The Syndicate

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:08 pm @Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

My attention was drawn elsewhere, but I'll be on later today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:14 pm The reasons to read nutella and Simon as mafia are very similar.

It is impossible to comprehend a good reason to read Simon as a civilian at face value for his content.

It is perfectly reasonable to read nutella as a civilian at face value for her content.

Don’t understand the huge divide here.

Oh well. I think it’s more likely than not everyone is right and these wagons are mafia-mafia.

Lol

The logic here is flawless.

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:06 pm You guys don't actually think Simon's is bad, youre voting him off because he's inactive, there's no real evidence that he's mafia, the real evidence is in nutella.
Tony was very adamant in nutella being bad.
But I feel like I'm talking to myself now & nobody's listening so ...rip....

He would've been a better Day 2 lynch than sig.

There is literally no reason to think that JaggedJimmyJay is civilian. I will not vote for him.

There is literally every reason to think that Glorfindel is civilian.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:58 pm If y'all want to lynch Marmot I'm game.

I'm game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

I'm with no one you fool.

You don't need me dead. Keep your hands off my dinner.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:39 pm Marmot is such a hater.

It's true.

I grow weary of your continued suspicions and mislynches of me.



I didn't think Glorfindel would make such a straightforward demand based on information. I didn't think so in the moment, and even now when I look back on it, it seems a bit strong.

I don't understand your beef with me. I don't understand why you want to lynch Jack. Or nutella. But I hope you're right about Simon, that he's mafia. And I hope the mafia kills you as a consolation.

I don't like ties.

But we should lynch Simon, so I'm leaving my vote as is.

But I'm also willing to hot potato to Tony if anyone else is in. Wouldn't mind lynching him again.

Jay, speedchuck, don't move your votes.

Glorfindel, kindly move your vote to Simon, please.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:12 pm Jay, speedchuck, don't move your votes.

Why not?

Because I said so.

Do you trust me?

Come on folks, let's move those votes to Simon!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:12 pm Jay, speedchuck, don't move your votes.

Why not?

Because I said so.

Do you trust me?

Not especially. I'm on my preferred lynch anyway.

I see, this only works if you're a wino.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:18 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:18 pm I see, this only works if you're a wino.

It helps to have already earned some credibility in a game first.

That's a skill I never learned.


Come on folks, move those votes!

[mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Glorfindel[/mention] [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] [mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

[mention]lapluie[/mention] [mention]Made[/mention] ! Get on over to Simon.

T-minus like 3 minutes. What are you waiting for?

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. What a boring EoD.


Move your votes!

Well that wasn't very interesting.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:14 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:09 am Yes, of course.

Also, I wish I had voted Simon in order to be part of an awesome rainbow of player names, instead of the glaring difference in a solid set.

It's cool. You're obvious town.

No, I just meant for aesthetics.

I can dig it.

Also, why did you guys lynch the nut?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:28 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:17 amWow, a resurrection! Rare. I like them.

i definitely liked this one.

alright i have three questions regarding the events that took place after my tragic and sad murder,

1. how does everyone currently feel about lapluie? are they cool?

2. @Marmot how are you? what are your thoughts on Jay?

3. @JaggedJimmyJay same question here as number 2 only about Marmot instead.

Jay is not of the Order of Light.

At first I didn't care that he continued to be a significant part of this game. I thought his contributions would help the players in general. But his latest actions have been detrimental to my own cause. He should be destroyed.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:40 pm If Jay is civ, why isn't he dead yet?

Does anyone actually think that Jay is civilian?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Then you're mafia. Period.

Whatever you say.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Then you're mafia. Period.

Whatever you say.

If I vote for you will you defend yourself & change my mind?

No. Not that you'll really care what I say anyway.

Strong tinfoil theory, Jay has managed to buddy the mafia somehow.

Jay usually gets what he wants because he's a good mafia player.



After Tony was lynched, Jay came out of that asserting that myself, Simon, and nutella were mafia. He also claimed that you and Long Con, the two counter-lynches, were civilian. I don't buy those claims.

Also this ongoing "Glorfindel doesn't lie" motto has been taken out of context. I said it early in the game, because Glorfindel doesn't lie about his own alignment. That this sort of behavior transfers to every word he says is opportunistic.

I don't really care about defending myself. He should burn, and so should his allies.

Fine with me.

I'm getting really emotionally charged these last few mafia games, and I can only step away and recollect so many times. I'd rather just be removed than continue to defend myself day-after-day.

Lynch me please.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:30 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:15 pmStrong tinfoil theory, Jay has managed to buddy the mafia somehow.

what in the world?

Jay usually gets what he wants because he's a good mafia player.

if jay truly is indie then he doesn't need to be lynched or "destroyed". his death doesn't help us get closer to wincon and he is a possible ally at times. with the way things are going he's more likely to achieve his wincon by helping civs anyways since whittling down the mafia allows for more night kills and deaths overall that might end up snagging his two specified civilian marks.

There's likely four mafia left. It'd be quicker to mislynch a couple non-mafia then it would be to lynch four actual mafia.

Additonally, if Jay's accurate in his mafia guesses, he's more likely to be nightkilled.


Do I think Jay needs to be lynched? No, I think that's counter-productive too. But the man wants my head, so of course I want him destroyed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:31 pm Fine with me.

I'm getting really emotionally charged these last few mafia games, and I can only step away and recollect so many times. I'd rather just be removed than continue to defend myself day-after-day.

Lynch me please.

How did you feel about the potential of a nutella lynch before it occurred?

I didn't think she should be lynched.

I didn't expect her to be lynched.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm The first part of this general case just screams marmot to me. Everyone plays mafia differently and I think this is meta for marmot and it gives me no alarms.

The second part of the case is just confusing to me. He wanted people to vote for Simon (mafia) and not nutella (civ). I don't get how that is pingy.

I don't see how "ignore the pleas of the man who never lies" is either a strategy or a play style. It's a refusal to heed the words of someone you claim to trust when it matters most. That's yuck.

I don't really buy that he "wanted" people to vote for Simon. He was making that request of players who had said all day phase long that they were voting for nutella and not Simon. It was pointless.

I wasn't paying attention most of the day. I entered the thread near the end of the day, saw the tally, and made a move.

I was not targeting any specific players with my requests. I asked everyone on the nutella wagon to move.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:50 pm mmmmm maybe. but the mafia probably won't kill Jay, because the mafia knows that Jay is a potential late game swing vote. why kill a variable when you can kill a constant?

What would you do if you were mafia in this scenario?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm The first part of this general case just screams marmot to me. Everyone plays mafia differently and I think this is meta for marmot and it gives me no alarms.

The second part of the case is just confusing to me. He wanted people to vote for Simon (mafia) and not nutella (civ). I don't get how that is pingy.

I don't see how "ignore the pleas of the man who never lies" is either a strategy or a play style. It's a refusal to heed the words of someone you claim to trust when it matters most. That's yuck.

I don't really buy that he "wanted" people to vote for Simon. He was making that request of players who had said all day phase long that they were voting for nutella and not Simon. It was pointless.

I think we have to agree to disagree, sorry. I definitely see a marmot playstyle in your case-part 1. And in part 2, it seems like a civ marmot who is really sees a civ nutella and wants people to vote for Simon instead. It's like your process of elimination crap. He saw that he trusted nutella more and so he wanted people to vote Simon. EVERYONE who did not vote for Simon, voted for Nutella. Who was he going to ask other than those who had decided they were voting nutella? Deadies cannot vote, non-players cannot vote.

Honestly...I 100% am scared out of my mind right now because I hate defending people so hard in games because I know it can come back to bite me in the ass. But I have to call bullshit on your claims against marmot. I think they are stupid and feel like it's my responsibility to tell you so.

I mean... I had no reason not to vote Simon.



People I would not lynch right now: Jack

People I would lynch right now: laplue, Long Con, JaggedJimmJay, Made

Actually, I would not lynch Jay right now. He's off the dang lynch poll.

Who's Dave? :3

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 pm It makes zero sense for Marmot to believe Glorfindel has a moral aversion to lying about his alignment, but no moral aversion to lying about someone else's alignment. That's nonsense. To defend him after he tried to say that is nonsense. Lynch the man.

I did not say Glorfindel was lying.

Your case is built on brusque, curt, and aggressively short statements. Indy Jay is clearly a different type of Jay.

I don't see why any in-thread statement like that should be trusted at face-value. I thought he was being overtly confident based on his belief. Assuming Glorfindel knew what Long Con's alignment is, I didn't think he would come into the thread stating as such. Yes Glorfindel was basically a civilian, but that doesn't mean he's right. Remember when nutella was lynched because we followed a dead civilian's plea to want her? He was wrong. We were wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 pm It makes zero sense for Marmot to believe Glorfindel has a moral aversion to lying about his alignment, but no moral aversion to lying about someone else's alignment. That's nonsense. To defend him after he tried to say that is nonsense. Lynch the man.

I did not say Glorfindel was lying.

Your case is built on brusque, curt, and aggressively short statements. Indy Jay is clearly a different type of Jay.

I don't see why any in-thread statement like that should be trusted at face-value. I thought he was being overtly confident based on his belief. Assuming Glorfindel knew what Long Con's alignment is, I didn't think he would come into the thread stating as such. Yes Glorfindel was basically a civilian, but that doesn't mean he's right. Remember when nutella was lynched because we followed a dead civilian's plea to want her? He was wrong. We were wrong.

You di

What my case is made of is meaningless. You didn’t think Glorfindel was making a “read” on LC. You literally asked him what he knew that you did not. Please tell me exactly how Glorfindel is supposed to answer that question within these rules.

It's called a case. A piece of in-thread evidence that can be pointed to that says "Hey, here's why this guy is what he is".

That's why I thought Glorfindel was defending Long Con the way he was. That's the answer I expected. I wanted a reason to agree with him, not to listen to what the words that he said.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 pm It makes zero sense for Marmot to believe Glorfindel has a moral aversion to lying about his alignment, but no moral aversion to lying about someone else's alignment. That's nonsense. To defend him after he tried to say that is nonsense. Lynch the man.

I did not say Glorfindel was lying.

Your case is built on brusque, curt, and aggressively short statements. Indy Jay is clearly a different type of Jay.

I don't see why any in-thread statement like that should be trusted at face-value. I thought he was being overtly confident based on his belief. Assuming Glorfindel knew what Long Con's alignment is, I didn't think he would come into the thread stating as such. Yes Glorfindel was basically a civilian, but that doesn't mean he's right. Remember when nutella was lynched because we followed a dead civilian's plea to want her? He was wrong. We were wrong.

You di

And I am not a di. You take that back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:38 pm No. You were aware that it wasn’t about “a piece of in-thread evidence”. He made it pretty obvious. There’s no way you were trying to actually communicate with him, certainly not at the last minute when he was forced to scream to get his point across.

If you insist on carrying out this nonsense argument you might as well provide reads on everybody else too.

You brought up this nonsense point in the first place.

You asked me why I thought, said, and did what I did, then are telling me that's not what I thought, said, or did. Who are you trying to convince? I know why I asked what I asked, I'm the one who asked it in that specific situation. Yes, I probably should have considered other reasons for his behavior, but it didn't cross my mind in that moment. My assumption was that he said what he did based on something that happened in the thread because that's the spirit of the game that I'm used to.

I don't appreciate the way you've framed that EoD.

I also don't appreciate what you're doing right now. You've asked me questions, made accusations, and put an inaccurate twist on what I said. I will defend against them because you're wrong. I would not insist on continuing this argument if you weren't persisting so hard to portray my alignment based on your interpretation of what I said.

I also don't appreciate your beef with me in general. I don't know why you want to lynch me so damn bad. I don't understand your motives, nor do I trust your behavior at all. These are not the droids you're looking for.

If you think it's nonsense, why are you so persistant about it?

I've offered a few reads already recently. Lapluie, Long Con, and Made are my strongest scumreads (not necessarily in that order), I would lynch you for my own self-preservation and ability to focus energy elsewhere, and I think Jack should live.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:11 pm Jimmy states that Marmot only pushed on unconvincable Nutella voters: Lap, Glor, Made.

Other Nutella voters: Simon (also unconvincable), Wilgy (has only stated a reason for one of his votes and is very likely bad), Nova (has only stated reasoning for one of his votes and is very likely bad) and LC.

So basically, Marmot ignored...just LC.

I find the "targeted fake plea" arguement unconvincing.

The "fake plea cause too little too late" is more convincing.

If one of Jay or Marmot is Kano, I still think it is Jay.

I didn't ignore any of them.

I called out every single one of them except for Simon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:22 pm Y'all can distrust me all you like, but here's one basic recommendation:

It isn't all about whether you love my case. It's about whether you love the player I am casing. You look at Marmot's content and decide for yourselves.

"You don't have to like my content, but it's still better than his content."

Jay, if you weren't going to vote for me today, who would you vote for?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:43 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:22 pm Y'all can distrust me all you like, but here's one basic recommendation:

It isn't all about whether you love my case. It's about whether you love the player I am casing. You look at Marmot's content and decide for yourselves.

"You don't have to like my content, but it's still better than his content."

That is not what I said. It has nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it does.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:44 am Marmot, why do you think I'm bad?

You helped lynched nutella, I'm displeased with that.

You've had more to say about myself and Jay the past couple days than any other topic (and very little to say about other topics). I don't mean for our discussion to take the front seat, but I'm fighting for my life.

Jay came in after the Day 4 lynch and said you and lap are civilians. I don't believe it, or anything he says at this point. I think that was a bold misdirect from him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:44 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:42 am Jay, if you weren't going to vote for me today, who would you vote for?

Wilgy or novaselinenever would be agreeable enough lynches, even if not nearly as well-inspired.

I would cast them into the pit of "don't have much of an opinion on" due to their recent lack of content.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:55 am Jay came in after the Day 4 lynch and said you and lap are civilians. I don't believe it, or anything he says at this point. I think that was a bold misdirect from him.

Long Con is mafia because I said he isn't?

The power I wield.

I look at your alignment claim.

I look at the possible roles you could be based on that claim.

I look at your in-thread actions after said claim.



I don't understand how anyone would trust or listen to you after that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:15 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:39 pm LC is confirmed Town you fools

I DON’T LIE!

Marmot, please look at me with a straight face, or at least look at my avatar with a straight face, and tell me that this post indicates a hunch Glorfindel has. It's just a hunch. Long Con is a civilian read. That's where he leans. He isn't sure.

In a game where info-dropping is against the rules, I don't see any reason to accept what someone says without a reason. Even if it's Glorfindel. Even if he doesn't lie. If he actually knows Long Con's alignment, role, or whatever, it's not like he can come into the thread and confirm it.

But like I said before, that thought didn't cross my mind when Glorfindel said that. My assumption was that Long Con did something such that Glorfindel reacted that way. I wanted to know what it was.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:25 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:55 am Jay came in after the Day 4 lynch and said you and lap are civilians. I don't believe it, or anything he says at this point. I think that was a bold misdirect from him.

Long Con is mafia because I said he isn't?

The power I wield.

I look at your alignment claim.

I look at the possible roles you could be based on that claim.

I look at your in-thread actions after said claim.

I don't understand how anyone would trust or listen to you after that.

I would like to go ahead and point out that each of these 4 things are exactly true about you as well, the main difference being that Jay started suspecting you of having baddie motives about 2 phases earlier than you did for him.

Sure.

Except it was entirely consistent. He read me as civilian as recently as Night 4.

But when Day 6 rolled around, the only thing he's interested in is lynching me today. I asked him who he'd vote for if he wasn't voting for me, and he said that nova and Wilgy are uninspiring cases he'd go to next.

Jay has an agenda, that much should be clear.

Oops. That should be wasn't entirely consistent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:42 am Marmot can't decide whether he wants to self-vote. He just danced between the two wagons, I saw it.

If you'd asked me earlier, I'd tell I'd definitely be self-voting and fuck this game.