The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:46 pm the problem with writing massive posts is that they take a long time to make so then by the time i reach the end i'm impatient and never go back to proofread.

Caramel popcorn is on the same wavelength as you

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:46 pm the problem with writing massive posts is that they take a long time to make so then by the time i reach the end i'm impatient and never go back to proofread.
Caramel popcorn is on the same wavelength as you
wait

are you in touch with out of thread ppl

Caramel popcorn said many of the same things as Sloonei did in his extended, unproofread post right before Sloonei did, and is eerily worried that Sloonei is mafia teammates with someone not in this thread

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:42 am LC stands for "Literally Canadian"

Maybe, maybe not.

Popcorn wished to share their slight suss of Sloondog, so I revealed that.

Hasn't she posted a lot today though?

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm Hasn't she posted a lot today though?
What's your read on me?

Town.

I'm townreading everyone right now

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.

Could something obvious have happened?

I take back what I said, I can't really think of a reason why I'd read Enrique as town. He also hasn't done his homework yet.

Funnygurl I suspected for lack of early activity, but she changed my mind on that.

I like Poison's effort and her vote yesterday.

Hey, what if nutella and TSP are mafia teammates and they vigged Long Con for some cred?

[mention]Enrique[/mention] how did you go from this to this?

Do we vote Poison just for a reveal? That's what it feels like to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:51 pm Do we vote Poison just for a reveal? That's what it feels like to me.
Why not Enrique?

Because of recent events. But yes, that's an option too.

The one where enrique said he did things to nutella and should be given some credit for it

And nutella's subsequent acknowledgement

Well the voters gotta go somewhere

*votes

Sorry cold thumbs and phone

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Hold on to your butts

Seaweed doesn't fully appreciate what I've done for them. ;_;

I don't disagree with you on Quin. I do agree with you on the Hyena. I'm torn on TH.

I held them captive, it was great

Oh I see my chat mates are voting for me. I'll be around this evening to prove you folks wrong.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:30 am Oh I see my chat mates are voting for me. I'll be around this evening to prove you folks wrong.
Do you think Quin or Turnip Head could be mafia? :P

Yes. And I think more likely than you or Liberal

Wait, there's suddenly only 8 people alive. How did we get here?

Calm down already nutella.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:58 pm @TonyStarkPrime explain your note giving and how you think you may have killed Sloonei?

If you killed Sloonei then who did the mafia kill? How can you think you killed Sloonei when he's clearly a mafia kill?

Also you're mafia anyway so you don't need to answer any of these loaded questions buddy.
Hold on. I got something to say about this. All of us can place a vote during the night for someone, and they may or may not get roleblocked. TSP was our target last night. Poison was our target N1 if I remember correctly. My other peeps can confirm this (and correct me on the specific mechanics of that since I probably got something wrong).

I didn't have a vote, but the rest of y'all did.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:00 pm @Hyena what did Quin do exactly?
I'll talk about this in a bit, too. In short, I don't remember much of what they did.

Same reasoning here. Quin was the least vocal in our chatroom. Scrolling back through his contributions there, he had a number of things to say Day 1. After Vulgard was lynched, he quieted down quite a lot. Not much to say Night 1. Day 2, he chimed in at the at of the day with a few reads: namely that he liked Poison and FG, and didn't like TSP.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:43 pm I read TSP's ISO. If we cut out all the fluff he's scumsided all game.

He lightly defends Vulgard early on while claiming that he's nullreading Vulgard, shades Syn, shades me, and generally tries to push the conversation away from Vulgard by repeatedly insinuating that Vulgard has not posted much and doesn't deserve this much suspicion on them. Claims that Vulgard is the same as their town meta in #359, while at the same time claiming that they totally have a null read on Vulgard. (Claiming someone is null to you while clearly defending them is pretty BS, and reeks of scum trying to have the best of both worlds.) The read on Syn (who we now know is town) was also pretty bad: he says Syn hasn't done anything wrong, but not doing anything wrong is a scumtell. First of all, ???, and second of all, that sounds like he's leaving the door open to both scumread or townread Syn depending on what's convenient rather than giving a legitimate read.

Lots of hedginess all around. I can't find a single confident stance on LC or Vulgard, which should be a red flag since those two were hot topics. Big example of this is #497. He gives several reasons to believe that Vulgard is scum, but then caps it off with "it's wolfy BUT" and then says "it means you and Alison aren't W/W and nothing else". That reads to me like he was trying to awkwardly distance from Vulgard but thought he could swing a wagon onto Poison (which he tried to do) and didn't want to commit to the bus just yet. But leaves the door open to make him look good if Vulgard dies.

D2 was more hedginess, going back and forth on Poison. Sets himself up as Poison's defender by saying he should be mustering up the energy to defend her, and also tries to halt the exe while he asks for Poison's role claim in case she has a strong PR. Ends up voting her anyway, and I get a strong sense that he just doesn't give a fuck about the exe despite making a show of caring.

@TonyStarkPrime In #1123 you said that Poison pointed out something that makes you queasy and immediately ask her to claim. You don't follow up on this. What was that about?

linki: Why would you use a positive ability on Sloonei and then immediately enter the thread with "oh shit guys I think I killed Sloonei by accident"?

Townies on Day 1s don't usually have confident stances though. I mean maybe they do, but that's the point in the game when they have the least amount of information.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:07 pm I need to figure out how to respond to stuff because quoting works differently than it did last time I was here, but having like 3/4 of the punk gang call me out for low participation or whatever is both hilarious and complete bullshit. I've got words about how easily they just accepted Marmot as one of the gang when he showed up out of buttfuck nowhere but I'll catch up first.

Unlike the rest of you, I was permitted to post in the game thread Day 1. Why are you so skeptical about this, and why would it make me suspicious?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:20 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:18 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:12 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:11 pm yeah i think hyena's town here. still think tsp is town, too.
has hyena... said anything??
yeah. hyena's activity in the group chat is hella town imo
not that i've seen this group chat lol i obv haven't but like based on his posts. also people in the gc are town reading him too so i bet he's been PRO-TOWN
Nobody was pro-towning it in there. There wasn't an incentive to do much more than share reads and talk about who we'd roleblock.

Sorry but what? Why was there no incentive to pro-town in our side chat?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:34 pm Quin has like this bitter/angry undertone to every description of their interaction with the 4P gang and I don't understand why.

We didn't really talk about reads of each other, only reads of players in the game thread. I could see him being grumpy about a number of us suddenly voicing suspicion of him.

TL may or may not suspect me. I couldn't tell if they were joking or not in the side chat.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:35 pm Quin you seemed to have felt Marmot's entrance into the 4P gang is a big deal and that people should have taken it a lot more seriously. Can you break down for me why this is a surprising development or why we should suspect Marmot based off it?
I mean, if you're in a BTSC with 3 other people and you've been told those are the only people you have BTSC with, would you not be cautious if someone else suddenly dropped in? I don't actually doubt anything Marmot has said regarding why/how he joined but the responses to his entrance were literally

TH: i trust you implicitly lol jk
TL: Nice
Hyena: oh hey a new punk

Considering this mechanic in the OP

Spoiler: show

I still don't understand your concern. If anything, the ability for more player interaction should be a boon.

Also, I notice nutella didn't blow people up. Sorry for blaming you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:29 pm A Shark Attacks

With great reluctance but also much relief, a time traveling steampunk dude releases his shark. It devours his target as well as himself, and then contents itself with licking its paws.

@MacDougall has died and flips:

Time Travelling Steampunk

You can only play in the thread on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days you won't be allowed to post or vote, but you will receive a piece of information about the setup. At any point during an odd-numbered day you may choose to release your Secret Weapon and kill both yourself and a player of your choice. You cannot be targeted on even-numbered nights.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
@Funnygurl555 dies and flips:

Paranoid Badass

If [secret subset of players that I'm not going to tell you who are] target you, you'll knock them out. This will have [an effect I also won't tell you]. Fun!

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
Day continues, and I’m not resetting the poll—FG and Mac’s votes won’t count nor will votes against them be counted, and hammer is now at 6/8

So, while I can't vote with the punk gang, I can override their attempted roleblock. I almost switched to FG last night, glad I didn't.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:45 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:40 pm Marmot + Trustworthy scummates might be a thing.
Trustworthy jokingly called Marmot scum, too, but on reread, it has that "inside joke" kind of feel that makes me feel that they could be scummates. Also, when Marmot asked all of us if we were ready to get into the thread, Trustworthy was the last to answer (pretty much a seconding of what Turnip said as an answer). Quin didn't answer at all.

So you're discounting that TH and I could be teammates for the same reason you're suggesting TL and I could be teammates right?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:56 pm could refer to a wolf in the punk gang. thinking about a scum who can't be in scum btsc because they're in gang btsc.

I dig this theory.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:59 pm do you know for sure that it went through though? hyena said it was a maybe thing
Yeah, we don't know if it goes through or not. We did target TSP last night though.

I wonder if the uncertainty with it going through is related to FG's role.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:12 am There's eight players alive right now, right? If I take {me, Nutella, Turnip, and Quin} to be all town, I'd only need one more town to have auto if I'm correct with those four.

Why are Quin and Turnip town?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:24 pm We did accept him, that didn't stop him from acting sketchy on purpose

Can you really suspect me if my sketchiness is intentional?

Y'all needed a direction. You didn't have a band name for pete's sake.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:41 pm Marmot talk to me about your progression on Enrique vs Poison D2. In #1175, you clearly indicate that you're scumreading Enrique and like the recent content from Poison. This is reinforced by you interrogating Enrique in #1177, while saying in #1192 that we're "voting Poison just for a reveal" (ie. not because she's actually scum).

However, in #1200, you indicate that you no longer wish to vote Enrique because of his claim that he performed a positive action on nutella. Sloonei points out in #1201 that abilities are not alignment-indicative, and you respond to that by doing a big shrug and going "well, the vote's gotta go somewhere" in #1202 before voting Poison in #1205.

Earlier, your stance seemed to be suspecting Enrique over Poison - later on you felt better about Enrique because of the claim. But Sloonei pointed out that the claim was NAI. What was the reason you voted Poison over Enrique in the end despite the claim (which is what put Enrique over Poison according to you) being NAI?

I was on my phone there, so couldn't explain my thoughts very well with the deadline approaching.

I wanted to place a meaningful vote. I was concerned about a tie happening because I didn't know what would happen in the case of a tie, so I opted to vote in a manner where the results were clear, and that meant Poison was the only option.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:39 pm I have some suspicion of marmot for not being as forthcoming about his ability but I think he hinted that he pulled them back into the thread which is probably just town? maybe he didn't want to be killed or something

Why?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:10 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:41 pm Quin may not have done anything obviously town but he didn't really do anything scummy either. I think more than anything else he was weirded out by the format. Why do you townread quin so strongly?
Because Quin was begging Mac not to shoot FG and the FG shot was pretty bad for town. Mac was choosing between FG and me, and both of us are town. A wolf has no reason to do anything but sit back and eat chips there.

Or it's just an easy argument to make because the results don't impact mafia one way or the other.

Ok, this is 11 posts in a row now. Someone please stop me.

Also, Turnip can have a temporary OMGUS vote.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:32 pm Why is the vote count this stagnant

Like we're 3 and a half hours from EOD and half the game hasn't voted

4.5 hours. You have to manually adjust your DST settings to adjust to the current time.

That's not all it is though. :/

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, since that's my prefered lynch candidate today.

nutella
Hyena
Trustworthy Liberal
TSP
Turnip Head
Alison
Quin

^ My rainbow looks like that right now.

And to summarize my suspicion of Quin:

He appeared to show a lot of activity Day 1 in the side chat (I had to read back since I wasn't there yet). Upon Day 1 ending, his activity appeared to slow considerably. His only comment about players in the game on Day 2 was that he likes poison, likes funnygurl, doesn't like tsp. He did expand a little bit on the Poison read, saying that he liked Poison's defense at the EOD. That amounts to a few comments over the course of Night 1 through Night 2.

Since joining this thread, he's voiced suspicion of me for... Not showing up in the punk chat until Night 1 and being accepted immediately? That's a concern that Quin had, although he's said that's not his issue. I'm still confused as to what his issue is.

Trustworth Liberal, Hyena, and TH did not slow down after Day 1. Quin did.

They can comment on that if they think differently, but I read back through to look for that pattern and that's what I saw.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:21 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:21 pm Okay, Marmot was the one who first mentioned that Alison was one of the later voters on Vulgard and that she did so because she trusted the voters on Vulgard in spite of finding Poison more suspicious. Marmot didn't think a scummate wouldn't make that kind of argument.

Turnip then questioned this and mentioned the possibility that Alison thought the amount of distancing was sufficient in Vulgard's end?
This discussion all happened shortly after I gave my thoughts on Vulgard's ISO.

I'm not excited about voting off Alison today for the reason Hyena mentioned here. Per the following post from Alison on Day 1.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:05 pm In a vacuum I suspect Poison more than Vulgard. But when we compare wagon purities I think Vulgard's wagon looks a lot better. In Radiohead Mafia D1 I voted my 2nd or 3rd strongest suspect instead of my 1st strongest suspect, purely because I had a lot of very confident townreads, and all my townreads were screaming for her head. I was confident the wagon there was pure so I voted her and she flipped mafia.

I'm in a similar situation now.

I don't think a scummate of Vulgard makes this argument after having a teammate already shot on Day 1. She suspects Poison more than Vulgard, but opts to make a vote in a very close race on Vulgard. This coulda been an easy vote for Poison based on her behavior before this, and kept a teammate alive if she's mafia.

I do think she's more likely town than a couple other players.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:49 pm [VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Their tone is sketchy, they won't vote, they only appear in the thread to defend themselves (when nutella threatened to shoot them and when TH and I questioned their tone), and their only push of note is an insane nutella tinfoil. I think there is a good chance TL is scum slanking their way through the day.

You're not wrong based on his inthread content. I suppose I still have a lingering townread from our side chat.

I've gotta run for a couple hours. I doubt I'd vote TL today, but hopefully he has a response to this.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:15 pm What about tsp?

I was about to make the argument that we blocked TSP and the kill went through, so maybe that partially clears him. But in hindsight, if there's a mafia in the punk chat, they could easily select the killer based on who's doing the blocking in there.

So blocking TSP is kinda irrelevant.

Just got back. I won't have time to read before EOD. Anything I should respond to specifically in these next 7 min?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:49 pm TH/quin fine either way. I think TH is more likely a hit.

Why TH over Quin?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:47 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:46 pm Punk Chat plus marmot contains probably like 160-170 percent of the wolves if there are two remaining. I'd therefore have to vote for Marmot if not for the fact that there can be two wolves in punk chat proper
why is marmot the wolf if there are two wolves in punk + marmot?
while I was operating under the assumption that there could only be one wolf in punk chat proper, marmot carried the bulk of the remaining wolf equity for original threads

That's a terrible assumption tbh. Not just for me, but for anyone in the punk chat. Roles have no bearing on alignment right?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:56 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:53 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:49 pm TH/quin fine either way. I think TH is more likely a hit.
Why TH over Quin?
Quin did some town stuff in thread. TH hasn't done this. TH has maybe some slightly better disassociatives but 1) lost wolf and 2) not the ones that matter

I feel slightly better about TH from punk chat, and I pointed out why I'm concerned about Quin. I wish he could've at least responded, but he hasn't posted since Friday.

What town things did Quin say??

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:59 pm What town things did Quin say??
Came into the thread, yelled at everyone, left

That's atctually a little compelling when you say it like that. I've done that as town.

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine to break the tie.

Who did fancy surviving things?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:05 pm Also, with 2-1 votes, the punk gang chose to RB Nutella last night with the logic that she probably isn't a town protective role considering her ability to shoot people during the day. The votes were me+Trustworthy for Nutella and Quin for Alison.

Are you sure about that?

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