The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Oh I'm not dead ok

I have a bit of a quandary and should probably just lay it out

In the night I received info that a certain person is someone I can target and successfully kill in the day. However as we know I do not know their alignment and could end up killing town. I personally think that I should just go for it as I think it's more likely they are mafia, but if it ends up they're town I think that pretty much brings us to mylo and we'd want to sleep the vote in that case. I'm willing to hear input on this before I just toss out a hero shot lol.

If you think you should use it anyway, you might as well lay down the name.

Hyena, I did change our target from nutella to TSP.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:29 pm A Shark Attacks

With great reluctance but also much relief, a time traveling steampunk dude releases his shark. It devours his target as well as himself, and then contents itself with licking its paws.

@MacDougall has died and flips:

Time Travelling Steampunk

You can only play in the thread on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days you won't be allowed to post or vote, but you will receive a piece of information about the setup. At any point during an odd-numbered day you may choose to release your Secret Weapon and kill both yourself and a player of your choice. You cannot be targeted on even-numbered nights.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
@Funnygurl555 dies and flips:

Paranoid Badass

If [secret subset of players that I'm not going to tell you who are] target you, you'll knock them out. This will have [an effect I also won't tell you]. Fun!

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
Day continues, and I’m not resetting the poll—FG and Mac’s votes won’t count nor will votes against them be counted, and hammer is now at 6/8
So, while I can't vote with the punk gang, I can override their attempted roleblock. I almost switched to FG last night, glad I didn't.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:10 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:09 pm Hyena, I did change our target from nutella to TSP.
Wait, you can switch our target?
I thought you could only veto our decision?

No, I can change it to the player of my choosing.

You can confirm it if you look in our chat.

I didn't want mafia to easily see who we were roleblocking assuming they were in our private chat, so I lied when I promised I I wasn't going to change it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm Wait a minute.... I think this locks TSP as mafia!

It's also possible mafia didn't nightkill last night in an attempt to frame. They wouldn't have known I was going to switch the target, so if that's the case, the would've done it with nutella in mind.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:15 pm [VOTE: tsp] aubergine

If we're feeling confident in this, should I still take my shot as well? (It's not TSP)

Do you want to share who it is?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm Wait a minute.... I think this locks TSP as mafia!
It's also possible mafia didn't nightkill last night in an attempt to frame. They wouldn't have known I was going to switch the target, so if that's the case, the would've done it with nutella in mind.
Are nightkills not mandatory?

It's been a while since I've played here, but my previous experience was that they weren't mandatory.

I wasn't even that confident TSP is mafia lol. It's really Mac's legacy I was fulfilling.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:21 pm I wonder if I received the info from mafia and am specifically being told of a town target as bait...

Maybe that's crazy though? Idk the info-giving thing fits as TSP's claim and it could be giving me info that can theoretically help mafia if it's the negative side

But if we roleblocked him, could he have given info?

Actually, if TSP was the killer and I blocked him, would there even be a mafia in the Punk group? If there was, wouldn't they just have that person make the kill since it would be impossible for them to be blocked?

Oh right

I like a TSP lynch today. I'm going to hold off a vote just so we don't get a hammer too early to continue talking.

I think we still consider the idea of you shooting Alison, but don't fully commit to it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:35 pm I think I want to hear from other people before I continue talking.

But you're a hyena

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:40 pm WAIT A MINUTE!

Didn't we RB TSP the night before, too? We haven't yeeted mafia since then. Who made the kill the night before if TSP is the only one who could make night kills?

If there is a lone wolf, could they also kill?

Does a lone wolf know who its teammates are?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:06 pm Does a lone wolf know who its teammates are?
i don't know. do you?

What do you think the answer to that question is?

Our roleblock has a chance of failing, but not because of a randomized dice roll, rather because of other mechanics in the game that might exist.

I'm glad you found an assumption to fit your narrative.

You already responded to my explanation.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:17 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Things really popped off in punk chat between me+Trustworthy plus Quin.
ok so like

TL believes nutella is lost wolf and that lost wolf will only gain a kill when/if they become the last scum standing

so why does TL insist on RB nutella last night "in case she has a night kill" if he doesn't think shes the last scum standing (hasn't contested the idea of 4 scum, meaning 2 are currently alive)
@Trustworthy Liberal You said you were back on nutella being town last EOD. Why is she the lost wolf now? And what happened to your read on me?

I have less trust in TL today. Last night in the punk chat, he told me this newfound suspicion was based primarily on the assumption that nutella was bluffing that she shot TL on Day 3 because the kill failed and he didn't die. I then pointed him to nutella's roleclaim on Day 1 (which he somehow missed), and that his idea about her being mafia was changed 100%.

It looks like he still distrusts nutella (as well as Alison) because they did everything they could to get votes off of Quin yesterday.

These beliefs don't hold a lot of water imo.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.
I have no reason to believe we can't.

I asked our host, I cannot change the block to one of us.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm You already responded to my explanation.
You switched targets to someone I believe to be mechanically cleared. I'm going to need you to elaborate.

There was a chance that mafia knew who we were blocking last night, thus having a different member of their team perform the kill. I opted to switch our roleblock because in that event, it was more likely to succeed.

What do you think about the fact that there was no nightkill?

I believe we don't know enough about the Lost Wolf to lock TSP as town.

Actually, could someone point me to the post where the Lost Wolf was first mentioned?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm I'm thinking that TL is the lost wolf and they wanted to block the one person they were sure wasn't their wolf buddy, only to get fucked by Marmot randomly redirecting the RB. I'm thinking TL/TSP and TSP got roleblocked is the world that makes the most sense.

And you think they don't know who their teammate is and they're "sure" that nutella was not the wolf buddy because of your hypothesis that nutella's role is too powerful to be a scum role?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm If we're talking about game balance, explain to me how a 5-mason team with a spokesperson keeping the other 4 safe from lynching/targetting from Day 1 can exist without there being at least one mafia and still be balanced.

It's not a 5-mason team if the members don't have the info of who their teammates are.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm who blocked me and why is quin still here

You're going down son.

Oh did I fuck up?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:46 pm In the night! @Sloonei has died. They reveal to be:

Comprehensive Detective

Every night (starting N1), you will be presented with an OCCURRENCE. You can choose to EMBRACE it or REJECT it--after making your decision, an unknown effect will occur.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
He was found clutching a scrap of paper that read “THERE IS OR WAS A LOST SCUM, THE GM WAS NOT CLEAR, BUT THERES AT LEAST ONE, OH GOD WHAT IS THAT AT THE DOOR AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.”

In addition, Mac and alison have returned to the thread and may post, vote, and be voted for.

In addition! With a thundering crash and bolts of super cool lightning, turnip head, quin, trustworthy liberal, and hyena have joined the thread and may now post, vote, and be voted for.

@Alison
@nutella
@MacDougall
@Funnygurl555
@Marmot
@TonyStarkPrime
@Turnip Head
@Quin
@Trustworthy Liberal
@Hyena
@Marmot

Thanks, I read through Sloonei's Day 2, It didn't occur to me to read his death post.

Yeah, that's definitely not enough to make too many assumptions on.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:56 pm Marmot, did you stop the roleblock from happening the first time we voted TSP?

No, I can only redirect the target, not cancel it.

I believe you could clarify with the host as well. I didn't realize he would share with the punks who the new target was when I changed it, but I presume he hasn't done that on previous nights because the voted target was the one we executed on.

[mention]Quin[/mention] who would be the protector?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:01 pm if marmot wanted to cancel it he would've just voted Alison with me. But that would have lead to questions.

I can't vote silly

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit

I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.

I guess I've assumed that the OG 4 punks all had the same vanilla ability: a separate chatroom where they started the game, and the ability to vote together to rb another player. Would anyone disagree with me on this assumption?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit
I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.
Don't fish for PRs please.
I really think it's the time to just have our cards out, if you have an argument as to why that's dangerous then fine but like mafia already know things that we don't and getting more info out in the open can help us solve this

I was fully expecting to be NKed for my role already so like, whatever

[mention]Alison[/mention] you should listen to her before she blows your ass up

Just kidding, do what you think is best

Actually, why the hell would TSP want to lock Quin up today?

I assume that's the same as the Macdougal/Alison locking up from the other day.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm lmao the nutella marmot team is gettin extremely persuasive rn

alison don't roleclaim pls

we're not even trying to hide it anymore

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

channeling my inner mac to say that i've solved the game and you can all go home now

idontknowwhatyouredoingbutidontlikethis

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

I'm a little confused about his brief presence in the thread, but I suppose we can wait on the yeeting

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol
Yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'm running out of ideas that point anywhere other than TSP being scum who had their nightkill RB'd by us. I'm okay with just yeeting him right now if you guys want to.

I still don't think that's the best idea since we can't talk during night.

Also, TL hasn't chimed into the thread yet.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:26 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:25 pm ok

Suppose TSP found out he was blocked by glimpsing Quin in the thread, but not seeing that the punk gang blocked him, somehow

Then either he was blocked from carrying out the kill or a doc exists and protected the target

how do we know tsp was blocked n2?
They claimed it, there's no reason to believe I wasn't. I got no information and there's no direct evidence there was a positive effect on Sloonei.

I was only not blocked n2 if Marmot is a wolf and is lying.

I can do nothing to the outcome of our roleblock that the rest of the punk gang wouldn't be aware about.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:25 pm If I lock up Quin, Quin's night actions fail on the nights without Quin. Quin can't make kills, and Quin can't control punk chat. It extends town's clock and gets two clears with blocks.
Is that including the night you targeted quin?
Also if this is true then this clears me, because sloonei was killed while I was locked up

Actually, it would clear you and TSP as being teammates together, because you both would've been unable to act that niht.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:03 pm did anybody look into what i asked hyena to do?

You asked hyena to look for Poison's claim to be roleblocked. They haven't looked yet.

I'm not sure what we can derive from this though. Poison doesn't appear to know her ability, and thus probably wouldn't know if she was blocked.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm TSP pls more info pls aaaaaaaaa
I've given a whole lot of info.
targets:
1) alison
2) sloonei
3) quin

I additionally have one shot bulletproof but don't get infromed if I've been shot, which in the absence of other possibilities is what I'm assuming happened.
I wrote a big strategy guide for what to do after quin got locked up and we were in pseudo F5 but this also appears to not be necessary.

This is like the one story that makes TSP look extremely town.

So where do we go from here....

Also, TSP, why did you lock Quin up?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:40 pm Did we... ever? get a claim from Alison? Or like a real claim from Marmot?

I was vanilla Day 1.

Night 1, I was brought into punk chat, and told I couldn't vote with their roleblock, but I could redirect it if I liked. Additionally, I could bring the punks into the game thread at the end of any game phase

I'm confused then what Quin's looking for.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:54 pm lol, I just had a thought

What if the lost wolf has a bullet proof vest (or an infinite number of them) and the mafia attacked them last night? In a game I played a couple years, I was a lost wolf with an infinite number of vests, and this is how the mafia eventually found me.
In this case, the lost wolf doesn't have to be TSP. Like, who do you guys think would have been the most likely to be attacked last night?

TSP, the guy who claimed to have a bulletproof vest.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:58 pm Also, do you think mafia chooses to attack TSP last night?

I mean, I could think of worse choices.

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