The Syndicate

[VOTE: inh] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:22 pm Some sort of redirection doesn’t seem like it should be out of the question.

Imperio is, because I was protected as well.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:35 pm And if Quin is lying there is no need to involve my other now-townfirm

Can you explain why this other person is a townfirm without revealing their identity?

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:01 am Quin, my question to you is... if only 2 people targeted Long Con, one of which was you... why wouldn't you be DEMANDING the name of the other person, if it wasn't you who killed him?

Why would I?

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:11 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:08 am Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?
But... like, I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that exactly what it means?

If 2 people visited Long Con, and he died... one of the two killed him... right? So... if you know you didn't kill him... then from YOUR viewpoint, the other person is a baddie... right? So, if you are civ, why wouldn't you of ALL people be demanding this person's name?

Cuz LC's dead, man... LC's dead...

You reckon scum killed scum?

Well, not entirely, timmer.

I can't explain how I was redirected from what I've read in the setup, since you denied using a dodo. It's possible someone did something so LC would act as some sort of lightning rod. But that doesn't explain why only myself and ??? wound up targeting him.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:17 am K, new thought... (wow...)...

Quin, have you asked the host if your action got redirected? Because you say you didn't target LC, but we've got someone saying you did?

ETA: no, I'm heavily distracted is all.

I haven't, but since speedchuck is claiming that I was (potentially as a scum maneuver) I very much doubt I'll get an answer.

Hallows wouldn't thematically explain it, and there aren't any civilian secrets. That leaves three explanations afaik.

1. I'm a dirty rotten liar and deep down I know I deserve to be punished.
2. speedchuck is a dirty rotten liar and deep down he knows he deserves to be punished.
3. There's a redirection hidden behind the secrets of the mafia team.

I'm leaning #2.

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:32 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:29 am fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.
Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?

Yes, but the stone thematically fits a rezz too. Technically a temporary rezz but that depends on how close DDL matched items to their use in the books.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:43 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:33 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:32 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:29 am fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.
Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?
Yes, but the stone thematically fits a rezz too. Technically a temporary rezz but that depends on how close DDL matched items to their use in the books.
I'll concede that. But also if the Ressurection Stone was responsible would DDL have included the bit about the [Phoenix]? This not being a bastard game.

Oh, yeah I'm being dumb. I forgot it was a Phoenix and thought you were talking about the Phoenix rezz as a whole.

I mean...what are the chances a scum rolled with a rezz? You're right that it seems bastardy.

@ whoever rezzed INH

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And you're fucking nuts.

I dunno. I've never witnessed a host directly interfere like that. If it was a rezz designed to punish us I think he'd have straight up said it too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:10 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:23 am Hallows wouldn't thematically explain it, and there aren't any civilian secrets. That leaves three explanations afaik.

1. I'm a dirty rotten liar and deep down I know I deserve to be punished.
2. speedchuck is a dirty rotten liar and deep down he knows he deserves to be punished.
3. There's a redirection hidden behind the secrets of the mafia team.

I'm leaning #2.
If number 3 is true, then it's probable that scum killed scum (Because of your power, it couldn't be a civ vig, so that leaves room only for redirect screwery) and that would nail us a confirmed baddie.

So yeah, I might be holding onto a confirmed baddie. I want to figure that out before day end.

If we hash this out while I'm alive, then after I die, people will trust me in retrospect and have a scumfirm. Yeah?

It could be a civ vig. I only protected against Dark Arts.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm I was not redirected last night, most likely. I am in a floo chat right now and my partner claimed to diriwhatzit me. For a redirect to target me and send me at timmer, it would have to have targeted them first.

What are the odds of a perfect double redirect?

I saw Quin kissing long con.
He is a liar.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:42 pm [Diricawl]: Known by muggles as the Dodo, it is actually a magical bird with the ability to disappear and reappear elsewhere. It can allow its owner to switch places with another student, making the abilities that hit one hit the other.

I win.

Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

i didn't read far enough for a name. i read the post in bed and shit my pants.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.
and juliets also claimed being redirected.
So? That information strengthens my argument.

I have no idea how.

If kara used a diricrawl on himself and you, I don't see how that has any impact on me who targeted a combination of timmer, Sloonei and LC unless you're talking about additional redirections, of which there isn't enough of.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:51 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.
and juliets also claimed being redirected.
So? That information strengthens my argument.
I have no idea how.
For you to be telling the truth, Kara would have to be targeted by a timmer-aimed redirect which would then target me and send me to timmer to see you!

And as we can see, scum already used their redirect on Juliets.

There is no redirect for me. A diricawl wouldn't work unless LC or Timmer used it on each other possibly somehow.

There is no world in which what I saw meshes with your claim.

@juliets Nothing has changed. Just extra layers of confusing nonsense required for me to believe Quin

So basically, you admit you're a liar?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:01 pm Quin, why did you target Sloonei?

Because I like Sloonei. The whole point was to protect timmer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:04 pm Scum using a diricrawl between timmer and LC makes sense in theory. But then we’d need to answer how LC ended up dead, I think.

speedchuck guessed the elder wand, which is effectively an unbeatable wand. Whoever has it could be responsible for one of the night kills.

I don't see anything in kara's posts that would suggest he suspected speedchuck and be motivated to use a diricrawl on him. Surely he'd have used it on Owner or Glorfiets who he suspected in his ISO.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:11 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 pm I don't see anything in kara's posts that would suggest he suspected speedchuck and be motivated to use a diricrawl on him. Surely he'd have used it on Owner or Glorfiets who he suspected in his ISO.
What's the motivation to use a Diricawl on scum?

(Not arguing, Kara can explain their own motives. Just curious)

Redirecting night kills off of yourself onto someone you suspect.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah, there's not any real reason to hide it since Speed brought it up.

I floo'd him today to see who the "other" person was he referred to who interacted with Long Con and he complied and told me.

In return I let him know that my Night 3 action was to Diricawl with him, which does not appear to have affected anything.

I don't like this much. Why did kara need to know?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 pm i didn't read far enough for a name. i read the post in bed and shit my pants.
and failed to read the post accurately lol

look m8 if you thought you were ever gonna play with a quin who interpreted posts correctly you've been setting yourself up for failure

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:20 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.
and juliets also claimed being redirected.
...so? there's more than one diricawl out there

If you know this as a fact then you've just confirmed I could have been redirected from timmer to LC. Or Sloonei to LC I guess, but I doubt it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:20 pm
karavalenge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah, there's not any real reason to hide it since Speed brought it up.

I floo'd him today to see who the "other" person was he referred to who interacted with Long Con and he complied and told me.

In return I let him know that my Night 3 action was to Diricawl with him, which does not appear to have affected anything.
I don't like this much. Why did kara need to know?
For kara to be bad with this mind frame, can speedchuck also be bad?

I don't think so.

i was supposed to be confirmed town today

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:23 pm 23% of me thinks this is all horseshit between teammates meant to sow extreme confusion in a game otherwise cruising toward a civilian victory.

sounds completely suicidal but ok

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:24 pm i was supposed to be confirmed town today
how

by being myself

I've decided I straight up don't believe speedchuck watched Long Con last night. No convoluted bullshit with multiple diricrawls and redirections.

He lied about his night action. That's it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:26 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:24 pm i was supposed to be confirmed town today
how
by being myself
gun to your head immediately:

speedchuck
poutanko
karavalenge
Sloonei

bad
good
good
good

I can't explain why speedchuck found me on Long Con, since timmer has rejected the only possibility I can understand from the rules. I am not lying, and therefore speedchuck is.

We still don't know who this ??? person is. speedchuck seemed happy to share that with kara, but for all we know it could have been a lie and kara's now looking at a night kill tonight to tie up that loose end.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:28 pm bad
good
good
good
Please build me a full mafia team compatible with these reads.

no thanks

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:32 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:31 pm no thanks
This really would help me a great deal. I don't mean to be a bossy ass. Please humor me.

I can't do the in-depth kind of stuff you need right now. I'm starting a new journal article and writing my masters application today.

If you want a GTH mafia team:

nova
INH
Long Con
speedchuck
Colin

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:35 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:32 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:31 pm no thanks
This really would help me a great deal. I don't mean to be a bossy ass. Please humor me.
I can't do the in-depth kind of stuff you need right now. I'm starting a new journal article and writing my masters application today.

If you want a GTH mafia team:

nova
INH
Long Con
speedchuck
Colin
lol

who shit in your cornflakes this morning?

sorry that sounded so much harsher than i meant it to be

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:51 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?
speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout
Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:54 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:51 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?
speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout
Why am I not here?
Why would you be on there?
Because I might be bad.

You could also be good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:57 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:56 pm You could also be good.
Why do you trust him?

He's just not on my PoE.

not playing 20 questions about why i couldn't put everyone inside a 6 person PoE pool, thank you very much.

I didn't give my full action because I was hesitant about giving out information that wasn't relevant. I went through this already when discussing timmer's Night 1. There was no reason that I should have had to mention Sloonei besides his pestering.

his being speedchuck

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:37 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:30 am I didn't give my full action because I was hesitant about giving out information that wasn't relevant. I went through this already when discussing timmer's Night 1. There was no reason that I should have had to mention Sloonei besides his pestering.
Does naming me hurt in any way?

Yes. If I say nothing and contradictory information comes out then I've potentially caught scum in a lie.

Do not ask me what kind of information could come out, I beg you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:09 pm In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.
This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.
Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?
I didn't do anything night 2.

@Quin Did you visit Long Con night 2?

I also didn't do anything night 2.

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