The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:57 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:55 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:52 pm Quin is focusing so much on the merits of fake claiming I'm getting the feeling he's doing that as an excuse not to hunt baddies.

*votes Quin*

That conversation ended an hour ago. I've moved on.

Allow me to rephrase the sentence then.

Quin was focusing so much on the merits of fake claiming an hour ago I'm getting the feeling he was doing that as an excuse not to hunt baddies.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:07 pm ~24 hours to go.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:13 pm Tell me if you guys have further problems at making that ISO, btw. I'm afraid you need to make an account, but after that it should be very straightforward. Just use the search button and pick the "search in this thread" option. Then start writing my name in the author field and the forum should complete it for you.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:47 pm i still think everyone pushing for fake claims underestimate how much effort it goes into building evidence and reads, and fake claims can literally blow them away if believed because one person can impact everyone. then you get into fake reads, and people putting effort into analyzing and building new cases on those.

How can you not see that as counterproductive?

This is mafia. This is a team-game. The cop does not win this game for us. The Cop is not the everything, everywhere, at all costs kinda guy. We don't sacrifice everything for the cop, that's just silly or we'd change the whole basis of this game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:13 pm Or anyone for that matter

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:13 pm Or anyone for that matter

Mad Max and Game of Champs '16 are my scum games. Turf Wars, Psych, Romance of the Three Kingdoms are all town games of mine.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:13 pm Or anyone for that matter

Mad Max and Game of Champs '16 are my scum games. Turf Wars, Psych, Romance of the Three Kingdoms are all town games of mine.

I'll find links.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 pm Switched to NewTraditionalist until they post.

I didn't read Kyle's post as that odd or pingy.

I figured MP was messing/flirting with you over that vote Daisy, I'm surprised you're taking it that way.

I've got nothing else to add besides the fact that I think either DDL or LC is bad, but not both. The other baddies are either semi active or inactive I believe. I must be off for the time, but I'll be back tomorrow.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:18 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:46 pm What specifically is respectable about it?

It's the first rainbow list we've had in this game.

It also had some good townreads on it. I was the one egregious error.

Quin, you're really going to stick to No Lynch?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:50 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

I think you should have said that after the people worth eyeing had already shown themselves

Looking back, I’m not sure what to make of this post. I came to the same conclusion as Quin did here, but I don’t feel like Quin does anything with it. It’s like Quin just made an observation but didn’t use it as the basis for developing a read on sig.

I have a habit of tunneling on sig because he sets off my alarms too easily. I wasn't going to go down that path 5 hours into Day 0. As far as I'm concerned its NAI.

This explanation appeased me at the time. I have to ask though, why didn't Quin say this without me prompting him? I just don't understand the mindset behind Quin making either of these posts, like where's his investigative spirit? Maybe I am asking for too much, considering this was pretty early in the game and it's not like I've done any better.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:45 pm 1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.

I'll throw this landlubber some early townie points for this. Savor them, you dog.

Did Quin ever explain why he was giving speedchuck townie points for this? it's not self-evident.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:54 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:28 pm Asking me about my own MO isn't the best way to go about it, methinks. I do what I want, others may see a meta in there somewhere.

This is another post where I get the impression Quin is criticizing the way another player (this time Kyle, last time sig) went about developing game-based content, but is making seemingly no effort to determine their alignment based on it. I think that's not a red flag or anything, but it's certainly less than ideal.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:42 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:18 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:46 pm What specifically is respectable about it?

It's the first rainbow list we've had in this game.

It also had some good townreads on it. I was the one egregious error.

Quin, you're really going to stick to No Lynch?

Probably not. My vote will probably go to a no-poster.

Quin, while I hate to fight you on this especially after 3 of the mafia in the Seinfeld game were low-posters, isn't there anyone who HAS contributed itt who you feel iffy about? That person, if someone else and someone third agrees with you on, should be lynched before someone who hasn't yet even had a chance to defend themselves. And that person can also make an effort to defend his/herself and change your mind.

I don't like lynching no-posters on Day 1.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:42 pm Dragon D. Luffy - I've actually come around on him, i read through his day 1 behavior in pokemon and princesses and this seems closer to pokemon than princesses. it's not 1:1 but i can see how this is just like... who he is
DrWilgy - your way of posting is frustrating but now that i've gotten used to it i.... i kind of get it? i was seeing it as a way to avoid responsibility, but you're still changing opinions and prodding at stuff.
dunya - generally still just good vibes. nothing substantial has changed with regards to her.
Kylemii - that's me.
Long Con - i think i said positive before but i'm feeling slightly more sketchy on him than before
MovingPictures07 - his "oh i see i'm joining a wagon but i guess i'll stay there" seems just like.... i don't know how to word it. overly concerned with appearances i guess. it irked me.
NewTraditionalist - get in here friend, come play with us.
Quin - Something bothers me about how they seem very concerned with what people think about their gameplay, i haven't really changed my opinion on them... the "vote low poster" thing also doesn't reflect super well.
sig - no change from before
Spacedaisy - her interractions with MP have put her on a watch list for me, something's fishy.
SpankGangsta - come play with usssssssssssssssss
speedchuck - no change here either.

So....

Frankensteins:
-Kylemii
Ghosts:
-DDL
-dunya
-speedchuck
Zombies:
-Long Con
-Dr. Wilgy
-sig
Werewolves:
- Spacedaisy
Vampires:
- MovingPictures07
- Quin
Ghosts But They're Not Real Ghosts, They're Just Regular Kids Wearing Sheets That Aren't Talking To Anyone And It's Super Weird:
-NewTraditionalist
-SpankGangsta

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:23 pm Quin, what are your reads?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:11 pm People I'd be willing to lynch today in order:

Kyle - I appreciate the excuse of being rusty (me too dude, apart from Seinfeld I played here, and the few days I was alive in Street Fighter mafia, I haven't played in aaaages). Still, something strikes me as insincere. Something strikes me as being mafia and trying to hard to be townie. Something strikes me as playing it too safe and trying to appear purposely unknowledgeable. I stand by it. Even yesterdays "rainbow list and reads" were like a mafia coverup trying to keep everyone somewhat happy because you're taking initiative and making an effort so to keep them at bay. Didn't like it.

MovingPicture - I want to say your dissertation is reason of your absence. But you have people suspecting you. Townie you would be going bonkers at this point. You haven't made a suspect list. Your contributions day 1 were out there, but timid. Every time someone answered a query, you said you were happy with that explanation. Where are you? Why aren't you probing harder? Why are you encouraging a Day 1 no-poster lynch?

Quin - wishy washy. Had him down as semi-town. Participation has dwindled down quite noticeably and I wonder if that's in part due to fear of being eliminated since some heat was thrown his way, and wanting to show up at the eleventh hour to cast a vote. Seems too obvious, so I don't like it. Prove me wrong.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:15 pm Quin, why are you town? Help. I came into the thread into a similar situation. If we're both town, I need you to work with me here.

I'm moving to DDL while I await your further response.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:31 pm @Quin who have you suspected and mentioned in the thread other than myself with the main reason of not liking the way I've been reading your posts?If you don't like the way I'm interpreting your gameplay then why don't you prove me wrong

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:54 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:43 pm I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Why does LC's no lynch talk ping you? What do you think of everyone else who discussed it (me)?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:35 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:32 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:15 pm Quin, why are you town? Help. I came into the thread into a similar situation. If we're both town, I need you to work with me here.

I'm moving to DDL while I await your further response.

Give me another day to show you. I'm good for it.

I'm tempted to. If you had entire authority over who is lynched right now, who would it be?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:39 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:54 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:43 pm I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Why does LC's no lynch talk ping you? What do you think of everyone else who discussed it (me)?

I think this is where Kyle's developed his latest beef. Wanted to throw it out there.

Not at all? Earlier on sure, but then you kept doing it with me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:41 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:39 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:54 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:43 pm I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Why does LC's no lynch talk ping you? What do you think of everyone else who discussed it (me)?

I think this is where Kyle's developed his latest beef. Wanted to throw it out there.

Not at all? Earlier on sure, but then you kept doing it with me.

Show me.

There's 20 minutes left is this really that important to you?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:40 pm We've got eight people around according to the forum.

linki: I agree with you that it's a weak reasoning for not voting after all that distancing, but MP is also voting DDL. Doesn't that count for something Wilgy?

What the hell are you talking about?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:38 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:35 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:32 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:15 pm Quin, why are you town? Help. I came into the thread into a similar situation. If we're both town, I need you to work with me here.

I'm moving to DDL while I await your further response.

Give me another day to show you. I'm good for it.

I'm tempted to. If you had entire authority over who is lynched right now, who would it be?

A no poster. See my latest post to dunya for reasoning.

You don't have any solid baddie reads then, I take it?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 pm Switched to NewTraditionalist until they post.

I didn't read Kyle's post as that odd or pingy.

I figured MP was messing/flirting with you over that vote Daisy, I'm surprised you're taking it that way.

I've got nothing else to add besides the fact that I think either DDL or LC is bad, but not both. The other baddies are either semi active or inactive I believe. I must be off for the time, but I'll be back tomorrow.

I don't understand how you can form an assumption like this on Day 1. Does this mean you're currently town-reading all the other active players?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:30 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:13 pm Or anyone for that matter

Mad Max and Game of Champs '16 are my scum games. Turf Wars, Psych, Romance of the Three Kingdoms are all town games of mine.

I'll find links.

Mad Max: /viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1161

GoC doesn't have one because there was an error with the thread.

Turf Wars: /viewtopic.php?p=238789#p238789

Psych: /viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1108

RoTTK: /viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1134

you gave me this when i asked for games with DDL in them and i still don't really get why

this is gonna be out of order

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

truncated for space purposes

Did you just reduce my content to a town read I made at the very beginning of Day 1? Does the amount of nothings I've said really outweigh the somethings I've said?

here was the second time. or third if you could the thing with.... was it Sig?

it just ended up added up to a trend. you see it right? it wasn't consistent with the whirlpool of interrogation that you presented yourself as

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:53 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:15 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

I think you should have said that after the people worth eyeing had already shown themselves

Looking back, I’m not sure what to make of this post. I came to the same conclusion as Quin did here, but I don’t feel like Quin does anything with it. It’s like Quin just made an observation but didn’t use it as the basis for developing a read on sig.

Explain yerself here, mate. From where I'm standing, I think you're asking for the moon and stars and then some. Least Quin said something yesterday, you didn't.

This post doesn't sit right; dunya's tone is almost condescending. Maybe it's because I am the object of it, but I feel like any line of investigation is fair game, especially that early in the game when attempting to discern motivations behind posts.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm I feel like baddie MP would have tried a lot harder to pocket me. I'm not comfortable with his lynch at this time.

What is pocketing?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:00 pm Wilgy is annoying as fuck, but I felt he was genuinely trying to comment on things earlier in the game, and despite my increasing frustration with him and inability to tell what he's trying to say, I haven't entirely divorced myself from that perspective just yet. He deserves to be held responsible for his bullshit gambit though if we can't make sense of what he's saying.

I don't know what to do.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm I'm going to assume it is DDL but maybe MP. We'll see.

Assuming Quin is scum, DDL would be more likely. I still townread DDL, just from that perspective of Quin trying to protect someone.

Civs don't protect day one. They hunt. Quinn isn't hunting.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:16 pm I will say while talking, I am also finding daddy's recent posts somewhat suspect.

When I responded to her awhile back I thought her post was a godsend of Civ light. Now I'm not so sure.

Daddy?

I assume he means dunya?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.

Agreed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:27 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:13 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.

hey dude? buddy? pal? friendo? you voted Wilgy to save yourself without any consideration to what his alignment might be. please don't forget that.

did a single person who voted Wilgy mention suspecting him as bad?

What?

I know I'm town. Despite my thoughts on Wilgy or anyone else, my vote was cast literally in the final hour with having done every bit of investigation and vote-moving I could possibly to discern alignments before self-preservation; I even missed the deadline because I was waiting too long. Why in any universe would I have done anything else?

You're saying that as if voting for Dr. Wilgy was the only way to save yourself, there was a 5 way tie at one point. I understand that you were having to act with very little information.

RIP Wilgy.

There's a lot to look through, there was a lot of vote moving near the end and I don't think all of it was telegraphed in posts.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:29 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm Anyone down for GTH reads?

What does this entail?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:30 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm I never said anything about rushed lynch decisions. I said you apologized to MP as if he had already been revealed civ. It read as if you no longer believe he is bad, despite your vote. I can read MP pretty well and not even I feel 100% convinced of his alignment at the moment. So your apology to him sure looked to me like you know he is civ.

linki: With Wilgy, you never can tell...

you're completely misinterpreting my posts. I was suspicious of MP. MP posted a lot in a short timeframe at the end where I could not read all his posts. He targeted me and I felt it wasn't genuine of him to ISO Quin just to get the heat off him. While it's a civ effort, it could also be a mafia effort. He voted for me, with Quin and someone else. It was three votes against me. Of course I'm voting for him. I don't especially want to without reading his contributions without being bombarded with 20 new posts in 2 mins at the end. It was rushed. I apoligized for rushing it. I don't usually do that, but panicked.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:37 pm we need to figure out the voting order at some point. probably not right this second but it seems important

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:30 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm I never said anything about rushed lynch decisions. I said you apologized to MP as if he had already been revealed civ. It read as if you no longer believe he is bad, despite your vote. I can read MP pretty well and not even I feel 100% convinced of his alignment at the moment. So your apology to him sure looked to me like you know he is civ.

linki: With Wilgy, you never can tell...

you're completely misinterpreting my posts. I was suspicious of MP. MP posted a lot in a short timeframe at the end where I could not read all his posts. He targeted me and I felt it wasn't genuine of him to ISO Quin just to get the heat off him. While it's a civ effort, it could also be a mafia effort. He voted for me, with Quin and someone else. It was three votes against me. Of course I'm voting for him. I don't especially want to without reading his contributions without being bombarded with 20 new posts in 2 mins at the end. It was rushed. I apoligized for rushing it. I don't usually do that, but panicked.

Do you think it was a civ or mafia effort, in hindsight?

I have to go back and read all his posts, don't I?

Why did you vote for me?