The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:06 am My reads are pretty in flux at this point. I feel quite good about Epignosis, Dom, Long Con, and TSP. I think Mac and nova generally look fine. I think Dragomir looks good, but he also feels like a potential blind spot. I think Fayt looks bad, but she also feels like a potential blind spot. Michelle, nutella, and speedchuck are swing reads. sprityo is nothing and thus bad.

If I were to draw up a POE of 4 (I think we're allowed more at this stage) right this moment, it'd be the last four names there.

i think you choose the easiest mislynches and added Nutella because she has such a cool name. Taking apart the players you don't like is not necessary a winning receipe.
We have just 2 wolves left. Shrink your Poe

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 pm I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.
I can pls has feedback? I can pls has hole in logic?

The part with Long Con acting civillian-like. I don't see it.
I am listening if you can proove it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:49 pm How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?
I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.

If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:11 pm I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.

You don't need a lot of energy for that. You need just a villagery sparkle.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:29 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:49 pm How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?
I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.
If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?
Using Process of Elimination is just one of many methods of playing this game. It's not my method.

If one is an idiot for being unable to tell who's mafia and who's villager with every vote, then I guess we're all idiots. Right? I don't get why you would be so hard on yourself for being unable to easily put me in a category.

I have to find out asap if my vote is on mafia or town. I need to know. I hate to mislynch a fellow townie.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:31 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:11 pm I don't think I tend to put a lot of energy into *seeming* Civilian.
You don't need a lot of energy for that. You need just a villagery sparkle.
Yeah, but I'm too belligerent. I ain't dancing.

Let's ask the dictionary:

belligerent

/bəˈlɪdʒ(ə)r(ə)nt/

adjective

hostile and aggressive.

You are not belligerent.You are anti-belligerent.
Learn dance tbh. It brings joy in life.

What do you think about the current wagons?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:38 pm Ok, well, you can: a) take my word for it. This solution is the most expedient, in keeping with your "ASAP" desire... or b) keep voting me until enough votes come in to ensure my lynch. This solution will leave you with no more doubts, but carries very unfortunate consequences.

c) if you're a rolechecker type, check me! This solution fails if you are not one of those.

yeah. i get it. Let me think.

How much time to Eod?

I think i need to sleep at least one hour. My vote stays for now.
If i can't come back for Eod Long Con is my morning town read but in tryed to understand his alignament by logic. Logic says he's mafia, instinct says he's town.
That's why i wanted an asap resolve

Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?
His energy is great and has been that way since D0. Looks like he doesn't care how he's perceived, and he's playing the game his own way and at his own pace. It feels genuine. The Drago early scum read he had reminds me of a no u in World of Flags game where I suspected him and took offense to it lol. Also I like how it's been consistent, like he has a lingering suspicion of Drago yet he's not basing his game around it and has a lot of stuff going on. That's the kind of good consistency. His D2 is in the same vein, feels like he's handling the casing against him well and he doesn't care in a good way, not like discrediting, while he's also pushing his own thoughts with his JJJ suspicion.

Rej's handling of him reflects well. It doesn't make sense for Rej to vote him and the push he made EoD with LC's wagon materializing if they're teammate seeing Rej's role, especially after he didn't vote Dragomir who was a closer wagon most of the time and was actually a suspicion of his. The gamble Rej's mention when going for LC give me TMI vibes. Same goes for LC's handling of Rej, using your post about Rej to clear him then going after him is hilarious lol.

you like him for what i dislile him. For me nothing can't be faked by scum. He is indeed solid and not shady.
But if he is town why would he suggest a check?
I saw in that idea 2 things: one, a subtile role fishing without the idea of a waste of a peek on a lock townie and two, the biggest cat has godfather answer at check so he can say come and check me and i am green anyway.
Relaxed yes, townish no.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:46 pm Hmm the existence of godfather does make that a little sketch. But if he was godfather would he really be that overt, or is it more likely he's just a townie who wasn't really thinking about that issue?

He admited a similar play as either alignament isn't it?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:50 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:43 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm Nova, why is Long Con a doggo?
His energy is great and has been that way since D0. Looks like he doesn't care how he's perceived, and he's playing the game his own way and at his own pace. It feels genuine. The Drago early scum read he had reminds me of a no u in World of Flags game where I suspected him and took offense to it lol. Also I like how it's been consistent, like he has a lingering suspicion of Drago yet he's not basing his game around it and has a lot of stuff going on. That's the kind of good consistency. His D2 is in the same vein, feels like he's handling the casing against him well and he doesn't care in a good way, not like discrediting, while he's also pushing his own thoughts with his JJJ suspicion.

Rej's handling of him reflects well. It doesn't make sense for Rej to vote him and the push he made EoD with LC's wagon materializing if they're teammate seeing Rej's role, especially after he didn't vote Dragomir who was a closer wagon most of the time and was actually a suspicion of his. The gamble Rej's mention when going for LC give me TMI vibes. Same goes for LC's handling of Rej, using your post about Rej to clear him then going after him is hilarious lol.
you like him for what i dislile him. For me nothing can't be faked by scum. He is indeed solid and not shady.
But if he is town why would he suggest a check?
I saw in that idea 2 things: one, a subtile role fishing without the idea of a waste of a peek on a lock townie and two, the biggest cat has godfather answer at check so he can say come and check me and i am green anyway.
Relaxed yes, townish no.
I read that as someone that wants an interaction to end and stop going into circles. With it being part of set of solution, the other keep pushing and lynching him made me think that. I can get that kind of frustration. But yeah with a GF around, it's interesting. Although it feels too out there.

Is that your main gripe with him?

There is Rej's last post about a nul voter iirc. If understood correct a hidden mechanics could give him the possibility that his vote to be but to not really exist. Idk if i explained well though.
That means Rej's vote on Long Con is just for show.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:54 pm Fayt, did you have a vote on the board before changing the Host/dead/mod?

yes she voted Long Con iirc

JJJ is a fast worker. It would take me much more time to write that post he wrote for interaction between flipped cat and Dragomir. I am envious tbh.

I was sleeping at Eod and now i woke up accidentaly (the open window made me feel the autumn's cold). When i saw in the morning the flip i was very upset because the mislynch was atrocious.
I need to say 'grats to the vig who hit my favourite breed of cats (it's beautiful you have to admit).
Judging from the votes is hard for me to accept that the lynching wagon of yesterday was an action pure civilian so i will consider in my Poe the voters from that wagon and try to figure who's the bad guy there.
Reading Dragomir posts and his unique tunnels i strongly doubt he is mafia in this game.
Mafia needs a larger Poe to have possible milsynches and Drago has a small Poe.
Long Con, if cat, again it gives me pause by lack of agenda. I mean i suspected him but now i feel like a Jackass (https://images.app.goo.gl/puTid5DhyCXuzHrz8)
See you in the morning.
Woof!

JJJ you sure are a fast typer.

I am curious how many cats you'll find until my morning. I am for sure cat in your eyes because this time i have zero interactions with the flipped mafia hence there should be distancing.
No more case for me, here you have it.
*Swags tail
woof!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:06 pm JJJ's mass notifications incoming.

Good game.

is this allowed? from what i knew the dead can't post in the thread. I can't take like it has a value i can't say i didn't see it. Somewhere in my brain it exists.
It is a shade? It is a pat on the shoulder? :/

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:37 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:06 pm JJJ's mass notifications incoming.

Good game.
is this allowed? from what i knew the dead can't post in the thread. I can't take like it has a value i can't say i didn't see it. Somewhere in my brain it exists.
It is a shade? It is a pat on the shoulder? :/
We're lax with the occasional off-topic dead red post by deceased players as long as they are off-topic. This one might be close, but in any event I would encourage you to ignore it to the best of your ability.

i am doing this.
Ftr except i defended Rej so hard why am i in your Poe?

Still reading on previous page btw and still not familiar with players to know metas. The reversed is worse, my scum meta may be here as being my last scum game i was liking every time lately when asked, but my last town games are at MU. Like little less than 20 this summer.

Reminder for myself: hunting just one mafia is the hardest job and sometimes town fails to see themselves.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:49 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:45 am i am doing this.
Ftr except i defended Rej so hard why am i in your Poe?
I don't have a solid reason to call you a civilian. @nutella, you might based on what you said earlier. It'd be a big help.

Generally I think you have been okay by your tone. I don't really even fault you terribly for having defended Rej. It happens. For me process of elimination is more a matter of "who can I most comfortably call a civilian, and who can I not?" than a matter of "who do I most suspect?". I can't comfortably call you a civilian at this point.

I agree but while you put me in the Poe i should be a red read for you while you lean more to a null by the description. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Your Poe is again way too large.
I don't want to let you be, every villager counts and every mislynch is bad. I am one of the barking voices here and is my fault to not be heard yet.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:50 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:29 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:49 pm How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?
I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.
If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?
Using Process of Elimination is just one of many methods of playing this game. It's not my method.

If one is an idiot for being unable to tell who's mafia and who's villager with every vote, then I guess we're all idiots. Right? I don't get why you would be so hard on yourself for being unable to easily put me in a category.
I have to find out asap if my vote is on mafia or town. I need to know. I hate to mislynch a fellow townie.
Why is Michelle so focused on LC? There is no drive present to get everyone else correct. Why just LC?

a flipped wolf counter wagon is very important imo. If it was you i would be concerned about you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:00 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:56 am I agree but while you put me in the Poe i should be a red read for you while you lean more to a null by the description. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Your Poe is again way too large.
I don't want to let you be, every villager counts and every mislynch is bad. I am one of the barking voices here and is my fault to not be heard yet.
How large do you think a POE should be here? I've explained that mine is its specific size because that's the standard calculation given the current numbers.

Not everyone in my POE is a red read. Mac is in it too, and that's because I'm allowed 4 people by the numbers. I don't really think he's a cat. You needn't let me be, ask whatever questions you want.

is like we take this game with different approaches. You teoretise a thing that may be wrong. A Poe should have the players you are convinced they can flip red.
And fyi a good mafia may never be in your Poe like you construct it.
I've played games where a mafia effort was way bigger and townier than from any town in the game. That was a town loss because the Poe thing. Just saying.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:48 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:49 pm How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?
I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.
If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?
This looks phony as hell to me.

what means phony?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:30 pm Michelle gets a downgrade for me.

idrc. I am playing my own game and i noticed you as extremely rude. I never like to policy lynch someone but you are good for rope.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:44 pm @MacDougall I promise it's not me. Should we just go ahead and lynch Jay?
Nah we should just lynch who he says to lynch until it's glaringly obvious he's a cat.

like we have to play for the sake of playing.and enjoy mislynching townie me for eg

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:32 am Assumption 2 is based on a false premise. "Mislynch bait" my doggy ass.

i like the tone here no matter JJJ's alignament she is sassy and i saw scum Nutella sweeter and non confrontational.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:41 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:40 am Tony was never, ever, EVER going to gain momentum as a lynch. That's just the truth, and you knew it. So you nked him. And conveniently tried to make it look good for you. You're a goddamn mastermind, and maybe this could have worked if you had treated his slot a little differently. But as it is, you ended up with a couple holes that I am seeing through despite your panicked facade of confidence.
Dude. I just lynched sprityo. I could have lynched Tony if I wanted to. There is no facade here. There is abject confusion at the reality of the conversation that I am having right now. I am absolutely a dog, and this universe I find myself in is absolutely ridiculous.

you know what the problem is? You just voted for him. You needed town help for the lynch.
The bolded is fake

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:46 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:32 am Assumption 2 is based on a false premise. "Mislynch bait" my doggy ass.
i like the tone here no matter JJJ's alignament she is sassy and i saw scum Nutella sweeter and non confrontational.
nutella is a dog. She's just swirling into an overconfident snowball over something that I am not sure I will ever understand. It happens.

Did you just TMIed Nutella civ?
TMI= too much information

Looking at wagons smh

Is a nonsense to vote for Drago who is doing nothing and i can't think he wants to endgame with this playstyle as the last cat. Epignosis is not so bad per se, he is looking like a wrong villager.

I don't expect from any flipped cat to have wolfish interactions with the godfather because this would take him out like a sore thumb.

I need to reread some things and vote later

What i dislike at JJJ is that he puts me in the Poe without thinking i don't know the old members like TH and if i were to NK someone if i'd be wolf it would be anyone i know between people i already played with. And i would ignore also TSP because he posted so low that i even didn't notice him.
This is an elementary logic and this is not a defense, i am pointing out he needs me in that Poe to support his narrative.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:07 pm I literally drove to my office at 1 AM, yes. I was excited about sharing my experiment, and I am a ridiculous human being.

And i thought except waking up to play at 3 or 4 AM there can't be bigger dedication

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:32 am Assumption 2 is based on a false premise. "Mislynch bait" my doggy ass.
i like the tone here no matter JJJ's alignament she is sassy and i saw scum Nutella sweeter and non confrontational.
nutella = sassy
Epignosis = rude

I don't want to repost that but yes you were rude in a post.
Game related, where is your head at?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:54 pm So Dragomir looks better in light of the Day 2 voting. Michelle looks authentic today, but I still lack a concrete or objective basis to clear her.

Mac never entertained anything I said for a second, so there’s room for opportunism. I don’t feel that way about nutella or Dom right now.

If it’s not Fayt, Michelle and Mac are my next suspects up. If someone I have long trusted is a deep cat, perhaps it’s Long Con. I don’t get it, but plenty of intelligent and talented players have beefed. So those four would probably be my present POE: Fayt, Michelle, Mac, LC.

I am trending up in your Poe?
I was authentic... wow.. Feels like you give a little bone for me and i should swag tail and bark happy.
Who gives a damn on authenticity nowadays? Not JJJ who inserts me in his Poe like he knows everything :/

quote=Dragomir post_id=556347 time=1571504425 user_id=643]
Jay isn't making much sense. Not any actually, but his tone sounds very much like a genuine townie who can't wait to rub it in after they flip town.
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Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

I need an explanation here. You read him town for latest posts but you want to speed lynch him.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:27 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:00 pm Jay isn't making much sense. Not any actually, but his tone sounds very much like a genuine townie who can't wait to rub it in after they flip town.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.
I need an explanation here. You read him town for latest posts but you want to speed lynch him.

ebwop fixed the quote

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:28 pm @Michelle yes, I read him.as town and want to lynch him.

Let's lynch a cat please. At least we should try.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:33 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:28 pm @Michelle yes, I read him.as town and want to lynch him.
Let's lynch a cat please. At least we should try.
This depends on who you're asking. Some ppl think Jay is scum, others like me and Jay think someone else. You sound sure that Jay is not cat. Why is that?

I am not sure about anything. You said you read him towm but you want him lynched. I said i prefere to lynch a cat. Is related to your read.
Is nonsense for a villager to want to lynch a villager.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:38 pm @Michelle you’ve been shoving my nose in doggy poo all day but I see nary a vote. What are you waiting for?

I want to be sure about a scum read. I don't like to mislynch and so i try to figure who's lying.

would the top voted ping me to vote if he is a cat? Is logic even working here?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:45 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:44 pm would the top voted ping me to vote if he is a cat? Is logic even working here?
I lost the thread here, what are you referencing?

JJJ @ ed me to ask when i'll vote. I said i will vote when i will be more sure of my scumread.
And had the thought i posted

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:48 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:54 pm So Dragomir looks better in light of the Day 2 voting. Michelle looks authentic today, but I still lack a concrete or objective basis to clear her.

Mac never entertained anything I said for a second, so there’s room for opportunism. I don’t feel that way about nutella or Dom right now.

If it’s not Fayt, Michelle and Mac are my next suspects up. If someone I have long trusted is a deep cat, perhaps it’s Long Con. I don’t get it, but plenty of intelligent and talented players have beefed. So those four would probably be my present POE: Fayt, Michelle, Mac, LC.
I am trending up in your Poe?
I was authentic... wow.. Feels like you give a little bone for me and i should swag tail and bark happy.
Who gives a damn on authenticity nowadays? Not JJJ who inserts me in his Poe like he knows everything :/
What does this mean?

frustration for his stuborness.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:50 pm Fayt > Dragomir > Michelle > Mac
I shouldn't be here.

I for sure shouldn't be :/
Also Fayt posted something that makes sense idk if i agree with the SR

I want to say that i am phone posting and i have to press twice on submit and that means i am extremely nervous because this is happening at each post and i am loosing time and i catch up too slow. I can't play like this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:53 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:50 pm frustration for his stuborness.
Okay I understand you. So here’s the deal. My POE is going to have four names. It just is. That’s where the numbers are right now.

So if you don’t think you should be one of the four, who should I replace you with?

idk.

I don't make deals

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine here is my head at now.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine here is my head at now.

sorry for double posting -_-

Your 4 Poe names logic is broken and i told you why JJJ

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:03 pm @Michelle your vote for JJJ hurts the "tied vote" plan, which is a good one.

i can't say i understood the plan but if needed i can switch accordigly to the town consensus

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:06 pmIf y’all want to coordinate a tie, I think Fayt should be the other name.
Agreed.

where is your vote?

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