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Who?Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:33 pmHigh posters in general. Y'all are so nit-picky. Relax. I basically put people in order of who I trust most to who I trust least.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pmElohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:14 pm I kind of agree with epi on voting a low poster. Other than my suspicion of LC and my slight suspicion of nutella (half the time her posts crack me up and half the time I'm hinking wtf), I do think that the high posters seem to be civ and genuinely trying to help.Dom is the only low poster singled out as a clear suspect. The others are all nondescriptly placed in yellow. And then the claim that "the high posters seem to be civ" is somewhat contradicted by Quin and I being colored orange, and kyle being listed among the neutrals as well. You think this computes over here?
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Eloh, why are you reading Lasagne so highly?
Wilgy likes the shake things up but I don't think this is so different from previous experiences with him. What is it about his playstyle this time around that's confusing you?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 pm Wilgy is highly unpredictable. Don't apply normal rules of logic. Wilgy is almost as unpredictable as Vompatti. Almost. Nothing is unlikely for Wilgy, everything is fair game. I'm just unsure what to do with this version of Wilgy...
Okay. I'll get off your back until you're feeling better. Where should my vote go now?Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:09 pmBecause theor posts don't feel very trustworthy.
I'm actually not having a jolly ol time. I'm sick. I still have work this week...which is good with Christmas coming, but I have a cold, so not fun. Every time I read a page even when caught up, there is another page to read. And when I go to sleep, I wake up like 10 pages behind. I cannot think straight 'cause I'm sick. Went to the store to get meds and left my phone, that's how much I can't think straight. Sloon is being nit picky with me. I think he expects more from me than I can intellectually give. I'm not an intellectual like so many of you here. I play for fun and to try to keep my mind as sharp as possible as I age. Did I mention I'm sick and feel like crap. My meds didn't even seem to help.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.
I'm trying to guve enough effort so y'all don't suspect me. But I am usually lynched pretty early in games because I'm suspected. When I flip civ, people are confused. When I flip baddie they are all self congratulatory. Because no matter what my role, I'm always suspected by a few players early on. Y'all just need to leave me alone and go find a baddie.
NO TIME FOR THIS IVE GOT A SELF IMPOSED DEADLINE TO MEET AND I'M BEHIND SCHEDULEJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:42 pmI would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pmIVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAYJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pmGiven that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?
She said I'm contributing mostly nonsense, but on Sloonei (and also me) she put it down to gut.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei
Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.
Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.
Look, I'll tell you exactly what I told nutella when she said basically the same thing:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:43 amThat's a rather harsh assertion. I don't know what makes the content from either of you "nonsense" as compared to any other randomly selected player.
Because I've fleshed out my read on you significantly better than I have of sprityo. I'm scum-reading you. I don't hate a sprityo lynch.
Namely, your lack of Epi pressure vote and further explanation and your lackluster presence in the thread since you've been on the hot seat, prior to about 20 minutes ago.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 amokay, but what is this scum read you allude to? i want details and stuff.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 amBecause I've fleshed out my read on you significantly better than I have of sprityo. I'm scum-reading you. I don't hate a sprityo lynch.
Yeah, and I still don't like it. I don't think my question was so cryptic that you'd misunderstand it like you did.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:40 amWe've been over why I never pressured Epi and the reason my response was not to your liking; I didn't know what you were asking me. Hence my "Huh?" response.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 amNamely, your lack of Epi pressure vote and further explanation and your lackluster presence in the thread since you've been on the hot seat, prior to about 20 minutes ago.
I've been at work all night. You could call my boss if you have a problem with that.
That timing is important, Sloonei. I feel like you should know that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:46 amWell I was the one being asked it and i misunderstood. Sorry that happened. I don't see why this is a point that should be held against me. It took an extra 5 minutes to get the desired answer out of me.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:45 amYeah, and I still don't like it. I don't think my question was so cryptic that you'd misunderstand it like you did.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:40 amWe've been over why I never pressured Epi and the reason my response was not to your liking; I didn't know what you were asking me. Hence my "Huh?" response.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 amNamely, your lack of Epi pressure vote and further explanation and your lackluster presence in the thread since you've been on the hot seat, prior to about 20 minutes ago.
I've been at work all night. You could call my boss if you have a problem with that.
I believe in you.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:03 amI'm on the edge of my seat over here.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:01 am Interested to see this flip, I'm like 50/50 that Jack and Sloons are w/w![]()
I have an img for that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:15 am If I read ten pages and the only arguments for my lynch are "gut" and LC's slip silliness, Imma flip this table.
Why do you think so?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:11 amI think it's very clear that Sloonei knew he wasn't going to die if he was lynched. I assumed that he was the one who was lynched but didn't die. I'd have to double check the vote tally though.
What if it wasn't tied?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:21 am Read what he has said over the last lynch it will be clear I think. And I feel very confident that if the vote tally is actually tied that Sloonei is confirmed town in my mind. I won't be able to go do research until later tonight or tomorrow though. Guests over still, phone posting.
fixed this for it to make any amount of senseJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:29 amI did. I don't see any names. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong post.Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:33 pmread the ebwop doodJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:56 amLike who? DDL, Eloh and now you have talked about the vultures. Who are the vultures? DDL answered LC, which is wrong, and required people to ask him like 8 times. Makes his vultures idea sound made up.Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:30 amWhat does Elohcin thinks about the people "kind of" wanting to vote for him? Maybe she's answered this. if not, I'd like one.Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 pmAre you still angry from the previous game with epi where he found you out as mafia?
I believe her.
I agree with this.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.
Posting but still catching up.
You and Eloh subscribe to the vultures theory and have not named vultures, which also sounds made up or at least barely paying attention to it.
I still want Eloh and DDL to answer this with actual names.
I was just a bit shocked to see that comparison tbh.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:09 pmIdk what that means for your alignment.
I didn't mention vultures, Jack. I asked about Eloh's mention of vultures, Jack.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:27 pmQuin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:40 pmfixed this for it to make any amount of senseJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:29 amI did. I don't see any names. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong post.Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:33 pmread the ebwop doodJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:56 amLike who? DDL, Eloh and now you have talked about the vultures. Who are the vultures? DDL answered LC, which is wrong, and required people to ask him like 8 times. Makes his vultures idea sound made up.
You and Eloh subscribe to the vultures theory and have not named vultures, which also sounds made up or at least barely paying attention to it.
I still want Eloh and DDL to answer this with actual names.![]()
Are there supposed to be vulture names in this post?
Jack, I think that might have been it, Jack. I forgive you, Jack. Quote breaks are the worst, Jack.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:35 pm Quin, I see what you mean now, Quin.
I misinterpreted your post to mean you agreed and wanted her thoughts I now see the quote marks as not subscribing to her belief. (Originally, the multiquote may have had me thinking someone else's post was yours but idk.)
Sloonei, probably. It's the most "urgent" of my reads right now. I'd like some opinions on my initial gripe (what I saw as dancing around my question re: Epi pressure vote).Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:59 pm Quin.
You've taken some flack for talking without saying things, despite isos and a number of people reading you as town.
What is your one opinion or bit of analysis that you have provided that should be underlined, that should be getting more attention?
I was also in the Jack is/did something camp, so I can appreciate this. Some of Sloonei's posts towards the end felt more 'I don't care about getting lynched because the game goes on without me.', not 'I don't care about getting lynched because I won't be getting lynched.'JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:02 am Alternative theory:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:57 amI firmly believe Sloonei is good. He feels good. He's been thinking and he's working.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:39 amWhyyyyyyyyyyyyJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 am Switching to Sprityo. At time of posting, I've read like none of his content (cause he had none when I left) so that sounds better than lynching Sloonei.
Tell me why you think he's bad.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am Ugh. This night. Now to go see why I was almost lynched.The first post came just before the poll deadline, and the next two came after -- but before Marmot posted the [non]results.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:10 am On the off chance of vote shenanigans...
Nutella, Sloonei, Jimmy, Bob, Quin good.
Epi bad. DDL maybe bad. Daisy maybe bad but only if Epi is.
Everyone else mostly null.
Do people use legacy reads? I feel like these get ignored.
Focus on the latter two posts. The highlighted portions suggest a player who does not anticipate being lynched despite being tied for the tally lead. Sloonei also projected a no-lynch as Spacedaisy has observed with "lynching me will be a waste of time". Neither of these two seemed to be very concerned about dying. One can assert that Jack's projection of survival barring vote shenanigans is evidence of the influence of Sutter Buttes, but then I have to question if he would say that. The poll was tied. Sloonei dying would have appeared to be the result of a coin flip; there's no need to make one's own mafia-driven voting advantage public before the results are revealed. If it's a civilian-driven advantage though (i.e. Everest)? Sure.
The first post above I also brought out to consider the notion that Jack stopped the lynch instead, given that he was firmly good on Sloonei. That'd give him a motive to put a stop to a tied lynch featuring a firm civilian read and himself at the gallows. This one is more difficult to believe though given the third quoted post -- "vote shenanigans" shouldn't matter to someone who is about to stop a lynch. This notion would require some semantic gymnastics.
Summarizing the theory:
~ Civilian Sloonei stopped the lynch/wasn't lynchable
~ Civilian Jack expected to survive because of his double vote
Other possibilities which are applicable – Matterhorn is somehow involved / Olympus Mons is somehow involved. Their “secrets” can be pretty much anything, and a lynch survival for OM especially wouldn’t surprise me.
Gimme those delicious thoughts.
He does if he doesn't want to have to stop the lynch?
I feel like this post is enough to warrant a self-preservation vote on him though.
I found something unnatural about how she brought up sig when asking Jack for reads. Neither Jack nor the thread was talking about sig. She was talking about sig, but if she were looking for opinions on him, why ask Jack specifically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:03 pmwhy did daisy drop to orange?Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:01 pm JaggedJimmyJay
On Sloonei - It was negative. His first response would be the most genuine and I didn't (still not sure, still want opinions) think that my initial question to him was that cryptic that he'd misunderstand it. The second answer was met with a heavy dose of skepticism. I've had further thought on it since but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.
On speedchuck - His entrance came across as a "I'm here, now get out of my way" kind of thing. I don't think he was holding anything back in his posts. It made me feel good.
I don't have anything specific to say for bob. It was a tonal read.
On updated reads - Sloonei's shot up to light green for posts I've posted. Epi is orange because he's no longer on my immediate hit list. GTH bob stays, GTH Daisy drops to orange. They're priority one for ISO's. Doesn't mean I will, but I want to![]()
But why Jack as opposed to just asking the thread?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:15 pmA quick glance at her ISO and it seems she's been pushing sig as a suspect/topic of conversation for a while. I don't think it's unnatural for her to direct a specific prod at Jack about sig.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:09 pmI found something unnatural about how she brought up sig when asking Jack for reads. Neither Jack nor the thread was talking about sig. She was talking about sig, but if she were looking for opinions on him, why ask Jack specifically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:03 pmwhy did daisy drop to orange?Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:01 pm JaggedJimmyJay
On Sloonei - It was negative. His first response would be the most genuine and I didn't (still not sure, still want opinions) think that my initial question to him was that cryptic that he'd misunderstand it. The second answer was met with a heavy dose of skepticism. I've had further thought on it since but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.
On speedchuck - His entrance came across as a "I'm here, now get out of my way" kind of thing. I don't think he was holding anything back in his posts. It made me feel good.
I don't have anything specific to say for bob. It was a tonal read.
On updated reads - Sloonei's shot up to light green for posts I've posted. Epi is orange because he's no longer on my immediate hit list. GTH bob stays, GTH Daisy drops to orange. They're priority one for ISO's. Doesn't mean I will, but I want to![]()
I would like that. [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention]Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:18 pmQuin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:17 pmBut why Jack as opposed to just asking the thread?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:15 pmA quick glance at her ISO and it seems she's been pushing sig as a suspect/topic of conversation for a while. I don't think it's unnatural for her to direct a specific prod at Jack about sig.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:09 pmI found something unnatural about how she brought up sig when asking Jack for reads. Neither Jack nor the thread was talking about sig. She was talking about sig, but if she were looking for opinions on him, why ask Jack specifically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:03 pmwhy did daisy drop to orange?Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:01 pm JaggedJimmyJay
On Sloonei - It was negative. His first response would be the most genuine and I didn't (still not sure, still want opinions) think that my initial question to him was that cryptic that he'd misunderstand it. The second answer was met with a heavy dose of skepticism. I've had further thought on it since but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.
On speedchuck - His entrance came across as a "I'm here, now get out of my way" kind of thing. I don't think he was holding anything back in his posts. It made me feel good.
I don't have anything specific to say for bob. It was a tonal read.
On updated reads - Sloonei's shot up to light green for posts I've posted. Epi is orange because he's no longer on my immediate hit list. GTH bob stays, GTH Daisy drops to orange. They're priority one for ISO's. Doesn't mean I will, but I want to![]()
she was talking to jack. daisy should probably answer these questions herself.
Cool. What's your opinion on sig?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:23 pm I'm simming so I will keep this brief. I asked Jack because Jack asked me to to ask him for ISO's and while I was at it I asked his opinion of sig as well. I don't see what is unnatural about it given I was directly asked to interact with Jack. I didn't particularly want Jack's opinion over everyone else's.