The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm Tonally, as vibe and as wording, JJJ doesn't sound wolfy. I can't find a reason to vote him Jack, none at all.

Then go beyond time and wording because the man lead a lynch on a townie and is purposely throwing out nothing reads because he’s in antispew.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm Tonally, as vibe and as wording, JJJ doesn't sound wolfy. I can't find a reason to vote him Jack, none at all.

Then go beyond time and wording because the man lead a lynch on a townie and is purposely throwing out nothing reads because he’s in antispew.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

I honestly think it’s Juliets.

If she met with Dom, she should have enough mechanical knowledge to vote Jay.

I at mentioned her at least three times asking her to vote Jay. She said she trusted everyone on the Jay wagon and in the end? She blamed her vote on Tony.

Like Jay and Sloonei, she refused to even consider voting Mac.

Mac’s team has a safeclaim via the janitor. Telling Dom “her role” doesn’t clear her of being on the team she absolutely refuses to vote for.

Jay defended the fuck out of her as well.

The only thing stopping me from locking her as scum is that I haven’t paid enough attention to Michelle or Ted to stop suspecting them.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:06 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm I am too tired but I need to do this:

Michelle I am the only confirmed villa for myself

Sloonei and JJJ both as hard workers can be both villas with Jack who is peeked green except he is the mafia role who gives that peek.

Juliets was Ate-ing and not much more unfortunately.

Ted if I am alive next day maybe we can work more.

Epi doesn't feel like the lazy Epi who gave me towny vibes in the last game. He is not very active, he is not quite lazy, he wants to survive, to blend. I would lynch him.

Speed plays convinced. I like his posts. Can he post like this as scum?

GMan self voted

Tranq.. Where on Mafia Earth can someone who has this Iso be TR and the lynch can be on a player like JJJ??

Tony. idk.

I don't remember AtEing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:04 pm How many low hanging fruit lynches does Jay have to lead and how many wolves do I have to lynch before whoever among @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr is town starts listening to me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:44 pm This is so stupid.

I’m never going to convince Jay to admit he’s a wolf and he’s never going to convince me he’s town.

Which is again why the townies in @tedxtr and @Michelle and @juliets need to come around to my way of thinking on Jay.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:11 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Epi doesn't feel like the lazy Epi who gave me towny vibes in the last game. He is not very active, he is not quite lazy, he wants to survive, to blend. I would lynch him.

"Lazy."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:21 pm @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr

Like look at the things Jay says and ask yourself

"Is this a player who is getting fooled left and right and is about to lose the game after his teammate basically gave the whole team the middle finger or is this a player that is trying to push the next mislynch/antispew?"

Because I'm seeing Juliets being upset. I'm seeing Michelle being upset. I'm seeing Speed being upset. Maybe those things are faked but Jay's throwing out smiley emojis and giving life advice like everything's going according to plan. Cause it is. Cause he's a wolf and he can't help it.

I don't know how to be any more convincing than this. It's right in front of your faces. Probably two of you have alignment reasons to not listen but the other two of you ought to.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pmJay won by saying 'please don't lynch me I don't wanna lose.'

Hey now, my pleas were more sophisticated than that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:14 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:10 pm Jay putting my name in orange and working with a fake Poe is a bad thing. He is not teamworking with any villager, he is dictating reads. It would be sad to be a villager with this kind of behaviour.

You may not be mafia Michelle. I dunno. I just have to identify a Master team of three in a limited field. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not in there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:23 pm When I just flat as myself "do I believe it's reasonably likely this players is mafia?"

Epi - yes
Jack - no
juliets - no
Michelle - yes
Sloonei - yes
speedchuck - no
tedxtr - yes
TonyStarkPrime - yes
Tranq - yes

3 of those 6 yes names are probably Masters, and it's not easy to indicate which ones. There are avenues to explore compatibility within that field, and I figure I'll give it a shot assuming I'm left alive here. I don't know if it will matter in the end given that I appear to be a walking corpse, but you never know. Maybe the game will somehow still be winnable given two-team dynamics.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:16 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pmJay won by saying 'please don't lynch me I don't wanna lose.'

Hey now, my pleas were more sophisticated than that.

Since you recognise this, it's obvious they were fake pleas

I was referring to a different game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:26 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:14 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:10 pm Jay putting my name in orange and working with a fake Poe is a bad thing. He is not teamworking with any villager, he is dictating reads. It would be sad to be a villager with this kind of behaviour.

You may not be mafia Michelle. I dunno. I just have to identify a Master team of three in a limited field. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not in there.

Just don't. I may not be? Why not? Why "may"?
Why couldn't you notice that with accusing me I am the 4th villager you want killed? A villager can't do this.
After I asked you to self press you should know I didn't do this with ill intention and as mafia. My play was villagery in an obvious way. Still, you Poe me. You have no choice but to Poe me because you need to.
Gosh you got me mad -_-

If you're telling me that I should see a clear civilian in you, I do not. I do think you look authentic, and your hunt has been valuable. Still, the only thing I can absolutely say about you is that you're not the Anti-Monitor.

If you're a civilian then you'll understand where I'm coming from when the game is over. I know something very important that no other civilians know right now -- that I am not on the Master team. That means my attempts to solve the game are going to look different, and they are going to be challenged by the circumstances. Whoever those three are, they've done a great job. It's going to be difficult to identify them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:27 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:25 pm You and your avenues man..
tell me how you changed your speed read.

My "avenues". Hell, that speed read is a good indicator that I am really trying here. He's not going to feel any better about me for that. He's not going to be "pocketed". I can't worry about that. I can only provide the best reads that I have been able to make at present.

speedchuck is unlikely to be a mafioso because it would fly in the face of one of his core standards about how the game should be played. His outburst last night is not his mafia style. It's the dead opposite.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:30 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:28 am Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

Forget Sloonei.

Why do you trust Jay?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:30 pm I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:45 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:30 pm I see you're saying Speed gave you his towntell.
I reffuse to believe you think I am mafia.

This is where interpretations are so critical. This has happened so many times in this game, and it is just so incredibly frustrating.

I don't "think you are mafia". I think you're one of the candidates remaining would could be. If you don't think so, well that's utterly meaningless to me. I don't know the answers and have to do the best I can. Is there something about your play so far that you feel should make you a clear civilian read? I will listen if you answer me.

Yes it is. My playstyle as mafia is at this moment different as night and day from my town play. I am such bad at wolfing that I won that game here because no one knew my town play.
You could think at the game where your wrong poe gave the game to wolves. If you are villager i am dissapointed.

I am not that well-versed in the ways that you play. We haven't really played in very many games together, and frankly I don't remember you being mafia. It may have happened somewhere, but I don't remember it.

And there it is again. My "wrong POE gave the game to the wolves" in a game where I was mislynched. It's all my fault.

I am held to a standard like no other. I always have been. It's okay, I ask for it given the way I played for so long. Zen Jay tried to change the dynamic a bit, but he has yet to make through a full game in tact. People will have to know better eventually.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:47 pm I’m gonna pretend that a wolf gets arrowed tonight and everyone starts listening to me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:26 am A part of me thinks Sloonei is town because it's so blatant if he's not and he fought me on TH the same way and it was frustrating the same way.

It's Jay. I know it's Jay. I don't know who else it is.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:38 am Eureka!

I've been thinking Juliets is town.

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This is counteracted if I assume Sloonei is town. Fuck I don't know what to do with this guy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:24 pm If the POE insists that I must be bad then the POE is wrong.

Could be. I sort of expected you to yell at me, at least with your Sloonei voice, about that out-of-nowhere read. So I'm probably right

I am yelling. Look how angry I am.

I don't see it as out-of-nowhere. I've been forced to reconsider my read on you. It makes sense to reconsider me as well. The POE is wrong if it includes me, and you may be fully aware of that. Walk me through why speedchuck can't be bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:19 am For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:57 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:16 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:19 am For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

Is like he wanted to avoid a TMI accusation.

Could be. He had an advantage over the rest of you non-Masters in knowing I'm innocent, so TMI would have applied.

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:43 am Anti-Monitor:
speedchuck

Master:
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

@JaggedJimmyJay out of ted and speed, who's your best guess to be the Anti-Monitor?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:27 am Unfortunately Jack can't drop in since the hosts canceled the ghost mechanic. I'm sure he would read me as a civilian if he could.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:09 am Opining tomorrow. Data now:

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets


Day 4 Limbo Poll
???? (Sig, Tranq, Tony)

Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:07 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:28 am Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:21 pm @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr

Like look at the things Jay says and ask yourself

"Is this a player who is getting fooled left and right and is about to lose the game after his teammate basically gave the whole team the middle finger or is this a player that is trying to push the next mislynch/antispew?"

Because I'm seeing Juliets being upset. I'm seeing Michelle being upset. I'm seeing Speed being upset. Maybe those things are faked but Jay's throwing out smiley emojis and giving life advice like everything's going according to plan. Cause it is. Cause he's a wolf and he can't help it.

I don't know how to be any more convincing than this. It's right in front of your faces. Probably two of you have alignment reasons to not listen but the other two of you ought to.

I am thinking at the 3 townies who litteraly gave up and the last one threw the game for a reason I don't understand.
I can't see a good part in JJJ now. Not at all.

All that he says is fitting a wolf profile from what i learned from my mentor. It's interesting how Jack used similar words without knowing this.

Jay putting my name in orange and working with a fake Poe is a bad thing. He is not teamworking with any villager, he is dictating reads. It would be sad to be a villager with this kind of behaviour.

Whoa nellie that's a quick change of heart.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:18 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:08 pmi think he should remember me.

I don't. Sorry pal. I have a vague idea of what your posts look like when you play, but I couldn't describe your meta with any specificity or precision. You've a way of blending by nature, and there honestly may be language barrier involved.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:59 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

Just this? Can't be there another thing to spot after so many days of playing?

Give me any argument for anyone being the AM.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm Is anybody even here to talk?

You've made this comment 20 times. You don't need people to chat. There's a huge thread right here.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:22 pm

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OooOOoOoOooooOooOOOOooo FEEL MY GHOSTLY WRATH! oOOoOOoOoOOOOOoooOoo

Hi. Let's be strategic here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:45 pm And the reason to vote Sig over Mac is like...to show moral support for ghost Dizzy or because Mac is your teammate or whatever.

No, sir. You and @@TonyStarkPrime are both incorrect. First of all your game theory analysis doesn't work. But never mind that right now, because that isn't that relevant.

***Here's a better reason to lynch Sig first:

It's the Anti-monitor's turn to NK this night. Sig is 100 % an Anti-monitor according to Dizzy ghostly godness. So that will leave only one person left alone on that team. This in turns mean we can isolate that player for the rest of the game with blocking and jailkeeping. Which mean we will have no mafia kills on odd nights. We don't even have to lynch them before lynching the other team.

This way the other team will not inherit the kill, and we can start already today to block or prevent the lone killer to take action.

Therefore:
- Get rid of the 3rd person on the Anti-Monitor team. (Sig)
- Block or jail suspects for the 4th person. (Ted I guess.) You could even plan that whoever is jailkeeper jails Ted, and whoever is JAOT blocks someone else.
- Get a NK free odd night for the rest of the game, plus confirmation of who the last member is.

FUFUFUFUFUFUFU, I just looked at the roles. And if Sig is not the Anti-monitor then this will not actually work, because that role's kills can't be protected against. I don't know the specific mechanics, but it's at least 50 % chance that this works. And the rewards are great.

***Info dump is not allowed. But I assume here that planning an action together (without knowing who will do it) is not prohibited. @Long Con

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Tony,

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you don't seem to have read my post very well or be very interested. That is fine. You do you. But I believe in my case as I believed in Radish, Sabie and as I believed in you the last game we played. *hair flip*

Mac could flip mafia, independent or town with kill protect. This will all incriminate Sig. He's likely mafia or independent imo.
Sig will flip mafia, as his interaction with Radish/Sabie is oof and his reaction to my case is to try and sell it in as both a role/prize info (on N1 mind you) and as a totally random Sig idea.

None of the flips depend more or less on each other. Mac flipping town will not make Sig look good. He still wrote the things that he did. He still has the interactions he has. It's more of a call between who you think are more likely to flip scum (which is both tbh), but also that flipping a third teammate on the Radish/Sabie team now will give us the possibility to prevent a night kill every odd night starting this night. This is hugely helpful.

I still think Tony is more likely town oOOoOOooooo

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 am I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

You are making the same mistake as Radish. This posturing of confidence makes you look so guilty. You are a prime next target.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 amSig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

But how did Sig know that Mac was the NK target in the first place?
SVS presented that there were numerous ways that whoever was targeted did not die.
Sig only considered that there were ways Mac specifically would have avoided to die.

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@nutella , @Epignosis I don't know if you remember the game we were final 4 with Scotty as scum. I insisted that he had a mindslip that could only come from scum, and he didn't understand the accusation of all. A lot of the time scum won't understand what about their mindset that is inherently scummy and insist that they didn't slip. I think this is happening here.

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Ultimately - I'm dead. It's your responsibility. But I think the potential rewards of lynching Sig and being able to block one of the NKs is very high. I realize it doesn't necessarily work depending on Sig's specific role, but I do think it's worth a try. I think the mindset that either Sig's or Mac's scumminess is dependent on each other's flip is flawed. One scum flip will mean almost 100 % the other is scum. But a potential town flip will not exonerate either.

However, if you all are more sure that Mac is scum then go ahead, I guess. I don't think Mac is town either.

We're not in a bad position, but I think we should make the most of it anyway. It's very difficult to win a multiball game for town. We are doing well, but we need all tools at our disposal. So my vote is to vote Sig first. /however many cents.

Anyhow, good luck. And I will probably write more reads and stuff next phase. I just felt it was important to point out Sig's scummery.

I can't respond more today after this. Good luck and go town!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:46 pm

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OOooooOOooooOooOoOoooo HEAR MY GHOST THROUGHTS oooOOooOoOOOOOOooooooOO

Here's a plead you MUST READ

Please, please, please listen to me and take my post seriously. My credentials are as follows:
- Nanook 1.0 as top town read on D1 = confirmed.
- Radish and Sabie as connected teammates before any of the flipped = confirmed.
- I do not actually suck at this game.

I don't know why scum would want to Janitor me. Obviously I didn't kill myself and obviously I'm not with Radish/sabie and obviously I'm town. My role stays hidden, but that doesn't matter much. Good riddance to the Janitor kill. I 100% expected to be killed btw. What a predictable scum team.

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1. Sig is 100% on the Radish/Sabie team and he actually SCUM SLIPPED.

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Remember when I said Sabie was 100% on the Radish team because duh, and she flipped as such?
Here's why Sig is on the same team (apart from what's already been brought up by Sloonei and others (good job!)):

- Sig reveals that his team tried to kill Mac on N1, but that the kill didn't go through.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:09 pm Also food for thought that I'm workshoping:

N1 there was no kill and Sprityo/Dom started to pursue Mac more heavily. Now there were a few things floating around about that, but given some of the voters on his wagon and how Sabie flipped I think Team 1 tried to kill Mac and it didn't work since he has the one night kill protection. Which led to a push from some of the players on his wagon to flip him to gain civ credit.

The great thing here is that so many people on Radish's wagon had teammate compatibility with both Sabie/Radish.

So we flip Mac and he's mafia, next lynch is Sprityo who's one of the surviving Anti-Moniters and from there it's just the matter of finding the last one of them and then analyzing how people voted to save Mac. Given the last minute swing to stop Mac from being lynched I think his team moved and pushed him over so we'd wanna look at late voters to the Radish wagon. Which adds to my suspicion of Mac.

Sig is talking about his own team here because:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm There is a civ that can't be nked and two protection roles, Aja and Lassie.

Yea, but I doubt they'd have targeted Mac.

I did think about the civ role, a fair amount. However, I think it's much more likely he's mafia.

Also to Epi, I do plan to finish my case, this phase just caught me at a bad time.

Alternatively to Mac,

I'd say Sprityo is a good lynch followed by an inactive/semi active role. Think a lurker who isn't doing much.

linki: Your back and forth with Dom yesterday, various other posts, your small dick comments, and your entire tone when discussing you.

Here's the actual slip, guys!

When SVS suggests that the no kill on N1 may have been for many reasons, Sig answers with the knowledge that Mac was the actual kill target.

Read it. Sig says he doubts the protective role would target Mac (so that couldn't be the reason why the kill failed.) And then Sig says that he considered that Mac could be the civ role, but that he thinks that Mac is just much more likely mafia (again revealing that Mac was targeted for a NK.)

Digest this.
Again, Sig reveals that he KNOWS THAT MAC WAS THE TARGET FOR THE KILL.

The only explanation is that Sig KNOWS that Mac was targeted for a NK. He would only know that if he was the one targeting him for a NK. This is why Sig is tunnelling Mac, with extra knowledge.

Sig is scum with Radish and Sabie.
Sig not being mentioned (except once) in Sabie's ISO is just icing on the cake. Same with Sig being hedgy about Radish on D1.

2. Mac is probably scum as well

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Mac is reacting in pure self pres and no interest in finding scum. Sig's tunnelling of Mac supports Mac being scum.
I have one example:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:54 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:53 pm Other than Dyslexicon dying, that was a good night post. I hope my idiocy didn’t help put a target on your back.

I’m not following the team compatibility here, and I need to try to go back and find some of it. Is it being suggested that when it was Mac vs Radish that it was trains on two people from the same team?

TMI on Dyslexicon as town.

This is a terrible deflection onto G-Man. Mac himself said I was the towniest person in the fucking game. Why shade G-Man for assuming the same? It's very obvious that I have a town role. This is bad bad bad deflection on a low hanging fruit like G-Man.

3. G-Man is actually town, and here's why.

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His posting is not scum, the way he went after me, reconsidered and talks to me after I flip is not scum. I'm a little bit surprised and suspicious that some people has not picked up on this yet. Especially Jimmay I feel should be aware that G-Man is town. (Jimmay: Why? Me: Because I feel like you ignored important points that shows that G-Man is town.) @tedxtr

SVS looks good for sticking up for G-Man imo. Probably. Maybe some other people look good for it too.

I'm pretty sure that my read is right. He could even be a good protection candidate. I know some people have said G-Man looks like a Radish/Sabie teammate, but Sig is their teammate, and then somebody else. Bank it.

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4. Why you should definitely lynch Sig/Some genuine advice for the last Anti-Monitor Scum Team member.

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I believe we should get rid of Sig first because he is absolutely scum. This is where we have the leads.

If someone on the other scum team dies, THEN we can go after the other scum team. If we for example get a confirmation that Mac is scum, then it will be easier to hunt down Mac's teammates, and we can leave the last Anti-Monitor member alone for a bit.

But it should be the Anti-Monitor team's responsibility to blow the game open. Smoke out Radish/Sabie/Sig and the last person until we have an actual confirmed lead on the other team.

And to the Anti-Monitor team: You will definitely lose unless you blow the game open and go for the other team here with your NK.
If you NK town next night I'll say you're about 2% to win, the other scum team is about 50% to win and town 48% to win.
If you NK one of the other team you're about maybe 20 % to win (because town will hunt the other team which is more pressing, which is much better) and the other team is about 30 % to win and town about 50 % to win.

I know this is a lot, but please someone read it and take this further. I can't respond much to all questions and comments. I hope I explained this well. I will post later with more reads and thoughts on who I think the last Radish/Sabie/Sig teammate is. I need to go through some ISO's first.

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Short version:
- Sig scum slipped and should be lynched.
- Mac is very likely on the opposite mafia team than Sig, but it's not confirmed.
- We should go after the Anti-Monitor team until we have a confirmed flip on the other side. Smoke them out.

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:03 pm

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OOooooOooOOoooOoo GHOST DIZZY oOOOOoooOOOOOOOoooooOO SO GHOSTLY ooooOOoOoooOOOO

This turned out to be more of a process post. I noticed I have more time. The next and only other post I'll post this phase will be a more thorough analysis, and I'll pick out my top pick for Anti-monitor and the rest of Mac's team.

I'm pretty good at interaction analysis. /Ref please just sheep Dizzy when I say someone is 100% scum.

Allow me just a moment of complaining. You have no idea how hard it is to watch this game and not being able to participate as normal. You have no idea how much I want to scream at some of you. That sinking feeling when the oracle reveal is the confirmed scum Sig.

But I'll try to stay positive.
Sig being Architect is valuable because it means that we shall definitely not kill or lynch Sig before the Anti-Monitor is dead.

Because if we kill the Anti-Monitor, we have confirmed scum Sig that we can block or jail or mess with as long as possible on odd nights.
This would be a great time to lynch the anti-monitor.

Another thing. It seems obvious that Sig made this whole Inception thing happen, since he's the Architect. He took himself out of the lynch pool, but his teammate is still probably in this lynch pool, or else the power seems broken. /cents. I didn't play Inception.

I'll come back to the Mac team. But I think Jay is a prime suspect there. He's ended up on Mac's side the whole game.
Juliets is certainly on my list as well here. She's exhibiting the "I'm so tired and I'm so confused and I can't be held accountable for what I say, but I'm trying"-scum tell. It's a thing. Trust.

Rip SVS. I feel a bit bad for hounding you all game, but it was done from love. <3 Rip Nutella 2.0 who was obv-town. <3[/dead]

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Ted

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I was about to yell at Ted for him being the last member of the rabies team. But when I looked back to his early interaction he was way early with calling Sig firm town. That doesn't really fit good with a teammate interaction.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm There’s just something illogical that doesn’t sit right with me. If there’s the slightest chance sig is a town, why are you voting for him instead of basically outed wolf Mac no matter sig’s alignment? If it’s so clear to you that he TMI’d Mac, why wouldn’t you ask yourself “is this a wolf tming or a town tming” and vote for him instead of Mac?

This is bad though. Cause you write as if Mac should've been confirmed scum for some reason, but he wasn't. He only was that for Sig and whoever is on his team so...
For me, Sig was even more confirmed scum than Mac was (though both of them being scum was like 95 %)

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Turnip

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:34 amI argue that no one would have given radishes a second glance without my input. I was low-key but instrumental.

Like I've never been anything other than a ghost rip.

I've been considering TH with Radish and sabie for a while. Though I think this is less likely. To be fair Turnip's very first post of content was to call out Radish as scum. I think that is earnest. But TH, why for the love of Radishes did you think sabie was town though? I will never be able to understand that if you are town here.

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Sprit's ISO is terrible, horrendous and the worst.

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sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:38 pmG-Man red
MacDougall red
Master Radishes red
sig red

Radish and Sig in the red GTH reads without talking about them or going after them at all. Especially weird since Sig was town read my many. I'm thinking it's kind of likely he's Anti-monitor. At the same time though, someone should ctrl+F sprit in Sig's ISO and tell me what they think. @Sloonei ?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:12 amIf anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:16 amAnd I’ll be damned if I let myself be an easy lynch target.

Lol this.
What changed, my friend? Or were you just not being genuine at all the first time around?

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Tony and Dom are likely town. But they are not always listening very well... Listen to my ghost voice oooOOOooOOoOOOo
I'm not particularly excited about a TH lynch. I don't think that is good.

Nanook is probably 3p at this point. He does absolutely nothing. Just hangs out and defends people. If he's town he should start to actually do something for town. *smacks Nanook in the face with a cod*

I'll take a look on Speed as well. And Jack. So many.

I think @TonyStarkPrime and someone mentioned that Mac's team would be on Sig and Sig's team would be on Mac, but I think that is a very flawed way of thinking about it. Both Sig and Mac was as good as doomed. I see especially no reason why Mac's team wouldn't also argue for his lynch. He used his janitor kill on me for no good reason. They all must've known his time was up.

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If any of this sparks thoughts, please @ me. I'll be here helping to figure this out. What I would give for a res or an eternal ghost voice. But rip. I only have two more posts. But I'll make them count. Next one will be more conclusive.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:01 pm OoooOOOooOOooOoOO GHOST oOOOOoOOOOoooOOooooo

I went through ISOs, but honestly I think I became blind in the process.

The two likeliest for anti-monitor is still Sprit and Ted.

Ted:

- Has no progression on Radish, but votes him D1.
- Weird arch nemesis interaction with Sabie N2 (??)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:39 amFrom what I understood, his suspicion came from a place of him believing mac targeted him along with sprit's sudden push on him, which he called sprit scum for, which I can follow through. Sprit's vote and push is completely nonsensical unless he has TMI and I don't see anything scummy about connecting the dots that way?

This post is a problem. Why is it logical to call Sprit scum for TMI, but then it's also logical to call Sig town for the same thing?
I have big trouble seeing this mindset.

Like, you're basically saying that it makes sense for Sig to accuse Sprit of the exact same thing I accused Sig of. "Sig thinks Sprit has TMI of Mac being scum and calls Sprit scum for it. That makes sense." But somehow, in the case of Sig who's word by word showing actual TMI, that's just being interpreted as town for Sig.

So explain that please.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm There’s just something illogical that doesn’t sit right with me. If there’s the slightest chance sig is a town, why are you voting for him instead of basically outed wolf Mac no matter sig’s alignment? If it’s so clear to you that he TMI’d Mac, why wouldn’t you ask yourself “is this a wolf tming or a town tming” and vote for him instead of Mac?

This is also confusing. How was Mac outed scum? He was no more outed scum than Sig. Confusing. Was he outed for you? And when did you start to suspect Mac? Cause you town read him earlier in the game.

-One thing that makes Ted not anti-monitor though, is his insistence that Sig's theory of Mac being Saitama-guy was ill informed and bad. He insisted that Mac was definitely not on that team.

There's some bravado about being on Sabie that feels off. Also the dip in activity around the Sig accusation. I don't know.

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Sprit:

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:25 pm Obviously the dead know nothing and should shut the hell up

Go be done with the game and wait for town to win like a normal person

No. I'm not going to shut up. I'm still in the game per the ghost mechanics. I literally gave you all a Sig is 100% scum and tried to shoot Mac and that's why Sig assumes Mac is scum. Why are you so angry about that if you're town?

This really just looks like salt about town doing good right now. Why the "wait for town to win" - what town would be so confident and sure about this, and have such a salty tone about it?

I'm really asking everyone here. This does not look like town to me at all. It looks like salty scum having lost their team. And after this it's like "I wouldn't mind being the lynch" and moments later "I'll be damned if I'm lynched". I just really don't get the a town vibe from this attitude.

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-Michelle honestly have some pretty awkward Radish-team interaction as well. But she's not on the poll.

-I ISOed Turnip a bit, but I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of him being scum anymore. Could happen i guess.

-I don't see why Jack would drop the Nut case if teamed with competing D1 wagon Radish tbh. Unless he tried to push the wagon to someone else, but I don't remember.

-I have no fucking clue about Nanook. Most of his posts are defending himself or threading water. I don't see him making actual reads or pushes.

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Jay and Juliets are my biggest suspects for teamed with Mac.
I think all of Dom, G-Man, Tony and Epi looks town. Tranq honestly probs town, but I'll never understand hyper lurking.

I don't have a 100% now. =( Good luck, guys.