The Syndicate

I also feel like I should apologize to all the people trying to read me for "process" as I try to make myself a barely penetrable black box of tricks and traps until coming to a conclusion. I imagine it drives y'all nuts. Sorry. It is what it is.

Dear Mist,

I imagine you're feeling a bit down. If you're town, that's okay. Don't give up. Post more. Help me help you. I am listening. Especially interested in your takes on MP7 and Hally.

Dear MP7,

Please post some conclusions for me. Not necessarily final ones. Tell me your thoughts. Right now I'm reading you and seeing a lot of "Why why why?" directed at other people and promises to do more later, and not much in the way of conclusions. Later is now. We need your head. Take some stances. Clear thesis statement in the first paragraph of the paper.

Dear Hally,

I am almost certainly not voting you today but would greatly appreciate your thoughts on... like everything. If we miss today I expect one of us will die, so we at least aren't each other's problem. Also you're fun to bounce at.

<3 <3 <3, Ran

Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.

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Same. I'm trying not to spam too much and say the same things over and over again but uh. People busy today, huh.

MP7, tell me about this Hally stuff. In excruciating detail. Throw it out there.

And other things. Anything. Talk to me, MP7. Talk to me. Words.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:23 am
Hally is the player most set up to win if they're scum out of any of us, and I think that's by design.

Interesting.
- If we're wrong today, you don't think Hally dies tonight?
- Is a Cayvie/Hally team set up better or worse than if Hally had parked elsewhere? Do you believe Cayvie was saveable at eod?
- Why do you find these issues more mafia indicative than Mist's shading of Sabie and townread of Cayvie?
- What do you make of this post?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:04 pm i don’t feel great about cayvie flipping scum with four votes in an eight player game :/

Bored. Reread Hyena's ISO. Dang. Hyena was a real one. I got thoughts, but not a lot I think would be productive or am comfortable saying until I hear a lot more from Mist, MP7, Hally... and also Sabie.

I guess I can say I'm pretty sure Hyena was the IC and TSP was the vig, not the other way around. Hyena showed no fear at any point whatsoever, and almost no self defense despite taking what I perceive to have been a fair amount of heat. They knew they were unyeetable. (Cayvie agreed.) TSP's night posts are all but yelling outright "I am the vig and I am not going to shoot tonight because if I miss and am killed it's MYLO and scum could win by claiming my shot."

I'm... not sure this changes much for anyone going forward. Maybe lessens Hyena read influence a little, but not much.

I'd hoped to get a lot more done yesterday and today tbh. Spelunky 2 will be out by the time I'm up again and I am absolutely going to disappear into it. (relatively speaking. I'll be around.) No knock on anyone. Just unfortunate.

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You are "...and sabie" because I concluded that you are likely town and so I am not waiting on more content from you to make a decision on your alignment.

[VOTE: MP7] aubergine

[mention]Mistyx[/mention] [mention]sabie12[/mention] [mention]Hally[/mention]

Think this may be the correct vote.

Why not?

I mean, obviously I have reasons. But I don't want to tell them to you, specifically, Mist, because you're still a primary suspect and have barely posted despite being asked to. I'm not just going to give you my case on the other top suspect that you can repeat back and agree with. *You* give *me* *your* case on who you think is mafia. Give me your full thoughts and overview of the game so that I can evaluate you, please.

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Ok fine sure here's why why why.

MP7 claims her process is always finding town, yet hits us here with a scumcase. It is based on Hally being the wolf poised to win - an analysis I'm familiar with and make myself most of the time - but conveniently, if we accept this, it makes MP7 the wolf poised to win.

She also brings this up and votes it here on 5 players remaining. From MP7's perspective, I don't think it can possibly be correct to vote this on 5 as opposed to waiting for final 3, because it's very likely that either Ran or Hally will die tonight, the two of us being relatively active posters who did vote against Cayvie. She's still said nothing about Mist other than "meh, too easy." But she also hasn't said anything much about me. Hyena and Tony both died expressing "Ran powerwolfing?" concerns that I expected to be fighting here, but no one is engaging on anything. This makes me assume that people are freerolling Ran+Hally to see which of us dies tonight.

So why does MP7 want to vote Hally today? Smells like TMI that Mist is in fact too easy and that she's planning to kill me and sow discord between Sabie/Hally in final 3.

IS Mist too easy? I don't know, it's hard to say because Mist isn't posting much today.

Is MP7 independently scummy? Also a hard time telling because she isn't posting much. Had my doubts from yesterday though and this case does not make a ton of sense to be coming from her here, to me.

Is there possibly merit to this case and Hally isn't all that towny? I don't know, where's Hally at today?

Is this a lock case? Heck no. Discuss it.

It's a little frustrating feeling alone and then just getting why why why'd on things I post. Sorry about that.

Like where does MP7 arrive at a townread on Mist and not a townread on Hally, to this extent, where is that from? That is a big question I have here.

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More for Mist

(something something boxed in and trying to expand the poe

just take me out back and old yeller me. i've become my own nightmare.)

I think it is actually bad, agree with all the stuff Hally just said, plus more. There wasn't much basis at that point in time for MP7 to confidently townread Mist and swing around that hard, and I think there's no way it's correct to push a Hally case on 5 in that spot.

"Mist? Nah too easy" isn't a thought she should be having here. What I've been looking for from Mist and MP7, and the reason I've been dragging my heels trying to get them to post, is to see the element of "oh dear, I could've screwed up this game badly by townreading cayvie, time to reevaluate."

I don't... love either of their reactions, but there's only one wolf, and currently I'm buying Mist's feeling crushed more than MP7's swing to Hally.

(The food situation here is still not good but I have procured and eaten a food.)

Yeah. Still no game related thoughts. And a very lampshady "this is more common in my wolfgames but this is the exception I guess".

Currently hating this spot.

YEAH SAME

ahem

keep talkin to me though. how's your ran tinfoil about how i'm pocketing sabie doing?

well i already knew you were killing me tonight so ok,

fair enough

depression brain: "BUT WHAT IF MP7 IS RIGHT AND IT IS HALLY AND YOU DIDN'T LISTEN AND LET YOURSELF GET POCKETED WHILE YOU COMPLACENTLY MISYEET MIST AGAIN AND KILL MP7 FOR THINKING DIFFERENT LIKE YOU HATE IT WHEN EVERYONE ELSE DOES"
"WHAT IF IT'S SABIE AND YOU'RE JUST LETTING HER GET AWAY WITH BASIC DISTANCING AND RANDOM WIFOM QUESTIONS"
"YOU'LL BE SO EMBARRASSED AFTERGAME"

shut up brain
i hate being town

In all seriousness - yes. MP7+Mist in some order should be winning. Incredibly elaborate setup with the Hyena interactions if it's Hally. Just way less likely. TSP probably just had it.

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<3 <3 <3

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[mention]sabie12[/mention] Who is mafia and who is town? What can I post that will help you?

I'm not sure that would help.

Who do you think is mafia?

What do you think about MP7's case on Hally?

What do you think about Hally. In general.

What do you think about Hally claiming scum multiple times on day 1

What do you think about Hally having zero tinfoil on me despite both dead town saying "Ran's powerwolfing"

What do you think about NOBODY having any tinfoil on me. I saw those posts and groaned like "TSP whyyyy" and expected to spend a good chunk of the day on tinfoil defense for myself, not tinfoil defense for Hally

What do you think about MP7 having thirty two thousand posts on this forum, where I've gathered excessive AtE is usually discouraged as a thread rule, and making those latest posts

Do you think we should be like. Policy voting that? Just so we won't get laughed at aftergame by people going "haha, u should've known never to listen to AtE"

Do you think I'm misclearing Sabie? I might be. It's true.

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sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:01 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.

hi sabie, i’ve been feeling pretty unsure this game so i don’t get what you’re saying re: me. what game are you talking about? and i just wanted to talk about pokemon. why is that scummy?

re: mp, do you remember what her scum game is like at all?

I'm sorry yes I should have specified. I was referring to the jack attack game. I felt you were more hesitant to vote in that game than here. just trying to work out my thoughts.


I see the thread is now leaning towards cayvie. I'm wondering does cayvie up and disappear as scum being accused or as town unsure of what to do? I've only played one game with cayvie and that was Upick. I'm not opposed to a cayvie vote I thought maybe her theory on hally and hyena was a genuine thought but then she hasn't come back and further discussed so ehhhh.

It's probably Hally

It's probably Hally because Cayvie's a gamer.

I AM policy never voting Hally here though and I don't think they should be voted in f3 either.

(It's probably not Hally. These posts are like TSP's "Ran is powerwolfing.")

I do seriously think I may have miscleared Sabie too easily. Sabie is back on the table.

But

It could all go either way :/

Ok nevermind it's not Hally. Thank you for expressing my sentiments more precisely though.

Frankly I have no idea who it is.

Sabie had some awkward interactions with Cayvie. I quoted two of the more hair-raising posts on the previous page. She's also not posted much today, and her engagement has felt limited to herself and a focus on things that I don't understand or find very useful, like asking what people think of Cayvie's WIFOM-filled talk about the vengeful mafia. A lot of role related stuff in her ISO.

But maybe I'm just talking past her?

Mist had some awkward interactions with Cayvie and called her top two town. She's also not posted much today, and her engagement has felt very bare bones, I've doubted her reads.

But maybe her Sabie read is accurate and she just misread Cayvie.

MP7 had some awkward interactions with Cayvie... or rather around Cayvie, barely existing at the same time before Cayvie vanished, and townread her. She's also not posted much today, and her engagement has felt like etc etc

But maybe she's just busy and having a hard time as town etc etc

At the time Cayvie posted that readlist, MP had made only a single post.