The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:04 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:05 am

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nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:25 am rundontwalk
JaggedJimmyJay
dunya
MacDougall
sprityo
gwilikers6
Kylemii
colonialbob
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Marmot
Dr. White
ColinIsCool
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
rabbit8
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
Kites
Quin
lapluie
DrWilgy

You forgot me Nutella

Ah so I did, so sorry about that -- I definitely had you in there while editing and you somehow got deleted. You should be right about next to where Sprityo is. Pretty solid civ read


Woke up to 300+ posts to catch up on, I'm almost done and @dunya I see you asked me a couple things, I'll get to those soon. And I really don't want to get lynched you guys I don't blame some of you for not knowing my meta, but I promise if you give me past my wishy-washy day 1 to get comfortable I can be a valuable scumhunter.

So far I've liked DDL's points on Kenway (and huh I vaguely remember serge) and I feel similarly re: Kites, but I think the case on Quin is the strongest right now -- I still have like 2 pages to read so I'm not sure if he's gotten more votes and I will probably end up voting out of self-preservation if possible (unless Epi is telling the truth about his switch), but for now I think Quin has been looking pretty bad, he posted a bunch of fluff during the draft but once the actual phase started his activity dropped off and he barely provided any content, including saying he had no scum reads.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Out of curiousity, you liked DDL's case on Kenway.

Who's case on Quin did you like? Same question about Kites.

My own and my own

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:23 pm @Marmot, I notice I'm a red firework for you, yet I can't remember you addressing me even once in this entire thread before the one post you called out a few pages ago. Was that one post really scummy enough to put me all the way down to the bottom of your confidence pile? I can understand a ping, but a RED FIREWORK? Are you unsatisfied with my response to your criticism? If your other red reads are founded on as little as mine seemingly is, we may have some problems going forward.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:29 pm Quin and Marmot have switched places in this game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:34 pm I want to say I've played with rundontwalk many moons ago, but I can't recall exactly.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:02 pm can anyone who is currently in any army say whether their lives in general have been improved by the experience? not how, just if.

Rico grades our performance thus far as a light 6.

(It has made no difference to me)

6/5.

Impressive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:43 pm Marmot, if I target you then all the goodies will happen to me instead.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:24 pm People who said they would pick one rym player are people I am not inclined to question. I believe that. When I posted my picks, I picked all Syndicate people. Were I the real leader, you damn well better believe I would have take one or two rym players.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:48 pm

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Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:29 pm

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dunya
JJJ
Epi
Mac
rdw

sprityo
JJJ
dunya
MM
Cbob

JJJ
random with tweaks (first answer)
(second answer:)
dunya
rdw
Quin
Epi

Cbob
random

Epi
dunya
JJJ
LC
nutella

DDL
Epi
LC
Quin
Colin

MM
lapluie
gwilikers
Tony
Dr. White

nutella
JJJ
Mac
dunya
Any rym

Kylemii
Quin
dunya OR JJJ
LC OR Epi OR nutella
Wilgy OR lapluie OR Any rym

Tony
dunya
Cbob
JJJ
random

Mac
gwilikers
rdw
dunya
Wilgy

Colin
random

sig
Wilgy
MM
rabbit
Mac

gwilikers
Unknown people

lapluie
MM

LC
Kylemii
nutella
Sloonei
lapluie

Dr. White
MM
random

Quin
DDL
dunya
Epi
LC OR rabbit

Kenway
dunya
Sloonei
Epi
Kylemii
JJJ OR Mac

Kites
dunya
gwilikers
Two non-rym

Iron Dwarf
dunya
rdw
JJJ
Mac

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This is the number of times a player was mentioned. Decimals are owing to the fact that some people said one of a pair or trio, so that point was divided accordingly.

dunya 10.5
JJJ 7
Epi 5.3
Mac 5
rdw 4
Marmot 4
Quin 3
gwilikers 3
LC 2.8
nutella 2.3
lapluie 2.3
Wilgy 2.3
Cbob 2
Kylemii 2
Sloonei 2
rabbit 1.5
Colin 1
Tony 1
Dr. White 1
DDL 1

Iron_Dwarf 0
Kenway 0
Kites 0
sig 0
sprityo 0

1. A non-player (Sloonei) got more votes (two) than sig. Jesus, guy. The same is true of Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kites, and spriyo. I am calling these people civilian until further notice.

2. The two highest voted people were nutella and Quin. nutella was 13% mentioned and Quin was 17% mentioned.

3. dunya and JJJ are at the top of the list. dunya has a whopping 10.5 mentions- the only double-digit pick. JJJ is second with 7 mentions. Rather than discuss the obvious implication here, I want to point out a different observation: Nobody voted for either of them except Wilgy. Over 58% of the respondents said they would recruit dunya...and none of them voted for her. Not one. And Wilgy didn't respond. Likewise, JJJ was in 39% of the lineups, but nobody at all voted for him. Why is that? Over half the field said they would recruit dunya. Over a third said they would recruit JJJ. That doesn't mean they were recruited, but the numbers implicate them at face value. That should not be ignored, nor should the two highest drafted people get to dismiss accusations against them as "tinfoil" just because they post a lot. I want this to be a point of discussion moving forward to a healthy extent: If you said you would draft dunya or JJJ, why don't you suspect either of them?

4. I'm a lock civilian.

5. I am not impressed by those who gave branching feedback. The "I-would-pick-him-or-her-or-him-but-not-all-three" sort. If you were the mafia leader, you would have to pick, not waffle. Those who did this specifically are Kylemii, Quin, and Kenway. Therefore Kenway gets removed from my list in the first point.

6. Speaking of Kenway, Kenway was the second person to name Sloonei as a person to draft. There was discussion that that was too evil to be truly evil. I don't agree. There was other discussion that Kenway tries to be as truthful as possible. Appearing blatantly ignorant is one way to accomplish that.

7. Colin was the main person to question all of this, and he got pretty peeved over everything. Getting upset doesn't move me, but context does, and from all of this I do not suspect Colin. I am unhappy that he shat on my exercise, but I respect a man who can stand his ground. He goes back to the neutral pile. What I mean is that I don't think he was deliberately trying to get me to expose myself prematurely.

8. Fuck rabbit.

9. I lied about my own picks (heh heh), but included them in this analysis anyway (heh heh). Why did I do that?

10. I found Marmot's list to be the least believable.

11. I found MacDougall's list to be the most believable.

12. Seriously, a non-player got more votes than sig. Jesus sig.

People are going whine about "wine in front of me" and all that, but the fact is that most of the people who contributed to the survey are civilians.

So I don't care.


Votes:

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[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

While you were busy putting this list together and threatening to not vote, Quin, nutella, dunya, and Jay were all posting and giving solid content to read. People reacted accordingly.

I don't mean to knock your list, I'm glad you did this. But think about this. What if dunya is not mafia? What if then every member of the mafia team fakely added dunya to their list of would-be-mafia teammates?

First off, I put this together tonight, during the Night phase. Not when I said I wouldn't vote.

Second, I am not calling ANYBODY mafia with this. That isn't it's purpose. In dunya's case, I am questioning why people collectively said they would recruit her but don't suspect her. There's value in that.

And maybe dunya is bad, right?

Bro you need a nap

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:25 pm That is not the main reason everyone is reading Dunya as civ. I haven't seen a single person read Marmot as a civ for anything like "supatown" and JJJ is just doing what he always does. I don't think what Marmot has done qualifies as supatown. I even pointed at that his post count is high but I couldn't recall any posts. He's blendy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:33 pm You literally just played a game with me where I was scum. You should have a better idea of my meta than you are exhibiting right now. Let me help you. I have 176 posts in this game already. I had 201 posts in the entire Buffy game from start to finish. I have been combative and made enemies in this game, I was friendly with everyone in Buffy. My scum game is fairly easy to see if you pay attention. There is nothing about that in this game whatsoever.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:41 pm Choose wisely mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:22 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:33 pm You literally just played a game with me where I was scum. You should have a better idea of my meta than you are exhibiting right now. Let me help you. I have 176 posts in this game already. I had 201 posts in the entire Buffy game from start to finish. I have been combative and made enemies in this game, I was friendly with everyone in Buffy. My scum game is fairly easy to see if you pay attention. There is nothing about that in this game whatsoever.

Wanna know what I'm about to say?

You literally just played a game with me where I was scum. You should have a better idea of my meta than you are exhibiting right now. Let me help you. I have 165 posts in this game already. I had 218 posts in the entire Mortal Kombat game from start to finish Day 5. I have been combative in this game, I was friendly with everyone (except Jay) in Mortal Kombat. My scum game is fairly easy to see if you pay attention. There is nothing about that in this game whatsoever.

Didn't you die early in MK?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:05 am RYMers: please help me out here. Would you call me a great scum player or a great town leader? Be honest, I won't be angry. No one here from The Syndicate has seen me as scum yet and they're questioning my alliance based on my abilities to post 500+ in a game by Night 1 as scum.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:13 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:10 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:03 am an RYM don won't choose me over JJJ because I am a bad scum player. I've won twice as scum ever, I believe

JJJ, Mac, Kenway, Kites and Iron Dward said they would. If there are any baddies among them they are likely lying. But what about the civs?

Also Kites and Mac would pick you over Jay, Kenway might, and Iron Dwarf would pick you both. Only gwilkers would pass on you. Rest would either randomize or didn't respond.

I'm asking them to be serious and not just choose me because they missed me and I'm way cooler than Jay. Like, be a don for 15 minutes and go through the player list and really decide.

Every RYM person is equally cool in my book.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:55 pm Fun facts:

To my knowledge, the highest post count ever achieved in a Syndicate game by a mafia-aligned player was MacDougall's 940+ (discounting post-game content) in the 2015 GOC. He survived all 11.5 cycles of that game, averaging about 80 posts per cycle. Keep in mind also that this game had two mafia teams, meaning Mac was able to genuinely hunt.

The civilian record belongs to Richochet at about 1,470 in the same game. There's also my 1,450 in Talking Heads (14.5 cycles).

If dunya's present pace were to be cut in half and sustained as such from this point forward through 11.5 cycles, she would amass nearly 3,300 posts. She would significantly more than triple the record for mafia-aligned posts and double the record for civilian-aligned posts.

Simple question: within which alignment is that easier to accomplish? If you tell me there is no difference, I will tell you that you fundamentally don't understand Mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm https://xkcd.com/605/

I'm aware, that's why I halved her pace for the extrapolation.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:03 pm Colin may have earned the 20 cool points, but I am willing to distribute 15 bonus cool points to those who follow in his footsteps (some have already). I will keep a continuing count of cool points earned.

You’re causing inflation upon the cool points market

I offer in return some Hot Points to people who can give me an engaging conversation. On topic about the game of course

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:29 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:27 am k I'm going to bed I look forward to the 56 new pages that will appear by morning

I'll let Marmot get to it. I am off to work.
See yall lunchtime

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:11 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:07 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:00 am Anyone wanna discuss why rabbit8?

To kill a low poster, because scum isn't being strategic with kills, to eliminate the triangle attack mechanic. I'm a fan of the latter. It's the easiest night kill to remove from the pool.

Why not kill Long Con?

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:37 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:17 am

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:16 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:41 am

Kites wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:35 am colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?

I called him out on that. He said he was moving his vote between inactives in case he wasn't here during the end of day so that if they were lynched, he wouldn't feel bad, or less bad, since they were inactives. Or something like that. Does that make you feel better or worse about him?

dunno, nutella lynch was going already p strong before he started switching and at that point i was sure that an inactive wasn’t going be lynched that day so they feel like throwaway votes

The point was he wasn't feeling a nutella lynch. He didn't want to support it.

”i don’t like this, i don’t like that, i wanna vote someone who’s not going to come back here and question my vote” not much thought process behind any of it, gotta say that the quin bandwagon was convenient tho
the guy is suspicious imo but i’ll wait and see what’s gonna happen in the next 48 hours

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:35 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:11 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:07 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:00 am Anyone wanna discuss why rabbit8?

To kill a low poster, because scum isn't being strategic with kills, to eliminate the triangle attack mechanic. I'm a fan of the latter. It's the easiest night kill to remove from the pool.

Why not kill Long Con?

Why kill Long Con?

Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:17 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 amKylemii, are you a member of mafia?

no, why do you ask?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:24 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:17 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 amKylemii, are you a member of mafia?

no, why do you ask?

Marmot used direct approach

It wasn't very effective

Marmot, are you a member of the mafia? You have to tell me if you are. It's the law.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 pm I don't have any intention of lynching dunya, only to post more than her.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:44 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:43 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:39 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:36 pm dunya, has your life changed for the better since joining Rico's army? Or at all for that matter?

Rico welcomed me to his army. That's it.

go steal some Pepsi for thy lord k thx

coke zero or gtfo thy lord

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:50 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:47 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:46 pm Wait, your role doesn't even give you any info.

Lol.

I bodyguarded JJJ. Idk if he had any night actions but I don't think he was targeted much, if at all

Bodyguard dominoes.

If I was scum I'd kill the strong first xoxo. I thought scum might have same strategy

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 pm Wait do you know who scum targeted? You seem to have some insight.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:00 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 pm Wait do you know who scum targeted? You seem to have some insight.

You're reading way too deeply into what I said. Also don't you have the same role as I do?

How do I know that's really your role? How do you know that's really my role?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:02 pm I'm not sure how good bodyguards/protective roles claiming who they targeted itt is a good idea tbh. I don't like it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:02 pm I'm not sure how good bodyguards/protective roles claiming who they targeted itt is a good idea tbh. I don't like it.

I don't think it matters much. They still have no idea who I'll target next.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:00 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 pm Wait do you know who scum targeted? You seem to have some insight.

You're reading way too deeply into what I said. Also don't you have the same role as I do?

How do I know that's really your role? How do you know that's really my role?

I did this literally last page so I shouldn't be one to talk, but I think it's a valid ping when someone takes another person's role for granted, especially with backstory powers.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:00 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 pm Wait do you know who scum targeted? You seem to have some insight.

You're reading way too deeply into what I said. Also don't you have the same role as I do?

How do I know that's really your role? How do you know that's really my role?

I did this literally last page so I shouldn't be one to talk, but I think it's a valid ping when someone takes another person's role for granted, especially with backstory powers.

Why is this a valid ping?

It could be a form of feigning ignorance.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:05 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:00 pm Did nobody actually target me last night? ;_;

I'll do you, if you do me.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:01 pm
How do I know that's really your role? How do you know that's really my role?

I did this literally last page so I shouldn't be one to talk, but I think it's a valid ping when someone takes another person's role for granted, especially with backstory powers.

Why is this a valid ping?

It could be a form of feigning ignorance.

Are you pinged by what I said?

Not really!

Walked that one back quick