The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:47 pm Players I feel best about in the Trustfall/Distrustfall exercise: Hally, Alison, SPF, Falcon
Players I feel pretty good about, but not quite as good as above: Bo, Strawhenge
Players I felt better about than I expected to: Michelle, Esooa, KZA
Players I was ambivalent about/could go either way: fingersplints, Long Con, TSP, Oddmerta, JPIC

That leaves me with the following players in a group that I felt more strongly about in the distrustfall than the trustfall exercise:
al_sama, dom, nanook, ted

That is four names, and four is almost certainly not enough to net us all of the mafia members left in the game.
I did not include a tier for "players I felt worse about than I expected." If I had done that, Odd and fingersplints would have been the names on the list. I do not wish to give the impression that either of them are outright suspects right now, but if anyone took a hit in this exercise, it was the two of them.

I have no read on JPIC except that he's not aligned with Marmot. I do not have time to sort him out this instant.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:35 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:18 pm Does anyone have a feeling that wolves are happy with the gamestate? i am looking at the 2 big wagons and not grewing counters and i like both Ted and Tony and I am terribly confused

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Who's not cooperating?
Poll runs till Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 am
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AL_sama
1
5%
Voters: staypositivefriend
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
BoKnows
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
1
5%
Voters: Esooa
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Hally
0
No votes
Voters: None
Justplayingitcool
0
No votes
Voters: None
KZA
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
2
9%
Voters: Michelle, Sloonei
Oddmerta
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
Strawhenge
0
No votes
Voters: None
tedxtr
7
32%
Voters: Justplayingitcool, Strawhenge, Hally, AL_sama, TonyStarkPrime, BoKnows, KZA
TonyStarkPrime
6
27%
Voters: Oddmerta, Alison, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, fingersplints, falcon45ca, tedxtr
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
I'm cooperatin' here darn tooting! (Host/Dead/Non)
5
23%
Voters: MacDougall, nutella, novaselinenever, JaggedJimmyJay, Marmot
Total votes: 22

And the 2 biggest wagons

tedxtr
7
32%
Voters: Justplayingitcool, Strawhenge, Hally, AL_sama, TonyStarkPrime, BoKnows, KZA
TonyStarkPrime
6
27%
Voters: Oddmerta, Alison, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, fingersplints, falcon45ca, tedxtr

I don't like how people said 'i am happy with these lynches' this is a sentence that shows lack of concern for being wrong and they are apparently scum hunting but not all of them.

well tony and ted have emerged as suspects because of some good work done by both dead villagers and living (likely) villagers, so it’s not as though we’ve arbitrarily decided they should be the wagons. and particularly in a multiball setup, most people itt will not be teamed with ted or tony if either is a wolf and will be fine with their lunch. marmot was eliminated with 9 votes and he was a wolf. thread dynamics are just different in a multiball environment because there’s villagers AND wolves hunting wolves

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:43 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:38 pm post #6100 says at distrusfall that I caused a ruckus.
What make you think I would risk to attract attention to myself if i were scum @BoKnows, what benefit I would have?
Your way of playing is in your villa meta, but this logic is twisted

the point of a distrustful is to actively search for reasons that every player could be a wolf. it’s not a wolf read. he’s just saying IF he were to look for a reason to wolf read you, that’s the reason he’d come up with

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:53 pm Update: I don't have to wash dishes tonight after all. Life is good. I'll be home from work earlier and more energized!

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:48 pm Btw Hally, what's your conclusion of the game i linked?

you’re probably a villager

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:36 am oddmerta did not directly mention marmot once throughout the entirety of d1

that's wack

I never directly mentioned you either come to think of it

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:38 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:36 am oddmerta did not directly mention marmot once throughout the entirety of d1

that's wack

I never directly mentioned you either come to think of it

Did you mention me? Asking from curiosity

I did not

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:12 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:09 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:38 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:36 am oddmerta did not directly mention marmot once throughout the entirety of d1

that's wack

I never directly mentioned you either come to think of it

Did you mention me? Asking from curiosity

I did not

Why? What read do you have for me?

You haven't warranted commenting on my read is you are seemingly towm defending wolves for reasons unknown

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved

This is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.

But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.

On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.

it's notable to me that nanook, fingersplints, and ted (and oddmerta, to a lesser extent) are all on the TSP wagon. TSP has high equity to be a wolf but the majority of the people on his wagon are people that i've also found to have high wolf equity. that indicates to me that the POE is slightly off or that the teams are pushing against each other. i lean on the latter being the case, although it is just speculation until we see more flips

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:20 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:18 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:12 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:09 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:38 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:42 am

I never directly mentioned you either come to think of it

Did you mention me? Asking from curiosity

I did not

Why? What read do you have for me?

You haven't warranted commenting on my read is you are seemingly towm defending wolves for reasons unknown

How do you know they are wolves?

We don't know for sure but that's the game we're playing

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:02 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:00 am How did I end up with 2 more votes while I was asleep, what the hay guys

u haven't been very townie. marmot interactions not great. You'll need to help us find a better alternative to be his teammate(s).

on that subject, have you talked about ted yet?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am @Michelle do you think that it's alignment-indicative to have fewer posts than the more prolific posters? Why? I feel like I could take a usual player list on the Syndicate and match them up with a list of their post totals pretty accurately, and that it would be that way regardless of alignment.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:26 am Ok @Long Con I found one example for you. Here Michelle wants to talk about low posters.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:11 pm

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Who posted? - This is a list of all members who posted in this topic
UsernamePosts
JaggedJimmyJay573
Sloonei460
Alison454
BoKnows440
TonyStarkPrime414
MacDougall399
Hally384
tutuu330
Esooa296
Long Con251
Justplayingitcool226
KZA213
tedxtr212
falcon45ca203
staypositivefriend192
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME156
Marmot152
Oddmerta122
Michelle114
Strawhenge98
fingersplints82
AL_sama53
novaselinenever7
Dom6
Master Radishes2

Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Again there may be other instances where the phrasing is more “need to hear more from” “need to contribute more” instead of just “low poster” but I don’t have time to search the thread for every instance.

What are you hoping to gain from that question?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:16 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:28 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:20 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:18 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:12 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:09 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:03 am

I did not

Why? What read do you have for me?

You haven't warranted commenting on my read is you are seemingly towm defending wolves for reasons unknown

How do you know they are wolves?

We don't know for sure but that's the game we're playing

Looks like i play a different game
I am concerned because this consensus seems not natural

What do you mean by this, michelle?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:02 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:00 am How did I end up with 2 more votes while I was asleep, what the hay guys

u haven't been very townie. marmot interactions not great. You'll need to help us find a better alternative to be his teammate(s).

on that subject, have you talked about ted yet?

Why i have the impression you preflipped already Ted as mafia?

I think nanook and ted look bad individually and also both have decent potential to be teammates. I do not think they have talked about each other much. I want to make that happen.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:46 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:16 am What do you mean by this, michelle?

I don't trust the current wagons and i see everyone is happy.

What did you mean by "not natural"?

Would you like to explain why ted is town? That might help some of the people on his wagon, or help to expose the ones who are there dishonestly.

also for what it's worth, i am starting to feel close to as good about a nanook vote as a ted vote.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:32 pm Why is my top town top wagon?

Sorry i fell asleep earlier

because you’ve refused to elaborate on your read

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:28 pm falcon, you sheeped sloonei on ted without reading his case. you’ve voted al_sama for... i don’t know what reason

do you care who dies? it feels like you’re down to kill anyone

Check my ISO, I listed 4 players I'm very happy with lynching today, and my votes have not deviated from this group of 4

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:35 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:32 pm Why is my top town top wagon?

Sorry i fell asleep earlier

because you’ve refused to elaborate on your read

For me he is mech cleared

I don't want to claim why though

i asked you if you had mech on him and you said no

is this a hard claim?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:36 pm michelle what’s the nature of this mech? you should elaborate

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:38 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:37 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:36 pm michelle what’s the nature of this mech? you should elaborate

Srop role fishing

no

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:38 pm alright, well you should have said this earlier when i asked because it obvious you had information

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:41 pm why would you wait until 20 minutes before the deadline before outing that you have mechanical information that suggests ted is a villager?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:41 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:38 pm alright, well you should have said this earlier when i asked because it obvious you had information

If you are villager you are surprisingly not interested in playing safe

i asked you and you told me no. i don’t know what i’m supposed to do with that. it’s your responsibility to make your info clear. i didn’t vote ted though

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:42 pm i am extremely skeptical about the authenticity of michelle's claim, regardless of her alignment. i will consider moving my vote off of ted regardless

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:45 pm y'all should CFD onto nanook with me, IMO

I would but he said he can claim to clear himself. No reason to force that when Tony and Al are options

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:49 pm i genuinely thought i was crazy for being the only one who realized michelle had a peek on ted

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:50 pm Michelle, thoughts on al?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:56 pmthis is fine.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:02 pm this is now twice that al is the cw and doesn’t go over. this means something maybe

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:03 pm and you think a host would make all troopers town like in the show?

really? and allow currently 2 of them to claim as well?

no shot

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:16 pm so if ted is a villager we had v/v wagons in ted/tony for almost the entire day

that’s not ideal

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:22 pmnight night

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:42 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:00 pm why is fingersplints a suspect? i don’t understand that. her posts seem completely fine to me

Just glancing at the thread after getting in from work. Have not read anything.

Fingersplints is in the “Not a townread” mold rather than the “scum read” mold.

why isn’t she a town read?

Her style has not leant itself to being overtly anything. She’s been active enough to avoid being a low poster, but has not done anything that has rocked the boat in any way either.