The Syndicate

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] explain your note giving and how you think you may have killed Sloonei?

If you killed Sloonei then who did the mafia kill? How can you think you killed Sloonei when he's clearly a mafia kill?

Also you're mafia anyway so you don't need to answer any of these loaded questions buddy.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

If any of y'all town are like rolecops or something lemme know.

[mention]Hyena[/mention] what did Quin do exactly?

I forgot Enrique was in the game. He can be mafia too.

Oh he died. That's why I forgot he was in the game. He can't be mafia.

Anyway TSP is uber scummy I don't know what he's done to make everyone love him but his day 2 especially was trash.

I'm glad Alison is saying all the stuff I've been thinking so I don't have to say it lol

After it was an absolute foregone conclusion and you realised that you were never gonna get the mischop you were subtly pushing for.

Actually I think Alison is mafia lol

Chaotic good Mac strikes again

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:54 pm Actually I think Alison is mafia lol
nah

I just read everyone's day 1s. FG and Marmot are town. Nut is probably town. TSP/You are guaranteed 1 between. I think you were powerwolfing.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:50 am I like LC jumping on a perceived slip. It's not a real slip, but being attentive to scumslips is townie (mafia know exactly who the mafia are most of the time and don't care) and the way he handled it doesn't look like scum trying to drum up suspicion based on a poor choice of wording.

First post is a hard defence of mafia LC

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm I routinely lie and manipulate as town. It's just optimal play.

Poison has told me that she often feels very uncomfortable as mafia and gets found out very quickly, and that she's generally bad at playing mafia. But in this game she feels very comfortable and fluid. I understand that a game where she is mafia has just ended; what was she like in that game?

First person to start gravitating towards a Poison yeet

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.
I can see it. Pre-slank excuse, mech chatter, and bland greetings.
I could see Vulgard being scum but mostly because their posting looks kinda carefully controlled to be as inoffensive and trigger people's scumdars as little as possible. I had a confused reaction to that mechanic as well so I don't blame them for the mech chatter, and I think pre-slank excuses are NAI. There are very few people (in general, but especially on the Syndicate) who roll scum and then go "alright! I'm going to go and give an excuse so I can coast through D1!" Not only is this just uncommon behavior, it's also suboptimal - you allow yourself to engage in some anti-town behavior, but in exchange you lose a lot of ability to gain trust and manipulate the town. Syndicate is not a site that is afraid to exe slankers and you will win a lot more games by powerwolfing than coasting.

You both are pocketing Sloonei through sleeping the Vulgard read. Vulgard is openly scummy and three overt supertown types were pushing there. You just always bus. You overexplained the justification to bus.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:24 pm Syn's description of themselves as "agitating" is bothering me and I can't put my finger on why. I just think it's a little weird for someone to describe themselves/their mafia play that way. I also can't explain why that's mafia indicative though. (My best theory is that it's setting up an excuse for awkwardness/discomfort by implying that his posts always rub people the wrong way? But I don't really believe that even as I write it and it feels like a rationalization of a gut read more than anything.)

Stops on a dime to throw some shit at another townie.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:11 pm [VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Poison: Here's your five points.

1) Your reads haven't made sense to me this game.

2) The way you flooded the thread with a bunch of meaningless posts is a scumtell.

3) The way you handled the "I have TMI on TSP too" stuff with nutella was awkward and bad, and now that TSP has been spewed green it looks a lot like you really did have TMI on him and were trying to pass it off as a joke.

4) LC's flip hasn't changed your read on me at all, indicating that you are not interested in having good reads and are looking to push a narrative.

5) LC has made a lot of people look good except you. That means there are very few candidates who can be mafia, which means the probability of any individual player in the list being mafia is higher. Combined with the above 4 points, that makes your scum equity pretty high.

Here you moved off the Poison vote to vote Vulgard as a resignation but keep slinging shit at Poison.

What I am seeing is someone who went about building negative momentum towards a heap of town players d1 but was forced to townside and vote Vulgard because of the gamestate.

You have been too wrong to be town Alison.

Also you appear to be my antithesis so that makes you rand>mafia too.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:54 pm Actually I think Alison is mafia lol
nah
I just read everyone's day 1s. FG and Marmot are town. Nut is probably town. TSP/You are guaranteed 1 between. I think you were powerwolfing.
Is this a scum slip?

Yes

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:02 pm Here you moved off the Poison vote to vote Vulgard as a resignation but keep slinging shit at Poison.

What I am seeing is someone who went about building negative momentum towards a heap of town players d1 but was forced to townside and vote Vulgard because of the gamestate.
You are simultaneously accusing me of trying to pocket Sloonei by bussing Vulgard and then claiming that I was forced to townside when I really wanted to exe Poison. I was one of the big pushers on Vulgard early too. It doesn't make sense to say that I was pushing both Vulgard and random townies. I didn't have to sling shit at Poison if I was mafia there either. I could just vote Vulgard, collect my towncred and let town talk themselves into a D2 Poison exe which they would have done with or without me throwing shade.

The thing is I don't need to convince anyone I'm right cuz I'm just gonna kill you myself Alison.

You have exactly 5 minutes to convince me not to.

Tick tock

Dear town.

If Alison is town kill TSP.

I'm gonna clear her from the POE regardless cuz otherwise if she's mafia we will just lose to her.

I'm gonna die too when I do this.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm Mac I just went into your ISO and I can show you posts where you slung shit at nutella and shaded Poison just as well as I did. So you can fuck off with your push on me. Everyone suspected Poison D1 and you trying to make me seem like the villain because I pushed Poison annoys me.

That's cool but I'm town and I am gonna flip at the same time you do.

Tick tock

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:07 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:02 pm Here you moved off the Poison vote to vote Vulgard as a resignation but keep slinging shit at Poison.

What I am seeing is someone who went about building negative momentum towards a heap of town players d1 but was forced to townside and vote Vulgard because of the gamestate.
You are simultaneously accusing me of trying to pocket Sloonei by bussing Vulgard and then claiming that I was forced to townside when I really wanted to exe Poison. I was one of the big pushers on Vulgard early too. It doesn't make sense to say that I was pushing both Vulgard and random townies. I didn't have to sling shit at Poison if I was mafia there either. I could just vote Vulgard, collect my towncred and let town talk themselves into a D2 Poison exe which they would have done with or without me throwing shade.
The thing is I don't need to convince anyone I'm right cuz I'm just gonna kill you myself Alison.
I don't believe you have a dayvig, you're just saying this to troll me or because you're tunnelled. You did the exact same thing in Radiohead where you said you had a nuke that could kill all the mafia or whatever.

Not the correct way to go about this.

Youre dying in a minute or so so leave your legacy miss supertown.

I will give you time to leave a legacy you're satisfied with before we both die k?

Also there is an antithesis to Sloonei's role called a comprehensive assassin. Don't know any more about that than that.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:11 pm Youre dying in a minute or so so leave your legacy miss supertown.
Same as before. TSP is bad, FG -> Marmot -> whoever Hyena suspects most in the 4 is my POE after him. nutella and Hyena are town.

You sure you don't wanna say more?

If Alison dies and flips town TSP is gonna die anyway. This is the correct play cuz we will lose to a mafia Alison in my opinion.

The only proof will come too late.

Let's take a minute to talk about how we both skipped a day. You say you don't know why you did. I know why I did cuz its part of my role. I recall someone claiming that they may have caused it. Who was it that said that?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:17 pm Let's take a minute to talk about how we both skipped a day. You say you don't know why you did. I know why I did cuz its part of my role. I recall someone claiming that they may have caused it. Who was it that said that?
I don't know why we both skipped. I just got a PM from nanook saying that I was out of the thread D2 and couldn't talk or vote. Then he pinged me in-thread to inform me that I was rejoining the thread. You're very obviously softing some kind of flavor cop with the thesis/antithesis talk so if our roles are linked somehow it's possible that you phasing out of the thread pulled me with you.

I am a time travelling steampunk. On odd days I can use my secret weapon which is a suicide bomb. On even days I am out of the thread but I learn "something about the game". I learned of the existence of Sloonei's role and the comprehensive assassin but nothing specific about them.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:26 pm And Alison claims to have read the TSP iso smh

Quote the post please

I hate you all

This has become a clusterfuck. I'm gonna blow myself up after I figure out the best target. I'm just gonna go to Vulgard/LC spew.

I have a TOWN role that gives me information

Information was that there is a Comprehensive Assassin and a Comprehensive Detective.

Nutella has claimed the Assassin. Sloonei is a dead town detective and the literal host has spewed the other role as mafia fmpov. But if she's mafia she wouldn't claim so fuck it.

Alison is powerwolfing and has scumsided. TSP feels like a jittery slipping and sliding open wolf. FG and Marmot look townspewed by LC to me. Quin just farted rainbows of town energy everywhere. Hyena felt town.

Tl;dr reeeee

Everything Alison seems to do has an agenda of pushing a yeet against someone who's townspewed themselves fmpov. Tracing back to her first fucking push.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:32 pm This has become a clusterfuck. I'm gonna blow myself up after I figure out the best target. I'm just gonna go to Vulgard/LC spew.
I nominate funnygurl or quin

God damn you all for making me actually solve this game.

First cab off the rank to solve.

Who DOESN'T want Sloonei to die.

Answer, deepwolves who he townreads.

Sloonei FMPOV was shot at twice. Syn preventing the first kill, then obviously him actually dying.

So Sloonei has been an absolute lock kill choice for the mafia since jump street.

Which means that his reads are fire and he was totally fear killed. There is no wifom reason for Nutella particularly to kill him. I need to read his ISO to determine who him being a desperation fear kill by mafia otherwise spews town.

I guess I have no choice but to lock Nutella in to my townclear number one spot even though I hate it.

Town players in this game have not done a good enough job making it obvious that they are town. Net result: Mafia can just shoot at Sloonei and we get little to no information from it.

So in reality this exercise is clearly not the most optimal use of my limited energy so fuck it.

Sloonei's POE would have been literally FG and that's all. So FG is at the bottom tier in level 1 worlds.

Nutella

Everyone

FG

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:44 pm Town players in this game have not done a good enough job making it obvious that they are town. Net result: Mafia can just shoot at Sloonei and we get little to no information from it.
This is semi absurd.

With all due respect you are not me, I'm going to self resolve and I don't care how you feel about you feel about my thought processes as a result.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:46 pm Mac are you blowing up fg or

I am going to literally kill at least one confirmed town so I am not going to recklessly use my ability until I have near confirmation or no other choice.

I am 100% going to use it today or else I will just die anyway.

Nutella you are literally the only person right now who I have no interest in reading any content that further town confirms you because you're either mafia who has got themselves cleared above all town or you are town and you are not getting killed until f3.

In a bubble, Alison has pushes on (whether light or hard) every dead town player. If you are town and she pushed on you, then from your perspective you should be reading her as completely anti town. This is the same Alison that when I have towned with her recently we basically just tag team curb stomped mafia without expending any effort whatsoever.

So the question is, is she in her rare anti-town but town mode, or is she just powerwolfing.

The latter is decidedly more likely.

Does Alison self resolve? Will she cop a stray mafia bullet if she is town. Do I need to kill her or can I trust that the town will eventually get her before she gets to parity if she is mafia? Is killing her a potentially game losing move to make if I am town? Help me.

She can't have any more than one partner if she is mafia. This person would be in the group outside of the thread.

How many chops do we have until parity if we have two wolves remaining?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:49 pm Nutella you are literally the only person right now who I have no interest in reading any content that further town confirms you because you're either mafia who has got themselves cleared above all town or you are town and you are not getting killed until f3.
why am i not getting killed

alison prob goes before me but.... pls

Killed by town before f3.

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