The Syndicate

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:06 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:39 pm Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Marge is town. I think Burns is town. Grampa's recent posts have made me doubt my scumread on him a bit. I feel like the thread is descending into an orgy of people nitpicking stuff about each other's posts and/or getting super defensive and lashing out when their own posts gets nitpicked. I think there's a decent number of people active lurking, eating popcorn, and watching the town tear each other into shreds.

I am currently more in favor of putting pressure on inactive people to contribute. I do not agree with Burns that Milhouse coming in to post some random read salad without any explanations or serious pushes is a townie entrance. I'm am concerned that Skinner and Hugh are still AWOL. I am also concerned that Ned Flanders has had three posts the entire day, scumread Burns early on, and then dropped a vote on him without any announcement, after Marge pushed Burns. (If you check the poll you will see that Flanders voted Burns after Marge and Homer voted, even though his suspicion on Burns purportedly came long before.) I do not know what Flanders' progression on the game is or why he is drive by voting Burns at a very convenient timing without saying anything.

So those four are my POE. I trust Otto, Marge, Burns, Grumple and Krusty. I am willing to accept Marge + Homer's testimony that they know who Bart is and that his behavior this game strongly indicates that he is town. I started off with an early Lisa townread, but she has since fallen off. So my 5 townreads + tentatively Bart is my townpool for today. Everyone else who isn't directly in the POE or in my townpool is somewhere in the middle.

Something about this sentence just doesn't sit well with me...it's borderline TMI. Slankers/lurkers certainly need to be addressed at some point, but RD1 it feels an easy way to push a mislynch.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:11 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:47 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:06 pm Something about this sentence just doesn't sit well with me...it's borderline TMI. Slankers/lurkers certainly need to be addressed at some point, but RD1 it feels an easy way to push a mislynch.

That's not what TMI means - TMI would be me being correct about my accusation of active lurkers and knowing that they are scum because they are in fact scum.

How do you propose we address slankers who post just enough to avoid being subbed out, but not enough to actually contribute? Because I think the thread is in a pretty chaotic state right now, lots of people are pointing fingers at each other, and that is a perfect atmosphere for mafia to lurk in. Therefore I think mafia are going to be very incentivized to slank out D1, especially when they have the cover of "this is a meme game/I'm just staying in character" to hide behind.

I don't think D1 is the time to take out slankers

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:11 pm Grample and Comic Dude I don't feel as good about as I do you and Allison, but not bad.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:19 pm Grampa-feisty old man, but pushes seem to produce reactions so good for the town

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:25 pm Twenty posts in and I like Krusty so far. I think he has a clear misunderstanding with Grandpa that is probably really easy to point out...for anyone other than the two of them...and that everything else he has said (except some obligatory empty jokes) was pretty solid town mindset.

In the Grandpa/Marge/Krusty triangle the only thing that doesn't seem to make sense from town is exactly what Grandpa pointed out...

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:44 pm If Grampa is someone who has never heard of Mac then this is probably all pretty annoying/mystifying.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:26 pm That was either just plain awful or a perfect roleplay of Grampa Simpson and I can't decide which I am thinking.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:08 am Grampa I have as low hanging fruit that may or may not be a wolf. I figure enough people are chasing him around that he is gonna get sorted so I'm paying more attention to how the chasers chase than I am to him.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:39 am If I look at Gramps, will you look at the Marge/Homer thing that I haven't sorted out yet?

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:15 am I have reread the entire thread though, with an eye on Grampa Simpson. My first observation is that he is a native of CFC and that explains a LOT about how this game has gone for him. His disputes on day one struck me very much as two people talking past each other, where both made sense to me but neither seemed able to follow the other.

As an example, Marge is playing from "Syndicate wolves work hard, so Homer's gif posting goof offery is not wolfy." Grampa is playing from "I didn't really say it was wolfy, I said it was bad." He arrives, reasonably, at "why are you defending bad play?" while Marge is still on the idea that it isn't bad play, it's 'Syndicate town telling' and Homer is really helping us out with his "light hearted playfulness instead of wolf intensity." Talking past each other.

Since I only play an occasional game on the Syndicate I get it. It's hard to town "the Syndicate way" when you play a lot in places where towns are intense, not woo-foo look at me gif happyfests.

Knowing that Grandpa is not a regular Syndi-cat also makes it easier for me to get around the Mac wolf read. Mac was wrong about me when he thought I was a Syndi-cat too, but backed off when he recognized me. I'm guessing he was seeing a similar "wolfiness" in Grampa.

So I have done what I told Hugh I would do. I don't particularly think Grampa is a wolf...but as a CFCer he always could be a wolf. None of the reasons people have read him as a wolf are really compelling though. Those are just things that if I'd been thinking about it would have been CFC indicative, not alignment indicative.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:01 pm Krusty, Allison, Bart, Grampa Hugh and Grumple are definitely not getting my vote today.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:23 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:58 pm A good PoE is 5 here Burns, what 2 names would you add to the 3?

Two of you, Grampa, and Krusty...but I am afraid that three is all I get really. If I don't hit one in those first three I'm out. If I hit one then I throw a party out all reads and assess based on a red flip.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:39 pm Bart...Allison...Hugh...Krusty...Otto...Grampa...any one of them could be a deep wolf. It's starting to look likely that maybe two of them are deep wolves. But I have nothing to sort them with. Like you said about me...all they have done is chop towns.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:08 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:07 pm gotta reread my proofreading marks guide, bye bye

Sucking up to Principle Skinner noted.

Real men never proofread.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

Why are you on Mill?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:18 pm

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:07 pm [VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:46 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

Do you suspect me for being absent up until the last half hour or so?

To the thread, to anyone reading your posts. I didn't mean it as in you trying to get people to join on that wagon, more like selling it as legitimate I guess.

What was suspicious about him dropping that town/scum wall? Did you have no other wolf read from D1?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:11 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:52 am

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Mill -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:02 pm Mill is town for that post calling alignment based on entrance posts. I'm having trouble seeing a flanking wolf do that post and then just dip, it's the kind of unprompted things that usually comes from town, like I guess he had the urge to do alignment guesses for fun.

Gramps -

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:18 pm

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:07 pm [VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

You -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Cool story bro

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:52 am

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

I absolutely couldn't care less if you're buying into whatever "it" is lol. There is also no "KNEW", you're being extremely disingenuous here. It is expected though. I highlighted the read I made on Mill just in response to you saying I haven't made any reads.

He was indeed no worse than rand, and that is my opinion lol. I'm not on any high horse, you're the one apparently all worked up. Relax, buddy.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:54 am Finally caught up! I'm feeling things, feeling a lot of things but I'm having trouble trying to put them into words lol. It was also pretty difficult internalizing information, felt like reading posts from new players everywhere and the lack of familiarity with avys I guess you get lost sometimes and don't even remember who said what.

I think my strongest town reads would be Marge, Otto and Alison. Found myself agreeing with like almost everything Marge saying and that's pretty crazy lol. We have the two same scum reads and like most of her posts comes off as natural and you can see her train of thoughts. They're like open and accessible if that makes any sense, doesn't feel like there is an agenda behind them. I usually find the "lol" and other laughing acronyms as scum tells sometimes when they don't really match the tone and vibe of a player, and they're like using them to sweeten their post and comes off as anxious. Here it feels like she's just having fun, and it kind of gives off a good care free vibe that is townie.

Otto and Alison are the og contributors of the thread. I liked the energy they came in with, and it felt like it came with genuine game solving intent. Didn't really agree all that much with some of Otto's reads but they felt genuine, a lot of progression and reconsiderations which makes me feel like he's trying to figure out people for real and not just putting a show. I particularly liked post 72, I think it's the kind of post that only town does. It's nothing fancy but like scum never make them because they're never solving for real. I don't know if this make any sense lol, it's like the kind of self reflecting and gathering of thoughts that comes from a townie mindset when they're trying to get a feel for the state of the game. Agreed with his Gtumple take, felt also genuine and not like him wanting to get Grumple off his back. I understand it too 'cause you usually can have personal takes on how someone is treating you so you can get reads from it, I'm a no u specialist since I feel like I have good instincts for when scum is pushing me for bullshit reasons lol. Overall have the same thought about Alison, I liked her Gramps take and while I started suspecting him for different and more personal reasons, her take are good. The change of speed of Gramps is particularily telling. I also like her feelings about the state of the game and how its going, feel like genuine town concerns.

Pretty much agree with Marge about Homer. The idgaf attitude her and not tailoring his game to people especially after getting prodded is more likely town than not. Also it actually feels genuine, rather than like a scum trying to sell that fake bravado. He kind of embodies it here lol. The lock town on Mill is absolutely beautiful.

I'm having some trouble with CBG, little bit of a love hate relationship. I kind of read his concise posts as town like, they feel like naked thoughts and right to the point. Also some of the silly one liners he's dished have surprisingly pinged me town lol. He has that same attitude vibe that Homer have, although it's not something that is unfakeable (if that is word). Not sure if I'm dumb but post 417 is town for me lmao. We have Mill about to get eliminated, and it's like a meme-y mafia read on him that I just don't think Mafia ever makes. It's fucking hilarious.

Unlike his parents, I have no fucking clue who Bart is. He's in my townpile though. I guess for the bland reasons that his thoughts are genuine bla bla bla lol. I kind of like the little work he's done when he's been playing the game and contributing. Feels real to me, and while it actually matches other peoples reads especially the scum reads, it kind of comes off as he's coming into them on his own like he's playing the game at his own pace.

Kristy, and Lisa are in my PoE. I haven't really figured them out much and some stuff have pinged me. Also not a lot of things to work with. Krusty gives off a weird disattached vibe, like he's a robot if that makes sense lol. There is like no emotion accompanying his posts and it comes off as if he's not actually trying to figure people out just asking questions. Speaking of questions, I'm not seeing him reach much conclusions and seems like he's just faking contributions through those questions who don't seem most of the time to be stuff that will actually help him figure someone out. More like bland and semantic stuff that I guess help him fake contribution. I think his take on Mill's wall post is the kind of wolfy remark used to shade others. He's like piggy backing off others when they're discussing Mill, and he just pops in to point out something that can be seen as scummy and then nothing further. He dips from there with clean hands. Kind of saw it that way.

Not a big fan of Lisa's little contribution. Feels like she's hunting some easy posts to go off of, and then just share some bland takes. She's kind of using them to appear as if contributing. It's not the lack of reasoning that is off to me, it's more like they seem to be random as hell. There is no train of thoughts or contuinity to them, she's not like quoting different posts about a same discussion trying to give her thoughts about them or add to the discussion. She's more putting her hand into a lot of different discussion to I guess appear more visible, and broaden her reach.

Already talked about Gramps and Burns who are at the bottom of my PoE. Haven't really moved much off of them after catching up completely, although I'd say I'm still mulling over some things I've seen from Gramps. Also the inactives thing could be a culture/playstyle clash, but even then I'm not a big fan of the rest of his contribution. The gear shift that Alison built her case on is something I agree with as well. Scums are more likely to make it when called out, and it kind of shows that whatever vibe or attitude they had prior was fake.

I still fucking hate Mr. Burns with a passion. I think he was trying to discredit early on Alison and Otto with the fear mongering about them potentially power wolfing. It's a cheap way to shade someone while posing it as a an open ended question, "oh I'm just aking myself" "I'm not sure". It sounds so fucking fake, and it's usually the kind of cowardy wolf tactics to shade loud voices. No fucking townie put that thought out there immediately. It's so slimy lol.

I've got more thoughts there, and also more thoughts in general but this is it for this post. It actually fucking sucks to come from behind 'cause I have so many problems trying to put into words everything I want to say lol. I guess that'll serve me missing the whole phase. Hopefully I'll keep being up to date this phase. I initially thought about iso-ing every single player and then sharing my thoughts posts by posts as that'd be easier, but fuck that lmao.