The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:21 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:10 pm Generally your 'getting the ball rolling' accusations have substance. There's a clear difference here.
No, they really don't. People may think so, but I'm always full of shit.
My impression was that whether you believed in an accusation or not, there was always some reasoning behind it on Day 1. Wanna throw me a couple of games to show me otherwise?
Oh there is a reason. I don't merely say "Quin is bad!". I say "Quin is bad because X!"

X might absolutely be stupid as hell, but I don't care about that. It provides something that demands a specific response beyond "No, JJJ, I am not bad!". I don't have time right now to go on an archaeological dig through my old games, but I can think of one example that you could look for on your own if you like -- Fiddler on the Roof, when I completely made up a "tell" that revealed Kyle as a mafioso just so it'd be something to talk about.
luckily kyle has just now arrived to verify this so i don't have to
yeah that was true. it happened and i was real mad about it, but it led to good things and created a greater understanding of Jay's meta for me

How do you feel about Jay in this game?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:35 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:30 pm Anyway, on juliets:

Tonally, I don't see an alignment. Her politeness is making it hard to tell. One observation I have very little opinion on but I'll post nonetheless:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:41 pm Owner's suspicion of DH reads ingenuine
Her defense of the Deathly Hallows/Dark Arts thing wasn't even needed, but she overexplained it in a way that looked nervous

Are there any other facets to the case there?
I'd like to see what was behind her "I have my reasons" about DH just in case it's something tangible that happened in this game that I overlooked.
juliets made two "what's going on?" posts on Day 1. The second kind of contradicts the first since I'd expect she go through at least the effort to figure out if things can happen on Day 1 and realise that there isn't anything "tangible" out there at this point.
Hey @Quin the second post was me talking about the fact that I had asked OoaLH several questions that she hadn't yet answered. One of the things I asked her about was what she meant by "I have my reasons" regarding thinking DH was a baddie. I wasn't saying "whats going on?", I was expressing to speed that I was still waiting for her answers. If I've misunderstood your point just let me know.

I was interpreting the word "tangible" to mean concrete information. Role info and stuff like that. You've cleared that up for me in any case.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:18 am So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia

i love you

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:18 am So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia
i love you

hey mac repeat this last part but throw a 'learned' in between I and Quin there kthx

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.
...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

mfw me trying to be helpful isn't town indicative

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:24 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:23 am @Lunalee ^^^
dismissive, doesn't put up with anyone's crap, and short posts. Go look at Outpost 31. That's my idea of town Quin.
ok thanks, I modded that game but I will go back and look at his posts. Quin, do you have any other game examples where you were good? Also, what game was that where you were bad and lost but ultimately won Best Baddie for it?

Mad Max for bad.

As for town, Mega Man, Mortal Kombat, idk what games I've played in lately tbh.

But there are as many town Quins as there are games Quin has played in. Whatever meta you pick out for me is really just the way my motivation to play has manifest. Short, dismissive posts in Outpost were because I was pissed at DharmaHelper (no beef pls) and only signed up to play so it could start to begin with.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:29 am I kept Jay alive the whole way through Easter Mafia when I was scum. It was not ideal, but everyone should try it at least once.

Been there, done that.

if you wanna know how my motivations are manifesting in this game its that i'm sloppy because i'm procrastinating doing my work by playing a shit tonne of maplestory 2 which is in turn making me more anxious about my procrastinating which only means i play even more maplestory 2

it's a terrible spiral, guys

im embellishing it a bit but you get the idea

[VOTE: mac] aubergine because he probably wanted a reaction and i'm happy to oblige

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:35 pm MacDougall

Spoiler: show
is mafia. Discuss.

he didn't do the thing i asked him to do

I can see how a lack of Negan-posting could be valuable to you but I cannot fathom how a Hagrid comic strip could.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm
The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?
Looking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.
I don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.
Why not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.

so nutella is bad

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 pm Ok I was ISO ing poutanko and noticed something I had forgotten about karavalenge, and moved over to Kara.

1. Botched wording in her I am town statement which may, depending on mod discretion, invalidate a lie detect on it.

2. Commenting on sus against owner with supportive "meh?" Style little defences of his play which feel team-y.

3. Too specific in talk of owners deathly Hallows comments.

4. General ping in my gut.

I'm going to vote Kara, but could vote owner easily as well. Will read more tomorrow morning.

Did you have anything to say about poutanko?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:04 pm I was looking for alternative places to plop the ol’ vote, and I was surprised how perturbed I was when I scanned Soneji’s posts. I will explain soon, but for now y’all can take your own looks.
Soneji is the most scummy player in the game and after all the fun and games are over I am going to destroy. In the meantime though there is still fun to be had.

Quin, you suck.

nah dude when everyone else was talking about fake cop checks you were over here all like "hey let me play!"

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:04 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:35 pm MacDougall

Spoiler: show
is mafia. Discuss.

he didn't do the thing i asked him to do
Does this mean he didn't insert the "learned" between I and Quin in his post or is it something else I missed when I did his ISO. Is there anything else you could share about seeing Mac as bad? If you want to wait till day to answer thats fine.

i mean that's a minor thing. i felt it in my bones, juliets! that mark guy is whack!

did sloonei just TOWNSLIP?

3J hasn't been killed yet because Glorfindel is bad and won't let his teammates kill him.

i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:04 am i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so
I periodically remember that you are playing this game. You've been thoroughly forgettable and I'm not sure I could name more than one opinion you have had in this game, the one being suspicion of Mac (which I share). I wonder if I should be worried about that. I don't have much of a handle on your meta at all really. Luna's take resonated with me a bit, about expecting you to be more... abrasive. I know you can be abrasive as scum too (*cough*FE) and perhaps conversely you can be more chill as town. Also I agree with Sloonei that this very post is a good look.

i've felt as though you've been in my corner for most of this game though i have absolutely no idea why. you haven't explicitly said this, but joining me on the mac train even though my own reason was so lacklustre and then gth reading me as good makes me feel this way and this feeling is not great.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:09 am I don't trust timmer enough to read him as town

probably because he's bad

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:13 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:04 am i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so
I periodically remember that you are playing this game. You've been thoroughly forgettable and I'm not sure I could name more than one opinion you have had in this game, the one being suspicion of Mac (which I share). I wonder if I should be worried about that. I don't have much of a handle on your meta at all really. Luna's take resonated with me a bit, about expecting you to be more... abrasive. I know you can be abrasive as scum too (*cough*FE) and perhaps conversely you can be more chill as town. Also I agree with Sloonei that this very post is a good look.
i've felt as though you've been in my corner for most of this game though i have absolutely no idea why. you haven't explicitly said this, but joining me on the mac train even though my own reason was so lacklustre and then gth reading me as good makes me feel this way and this feeling is not great.
"in your corner"? all I know is that we both suspect mac, but for separate reasons. I didn't "join you on the mac train", I'm not sure which of us was first but my suspicion of him is completely independent from yours

i know it's for different reasons. but my reason sucked. did you know why i was on the train when you voted for him?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:19 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:19 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:13 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:04 am i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so
I periodically remember that you are playing this game. You've been thoroughly forgettable and I'm not sure I could name more than one opinion you have had in this game, the one being suspicion of Mac (which I share). I wonder if I should be worried about that. I don't have much of a handle on your meta at all really. Luna's take resonated with me a bit, about expecting you to be more... abrasive. I know you can be abrasive as scum too (*cough*FE) and perhaps conversely you can be more chill as town. Also I agree with Sloonei that this very post is a good look.
i've felt as though you've been in my corner for most of this game though i have absolutely no idea why. you haven't explicitly said this, but joining me on the mac train even though my own reason was so lacklustre and then gth reading me as good makes me feel this way and this feeling is not great.
"in your corner"? all I know is that we both suspect mac, but for separate reasons. I didn't "join you on the mac train", I'm not sure which of us was first but my suspicion of him is completely independent from yours
i know it's for different reasons. but my reason sucked. did you know why i was on the train when you voted for him?
no, not really? why do you keep calling it a train

1< vote = train

maybe 2 votes is more of like a detached ute

on lunalee:

when i responded to mac's fake cop check she said she was going to "check the quindar" which i'm going to hope didn't mean "ask speedchuck" because he is dead and that would be against the rules but the main point here is i don't think i ever found out what the quindar said okay cool

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm
The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?
Looking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.
I don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.
Why not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.

i'm with dharmahelper. this feels so forced.

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

Spoiler: show

seriously tho let's lynch [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Janitoring is possible if Polyjuice potion is a hidden dark art thing. I would actually be surprised if it wasn't in the game given that it's such an important thing in the books.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:03 pm This was one of my favourite recent posts. Russ absolutely nailed someone with this.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:39 pm
1. MP will remember that in high school English class, Mr. Goldfuss once told us about an analysis that was done on Hitler's speeches. A univeristy group had apparently analyzed a large number of them line by line and found that nearly every one had a net "opinion content" (I'm paraphrasing here) of 0. What they meant was, every time Hitler expressed an opinion in a speech, he offset it by saying the opposite thing with about the same intensity somewhere else in the speech. This made him very appealing, because everyone in a crowd could find something to agree with him about. (Mr. Goldfuss was weird, and recommended we try to follow this model for some speeches.) Mr. Goldfuss also lied a lot, and it's possible he made up that story entirely, but the core of it applies really well to some posts by Alien. Let's play a game: I'll post an Alien quote, highlight anything where he expresses a positive opinion in green, and highlight anything with a negative opinion in red. I think we'll find quite a few offsetting posts.

I caught scum Fredwood this way in Phenon.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:32 pm I’ll reiterate, to anybody who wants to lynch me ... go ahead. Just give me that Phoenix right afterward.

kinda do want to lynch you now

Nobody cares about Colin right now. Why is he throwing in the towel?

aside from mac the most recent suspicion of colin that i know of (from looking at his iso) came from nutella as a "maybe" while presenting three others as clearer targets for scrutiny. There's no way in hell colin legitimately buckles under that pressure.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:07 pm Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

This.

townslips aren't real guys

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:59 pm big post with long con in it

I didn't get that subtle defence or whatever from LC at all. Dunno how you interpreted it that way.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:31 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:19 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:59 pm big post with long con in it
I didn't get that subtle defence or whatever from LC at all. Dunno how you interpreted it that way.
So anyway why isn't your vote on Colin? same goes for @Long Con

because you're bad

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:43 am Here's how it went down from my perspective, one mental state at a time.

1. Bullzeye voted for nova.
2. Timmer and a few others found Bullzeye's vote extremely suspicious.
3. Nova was killed and flipped bad.
4. Some people (myself included) suspect Bullzeye even more, thinking that he placed a vote on a teammate.
5. Timmer comes out with a 180 on Bullzeye, calling him his top civ read after the events of the night but not due to a cop check.
6. I look at the list of abilities to see what might explain this that's not cop-ish per se. I notice the one that tracks which player a player targeted, and it occurs to me that perhaps Bullzeye vigged nova since he presumably suspected him, and perhaps timmer tracked Bullzeye since he suspected him, and saw that he targeted nova, and is now townclearing Bullzeye as the vig.
7. I accept this and decide to townread both bullzeye and timmer based on this interpretation.
8. The topic comes up again and Jay questions how timmer could know anything and says that he blocked timmer.
9. I say "wouldn't he not have gotten a result at all if he were blocked?"
10. That turns out to be moot as timmer admits that it was not based on anything he did at all, it was just based on something that happened (i.e. nova's death).
11. I figure that timmer had just made an educated guess that bullzeye vigged nova and decided to townclear him. Since it made so much sense to me when I was investigating back when I thought timmer actually knew something, I figured that I still believed it made sense even though it turned out timmer didn't actually know, and I continued to agree with timmer/believe that bullzeye killed nova.
12. For a while I still figured that this looked good for timmer. I no longer feel like I have much justification for that; he could easily have scum motivation for pulling his 180 on bullzeye in the way that he did.

[mention]timmer[/mention]

does number 5 come from any sort of info you got?

I think I know what timmer is talking about, and timmer should retract that top civ read on Bullzeye.

Maybe. It's a confusing mess in my head.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:11 am Clue us in Mr. Civ.

I want him to answer my question first.

timmer is a civilian because he did not lie to me just now.

3J did you seriously role block timmer on Night 1? Or was it one of your "get things moving" kind of stunts?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 am
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:53 am As for bullz... if the baddies aren't necessarily baddies... ugh, I may retract my vouch of bullz. Nova being bad was the centerpiece of my thoughts on that.
If there is even a single reason to believe in this stuff, then it needs to be stated clearly. It would define the entire civilian approach to the game. I have no clue whatsoever why we're talking about this. It's bonkers.

If there is a ressurection in play, janitors would be the way the balance it. That's about the best I have.

wait not janitors the other thing

false flippidy dippidy doo

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:57 am 3J did you seriously role block timmer on Night 1? Or was it one of your "get things moving" kind of stunts?
I did.

cool. no issues here. the thing that i thought happened with timmer was probably wrong then.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:51 am wait timmer what the fuck is your job
when someone has an infection and a surgeon cuts the infected tissue out of them, like in a knee joint or an abscess or a bursa, that tissue comes to me. I grind it into pulp with a mortar and pestle and then take that pulp and culture it to see what bacteria is in it. That then tells the surgeon what antibiotics the person should be on to heal the area and to keep them from going septic.

are you also the guy who collects the amputated limbs after surgery because if so my dad wants his leg back

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:05 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:00 am wait not janitors the other thing

false flippidy dippidy doo
Seemers are typically opposite, i.e. mafia members who flip as civilians. Death millers, or civilians who flip as mafia, are very rare (and on many sites considered outright bastard roles). The exception around here is the forger, which can specifically select a civilian to appear as a mafioso when killed. That'd have to mean though that a forger and a vigilante targeted the same person in only two night phases, barring an even more convoluted theory in which the mafia team can slaughter four or five players in two nights, one or two of whom was forged.

It strikes me as absurd.

A serial killer is more believable just because it's an ordinary role, but I was under the impression the setup was purely civilian versus mafia (Hogwarts students versus New Death Eathers). That's what the setup says.

i was less talking about the number of kills and moreso the possibility of there being a ?self-seemer? on the mafia team.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:11 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:08 am Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?
Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:17 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:11 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:08 am Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?
Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.
if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?
I dunno, INH because he actually posted some?

for a guy who's been leading this discussion about fake flips you don't seem especially opinionated about it.

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