The Syndicate

So um, I'm town and I think I'm the only one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?
I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again
Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?
I really don't remember sorry lol
You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.

I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm So um, I'm town and I think I'm the only one.
Marmot marmot, where have you been and what is mafia? I forget how to play, please remind me.

It depends. If you're the mafia, you probably want to kill me. If you're an innocent pure townie like me, you self-vote and hope your teammates will carry you.

Which one are you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:32 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?
I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again
Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?
I really don't remember sorry lol
You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.
I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.
That's a late follow.

That was my second post of the game.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:21 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm So um, I'm town and I think I'm the only one.
Marmot marmot, where have you been and what is mafia? I forget how to play, please remind me.
It depends. If you're the mafia, you probably want to kill me. If you're an innocent pure townie like me, you self-vote and hope your teammates will carry you.

Which one are you?
I'm excited to play with you. Hello you can be purestttt townie null. Gg.

Thank you!!!

I'm like a 12 on the ph scale, keeping in mind that mafia are acidic.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:52 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?
I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again
Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?
I really don't remember sorry lol
You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.
I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.
Marmot skimming and not fully reading is scum-shifting.

Dude, I'm just a basic townie. Get your alignments right.

Wait hold on, LC has votes. Is he bad?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:43 pm I think Long Con is something this game

I agree with this post in its entirety

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:11 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:09 pm Poison who's your top civ read?
Me

TSP. Nutella.
Syn
Marmot
Enrique

Tell me more about this marmot civ reed.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:16 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:14 pmlong con
Are those eggs on your bee!eyes?

But whyyyyyyy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 pm Oh I super misread that rule then

I thought it meant there were no vanilla villagers. Okay, then Marmot's fine.
If Syn is bad, Marmot is town.

But whyyyyyyeeeeeeee?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:17 pm marmot isn't even an easy target

their only vote is a self-vote

I'll try again.

I'm a mafia this game and I think I'm the only one.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:29 pm In reviewing this I've discovered a new TSP tell which I will not share until it can clear me as town at which point everyone will assume that because I've discovered it it's now fake

Maybe this is your tell? To promise to share your tell in the future as a distraction from your true inherent evilness?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:46 pm This game is hard to read. It feels like people are saying plenty but nothing at the same time. Reeee.

You trying to solve this game or something?

*votes LC

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:58 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:47 am*votes LC
Accurate but late.

Accurate?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:58 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:47 am*votes LC
Accurate but late.

Accurate?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:43 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:23 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:08 pm I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD
What? And also, why?
ideally people become more serious as time passes instead of less

voting for LC is a vote throw

and I like banter, but Marmot has low activity and isn't contributing beyond the jokes

I'm not being especially solvy myself so glass houses apply here
My guess is marmot hasn’t realized that LC died.

It has also been ages since Marmot played a game. I don’t remember him being super active on Day 1s in the past. I’m not disturbed by his light presence so far.

No no I did. That's why I voted for him.

Oh, I only just realized LC was mafia. I should read the full posts.

Actually, I am often active on Day 1. This is my first game in two years and I kinda forget to check in every 15 minutes like I used to.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:08 pm I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD

Why are you more concerned about my timing then my actions though??

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:01 pm Poison is acting similarly to when she was mafia and Vul is acting not at all like he did when he was town

For someone who's never met this Poison, could you explain to me these similarities.

Also [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], what do you make of this post from Vulcan? Particularly since they're voting for Poison, and those appear to be two of your primary suspects right now.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?
Why are you Marmotvoting?
Because I want Marmot to do something other than selfvote, although I suppose that me saying that now defeats the purpose of my vote.

Meh.

I'm not sure what to do about Poison. I'm in a weird situation here. I think her play this game has been close to her mafia play... in an off-site game I read, but NOT the last game I played with her here, when she was mafia and fooled me. I dislike the fact her reads seem rather forced, and she seems to be struggling to find her footing in this game. The biggest thing going for her right now is postcount, because it shows that she is not afraid of voicing her thoughts, but there hasn't really been anything in her posts that made me think "this must come from town." I'm also more paranoid of her scumgame after the last game we played.

Alison is town, because I think that her thought processes not only make perfect sense, but show a lack of TMI. I might be severely underestimating her scumgame, but I think the complexity of her thoughts would be difficult to replicate as mafia. I think that if she were mafia trying to fake these thoughts, the thoughts would make less sense. But what she is saying is cohesive, I understand where she is coming from (for the most part), and she is being fairly consistent. I wrote that I did not like her early townread on Long Con, and she mostly ignored it in a way I also found very towny. There is just this air of stubbornness and confidence around Alison which I really could hardly see as coming from mafia.

TSP is town because he's actually solving in this game and he wasn't really solving in his last one. Or at least, some of his posts looked like he was solving, which is a notable improvement in comparison to the last mafia game I have seen from him. That said, the read is getting weaker, because I'm starting to see him shift back to his "I do not actually care about solving" approach. I also find the lack of shitposting very odd. Could potentially be mafia overcompensating for how I caught him last game...?
For now, I think the differences are notable enough, and I think he still deserves a townread, but I can see a world where he's mafia trying to appease me specifically, since I caught him last game and got nightkilled right after. I didn't have 100% confidence in my last game read, but it was correct, and it makes sense for mafia!TSP to play specifically in a way to fool me here. Although, maybe I'm overestimating my potential impact.
I'm getting sidetracked. The conclusion here is that I'm still fairly confident TSP is town, but I do see a singular world where he's mafia. I don't really think he's mafia, though.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I'm not going to get anything from Marmot if they always selfvote like this. Would still like to see more than a selfvote, though.

By the way, @Enrique; how new are you to the game? Or did you already say it and I missed it? There's a read I have on you which only applies in case you answer in a specific way. I'm not saying what it is yet.

I find the highlighted portion to be a bit counter the rest of the paragraph. 1) Someone being unafraid to voice their thoughts looks civ to me. 2) If they're not afraid to voice their thoughts, how can said player also be forcing reads and not saying anything the reeks town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:01 pm Poison is acting similarly to when she was mafia and Vul is acting not at all like he did when he was town
For someone who's never met this Poison, could you explain to me these similarities.
Nutella had a wall on one particular aspect earlier. More generally: high general post count, more one liners than TSP. A few scum reads with content on those and not much big picture solving, though in this case we only have the promise of walls on those scum reads. Actually I don't even think we have the scum reads.

Also, frankly, Poison's posts this morning seem demotivated and sparse. As I'd expect Poison to be after losing a teammate to a day vig.

I did browse her posts from before LC's death, specifically her interactions with Long Con. She did banter and chat a lot with him. On one hand, I could see a townie doing this with someone they townread (as Poison did). On the other hand, most of the interactions were either not game related, or quite shallow for in-game discussions.

I don't disagree with you, I think your assertion is very possible.

I also just came across this post:

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:11 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:09 pm Poison who's your top civ read?
Me

TSP. Nutella.
Syn
Marmot
Enrique

Maybe I'm missing something, but didn't Poison townread Long Con? Why would he not show up on this list when Enrique asked?

I believe Poison indicated that she wouldn't be around before EOD, so we won't get any responses from her.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:26 pm so I fell asleep and yeah... uh whens eod

I'm sorry

Work and school

I hear sleep is better for your health than mafia, so I fully support this decision you've made.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:25 pm To the second point, Poison is voicing thoughts but is pretty specifically /not/ giving reads. I have no clue where Poison's head is at right now. So that suggests that Poison is voicing thoughts (via post count) but those thoughts aren't necessarily town indicative.

I do believe that in most cases, sincerity is more alignment indicative than content.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:34 pm Marmot is probably just town.

That's what I've been (mostly) saying!!!

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:59 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:08 pm I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD
Why are you more concerned about my timing then my actions though??
I come from a community where banter and random behaviour is the norm for D1, so the actions themselves don't really ping me beyond there being no real actions mixed in with them

the timing is of note because we're getting info and have a confirmed kill already, so this is about the time when people would be switching to a more serious approach rather than recommitting to the joke phase

your vote has the power to change the landscape, same with TSP's

just leaving it parked on LC, to me, feels worse than doing a sleep vote

If I'm understanding a sleep vote correctly, wouldn't they be exactly the same? Why would it feel worse?

You're assigning a lot of intent to my actions that aren't actually accurate.

Oh Poison you're here!!! Are you ready to die?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:51 pm Now I have to think if Marmot and FG both vote for Poison do I stand my ground

You don't have to worry. I'mma [VOTE: Vote Marmot] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:06 pm There are four zero posters in this game I say we policy chop them

Lol

Jk, Vulgan can have my vote.

[VOTE: Vulgan] aubergine

I'm so sorry, I had your name wrong.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Can someone remind me what hammer means? It's been a while since I've played with that mechanic.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:35 am Oh okay I’m dumb Syn probably died in place of X. Reading the role explains the role. The question becomes... who was X? Reading Syn’s iso, probably me or Sloonei? Not a lot of information there.

Most likely this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:55 am The first nanook game I played featured two separate game threads competing alongside each other.
The second nanook game I played featured two players who started the game outside the thread and could influence it from above.
This is the third nanook game I've played, and it started with 25% of the roster out of the thread, and now two additional players have been extracted along with three deaths.

This is to say I don't really know what's going on, but nanook likes mechanics that take people outside the game thread.
I have comfortable reads on most of the players in here right now.

Playing outside the game thread sounds fun. Where do I sign up?

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:20 pm
No idea about enrique and Marmot from this perspective

Just play as if I'm town for the remainder of the game plz.

Looking through Syn's posts, TSP and Sloonei look like the only two players who Syn townread and voiced no suspicion of.

I'm, curious if anyone finds anything else from reading through.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:58 pm i think poison is in a different universe lmao

Where does that put you?

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:58 pm i think poison is in a different universe lmao
Where does that put you?
A different universe from Poison!

I want coordinates!

I want coordinates please!

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:10 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Welcome to my universe

I agree with Poison. Without knowledge of why people are missing from the thread. We are both lacking incoming content from them and the ability to vote them (as well as their vote). Their multiverse is a detriment to ours.

But since they're gone, I'll make up for their absence with some wonderful content.

Here, have a cat.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:16 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:11 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:02 pm @Poison why do you assume the thread-removal ability is something the mafia team controls?
I don't think any town would be benefited by less number of players talking in the thread. Secondly, I feel like the players who are taken out of the thread were chosen maybe not random rng from the host.
But we don’t know what they’re doing out there. There could be benefits we are unaware of. They are very notably not dead.
Yeah they are not. They are basically like a zero poster. That neither helps nor destroys the game? Besides, we didn't get back the players who were out of the thread last day. How is it helping exactly?
We don’t know. But just because they’re out of the thread right now doesn’t mean those players are incapable of helping us. It is clearly stated that they can (re-)join us here.

If they are town, it narrows down the pool of suspects in here and keeps them protected. Do you assume they are town?

Yes, but we have no way of knowing if this is true right?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:06 pm Don't think the derp on LC dying was faked, and even disregarding that I think his tone has been genuine

I also made a crucial vote on the mafia person yesterday

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:54 pm Ok but you pointing that out makes it sound like a bus lol

I'm not just gonna wait around for you to notice.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:18 pm Given that the wolves probably? want to be removed from the thread I really don't feel like this is anything to be too concerned about revealing. I did one, the wolves already know it.

Why did you remove someone from the thread?

How mysteriverse.

Do you know if they went somewhere special? Or are they just not here?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:01 pm Poison is acting similarly to when she was mafia and Vul is acting not at all like he did when he was town
For someone who's never met this Poison, could you explain to me these similarities.
Nutella had a wall on one particular aspect earlier. More generally: high general post count, more one liners than TSP. A few scum reads with content on those and not much big picture solving, though in this case we only have the promise of walls on those scum reads. Actually I don't even think we have the scum reads.

Also, frankly, Poison's posts this morning seem demotivated and sparse. As I'd expect Poison to be after losing a teammate to a day vig.

Poison no longer feels demotivated and sparse. If anything the opposite is true. Per your statement yesterday TSP, I'd be more inclined to look at someone you described like this yesterday. Losing 2 teammates on Day 1 is a huge blow for the mafia. [mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] didn't have anything to say after hopping into the thread with this post near the e. Bad look for her.

It's also worth acknowledging that there might not be a single mafia player that is voteable today. I still think we vote someone off since we're ahead, but something to keep in mind.

That deserves a spoiler tag

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:50 pm oh yeah marmot i was at work when i posted that. when i came back there was a flip.

i was off yesterday........... but then sod was delayed so

Makes sense. I hope you got some sleep too

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:54 pm dunno why you'd even consider alison tho, imo she's like the most lock town of lock towns

I thought you were

Also, you called me marionberry jam. How dare you!

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me

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