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feels like forever since I last did a vote [VOTE: Made] aubergine

Or Nanook.

Kinda don't care which tbh.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:40 pm Oooo martin's voting me now!

Hi martin!!

hi

curious to see how this EoD2 goes since the thread is more "lets not delete martin for TMI suspicions" and less "OMG HE HAS TMI ON TUTUU AND THUNAL!!!" earlier this week

And yet these 3 wagons are so close but I already came to terms with my own deletion

Since I can't self-vote, might as well vote one of the cws, namely one that Mac pushed iirc

Can someone tell me how long the tim wagon existed?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:51 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:51 pm Can someone tell me how long the tim wagon existed?
A few seconds.

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Perhaps I was reading him on tone or smthn.

I see in my notes he's town but....

Maybe he isn't?

never read a tim before so there's that too

as compared to tutuu and thunal whom I've read both before

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:53 pm Now I just want to vote you again

Do I look like I care?

I'm curious what happens to me if tim flips wolf

and what happens to tim when I flip villager

(I think its fairly obvious that I probably die N2/D3 if Tim flips villa though)

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:04 pm Tim can take care of himself so don't worry about the second one...but I suspect that when I flip villager you are gonna have a very hard day three.

What makes you so sure I won't be, for example, delay vigg'ed?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:05 pm what is this apparent associative opposite-worlds read regarding martin and timothy

because I predict that's how town will take it

quite a few notables have been on the line about whether I am actually town or not

I'm fairly sure any wagonomics world I'm in it'll be seen a V/W or W/W

which is kinda why I don't mind dying as well as my past statements

I'm going to be a consensus topic on D3 very often unless I get proven one way or another

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:14 pm was the 112 wagon always there or am I losing it?

it recently appeared

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:15 pm Nobody ever ats me with cases when I ask.

@Jackofhearts2005

I don't know any cases completely off the top of my head but I'm indicted with allegations of TMI on Tutuu and Thunal33/Hollowkatt being town

MartinGG99
7
21%
Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin

Timsup2nothin
7
21%
Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella

neat

just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town

I wonder when people are going to point out that I haven't self-voted

and then I will say no u and read the rules

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:31 pm
MartinGG99
7
21%
Voters: hollowkatt, tedxtr, Master Radishes, Justplayingitcool, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Hyena, Timsup2nothin

Timsup2nothin
7
21%
Voters: MacDougall, Marmot, Made, tutuu, MartinGG99, Sloonei, nutella
neat

just remember tutuu + Thunal (now HK) are town
Oh yeah how do you know this?

that's why I'm being deleted

lol

Seriously note though as I've emphasized time and time again in my iso

Thunal is town for copying their mindset or way of thinking from grasslands

Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:35 pm Seriously note though as I've emphasized time and time again in my iso

Thunal is town for copying their mindset or way of thinking from grasslands

Tutuu is town for scum-reading me for being in some ways illogical (I believe) which town tutuu but aside from that if she's scum she's stepped up her game for d1 but then that looks weird to me because she didn't optimize the eventual Cat flip who had many votes on for a long while

This contains the main stuff I've said on Tutuu + Thunal I believe

Tutuu

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:28 am tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.
I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:21 pm Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.

Thunal

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:49 am I will also need more than "X could be scum because it's multiball and they can be scumhunting honestly" at all points in this game. Yes, that is a thing to be mindful of, but it is not a case in itself.
hey @Sloonei

it might sound absurd

but it actually feels like that's what town Thunal says or happens to think about many times

or at the very least I get the feeling I recognize their responses and thinking as if they were from the Grasslands game:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:10 am My issue isn't the read you're making. My issue is that you're like handing out reads left and right for stuff that (in my view) should be close to NAI, and I don't see evidence of the paranoia I'd expect to see from town there. There's a disparity between the substance of the read and the attitude you have towards it that I think can be plausibly explained by you having NAI on the subject of the read.

This isn't to say that townies can never be paranoid about their townreads early. But I think that kind of confidence comes either from a long history or extensive meta on the person, or because they saw something that they thought was really hard to fake. I don't think you believe that the observations you've made about me are at all hard to fake - which makes me question why the possibility I was faking didn't seem to factor into your analysis.
The possibility the person is faking always does come into my analysis, but it's not exactly good town strategy to hedge every single read I make by saying "This looks good, but they could be faking" or "I like these thoughts, but they could be faking them." It's kind of obvious that it's a possibility so I don't feel the need to actually state it.
(DEAR READER: THE ABOVE QUOTE IS IN A PAST GAME. THANK YOU.)

The only problem I could see is this, but I would argue that since it comes into play with their thinking and analysis so often, its probably difficult to keep a consistent behavior of not stating the obvious. Especially since their recent post here, in this game:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:42 pm I'm not saying this to defend myself and I'm not even sure if it's AI, I'm just thinking out loud:

I put a lot of thought into my posts as either alignment. I double check things and write things down and make sure my tone isn't wrong or forced. It feels restrictive but I do it anyway since I don't want to be in the PoE and I hate being yeeted. Turbos and video mafia feel more freeing since I can actually be myself without having to look at my posts under a microscope since I don't have the time to do that. Maybe I should stop overanalyzing my posts, I don't know, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to accept the downturn in results I think will come from that. I like being a good player and I want to be a better player, I take this game seriously especially in the long forum format. I just wish that the best strategy was to be myself but from experience I don't think it is. I'll try not to overthink quite as much, I guess, but I don't know what will come from that.
Suggests trying to be open with all of their thoughts and that IMO their tone was overall good here, though not to a clearing degree.

Not to mention, them "not stating the obvious" was actually the clear cause of them getting into a TvT for said Grasslands game. (<- Link to a huge post about it)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:37 pm Not to mention this game COULD be multi-ball and hence they may feel more need to say it than before.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:19 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:04 pm so like lots of people talking about my thunal vote but not many people telling me their thoughts on thunal
@dyachei, I hope you will look at this. It goes into a bit how I feel like they're town Thunal.

Now, with regards to what you've said:

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:07 pm thunal in every game you've towned in that I've seen, you've had a solving spark. in this game you're pretty dull so far

it's concerning and I don't think game type matters
I'm not sure if a "solving spark" is a good enough thing to look into. I mean its a big vague as it doesn't seem to specify if it is looking at, for example, motivation or just the happenstance of actually solving people. Or if its simply gut feeling.

I would disagree with motivation, I feel like they're motivated a fair bit even though they as of late have said they're demotivated.

Additionally, "not solving people" I think they may be more inclined to actually do that more often as mafia unless they're 3p. Reason being that by extension knowing you're a factional evil and all the other evils in your faction, regardless if there is multiball, means anyone who's not you or your buddies is more likely to be town than it is for any town who's unaware of everything.

Not to mention, this has 27 players in it. you could presumably throw out a strong town-read or two and get away with it without boxing oneself in.

If this "solving spark" refers to something else, please let me know.

I probably have a bunch more stuff I've said in my ISO about them, but this is what I have off the top of my head.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:41 pm Why are we defending Tutuu and HownnalKat?

"We"?

HAVE YOU NOT READ THEM BEING PUSHED BY A SIZEABLE VOTE COUNT ON D1 AND D2 AT TIMES???????????

smh thread's trying to chop martin but doesn't why its doing it

Doesn't know why*

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:11 pm I still townread marmot but i am considering voting there just cuz i want ... Like ... I want to be wrong. I want to go against myself and either see how wrong i was on my read, or see i was right and yet chop my correct tr. In both case i get to be wrong and i will ... enjoy that

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

is it wrong that I vibe with tutuu for this

Well not on Marmot, but with tim that's kinda what I was feeling.

Besides, MR is doing what I kinda did before in his own way imo and I think I should respect that

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:49 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:15 pm Nobody ever ats me with cases when I ask.
@Jackofhearts2005

I don't know any cases completely off the top of my head but I'm indicted with allegations of TMI on Tutuu and Thunal33/Hollowkatt being town
As in Tutuu is scum cause they’ve got tmi those two are town?

nah because some people have thought or still do think I got TMI on them

I stick out like a sore thumb defending them and believing they're town while no one seems to have similar levels of confidence on that

Maybe I'm confbiased but I think regardless of the possible flips going on, MR is just town here (unless we're all town wagons in which case we got bigger problems lol).

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:57 pm i will eat my sock and record myself and post it itt

please don't do that (in any case) :c

you're an enjoyable player to have around overall

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:48 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:44 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:42 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:42 pm so far all the mafia have been named after animals
i knew a cat named kyle once
Is this true????
I think that you, me, Mac, and Martin are the only players using given names for screen names...Mac's town, I'm town...if you are town should we just clear Martin or nah?

Martin's not my given name, Marshall is.

But considering online sources are the most frequent social interaction I get (where my username is martin) you might as well consider my given name to be Martin anyways lol.

I'm not sure clearing me is a good idea for anyone as any alignment. If a town calls me town correctly despite any controversy its likely considered TMI; considering how I've been suspected of TMI for having (what I believe to be) correct town reads on Tutuu and the Thunal/HK slot.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:50 pm nutella
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Michelle
Made
Hyena

Master Radishes
tedxtr
Sloonei
112
Long Con
JackofHearts2005

DrWilgy
Kylemii
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
MartinGG99
falcon45ca

Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
Timsup2nothin
tutuu

Alison

Mind giving your thoughts or reasons on JPIC + Michelle please?

Dizzy as well since I haven't seen them recently, but it's not like im here 24/7.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:13 pm Anyway...I think your TR on Tutuu might be wrong. Have you been updating that, or might it be a bit stale?

I'm considering it pending when I look into Marmot + Tutuu interactions.

I still think she's town though; its what I feel. The only thing that would make me doubt it is, as I've said, if they had bad interactions with multiple flipped scum I think. Or something along those lives.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:15 pm Or something along those lives.

Lines* not lives

Made wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:54 pm also wait, has anyone ever claimed dead before?

Like can you do that?

Quite a number of games on TS allow you to make a single dead-red post like Ouch when you die / its announced in the thread that you died.

You clearly missed the SoD3 flip.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:03 pm Of the five people in the list, she scares me the most right now for how outspoken she was about not wanting to vote Marmot. Also, after reading some of the recent interactions between Tutuu and Martin, I worry that their relationship in this game is mirroring similar relationships I've had with people in game that I've townread people regardless of their alignment... basically basing it completely off how enjoyable I'm finding someone (past examples for me include Elephant/Mendel, Trustworthy, and Evenstar).

We should probably lock Hyena as town btw. Or 3p, but that's not really a priority at all to me tbh considering their contributions.

@tutuu mind telling me why you confidently town-read Marmot?

Or what you mistook as towniness

I've looked at length at Tutuu's ISO and her interactions with Marmot, her reads of him, and her reads of me.

I've felt like there's something there that I couldn't put into words, but after staring at walls of text for 30 minutes or so I determined that its possible that what I was trying to put into words was likely just paranoid WIFOM thinking.

I do think the interactions or statements in some posts were (arguably) rather bad though, but I can't really say its a conviction.

I haven't looked into her interactions with cat at all, but I trust others when they said those were bad as well and now considering that she has 2 bad interactions with different scum slots I'm not as willing to hard defend them.

I don't think she should be eliminated today, or at least I likely won't, but I think I should continue to consider the thought of a scum Tutuu in the future.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:27 pm I don't think she should be eliminated today, or at least I likely won't push + consider it, but I think I should continue to consider the thought of a scum Tutuu in the future.

Ebwop.

So, considering there's been only 1 mafia KP per night (it would seem)

Why is there a delayed n3 vigilante? Does mafia have KP and its just super delayed or is their mafia team just really big?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:34 pm Does mafia have extra KP

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:35 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:34 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:34 pm Does mafia have extra KP

Oh yeah, totally. What do you want to know about the ol' team?

I want to know what justifies having a delayed n3 vig like Tim claimed to be

For night-kill purposes its like it has been mountainous-esque since n1

and ik my role, though it does not have KP, has been active since n1

so I'm wondering what the !@#$ is going on with the setup or is that delayed n3 vig claim just somehow bs to get another power off before being deleted

Dya was a "kill if deleted" role
Cat was a silencer/blackmailer role
Marmot was a "Tetris steal/manipulate abilities" role
Mac was a "tempoary masonizer thing" role

And w/ knowing my role, with all these things being capable of activity on n1

Just hearing a "delayed vigilante" of some sort sounds odd to me so far.

Especially when we have not seen a kp-capable mafia role other than their factional kill

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:46 pm a vig doesn't mean there has to be matching kill power on the wolf side

a vig has a pretty good chance of getting a town dead

also some vigs like claiming before they get a shot off so they can be roleblocked or nightkilled if they're town

Fair enough I suppose.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:50 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:48 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:46 pm a vig doesn't mean there has to be matching kill power on the wolf side

a vig has a pretty good chance of getting a town dead

also some vigs like claiming before they get a shot off so they can be roleblocked or nightkilled if they're town
Fair enough I suppose.
fair enough tell smh

Fair enough.

oh hey we're voting the person who I had my vote on for most of d2

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

on a more serious quick note btw

I'm not going to be very active in the upcoming week; or at least I'm not certain how active I'll be

I have a bunch of exams and a 10-hour extracurricular conference to attend and write about so I'll be quite busy with my 5 courses

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:51 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Getting cold feet

you just don't like me smh

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:13 pm Also, another random though,

Could Falcon be some sort of Jester role? That would be funny, lol

Seems unlikely to me. Dya had sorta that thing, and afaik Falcon technically was 3p in the last two big games here (Spider-verse, apparently? And shadow corridors I think).

Getting 3p again would be surprising.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:03 pm I was gonna argue he wasn’t “lolcatting” but he did self vote and say peace out fuckers so it’s pretty pedantic atp.
I'm so confused, are the votes that count the posted votes or the poll votes?

Poll votes count. Its just really encouraged to post them when you make them if possible.

Self-votes aren't counted though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:36 pm Cat had a silencer role. Someone got muted.

Marmot had a Tetris role. I got a Tetris challenge N2 after Marmot died.

Scum have a universal backup it seems. No way they use that power on a teammate who's not even under much suspicion on N1.

Sloonei gets a pass until late game if he's still alive, then we can re-eval.

Oh neat, interesting to know.

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