The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:35 pm 1. When I postulated that Dragomir was being pocketed by nut he said that he agreed but then closed the post by saying it wasn't a strong feeling. His last post of night 2 was very similar about me. I don't like it. He's afraid of outright calling either nut or I bad.

2. Epi wanted to lynch him. Dragomir avoided engaging Epi during night 2 beyond saying "good luck with that". Because he knew Epi wouldn't be here on day 3.
Mac why would he be afraid of calling you or nut bad? It's not that I disbelieve it, I just don't understand it.

Don't worry about it. I was wrong once so I'm probs wrong forever now.

BWT is in charge now.

I am 90% sure that one of nutella or Dragomir is Mafia and I keep bouncing between which of them it is. Right now I am floating back towards Nutella because of the way she just did a firm poo all over my Dragomir case like she has TMI. This Nutella is reminding me of the Nutella I just played Mafia with.

Linki: I think it's a fairly natural thing for Mafia to be afraid of inventing suspicion on players with an assertive style like Nutella and I. That's all. Dragomir has done that twice that I've observed where he's dipped his toes in on suspecting us but then capped it with doubt. I think that you probably aren't so moved by this particular thing because you are generally someone who actually does play like that as a civ but I think you are in the minority and that most people tend to be more cavalier when they are civilian.

[mention]juliets[/mention] can you please talk to me about Nutella.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:50 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 10:54 pm Okay so where I am at is I see three possibilities.

1. Given that the Creature wagon was indeed a civ wagon with very little push I am still looking for those who pushed against it for cred. These players would be showing TMI. Nutella, indiglo and birdwithteeth are the most questionable here, the latter two because they found their way off the main wagon with very little effort (when I observe BWT specifically, but would expect both, to me more likely to just agree to the main wagon if they are indeed civilians without info). Nutella more so because there is this sort of union between her and Dragomir but the tones are different. Dragomir gets a bit of a pass from me because he sounds more aggressive and is exhibiting more civvie doubt. I am gut and tone reading Dragomir town but Nutella has a more stiff feel in her posting.

2. Maybe we just have a lazier than usual Mafia team and rather than attempting to create some civ credit they chose to take the day off[/b] and just let the mislynch unfold and that I missed it entirely because I was blinded by my own read. I don't think LC and Epi are guilty of this, because Epignosis and Long Con were proponents of the wagon even before I kicked it off, they were not passively agreeing with it like some others. Juliets is someone who comes into question here, because she was on the wagon yet now in light of the flip is choosing to hitch herself to the nutella/Dragomir bloc... which I would do if I was in her position as Mafia. I find it questionable that Juliets has gone from being a proponent of the Creature lynch to now aligning herself with the primary objectors of it. It's a bit too quaint. DrWilgy is also a concern also is the one that put the third quick vote on that wagon and did so with a minimum of fuss, which I find strange for Wilgy who loves competing wagons. I also want to look at how Oreki and Matahari got their votes on to the wagon.

3. It is possible that we have a mix, something like the majority of the Mafia team choosing to be passive with one person angling for deepwolf status. Mathematically this is probably more likely, also supported by well as the fact that most Mafia teams don't bloc vote (they should but don't). In this scenario it makes sense that we would have something like a Nutella, DrWilgy, Juliets team, with Nutella taking the opportunity to pocket Dragomir and steer clear of the wagon to infiltrate any forming town bloc, with DrWilgy just relying on wifoming his way out and Juliets taking the safe option as she is want to do.

Lastly I am sorry Creature. I hope to see you in the next game, you play well.
I saw Drago and nutella as town because they were arguing so hard against the lynch. I know you have a theory that the arguing against it made them mafia (or I see you have revised that above to just nutella) but I didn't buy that argument the first time around. I will read through it again when I review your ISO later today to make sure I still feel that way. Anyway, it came off to me that they were most certainly town.

I am not bad, I've just been very busy and maybe haven't thought things through well enough here but I died in the other game so will be able to devote more time to this one starting this afternoon when I get home from work.
Yikes juliets bad

[mention]nutella[/mention] talk about Juliets.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm @MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.

Is she your number 1 scum read?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:53 pm @MacDougall I finished nutella's ISO and she was not wishy-washy in Day 1 but she came in and voted pretty quickly citing that she was busy. I was also busy at that time, part of it being the other game and my read is that's part of what was making her so busy. That is one convoluted sentence. Anyway, I'm not ready to call her bad but as I said before, she does not stand out to me as good as much as Dragomir.

Thanks.

I want to talk a bit more about DrWilgy now.

Let's start with this question.

Does anybody have a civ read on DrWilgy?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature
Why do we do that?
For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?
Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I told you that I did not have information on Creature. You construed my misplaced confidence as a red-peek. You're voting me because of your own misinterpretation of what occurred.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.
I didn't.

This is the part where I clearly told you I did not have information.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:35 pm No, you asked me to vote No Questions Asked. How are you not a marked man in my books now?

Because being wrong does not equal being scum that is such lazy thinking.

You are suggesting that Mafia Mac decides that the play on day 2 is to stake his game life on single mislynch wagon of Creature (who was most likely to get lynched with or without my support)?

I was lazy then. You are being lazy now. You are taking the cheap route putting your vote on me right now.

Talking consequences, do you actually think I am bad?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:57 pm I was lazy then. You are being lazy now. You are taking the cheap route putting your vote on me right now.

Talking consequences, do you actually think I am bad?
Yeah.... you just like to crow about your baddie achievements, like the NEVER FORGET image, and I just keep seeing you in the future, "how about that time that I got Long Con to help me lynch a Civ just by asking nice?" So easy to see.

Okay Long Con give lynching me your best shot. In the meantime I'm going to continue to try to find actual bad guys even though I had one bad day.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I am seeing very little to give this man credit for.

Yeah I am pretty sure LC is a civ here.

Happy day friends. I am lit af and going to bed. Fap fap.

Look at the three names who voted for Wilgy on day 1

Killed civ, mislynched civ, killed civ

BWT's vote is in a fairly obscene place right now

Do we agree there are three Mafia?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:43 pm @Creature if there's anything that I've learned in my time on this planet it's that if you sus bwt day 1 and he's not bad, you are. Wanna flip that coin buddy?

Is this post a scumslip? How does he know BWT is a civ?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:59 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:48 pm
Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 am I'm not finished with reading yet but looking at the thread, @birdwithteeth11 comes off quite aggressively and his behavior not really feel like town behavior, it's more comes off as a wolf for me. They way he ask players or point out thinks Kinda coming forcefully. I will read the entire thread and will provide my reads on my suspect along with birdwith.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:43 pm @Creature if there's anything that I've learned in my time on this planet it's that if you sus bwt day 1 and he's not bad, you are. Wanna flip that coin buddy?

So I just found this. Wilgy is calling out Creature for doing something that Oreki did Day 1... but Wilgy doesn't throw any suspicion Oreki's way for it. I don't like that at all.
Dude. I've only read like 1/3rd the thread. Is Oreki my teammate now?

Oreki's vote is currently not on Wilgy. Worth noting.

Of all the players Wilgy is the best lynch today. I have my reservations, namely his acquiescence but I think he has the most to gain from the Kyle and Epi deaths.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:29 pm I see what you mean oreki, now it's seeming like this wagon is taking a significant lead as easily as the creature wagon did. I'm tempted to switch back to juliets or maybe join you on bwt

Nutella, Oreki and Wilgy are Mafia together I think.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:29 pm I see what you mean oreki, now it's seeming like this wagon is taking a significant lead as easily as the creature wagon did. I'm tempted to switch back to juliets or maybe join you on bwt
Nutella, Oreki and Wilgy are Mafia together I think.
Why Oreki? I feel like he might be civ because he seems like he is speaking his own mind, but he's come off as lacking conviction to really pursue any of his suspects further than just surface level stuff.

Linki: Looking forward to seeing the rest.

It's team building. If Wilgy flips Oreki is a compatible teammate. Nutella is compatible with both of them and has generally been pinging me. The latest Nut pings were the "golly gee I dunno" posts that highlighted just how absent usual Nutella is from the proceedings here.

I think the Mafia, which I have just described who I think it is. Have been setting up a BWT mislynch since the game started.

I think Indiglo is a civ.

I also have changed my mind on Juliets. Civ.

I am strongly civ reading BWT now too. Pretty strong civ read on Rej.

After this flip we should do GTH. Now is the time.

Mafia vote more carefully than civs as a rule

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:53 pm Mac I briefly reconsidered the wilgy vote bc it caught on too easily like the creature one and wilgy does get mislynched often but I still feel it's the strongest choice now. I agree that oreki looks compatible with him though. And if not bwt or indi as the third teammate, why not mata here? I have no reason to townread her and she seems to just be sheeping.

Or Sok. Or you.

Riiiiight.

GTH? I am phone posting. Can someone else fire the names?

Nutella do you mind organising? I am trying to get kids ready for school haha.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:21 pm I am working. And on phone. And am not sold on gth being productive. Sorry.

You aren't sold on it being productive in general or right now?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm GTH? I am phone posting. Can someone else fire the names?
birdwithteeth11
Dragomir
indiglo
juliets
Long Con
MacDougall
Matahari
nutella
Oreki
Rej
SokothQultuq

Oh well let's just do it all at once.

Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Me
Town
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Mafia

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:24 pm I'll do a GTH/rainbow read of my own.

birdwithteeth11
Mac
juliets
Long Con
Drago
rej
Indi
Mata
nutella
Sokoth
Oreki

The second to last is supposed to be neutral and the last is slightly bad. I can't remember the colors for how this is supposed to fully work lol.

This is very close to my own

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:24 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:05 pm GTH? I am phone posting. Can someone else fire the names?
birdwithteeth11
Dragomir
indiglo
juliets
Long Con
MacDougall
Matahari
nutella
Oreki
Rej
SokothQultuq
Oh well let's just do it all at once.

Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Me
Town
Mafia
Mafia
Town
Mafia
Wilgy's indy result doesn't change your feelings about any of your previous candidates?

No. Not really.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:30 pm @MacDougall, both.

Why do you townread mata?

Bwt, why do you have several neutral and only one scum read?

GTH doesn't work like that. Also I am not answering you on any of my GTH reads unless you offer your own. Totally not fair.

Reads please Nutella. Before you try to pick at others you should offer some.

WB Sabie. Sorry to hear about your aunt Mata. Oreki is a civilian.

For some reason I attributed one of Matahari's posts to Oreki. Matahari is the civilian. Oreki can be bad.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 pm I just wrote a half case and it got deleted, I cry q.q

Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf

Riiiiight.

20 pages and no scumflips. Nutella is in cruise mode. I'd vote there especially now that Dragomir has died in front of her.

This game is going to hell and I am not seeing civilian Nutella.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 9:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 9:35 pm 20 pages and no scumflips. Nutella is in cruise mode. I'd vote there especially now that Dragomir has died in front of her.
I will look at her tomorrow but shouldn't I also be wondering why you are still alive?

Sure I won't begrudge you that. I'm obviously not a threat to the Mafia at this point.

Yes very good. You have solved the game.

Oh yay

My thoughts are if the civs in this game just continue to take the piss then we might as well give up. I was busy for a day and the laziest lynch to ever lynch took place.

If Nutella isn't Mafia I will eat my own hand.

If we just come out tomorrow and lynch the lowest hanging fruit again the game is over.

I'll be voting for Nutella tomorrow. Hopefully we get some consensus.

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