The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:00 am I would really really love people to wagon Master Radishes. @112 that should appeal to you no?

I'd join in but it's against the rules apparently.

Anything interesting happen

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:26 am sig (3): Ender, Mac, KZA
Rondo (3): TSP, Scotty, Urist
Ender (3): Syn, Wilgy, Radishes
Syn (3): Ruri, Made, Michelle
Epignosis (3): Nanook, tutu
112 (2): Epignosis, DkKoba
tutuu (1): Axe
Creature (1): Rondo
Urist (1): 112
Poison (1): tedxtr

Not Voting (4): Creature, Sig, Falcon, Poison

I think this is correct.

This wagon formation always something something

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:11 am Was trying to see votes in the thread and then noticed that only the poll mattered. In that case, I probably shouldn't vote in the thread?

It's nice etiquette to call your vote in thread so we can track it later. Not everyone does it though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:31 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:15 pm[VOTE: 112] aubergine
Yes.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
@Master Radishes was this vote predicated on anything you saw 112 posts or was it just pure rvs?

Pure RVS iirc.

My readslist:

Spoiler: show

Wait hold on let me colour code that.

My readslist:

Spoiler: show

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:40 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:37 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:49 am Lock V:
MacDougall

Those I know, and probably can read:
Michelle
tedxtr
EnderWiggin

Played with before, don't remember:
Syn
112
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Should be on my radar:
tutuu

The rest:
Creature
NotAnAxehole
sig
falcon45ca
Urist
RondoDimBuckle
Master Radishes
Epignosis
DkKoba
Made
Poison
DrWilgy
Scotty
KZA
TonyStarkPrime

- signed, Ruri
There really are no reads here. I think u might be mafia
I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity but It does look like a bunch of nothing with a lot of what town already says? I see syn sneaking up on the list though

Why do you always say scummy things and why am I still not sure you're scum?

I don't really have an issue with Ruri's list? Like it's so blatantly not a readslist that I I don't think it was meant to be one.

This I do sorta get though.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:40 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:15 am Why's people voting Ender, actually?
I think this is a common post a wolf makes when they see a villager getting voted by other villagers @MacDougall (obviously town can also make it but yaknow)

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:45 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:42 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:40 am
I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity but It does look like a bunch of nothing with a lot of what town already says? I see syn sneaking up on the list though
Why do you always say scummy things and why am I still not sure you're scum?
What makes you think it is scummy? I think it's quite opposite

'I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity'

That's a textbook mafia thought. It's just...not a textbook mafia post because who tf would say that.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:45 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:44 am I don't really have an issue with Ruri's list? Like it's so blatantly not a readslist that I I don't think it was meant to be one.
my issue is its so middle of the road, there is no risk in it. Its basically saying "Status quo" with a few hedge changes that are not really inspired its just blah.

But it's not a list of reads. It's a list of who she knows or has played with or whatever.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:47 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:44 am I don't really have an issue with Ruri's list? Like it's so blatantly not a readslist that I I don't think it was meant to be one.
I think its scum busywork. Why as town post a formatted readslist with bolded headings to let us know which people uve played with before 12 hours before EOD and not at the start of the game?

I thought the mindset was "im scum, i need to appear busy"

Yeah, okay, I can see this angle.

Like I was thinking I didn't mind it not being a readslist, but I suppose it can be a 'busywork' post like tutuu said.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:51 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:48 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:45 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:42 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:40 am
I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity but It does look like a bunch of nothing with a lot of what town already says? I see syn sneaking up on the list though
Why do you always say scummy things and why am I still not sure you're scum?
What makes you think it is scummy? I think it's quite opposite
'I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity'

That's a textbook mafia thought. It's just...not a textbook mafia post because who tf would say that.
I have said that as a town, I have seen others saying that as a town, as a mafia I'd rather come up with something that looks like I'm disagreeing quite a lot "but I see your point might be right in some world".

Although it depends how you think it is scummy, like from w/w or w/v pov?

I can't say I've ever, as town, worried about how if I agree with someone I'll be seen as having equity with them.

I'm not calling it too scummy to be scum fyi, not just plain 'scummy'. And I'm certainly not playing any 'w/w or w/v' games.

Took a quick glance at Ruri's iso.

Pretty null tbh. I liked her entrance and general early post. She seemed comfortable. IMO scum tend to prefer to backread or at least delve in to something to look contributive and Ruri essentially just walked in and sat down and waved hello and hasn't left her seat to even get a drink or anything yet. At no point do I really sense her feeling forced or out of place in the thread.

Flipside of that is she hasn't...really done much. I mean, the same can be said of quite a few of us in this game so far tbh. But yeah, a few halfhearted opinions thrown out with little to back them up. On a macro level she's done nothing that really deserves a firm townread. There are maybe a couple posts one could nitpick ala as Tutuu has done.

I was nursing a slight townlean on Ruri from earlier, but maybe that was premature. I don't really see anything better or worse than anyone else though. GTH I still call her town.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:57 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:44 am I don't really have an issue with Ruri's list? Like it's so blatantly not a readslist that I I don't think it was meant to be one.
Do you have a read on me?

I liked your story.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:02 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:41 am Wait hold on let me colour code that.

My readslist:

Spoiler: show
The Mafia are somewhere in this list:

1. Creature
2. Michelle
3. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4. NotAnAxehole
5. sig
6. tutuu
7. MacDougall
8. falcon45ca
9. Urist
10. RondoDimBuckle
11. EnderWiggin
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
14. DkKoba
15. Made
16. Syn
17. 112
18. Poison
19. Ruri
20. tedxtr
21. DrWilgy
22. Scotty
23. KZA
24. TonyStarkPrime

I assume this isn't serious.

Every post I make is serious.

You guys post too much.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:52 am Doesn't have to be a 5 person POE at this point of the game let's make 7. Creature goes back in, bring me another random name to put in it.

Put me in coach

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:48 am i actually think Radish posted something good before but then idk why i keep missing his posts or just forget about him, I have expected a bit more of his presence

Ah, I see your mistake. You have expectations of me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:45 am I am still interested in this Ender wagon. I don't feel great about Radishes or Syn and their reasons for voting Ender are bad (this will be funny), they've both been substantially present since and are still there. Wilgy's reasons for being there seemed good and predicated on actual solving. If Wilgy was mafia in this particular gamestate I feel like he'd be leaning into the chaos not pro-towning. Ender himself has seemed mostly ok but he has a good range. I really wonder whether it's two wolves voting Ender for distancing reasons.

Ngl I forgot I had even voted Ender and it surprised me earlier to see my name there.

I've begun to realise I haven't paid attention to most of the people in this game.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:44 am radishes maf still

No my rolecard changed I'm town now.

Scum kicked me off their team.

Agree with others that Rondo is likely town. KZA is town unless his meta has changed a lot. Ted I get a good feeling about too in the sense he feels notably different from GoC in a pro-town way.

I don't think there's anyone else I have a particularly strong opinion on. Don't feel like GTHing it.

Above takes based pretty much entirely on last few hundred posts. I didn't read most of the early game tbh which is probably why I don't know how to feel about others.

My vote is for sale today.

That's fine we can ignore me.

I don't want to chat to any of you anyway because then I might accidentally get into the flow of the game and be helpful or something.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:05 am That's fine we can ignore me.
I mean you admitted to not reading the game

It was a cry for help.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:14 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:13 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:05 am That's fine we can ignore me.
I mean you admitted to not reading the game
It was a cry for help.
Do I need to look up a support line for you?

No I just need someone to talk with me about something so I can start getting in sync with current events.

But actually not right now cuz I'm going.

Actually I may not be back by EoD.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Just got home from a party.

Who am I voting for?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:58 pm Just got home from a party.

Who am I voting for?
This is wolf

It is not. I've missed 600 posts and didn't know Dya was in the game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that

I thought I was gonna be all edgy coming in here saying Michelle maf and Syn town and tutuu snipes me.

(Not sure on Michelle being mafia anymore though if she's poisoned.)

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:11 pm Michelle t

We lost at rand, killing roles are making terrible choices

"Grr you other townies are making such bad choices, it's all your fault."

*proceeds to do nothing to help except*

What a winning approach.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:14 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:13 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that
I thought I was gonna be all edgy coming in here saying Michelle maf and Syn town and tutuu snipes me.

(Not sure on Michelle being mafia anymore though if she's poisoned.)
im happy with that. i still think youre mafia, but i am happy to have people's reads aligned with mine, even if my scumreads

is okay I dunno about you either

Made wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:12 pm Gun to head, scum was trying to dodge the doc save. Regardless

@MacDougall we are contacting you concerning your car's extended warranty

There is no need to start tinfoiling Mac yet. It was likely just a doc dodge.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:16 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:13 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that
I thought I was gonna be all edgy coming in here saying Michelle maf and Syn town and tutuu snipes me.

(Not sure on Michelle being mafia anymore though if she's poisoned.)
what are your thoughts on mac?

Gruff exterior, marshmallow insides.

Inno child.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:17 pm i think that @Syn is town due to his lack of self-pres. i have played with both town and mafia syn. if he tryhards its a towntell for him. he can be low energy as either alignment. the thing is, he acknowledged that he is on the chopping block. he saw that he is a top wagon and said "maybe i should go read back". he was online 30 minds before eoD iirc (as in he posted itt). i believe that it is more likely that if he is mafia, he will put the extra effort for his team to leave a self-pres vote. thats how most people feel like, since if they are part of a mafia team on discord it feels more intimate. if you are town you dont know your teammates, you might as well be playing solo.

so i think that syn's complete lack of interest (also the "i just voted for the name closest to mine" stuff are too absurd to come from scum. i think he is town

Agree with this. Also just...I feel like I'm reading my own iso when I read his. Like he hinted he has things irl (deadlines or whatever) and so he's mostly just being sassy, and I just see myself when I'm in the same position. I always get scumread for it too. He doesn't give af in that situation and neither do I.

And like...there are a whole lotta ??s on the Syn wagon fmpov. And that was the wagon that didn’t move much at EoD. Like it was the people who popped off a vote earlier then didn’t stop by for EoD. Unless I am *vastly* wrong on my townreads (most of whom ended up on Dya) then there are scum, and I would think more than one, on Syn.

Whether this in particular makes Syn the bussed wolf or a mischop bait the wolves thought they had nailed down…could go either way actually. But I’m entertaining the latter idea. There’s a whole lot of people who I want to say are town who swapped last minute to Dya, which suggests town were struggling to decide (natural for a large game D1) and scum were content to sit where they were. I haven’t checked everyone on that wagon but I do feel like I didn’t see most of the Syn-voters around at EoD.

So I also want to read Syn as town based on VCA. Which is a stupid and often wrong way to form opinions but I'm doing it anyway.

Okay I give up trying to keep up on all the threads of convo happening concurrently.

I might just go to bed.

What are people's takes on Ender? Some people seem to know them and I think I saw one or two people give them a townread but they are a blank void for me.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:23 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:17 pm i think that @Syn is town due to his lack of self-pres. i have played with both town and mafia syn. if he tryhards its a towntell for him. he can be low energy as either alignment. the thing is, he acknowledged that he is on the chopping block. he saw that he is a top wagon and said "maybe i should go read back". he was online 30 minds before eoD iirc (as in he posted itt). i believe that it is more likely that if he is mafia, he will put the extra effort for his team to leave a self-pres vote. thats how most people feel like, since if they are part of a mafia team on discord it feels more intimate. if you are town you dont know your teammates, you might as well be playing solo.

so i think that syn's complete lack of interest (also the "i just voted for the name closest to mine" stuff are too absurd to come from scum. i think he is town
Agree with this. Also just...I feel like I'm reading my own iso when I read his. Like he hinted he has things irl (deadlines or whatever) and so he's mostly just being sassy, and I just see myself when I'm in the same position. I always get scumread for it too. He doesn't give af in that situation and neither do I.

And like...there are a whole lotta ??s on the Syn wagon fmpov. And that was the wagon that didn’t move much at EoD. Like it was the people who popped off a vote earlier then didn’t stop by for EoD. Unless I am *vastly* wrong on my townreads (most of whom ended up on Dya) then there are scum, and I would think more than one, on Syn.

Whether this in particular makes Syn the bussed wolf or a mischop bait the wolves thought they had nailed down…could go either way actually. But I’m entertaining the latter idea. There’s a whole lot of people who I want to say are town who swapped last minute to Dya, which suggests town were struggling to decide (natural for a large game D1) and scum were content to sit where they were. I haven’t checked everyone on that wagon but I do feel like I didn’t see most of the Syn-voters around at EoD.

So I also want to read Syn as town based on VCA. Which is a stupid and often wrong way to form opinions but I'm doing it anyway.
bad

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:27 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:26 pm What are people's takes on Ender? Some people seem to know them and I think I saw one or two people give them a townread but they are a blank void for me.
i have the same read on at least half of the playerlist

I mean...yeah. Me too. I zeroed in on Ender because I was looking at the Dya wagon.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:26 pm What are people's takes on Ender? Some people seem to know them and I think I saw one or two people give them a townread but they are a blank void for me.
good player, reminds me of a younger master radishes

got eem

I mean Syn is really just a diet Master Radishes.

I haven't even read their posts tbh, but if Sig and Koba are just gonna keep going back and forth I'm going to bed.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:39 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:38 pm And everything should be read as what would be bad if you were town gotta assume everyone is town to a degree and work backwards that’s a basic playstyle so if you were town would you do x,y,z when the answer is no means you’re probably not town.

You’re also just kind off redirecting and haven’t answered any points anyone made.

Specially I’m wondering why did you do anything to poison if you’re scum reading me and really to explain your post about the D1 flip since that’s still weird
bro let me coach u sometime, my scumgame is godly and i would love to lend u a hand because this is making me like CRINGE inwardly like if i was scum with you i'd be typing up paragraphs for u LOL

Okay but actually can we not slip into condescension please.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:40 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:39 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:38 pm And everything should be read as what would be bad if you were town gotta assume everyone is town to a degree and work backwards that’s a basic playstyle so if you were town would you do x,y,z when the answer is no means you’re probably not town.

You’re also just kind off redirecting and haven’t answered any points anyone made.

Specially I’m wondering why did you do anything to poison if you’re scum reading me and really to explain your post about the D1 flip since that’s still weird
bro let me coach u sometime, my scumgame is godly and i would love to lend u a hand because this is making me like CRINGE inwardly like if i was scum with you i'd be typing up paragraphs for u LOL
Okay but actually can we not slip into condescension please.
whats your read on sig's push on me?

I'm not reading either of your posts about each other. Both of you are scummy on tone and feels tbh, but I've not paid any close attention to either of you and everytime I glance at any of either of your recent posts' my eyes glaze over because the argument looks boring.

But if you're going to start being disrespectful in any manner just...don't.

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