or trying really hard to correct her scum meta of never suspecting me.
juliets - looks town (as always). She also paid a lot of attention to Daisy's "long" post, but I don't know if she actually read or responded to it.
Muriel - still absent?
jackofhearts2005 - is just casually throwing out opinions and suspects, but none of them feel serious yet.
sabie12 - looks like typical sabie, but also is "no u" voting suspecting mac
muugen - jumped in late and made a "catch-up" post which honestly just seems to parrot the opinions of the thread.
sprityo - is not quite ready to "supatown" or contribute too much yet.
Neverwhere - looks like they are struggling to find something to contribute while at the same time acknowledging they are not really contributing
Epignosis - lazy poster, and currently suspects juliets because she "looks like she did in Addams family mafia when she was scum"
Macdougall - in only three posts he both claims to not be a witch and know that nova is also not a witch, and shoo sabie off for questioning it.

Conclusion: [VOTE: lynch Macdougall] aubergine, [VOTE: Lunalee gets Butt Stallion!] aubergine (despite some of you looking town, I'd still rather have it)

Huge wall post of soul reads. Waffle on jack. Sort of hedging.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 pm I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.
playa salad!

Accuses Jack of playa salad with a jokey emoji. This does look genuinely accusatory.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo

Includes Jack in a list of three people she wouldn't mind lynching. Includes me. Both of us comprising her primary suspects. Sprityo is an interesting include for later.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:48 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo
Luna why Jack?
that player salad post

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:48 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo
Luna why Jack?
that player salad post
Nooooppe nope nope. He made it so obviously a joke. That post singlehandedly convinced me he's town. Somehow you fell for the too-obvious bait. You so bad.
I thought he was being serious

Hmmmm. This side of the analysis makes Jack look pretty good in isolation. It sort of soured me on my Jack boner a bit.

Now to read Jack.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:43 pm I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.
I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.
Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?
There's nothing funny about that at all. It's called "being disengaged."

I've seen disengaged Epi. This doesn't feel like disengaged Epi. It feels like nefarious chaos posting Epi.

Jack re: Luna

This is the real source of my pain. Jack globbed on to me early in the day and never found his way off my wagon despite suspecting Luna (who also suspected him). Someone help me understand Jack. How does civilian Jack react to baseless and incorrect suspicion? Because here he is being pretty much ignorant of it. He ignored her and he's ignored me too. Is that civ Jack or mafia Jack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 pm I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:29 pm “Crap. I forgot to switch my vote and it’s after 6. Crap. I’m the deciding vote on a player I don’t suspect. Oh. Luna died anyway.”

Hope she was bad.

Those gifs are pretty good @speedchuck

The above post reads like someone with a guilty mind trying to control the narrative on himself.

The rest is just waffly back and forthing. To be honest the analysis makes me think he is town.

Epi's interactions with Luna are definitely w/w I'd clear him.

Linki: Lol shut up

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:00 pm wait why are we not assuming epi is bad from that claim or was he just spouting shit for fun

If anything fake claiming the way he has is something I expect more for a townie than a Mafia.

I think my POE is Sloonei and Muugen now that I've had a chance to read.

In a trustfall I could give everyone a civ clear in this game right now except those two.

Epignosis - Attacked Lunalee in a very civilian Epi way.

jackofhearts2005 - Mutual suspicion between he and Lunalee seemed non teammate indicative

Muriel/Sloonei - Swapped in late and so can be forgiven for not trying

muugen - Didn't realise the game started and appeared to give a genuine catch up post where he town read Nova and Juliet and shaded Spacedaisy, so has at least offered something rather than just not trying

Neverwhere - Appeared to show civilian doubt during the end of day one, switching off me to Lunalee (and I believe staying there)

nutella - Eviscerated Lunalee and day 1 and was the main driver of the Lunabus

sprityo - Seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game. Hasn't shown his Mafia underpants as Sprityo is want to do.

Spacedaisy - Has put in quite a lot of effort. Questioned Luna quite a bit.

I'd say that Muugen and Sloonei look the least civilian by some distance.

You are voting for me though lol

Probably Sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:31 pm Probably Sloonei
Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

I do not really have preference between them aside from the fact that Sloonei scares me more

If you want to put your Epi sus at rest go look at how savage he was to Lunalee

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:31 pm Probably Sloonei
Who would you go for after me?
Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.
I just woke up, so will contribute later but

Why would I be next? You've consistently said through out the game you read me as town. You mentioned that I was one of the only ones who KEPT my vote on lunalee and tried to make sure I took care fo that because I believed she was a witch. It would have been easier for me to switch my vote to you to try to get a majority. ALSO in the jack vs. sabie vote I did the same as you, I reread Jacks posts and talked myself out of his guilt so switched my vote back to sabie. I don't see how you could be reading me as next in line for scum.

Relax I don't think you are Mafia. I said I'd look at you if the game was still going and Muugen and Sloonei were dead.

Well met Sloonei

My POE are the 3 that voted for Sloonei. This is good because I feel if Muugen was a civ and this was a civ/civ lynch they split their vote here. I am quietly confident that Muugen was Mafia.

Neverwhere is the one I would lynch first of the three. Spacedaisy and Epi have more going for them. Neverwhere's reaction to me putting them in the POE was also a bit head scratching to me even though I let it go at the time.

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