The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:10 pm DDL fought the Mac's lynch and was consistent about it. I don't see why he would do that. I don't think it was tmi but rather genuine concern.

Come on Nova I don't need to spell out why a Mafia would defend a known civ do I? It's a fundamental tactic.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:05 pm If anyone on Bob wagon is Mafia it's Dunya. She tried to hammer me last second until she saw Jay had voted Bob and switched back to Bob. I only saw it because I was refreshing madly.

that isn't true though. i voted for cbob on my phone right after i told you i hope you don't make me feel stupid then pressed back on my phone and it disappeared, showing i voted for you, then i was frantic and clicked you then bob and refreshed, waiting for my laptop to start up again. at no point did i see Jay had voted there before i voted. swear to ya. i don't usually do last second voting on my phone at 3am.

So you votes Bob. Pressed back and saw your vote still on me and then ... voted for me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:12 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:10 pm DDL fought the Mac's lynch and was consistent about it. I don't see why he would do that. I don't think it was tmi but rather genuine concern.

Come on Nova I don't need to spell out why a Mafia would defend a known civ do I? It's a fundamental tactic.

I mean known to him... as Mafia.

Worst case scenario here is a Dunya, DDL/Reywas/Sabie, Epi team.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:12 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:10 pm DDL fought the Mac's lynch and was consistent about it. I don't see why he would do that. I don't think it was tmi but rather genuine concern.

Come on Nova I don't need to spell out why a Mafia would defend a known civ do I? It's a fundamental tactic.

It's the way he went about it. He reads genuine as fuck, and I don't think he'd be that obvious so that's why I don't think it's tmi.

What way would he have gone about it if he was Mafia?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:15 pm Worst case scenario here is a Dunya, DDL/Reywas/Sabie, Epi team.

so there's 4 mafia in a 12 player game?

I said worst case scenario sheesh

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:17 pm why would i say ITT that i'm voting for cbob and hope you don't make an ass out of me and not vote for cbob? consider that.

"Sorry Mac I just really thought you were Mafia and had to do it."

"OMG sorry mac my phone went crazy".

Trying to convince me that certain actions, comments etc. don't make sense as Mafia never appeals to me as a defense. Scum can do anything, it's how to win as scum.

More demonstrable town activity is better. Think of it like a town'o'meter where you're awarded points based on things you say and do.

You're like 65% at the moment. Not in danger yet lol.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:17 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:12 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:10 pm DDL fought the Mac's lynch and was consistent about it. I don't see why he would do that. I don't think it was tmi but rather genuine concern.

Come on Nova I don't need to spell out why a Mafia would defend a known civ do I? It's a fundamental tactic.

It's the way he went about it. He reads genuine as fuck, and I don't think he'd be that obvious so that's why I don't think it's tmi.

What way would he have gone about it if he was Mafia?

Beats me but it sure as hell doesn't look like this. What does he gain from doing these kind of posts? He wasn't actively defending you to actually gain anything if you ended up getting lynched. More like a confused dude

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:45 pm I'm getting a civ vibe from Mac. Though I've been wrong about that civ vibe before.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:07 pm I hate this Mac lynch.

You are underestimating or intentionally downplaying DDL's skills if you think he isn't capable of that.

DDL defended me all day but when push came to shove he didn't vote with me even though he had his own reservations towards Bob. There's an argument that he is the most suspect player in the game right now for that alone.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:24 pm More demonstrable town activity is better. Think of it like a town'o'meter where you're awarded points based on things you say and do.

i can't wait to lynch s/a ass outta this game.

I am a civilian though nerd.

You think there is only one Mafia left Dunya?

Nova having TMI on DDL is a huge likelihood at this point Dunya you're right.

What does everyone else think?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:33 pm What does everyone else think?

well we certainly don't think there's 4 mafia like you do apparently

Thanks for your input person who already gave it

I don't usually call my votes because it helps when I am Mafia to be able to slip votes on things so I do it as a civ so as to not be called out. #longgame

I am Alex Osbourne but I don't know what to make of it

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:53 pm in case i do die, cos role shenanigans are a thing even if i'm not specifically targeted: nova/ddl/sabie/DF as cbob's teammate. sabie ignoring my point against her doesn't seem very sabie like. i'm putting her in the pile again since i didn't like the hypocrisy in being offended at being scum-read because of how much content was in her posts, but using it as a reason to scum read epi herself...confusing and an inaccurate representation.

possible s/a: ddl/mac maybe quinster.

i feel genuinely good about everyone else.

I really don't appreciate you STILL suspecting me. It's wrong and baseless and dumb.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:10 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:53 pm in case i do die, cos role shenanigans are a thing even if i'm not specifically targeted: nova/ddl/sabie/DF as cbob's teammate. sabie ignoring my point against her doesn't seem very sabie like. i'm putting her in the pile again since i didn't like the hypocrisy in being offended at being scum-read because of how much content was in her posts, but using it as a reason to scum read epi herself...confusing and an inaccurate representation.

possible s/a: ddl/mac maybe quinster.

i feel genuinely good about everyone else.

I really don't appreciate you STILL suspecting me. It's wrong and baseless and dumb.

what's dumb is calling you a fool proof civilian when you could be self aligned. and annie edison isn't dumb. i actually hate the impression i get from you in pushing the idea that this game only has mafia. 4 of them, too. it makes me feel wary of why you don't want us looking for an indy.

You have been tunneling me all game and when it is apparent I am not Mafia you pivot into this tinfoily disaster. You're probably the rogue. You are obsessed with rogues.

RIP Dunya.

Excessively strange choice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:05 pm If anyone on Bob wagon is Mafia it's Dunya. She tried to hammer me last second until she saw Jay had voted Bob and switched back to Bob. I only saw it because I was refreshing madly.

I don't really see it.

Uh, yeah, me either.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:23 am There's either a role blocker or a redirect in play, and they're either bad or a wildly incompetent civ.

I don't know why Mac thinks Dunya was a weird choice for NK, she was one of the most blatantly civ players in the game. I figured it was pretty much 50/50 for either her or Jay as the first to go.

No way. You need to pay closer attention if that's your lay of the land. Quin, Jay, Colin, myself would have all made more sense.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:25 am DFaraday is a civilian. I don't even care what the role claim is.

You're bad. Do you block or redirect DF?

No try again

We need to talk less and the four that have votes need to talk way more. How bout that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:08 am We need to talk less and the four that have votes need to talk way more. How bout that?

Sounds great, but if we clear the way and then they don't do anything the game is dead. We may be its only engine.

I want to give the civilians among them a chance to emerge via acting like and being a civilian though.

I must admit that my first thought when I saw the phase ended was that Epi killed Dunya and then came into the thread to try to pile shit onto Sabie with haste.

Also possible that that there is a doctor that blocked one kill and Dunya was killed by a rogue (given she was the only one rogue hunting her being killed by a rogue makes more sense to me than her being the Mafia kill).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:16 am I must admit that my first thought when I saw the phase ended was that Epi killed Dunya and then came into the thread to try to pile shit onto Sabie with haste.

Also plausible. Epignosis doesn't seem to care that dunya was sabie's only defender in his present stance.

Removing Dunya not only removes a solid town voice but also removes the only defender of the person he has been positioning for a lynch. Yeah it's definitely possible.

Well I found it surprising. Anyway moving on.

Let's play Trustfall?

I forget the ideal structure of it but it seems valid for working out who the civvies are in the POE.

ColinIsCool - Had his vote positioned on me nice and early and switched onto the Mafia godfather for a haphazard reason and stayed there. 90%

DFaraday - Tone reads well. It's easy to understand his points. 55%

Dragon D. Luffy - Wifom aside, it's a bit odd to kill a player you're building a case on. Defended me a lot when I was the only alternative candidate to the Godfather. 20%

Epignosis - Is playing to his meta and offering a civilian looking effort. 45%

JaggedJimmyJay - Hammered the Godfather when I was there to be hammered. 99%

novaselinenever - Jay says that he seems sincere to him. 20%

Quin - Got his vote onto Bob early and kept it there. Has civ fire. 90%

reywas - Can't really differentiate his play all that much from the other game I have been closely obeserving in which he flipped civ. 15%

sabie12 - Is the ideal patsy for a day 2 mislynch. 15%

How's that?

No I think I only managed to get Bob lynched because there were no other obvious options aside from myself and I was present at EOD to beg to be saved. I don't think there would have been a lynch Bob movement out of it at all.

Jay being Mafia is worthy of zero consideration.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:56 pm Btw guys

Turns out I have a crapload of money and I'm too old to spend it, so if anyone has used ability shots that you would like to use again, I can literally buy more shots for you. Let me know and if I don't think you are too scummy I might help.

Right here

Actually give to Jay

Reywas seems like a disinterested civ.

Nova or Sabie for me.

I would have just voted for Sabie anyway. RIP Sabie.

I don't think Reywas either though. Not enough attempt at saving. Didn't even self pres vote. Gotta think a Mafia cares enough to check in there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:52 pm Mac and Quin are both mafia and bussed bob together.

This is stupid

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:46 pm @MacDougall, I don't believe you really believe that assertion is stupid. You would have no problem doing that.

Yes, I would. Me building a case on and successfully lynching the Godfather on day one is so off my meta and so retarded that I am questioning your fucking sanity right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:14 pm @Dragon D. Luffy, if there are two more mafia members, who are they?

How in the blue hell could you arrive at Mac and Quin bussed in a game in which this post exists.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:31 am I'm confident sabie is bad.

Jay, just think about it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:46 pm MacDougall, I don't believe you really believe that assertion is stupid. You would have no problem doing that.

Yes, I would. Me building a case on and successfully lynching the Godfather on day one is so off my meta and so retarded that I am questioning your fucking sanity right now.

You don't think rey is bad. Who is?

From most to least suspect:

novaselinenever
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
reywas - replaced by leetic
DFaraday
ColinIsCool
Quin
JaggedJimmyJay

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:14 pm Dragon D. Luffy, if there are two more mafia members, who are they?

How in the blue hell could you arrive at Mac and Quin bussed in a game in which this post exists.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:31 am I'm confident sabie is bad.

Jay, just think about it.

What?

Spend some time analysing my posts, analyse other peoples posts. I am sure you will see that I am a civilian. It's a preposterous notion. Anyone who has been my Mafia teammate knows that I am very unlikely to bus people. I know how important early mislynches are because it achieves numerical advantages. If you are suggesting there was no avenue to an alternative lynch on day 1 you're wrong because you put Nova into the mix at a time when I really could have just echoed you. I stayed strong on Bob.

Notwithstanding that if it came down to a lynch between Godfather and myself on day 1, when I was really the only one suspecting Bob and I had suspicion. I would demand my teammates bus ME.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:37 pm @MacDougall, what do you do with that lengthy announcement Sloonei posted?

I would read it and take it under advisement because it seems like a crier and that's usually a civilian. It's Monday morning and I spent my weekend doing other things so I haven't read it all that closely yet.

I presume that you are just trying to put suspicion on me to stop the Mafia from shooting at me, so thanks for trying that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:37 pm MacDougall, what do you do with that lengthy announcement Sloonei posted?

I would read it and take it under advisement because it seems like a crier and that's usually a civilian. It's Monday morning and I spent my weekend doing other things so I haven't read it all that closely yet.

A lot of evidence suggests that was Epignosis.

When I first saw it I thought so too but he said he's unfamiliar with the show and the post looked like someone familiar with the show. I believe him. Epi doesn't watch TV hardly at all if I remember correctly. So you would need to believe that he went and familiarised himself with the show just to write that post. I think it was probably Colin.

I also just read it back and see that he used the phrase "Genuquin" which I would never see Epignosis doing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:44 pm When I first saw it I thought so too but he said he's unfamiliar with the show and the post looked like someone familiar with the show. I believe him. Epi doesn't watch TV hardly at all if I remember correctly. So you would need to believe that he went and familiarised himself with the show just to write that post. I think it was probably Colin.

I also just read it back and see that he used the phrase "Genuquin" which I would never see Epignosis doing.

I would hope somebody would step up when I say this:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:33 pm I'm moving my vote because I believe that announcement is Epignosis. The reads suggest it too (particularly the read on Epignosis). If that thing was someone else, you need to speak up.

Does this sound like Epignosis?

"Quin, on the other hand, looks genuine. Yes, genuine. "Genuquin" is not a word, nor is it a clever portmanteau. His response to dunya's eyes of death (which we never want to see again) was casual, carefree, and without care. Quin is not high up on the totem pole (can we even say "totem pole" anymore?) of good folk, but he's at least on there, probably serving as one of the lower, more familiar spirit animals, like the newt or the hobo."

This would be made a whole hell of a lot easier if the person who made that post just outright claimed. There's very little reason not to. (Being too headstrong to claim does sound like Epi though).

Actually that does sound like Epi because he is mad at people for making up words.

Notwithstanding I don't see how Epi being a civilian makes me Mafia. DDL, DFaraday and Leetic remain as suspects. The fact that Reywas was replaced by Leetic is not a point to him being a civilian given I only civ read him for perceived lack of defence, and now it would appear he genuinely had checked out. I'd go as far as to say that the slight civ tick I gave him for that is rescinded and he is back to being an obvious candidate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:52 pm Now, that role mustn't necessarily be a civilian role. I just can't think of any mafia utility for it other than "it looks like a civilian role".

What an awesome mafia utility.

Epi and DDL both have the distinction of having defended be day 1 from quite an onslaught only to in the end find their votes on arbitrary third party candidates rather than Bob. I hate that look for the both of them.

It's how you say, "token buddying". Be my mate in all things except when push comes to shove let the town push a mislynch against me and hope it goes through.

Also both of them had got themselves into a position where voting for me over Bob would have made them highly suspect.