The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:07 am I have decided Samu is town

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am I'm sorry this post is so long, I have been catching up from overnight. I'll spoiler the first part which is my response to Ted.

Spoiler: show

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:07 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am Ted is playing scummy on purpose apparently lol.

Because that's what town do on day 1 coming off multiple scum rands...

I need to take a short break. I'm up to this post and just wanted to make a quick comment. I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post and another like it that tutuu posted. It doesn't make sense to me that ted would want to post scummy on Day 1 coming off other games where he randed scum. I don't understand that, @tedxtr maybe you could explain. If you already did thats fine, I'll get to it soon.

And then do I understand correctly that you voted tutuu in part because she read you as scum after you admitted that you were playing scummy? Maybe I misunderstood or maybe you've already addressed this too, if so I'll get to it.

I'll be gone for a bit and then come back and pick up where I left off.

Why is it wolfy to post scummy?

Judging from your posturing here, nothing pinged you before I said that, so you didn’t even realise I was playing scummy. I think that’s a fair and safe assumption to make.

Soooo...Why did you think me saying I was posting scummy on purpose after 7 wolf rands is wolf indicative, if I was already a town for you?

My issue with it is why you would post scummy if you are town and coming off several games where you were scum? As I said, I just don't understand it, and without explanation it felt scummy to me.

Also, you describe my post as "posturing", behavior that is intended to impress or mislead. I was doing neither and your choice of word there is imo inflammatory. And to your point, you were not already town to me. What I said was "I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post". That means exactly what it says: I did not have a strong mafia read on you prior to the post, not that I was seeing you as lock town.

With all that said, I have seen you as townier since that post and would not vote for you today.

Some miscellaneous thoughts from my catch up this morning (I lack about two pages catching up):

I believe Hally's read on dya is important if Hally is town, and I haven't seen anything that indicates she's not. Her read was: "i might be decent? they seem towny for them in particular just on vibe". Also dya indicates she is not a good Day 1 player - I empathize and don't want to vote her today.

Mac says later: "Coming around to dyachei being mafia here". @MacDougall you are someone in my top tier, can you talk to me about what you're seeing here? If you did and I just missed it just refer me to your ISO.

Mac on SPF: "3 votes on spf has me intrigued. I don't think I've seen a single post of hers that bothered me." I agree with this. Im having a hard time figuring out why people are scum reading her. Can anyone help me with that?

@nutella you quoted 3 posts by spf to respond to why you suspect her. You said they were "manufactured" reads I believe. Can you expand on that? One of the posts was a list of her reads - did they all strike you as manufactured? Can you be any more specific? My apologies if you did this somewhere and I didn't see it.

Mac post about JPIC: "He too lacks having made any effort to appear town. He would be doing a serious disservice to his team." One thing I just don't get about JPIC. He gave us two reads and that's it. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve. He voted himself. If he were wolf wouldn't he be trying to give reads, appear as trying to solve, not voting himself? If he's town wouldn't he be trying to give reads, appear to try to solve, not vote himself? I'm having trouble reconciling him. It's like he's not worried about being yeeted at all. I need to spend some time in his iso to sort him.

@MacDougall: "I'd probably turbo Juliets if I knew nut was town. If there's one person I'd trust to read Juliets it's her." Mac, remember that last game I played with nutella (I'll have to go find the name of it). She tunneled me mercilessly the entire game and finally convinced town to vote me. I was town. In addition, she was town. I think what she said about having trouble reading my tone was an honest take on her part.

SPF: "i do think that you're most likely town, so i'd ask you to keep an open mind and consider switching your vote so that i have more time to towntell & integrate myself into the game." I can't remember who she was talking to but this hit me as town and a fair thing to ask. I think we should give her time past today to do those things.

So, this morning I'm going to ISO nutella and JPIC since they and SPF are the wagons. (I've already decided I'm not voting SPF today unless there is something very damning from someone who reads her as wolf.) I have to take a little time right now to do some work but I will return late morning/early afternoon and also give you all a reads list.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 am Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:44 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:22 am ok i have to sleep i’m so tired here have a list

town:
mac
tutuu
alison

town lean:
odd
tim
spf
dizzy
wilgy
poison
radishes
dya
herm
samu

idk/poe/whatever:
nanook
nut
ted
sprit
colin
fallen/jules
lc
jpic

This looks like a list of:

My friends
Not my friends but people who’ve quiet or nice
People who are not nice and I dont like how they talk

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:46 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 am Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.

This is a post perfectly structured for someone who rand mafia.

You disapprove?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:54 am Theory towards alison :

If nutella is a wolf, then the wolves aren’t doing anything because they have been busy doing their own thing, solving on their island or being narrowed down on a person at a time.

Or they have said nothing about her.

Or they just don’t have other options to look to.

Don’t dive in wifom until you get the flip. Flip wolves and then discover what a specific flip means.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:03 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:46 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 am Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.

This is a post perfectly structured for someone who rand mafia.

Good take. Still think Wilgy is town by a hair.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:08 am okay i caught up. so like, i’m really still having a hard time caring about this game. i think because alison and mac are doing all the work. they’re lock town to me and i trust that their combined reads are good and i mindmeld on a lot of them. so i’m happy with them leading and calling the shots here. and i don’t feel much need to assert myself for as long as that continues to be true

i’m happy nut has a wagon. i don’t think she’s town. the way she’s making reads and responding to the suspicion on her is very off from her town game. i really have no reservations yeeting her today and her wagon looks clean as hell to me. so we should just yeet her. sorry, nut

i don’t get why spf is being sr. i mean, she could be scum? i’m sure her scum game is as good as tutuu says it is. but i don’t see anything scummy from spf at all. i think she’s been pretty towny. and she’s not a player i’m ever going to yeet D1 because when the player list is smaller and she has more content to work with, her insight will be invaluable and i think she’ll clear herself more definitively. so i have zero interest in going there today

jpic is like... i don’t. i don’t really care about sorting him. gth i say town because he’s really letting his teammates down here if scum and i do think scum probably makes some effort here. but jpic isn’t end gaming. he’s either getting yeeted or vig’d or something at some point if he continues to play this way so i think he just self-resolves

i don’t wanna yeet ted today. i don’t know why. i don’t know how to read him. his scum range is really good ime. but he’s actually doing stuff that seems towny so he can stay

i don’t want to yeet jules today either. if what mac is saying about her is true, he’s correct that she isn’t the kind of player you yeet D1. players who don’t bus and can clear themselves off scum flips are self-resolving. and i have no issues with jules’ posts so far. no reason to jump the gun there

if someone wants thoughts on anyone else, just ping me and ask

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:26 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:15 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:08 am okay i caught up. so like, i’m really still having a hard time caring about this game. i think because alison and mac are doing all the work. they’re lock town to me and i trust that their combined reads are good and i mindmeld on a lot of them. so i’m happy with them leading and calling the shots here. and i don’t feel much need to assert myself for as long as that continues to be true

i’m happy nut has a wagon. i don’t think she’s town. the way she’s making reads and responding to the suspicion on her is very off from her town game. i really have no reservations yeeting her today and her wagon looks clean as hell to me. so we should just yeet her. sorry, nut

i don’t get why spf is being sr. i mean, she could be scum? i’m sure her scum game is as good as tutuu says it is. but i don’t see anything scummy from spf at all. i think she’s been pretty towny. and she’s not a player i’m ever going to yeet D1 because when the player list is smaller and she has more content to work with, her insight will be invaluable and i think she’ll clear herself more definitively. so i have zero interest in going there today

jpic is like... i don’t. i don’t really care about sorting him. gth i say town because he’s really letting his teammates down here if scum and i do think scum probably makes some effort here. but jpic isn’t end gaming. he’s either getting yeeted or vig’d or something at some point if he continues to play this way so i think he just self-resolves

i don’t wanna yeet ted today. i don’t know why. i don’t know how to read him. his scum range is really good ime. but he’s actually doing stuff that seems towny so he can stay

i don’t want to yeet jules today either. if what mac is saying about her is true, he’s correct that she isn’t the kind of player you yeet D1. players who don’t bus and can clear themselves off scum flips are self-resolving. and i have no issues with jules’ posts so far. no reason to jump the gun there

if someone wants thoughts on anyone else, just ping me and ask

I want a Radishes meta read.

i don’t know if i can explain it concisely. basically i feel like when he’s scum he gets into the game awkwardly. whereas when he’s town he has the too cool for school attitude and doesn’t really try to get into the game until he feels like it’s worth it to him. i don’t know if i’m explaining this well, and tbf it’s based on a pretty limited sample size

he also had posts i thought looked towny for him. i can grab them if you want

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:45 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:39 pm Secretly I think Sprit may be reading this game better than anyone else.

Or maybe that's not right. But I do think we've reached a critical mass of town clears for such a large game. Red lights are flashing. A breach has occurred in the outer perimeter. The wolves are in.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm not convinced the happy bouncy totes adorbs crew of Ali-Hally-Tutuu-friend is entirely clean, or maybe rather that the Just-ted-yos getting pushed are anything but independent townies getting boxed out into mischop territory, but also it's too early to worry about such things and I really just want to put these words on record for future cred.

I think I'm supposed to be good at this game but sometimes I wonder who decided that.

i like this post a lot from radishes

i guess i could read it as “scum trying to subvert the town core” but it doesn’t feel that way to me

it feels like a towny sentiment, like more town cautioning ppl as opposed to scum being nefarious. admittedly though, i’m having trouble putting into words exactly why i read it that way as opposed to the scummy interpretation, but maybe someone else who’s better at words can explain

I actually commented on this exact post before and said why I found it townie. The way I'd frame it is like this: Radishes is skeptical about how easy the game is, which is a townie attitude. But he's using that attitude to help town be less complacent, and not to undermine the towncore or fracture the trust between players who've found each other.

That's town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:06 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:58 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:46 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 am Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.

This is a post perfectly structured for someone who rand mafia.

You disapprove?

You feel disapproved?

I do. Perhaps you do tell me why the structuring is that of a rand mafia?

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:35 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:32 pm I have to sleep, anyone want.something fast of me?

What are your opinions of Nanook?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:36 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:32 pm I have to sleep, anyone want.something fast of me?

Oh, you flirt.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:53 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:50 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:36 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:32 pm I have to sleep, anyone want.something fast of me?

Oh, you flirt.

Have i said something sexual?

finally i figure out what this face that samu keeps posting is

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:56 pm wait this is fascianting. samu's emoji isnt part of syndicate's smilies. so how come when he copy pastes it from somewhere else, there is an equivalent from the syndicate? sort of like how u can copy and paste emojis from a site on discord and they still show up even tho u copy pasted pictures and not the :code:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:01 pm i'll be back with more confident wolf reads by D3

glgl I hope EoD will be spicy although I think something terrible is gonna happen, spidey senses

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:12 pm The following players are compatible with Nutella. Everyone else is incompatible. They are in order of compatibility from least to most. The bolded are also independently scummy. The bolded red are independently scummy and also scumread by me.

JPIC
Poison Chan
Radishes
Nook
Herm
Sprityo
Tim

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:14 pm i was hoping like 10 ppl would get killed n1 so i could read less posts

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:14 pm i was hoping like 10 ppl would get killed n1 so i could read less posts

just read less posts

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:34 pm i dont think oddmerta and tim are w/w but oddmerta could be the 3p or something. guy was obv town first few hours of d1 and then he just stopped posting

i dont rly think there are any deep wolves except maybe poison-chan? (and the pink haired girl im bullying)

if we play it like a level 1 game we should win?

so yeet tim, yeet JPIC? i should stop defending JPIC. but he was on the nut wagon. eh. dunno

solution: sheep alison

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:40 pm ISO DrWilgy ctrl f Nut. Again, never mafia.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:39 pm other than extremely pure tone is there any other reason why poison chan couldnt be a deep wolf?

Yes my meta. I cannot be a normal wolf to begin with let alone be deep wolf. It's physically impossible. But you can judge me on your own, I am pretty confident I won't trouble town with my miselims.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:42 pm @tutuu here's my reads if you want to sheep
[Super Town]
Alison
Oddmerta
MacDougall
Master Radishes
tutuu
Poison Chan
Hally
juliets
Samusamu
Dizzy
SPF
dyachei
tedxtr

[I think belongs in supertown but am suspending judgement because I trust my towncore's reads]
Herm


TSP/Colin

[Town]
Wilgy
sprityo

[Upper POE]
Long Con
nanook

[Lower POE]
JPIC

[Dayvig this man immediately]
Timsup2nothin

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:12 pm I have a role that visits people, I visited broseph, not getting more than that

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:57 pm I feel like this game mostly happens when I'm asleep

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:42 pm spf's iso 1st page interactions/mentions of nutella

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:36 pm early townreads are tutuu, alison, and oddmerta

early scumreads are nutella, tim, and spirit

about to do some work but ill be here ~in the moment~ this evening

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:38 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:38 pm Ahhhh spf might be wolfing

I’m actually sad I had to type this out

I liked her early on but I think we might have had similar reactions that catchup post just now

is it cause i sr you?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:38 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:38 pm Ahhhh spf might be wolfing

I’m actually sad I had to type this out

I liked her early on but I think we might have had similar reactions that catchup post just now

is it cause i sr you?

no it's cause your smattering of takes doesn't feel much like the spf I saw in g6 and sf3

that's because my intent was to quickly catch up on the 13+ pages that i missed so that i can be more in the action

also, i don't find you sr'ing me to be scummy, but my problem w/your iso so far is that i've gotten the impression that your focus has been on discrediting townreads moreso than it has been finding town/scum. a lot of the reads you outed felt like you were giving yourself wiggle room to push on people who were being townread

but hey, maybe that's just your playstyle, since i've never actually played w/you until now

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:58 pm if one of spf/hally is a wolf i'd pick spf rn but hmmm

this reaction immediately makes me worried that you are taking advantage of my paranoia on hally to frame us as having to contain one scum

im getting the sense that your playstyle is just something im gonna be paranoid about tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:25 pm nutella - this might just be a playstyle difference but i have not loved her reads or her tone yet. a lot of her posts feel hedgy. i don't always see how she goes from point a to point b in her reads. eh. gth scum

first 2 posts are fine

in the next 3 posts theres hedgyness:
"but hey, maybe that's just your playstyle, since i've never actually played w/you until now"
"im getting the sense that your playstyle is just something im gonna be paranoid about tbh"
"nutella - this might just be a playstyle difference but i have not loved her reads or her tone yet. a lot of her posts feel hedgy. i don't always see how she goes from point a to point b in her reads. eh. gth scum"

doesnt mean its scummy. towns are sometimes uncertain of their reads. but like i guess my point is that i dont think this can't be w/w

2nd page of iso and interactions with nutella:

i dont wanna quote them all but the first few are all fine/towny

here are the ones i dislike:

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:39 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:15 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:14 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:31 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:26 pm just realized that juliet replaced into fallen prince. i would gth scumread her and i dont feel like explaining why rn

Let's not play this game.

I think juliets is just town. Catchup was good. Nothing amazingly standout but had a thread of town purity to it. I'm not going to gamble my life savings on this read, but she's done a good job redeeming the slot.

SPF is like, there are some reasons to read her town, but the energy hasn't come back yet and the un-asked for GTH is slightly scummy in a vacuum unless there's meta there. (Town just does whatever, scum feels more of a need to pigeonhole their reads so they can remember what those reads are and act in accordance to them. It simplifies matters for them when their goal is play-acting out the reads.) Let's say... still in the POE, but near the top of it.

Will catch up more as I go.

(hehe 1610)

yeah the gth thing is definitely a significant part of what set me off about spf. didn't feel natural to me

why dont u hop on her wagon

sure why not

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

pretty wacky of you to join my counterwagon immediately after i suggest that im okay with lynching you

also pretty wacky that you join a counterwagon that already has 2 votes when there's four votes on you

the bolded felt a bit nitpicky / dont rly understand why would spf say that as a reason to scumread nutella. felt to me like scum w/w filler. spf did adress this with

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:51 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:50 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 am like what is wacky about me voting for someone i've stated concerns with, and what is wacky about changing my vote from a lone non-wagon to someone that literally my two top townreads are voting for lol

i will agree that this line from spf "also pretty wacky that you join a counterwagon that already has 2 votes when there's four votes on you" was odd. idk why these numbers matter (2 and 4)

im pointing out that fmpov it looked like nutella was opportunistically joining an already existing wagon for the purpose of self-preservation

but like, thats fine for the first line "pretty wacky of you to join my counterwagon immediately after i suggest that im okay with lynching you "

but its not rly an explanation imo for the second line "also pretty wacky that you join a counterwagon that already has 2 votes when there's four votes on you"

maybe its also nitpicky of me to insist so much about this line when my argument is to the line itself was nitpicky (2 vote vs 4 votes on wagons) but i guess i didnt perceive spf as a nitpicky player / player who wastes her posts like i waste mine?

some more i dislike:

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:44 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:33 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:14 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:31 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:26 pm just realized that juliet replaced into fallen prince. i would gth scumread her and i dont feel like explaining why rn

Let's not play this game.

I think juliets is just town. Catchup was good. Nothing amazingly standout but had a thread of town purity to it. I'm not going to gamble my life savings on this read, but she's done a good job redeeming the slot.

SPF is like, there are some reasons to read her town, but the energy hasn't come back yet and the un-asked for GTH is slightly scummy in a vacuum unless there's meta there. (Town just does whatever, scum feels more of a need to pigeonhole their reads so they can remember what those reads are and act in accordance to them. It simplifies matters for them when their goal is play-acting out the reads.) Let's say... still in the POE, but near the top of it.

Will catch up more as I go.

(hehe 1610)

yeah the gth thing is definitely a significant part of what set me off about spf. didn't feel natural to me

why did you not mention or point that out until right now if this is the case?

I....thought I did? but maybe I'm mixing up your gth post with a different catchup post that I disliked first and never specified disliking the gth one as well

i am p sure that you did not but feel free to correct me if im wrong

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:49 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:39 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:15 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:14 am

(hehe 1610)

yeah the gth thing is definitely a significant part of what set me off about spf. didn't feel natural to me

why dont u hop on her wagon

sure why not

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

pretty wacky of you to join my counterwagon immediately after i suggest that im okay with lynching you

also pretty wacky that you join a counterwagon that already has 2 votes when there's four votes on you

I hadn't even seen your post about me yet, totally unrelated

and sure it's nice, I'd like to not die d1

sure, i'm just skeptical of your intentions because of how vague/unclear your read has been on me and how it seemed to grow stronger when you needed someone to counterwagon

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:54 am @nutella -

do you have any specific grievances with those posts other than feeling that they are "manufactured"? i don't want to lock myself into a push against you if you are town but i cant really do all that much with vague reads like that

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:24 pm every time i try to genuinely read nutella she outs another bad read like "spf and juliets are mafia" and ive lost the sympathy i had for her

I....thought I did? but maybe I'm mixing up your gth post with a different catchup post that I disliked first and never specified disliking the gth one as well (this is from nutella not spf)

sure, i'm just skeptical of your intentions because of how vague/unclear your read has been on me and how it seemed to grow stronger when you needed someone to counterwagon (this isnt a vague line by itself, but yea their interaction has been vague

do you have any specific grievances with those posts other than feeling that they are "manufactured"? i don't want to lock myself into a push against you if you are town but i cant really do all that much with vague reads like that

every time i try to genuinely read nutella she outs another bad read like "spf and juliets are mafia" and ive lost the sympathy i had for her (for this last line i felt a bit over the top? "ive lost sympathy for her" - a bit too strong language to say for a scumread in a mafia game? so i thought w/w, dunno

just feel kinda hedgy. her treatment and nutella. its like (in my subjective opinion) neither of them is rly committing to a push on the other one, and they keep saying "idk u could be town buuuut"

tl;dr in the next post for ppl who dont wanna read the whole thing, sorry for formatting but its rly hard with such gigantic quote walls

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:45 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:40 pm Waaaaaasaaaaaa dudes as i said i'm here!!?

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:57 pm I feel like this game mostly happens when I'm asleep

To me is when i'm working mostly but also sleeping in the eod.

Do anyone summarize the case on spirityo to me?

There was a party at Mac's place and someone postcapped him so it seems pretty sure there was a a wolf party crasher.

Hally reported on who was there and seems unlikely to be the wolf for about a zillion reasons.

JPIC claims he was just cop checking Mac. While the claim seems fubious even Mac has suggested the mechanically correct course is to test JPIC rather than chop him.

Nanook claims to just have a weird "go look for the NK, if you find it get an extra vote" power. This seems to me to be somewhat credible explanation for him being at Mac's.

The only remaining candidate is Sprityo. When asked for a good reason for having visited Mac he basically said "piss off, I'm not telling." <shrug>

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:20 pm Anyone pushing any agenda that contains mafia trying to dodge watcher/tracker is at best reaching massively, at worst intentionally misunderstanding the gamestate. The mafia would have no idea that there's a watcher role in this game and if you have no idea you just play your role straight. I have played a lot of games and unless the game is open or we have confirmation of watcher we never, ever think to watcher dodge. That role is very rare.

Also I think the nature of Nook/JPIC/Sprityo's claims indicate that they were unaware that town investigatives have roleclaim restrictions, which means it's even more likely they have no clue about the nature of the town power in this game at least on night 1.

Tutuu is spending more time actively working against the agenda that town are trying to push than actually making any insightful solving content and has been doing it since about mid day 1. Despite having me lock town she has in essence been in lockstep with Tim trying to discredit my tactics and argue with all my pushes. If there is a deepwolf with this POE it's very, very likely her.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:58 pm Let's exe sprityo today, I'll make up my mind on how to handle Tim later.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:24 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:58 pm Let's exe sprityo today, I'll make up my mind on how to handle Tim later.

If the majority is reached, it is closed earlier in the day?

I need some time to read everything and catch up before day 3 starts without me knowing it.

I'm also quite lazy about getting on the spirityo case and I don't mind being sheeped on this particular day 2.

Tomorrow I'd like to review my case on drwilgy as it has totally ignored my answer, I still have the illusion of moving a lynch mainly organized by me this game.

i don’t think there’s majority in this game? i don’t recall the op saying that

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:28 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:26 pm I have realized that Tony Stark is voting to dya and voting with dya to nanook.

Pretty dead votes.

Also dont like the votes of poison, tim and drwilgy

I dont see tuutuu as deepwolf as mac said, but yes poison.

Tim and drwilgy are totally openwolfing

What do you not like about these votes?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:28 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:26 pm I have realized that Tony Stark is voting to dya and voting with dya to nanook.

Pretty dead votes.

Also dont like the votes of poison, tim and drwilgy

I dont see tuutuu as deepwolf as mac said, but yes poison.

Tim and drwilgy are totally openwolfing

What do you not like about these votes?

You and dr wilgy probably are with your votes outside the main wagons to have mobility capacity in case spirityo is a town or you are simply trying to initiate independent pushes to lynch outside Tim or spirityo.

Poison may be trying the same situation from a more comfortable position such as deepwolf. Meh.

That makes me think that one of the two wagons is definitely mafia and it's practically very reliable to say that the remaining wagon is too.

I'm going to ask you some questions.

Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?

And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:50 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:28 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:26 pm I have realized that Tony Stark is voting to dya and voting with dya to nanook.

Pretty dead votes.

Also dont like the votes of poison, tim and drwilgy

I dont see tuutuu as deepwolf as mac said, but yes poison.

Tim and drwilgy are totally openwolfing

What do you not like about these votes?

You and dr wilgy probably are with your votes outside the main wagons to have mobility capacity in case spirityo is a town or you are simply trying to initiate independent pushes to lynch outside Tim or spirityo.

Poison may be trying the same situation from a more comfortable position such as deepwolf. Meh.

That makes me think that one of the two wagons is definitely mafia and it's practically very reliable to say that the remaining wagon is too.

I'm going to ask you some questions.

Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?

And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for?

Before I get to your questions...which are hard because I really haven't thought about them...I can think of a very good reason why I might be inclined to prefer the chop being outside of me and Sprityo...particularly if it isn't Sprityo. I assume you can guess what that reason is. That's why I find your "not liking" where my second vote is to be a bit weird.

Anyway...

"Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?"

Since "the people being voted for are me and Sprityo if you don't wanna vote Sprityo with me I'd rather you not vote at all, vote a couple vanity wagons, vote yourself, vote Sloonei...whatever.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?"

Tough one. I'll go with: among the people being voted for I'd rather your vote was not on me.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?"

I think JPIC should self resolve so chopping him is a waste of town KP before he does, so don't vote there.

"And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for? "

This may be an unfortunate answer, but I am unlikely to day you are mafia based on where you put your votes under the circumstances. I think one should be on Sprityo, and the other should be parked somewhere reasonably harmless, but I'm not gonna say that not agreeing on that would make you a wolf.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:20 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:50 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:28 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:26 pm I have realized that Tony Stark is voting to dya and voting with dya to nanook.

Pretty dead votes.

Also dont like the votes of poison, tim and drwilgy

I dont see tuutuu as deepwolf as mac said, but yes poison.

Tim and drwilgy are totally openwolfing

What do you not like about these votes?

You and dr wilgy probably are with your votes outside the main wagons to have mobility capacity in case spirityo is a town or you are simply trying to initiate independent pushes to lynch outside Tim or spirityo.

Poison may be trying the same situation from a more comfortable position such as deepwolf. Meh.

That makes me think that one of the two wagons is definitely mafia and it's practically very reliable to say that the remaining wagon is too.

I'm going to ask you some questions.

Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?

And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for?

Before I get to your questions...which are hard because I really haven't thought about them...I can think of a very good reason why I might be inclined to prefer the chop being outside of me and Sprityo...particularly if it isn't Sprityo. I assume you can guess what that reason is. That's why I find your "not liking" where my second vote is to be a bit weird.

Anyway...

"Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?"

Since "the people being voted for are me and Sprityo if you don't wanna vote Sprityo with me I'd rather you not vote at all, vote a couple vanity wagons, vote yourself, vote Sloonei...whatever.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?"

Tough one. I'll go with: among the people being voted for I'd rather your vote was not on me.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?"

I think JPIC should self resolve so chopping him is a waste of town KP before he does, so don't vote there.

"And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for? "

This may be an unfortunate answer, but I am unlikely to day you are mafia based on where you put your votes under the circumstances. I think one should be on Sprityo, and the other should be parked somewhere reasonably harmless, but I'm not gonna say that not agreeing on that would make you a wolf.

I was doing a bad case cause i dont know the two.votes condition. But i am.thankfull thar i ask you that questions cause a bad reason.

Sometimes bad reasons carry to.good things.

I dont like the first inconclusive answer.

Second is a easy wifom answer.

I can see in third your thought that is similar to.mac. but no totally agree with that but it is more personal than something thar would define a role. Some credit.

Fourth and the bait, What do you think, or rather, what readings do you have of the players who have their vote somewhere harmless?

This is difficult to sort, because of Sloonei saying that the second vote HAS TO BE cast. For me, I really think Sprityo is the best chop, so I am inclined to put my second vote somewhere harmless. For people who think "well, I would happily chop Sprityo or Tim" it would seem obvious to put their two votes on the two of us. For people who think "well, one of the people visiting Mac was a wolf and I can't decide between Sprit and Nanook" it would make sense for them to just vote both and let others decide.

I think people with two votes they have to cast parking BOTH of them out in the vanity wagon wilderness would be pretty suspect.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:36 pm Tim, honestly, there are around 6 people at EoD that voted for you when doubt on nutella was being cast.

The fact that you're going at the same person instead of looking at the others is very off-putting. If you're town, your perspective means a lot if you can tunnel the voters on you.

It's so easy that the fact you're not doing it is concerning.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:38 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:55 pm Also didnt readed if he is only openwolfing

Who is openwolfing?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:59 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:20 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:50 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:28 pm

What do you not like about these votes?

You and dr wilgy probably are with your votes outside the main wagons to have mobility capacity in case spirityo is a town or you are simply trying to initiate independent pushes to lynch outside Tim or spirityo.

Poison may be trying the same situation from a more comfortable position such as deepwolf. Meh.

That makes me think that one of the two wagons is definitely mafia and it's practically very reliable to say that the remaining wagon is too.

I'm going to ask you some questions.

Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?

Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?

And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for?

Before I get to your questions...which are hard because I really haven't thought about them...I can think of a very good reason why I might be inclined to prefer the chop being outside of me and Sprityo...particularly if it isn't Sprityo. I assume you can guess what that reason is. That's why I find your "not liking" where my second vote is to be a bit weird.

Anyway...

"Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?"

Since "the people being voted for are me and Sprityo if you don't wanna vote Sprityo with me I'd rather you not vote at all, vote a couple vanity wagons, vote yourself, vote Sloonei...whatever.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?"

Tough one. I'll go with: among the people being voted for I'd rather your vote was not on me.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?"

I think JPIC should self resolve so chopping him is a waste of town KP before he does, so don't vote there.

"And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for? "

This may be an unfortunate answer, but I am unlikely to day you are mafia based on where you put your votes under the circumstances. I think one should be on Sprityo, and the other should be parked somewhere reasonably harmless, but I'm not gonna say that not agreeing on that would make you a wolf.

I was doing a bad case cause i dont know the two.votes condition. But i am.thankfull thar i ask you that questions cause a bad reason.

Sometimes bad reasons carry to.good things.

I dont like the first inconclusive answer.

Second is a easy wifom answer.

I can see in third your thought that is similar to.mac. but no totally agree with that but it is more personal than something thar would define a role. Some credit.

Fourth and the bait, What do you think, or rather, what readings do you have of the players who have their vote somewhere harmless?

This is difficult to sort, because of Sloonei saying that the second vote HAS TO BE cast. For me, I really think Sprityo is the best chop, so I am inclined to put my second vote somewhere harmless. For people who think "well, I would happily chop Sprityo or Tim" it would seem obvious to put their two votes on the two of us. For people who think "well, one of the people visiting Mac was a wolf and I can't decide between Sprit and Nanook" it would make sense for them to just vote both and let others decide.

I think people with two votes they have to cast parking BOTH of them out in the vanity wagon wilderness would be pretty suspect.

It's impossible to me to not have a poe or a list of 2-3 scums to lynch this day, without the mac's visitors.

Sorry but i cant follow that thought of yours, sounds scummy to me.

What, why does that sound scummy? Surely the mechanically correct play is to let the cop survive?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:35 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:49 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:59 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:20 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:50 pm

Before I get to your questions...which are hard because I really haven't thought about them...I can think of a very good reason why I might be inclined to prefer the chop being outside of me and Sprityo...particularly if it isn't Sprityo. I assume you can guess what that reason is. That's why I find your "not liking" where my second vote is to be a bit weird.

Anyway...

"Where would you like my vote to be among the people who are being voted for except for the one you are voting for?"

Since "the people being voted for are me and Sprityo if you don't wanna vote Sprityo with me I'd rather you not vote at all, vote a couple vanity wagons, vote yourself, vote Sloonei...whatever.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for?"

Tough one. I'll go with: among the people being voted for I'd rather your vote was not on me.

"Where would you not like my vote to be among the people being voted for (multiple answers apply here)?"

I think JPIC should self resolve so chopping him is a waste of town KP before he does, so don't vote there.

"And most importantly, where would you say Samu is mafia based on his vote if it is putted in the people being voted for? "

This may be an unfortunate answer, but I am unlikely to day you are mafia based on where you put your votes under the circumstances. I think one should be on Sprityo, and the other should be parked somewhere reasonably harmless, but I'm not gonna say that not agreeing on that would make you a wolf.

I was doing a bad case cause i dont know the two.votes condition. But i am.thankfull thar i ask you that questions cause a bad reason.

Sometimes bad reasons carry to.good things.

I dont like the first inconclusive answer.

Second is a easy wifom answer.

I can see in third your thought that is similar to.mac. but no totally agree with that but it is more personal than something thar would define a role. Some credit.

Fourth and the bait, What do you think, or rather, what readings do you have of the players who have their vote somewhere harmless?

This is difficult to sort, because of Sloonei saying that the second vote HAS TO BE cast. For me, I really think Sprityo is the best chop, so I am inclined to put my second vote somewhere harmless. For people who think "well, I would happily chop Sprityo or Tim" it would seem obvious to put their two votes on the two of us. For people who think "well, one of the people visiting Mac was a wolf and I can't decide between Sprit and Nanook" it would make sense for them to just vote both and let others decide.

I think people with two votes they have to cast parking BOTH of them out in the vanity wagon wilderness would be pretty suspect.

It's impossible to me to not have a poe or a list of 2-3 scums to lynch this day, without the mac's visitors.

Sorry but i cant follow that thought of yours, sounds scummy to me.

What, why does that sound scummy? Surely the mechanically correct play is to let the cop survive?

Nono, i think i didnt saíd that part was scummy

Ok, I might have misunderstood. What were you trying to say was scummy because I don't get it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:47 pm 1. Alison - Straight cop that mafia discover who they targeted - N1 targeted TSP and got delayed (stuck in a lift) got result n2 (town), targeted Nook n2 (town)
2. TonyStarkPrime (Replaced ColinIsCool Night 1) - Claims 1 shot vigilante, x shot doctor. Targeted Hally (fail), targeted JPIC (hit?)
3. DrWilgy - Tracker if he votes on mafia, randomised receives the amount of players who target someone if votes on town
4. dyachei - Also a tracker
5. Dyslexicon - No claim
6. juliets (Replaced Fallen Prince Day 1) - X shot protection from non lethal non town actions - Targeted Alison n1, holstered n2
7. Hally - CONFIRMED - Town watcher, targeted Mac N1 - Destroyed the mafia
8. Herm - Song cop (looks through album names to see if there are scum on the album)
9. Justplayingitcool - CONFIRMED - Mafia post capper
10. Long Con - Three times during game can target a player to stop them voting for him (but he also can't vote them)
11. MacDougall - Banned from claiming
12. Master Radishes - Claimed to be able to use dead PR, targeted Alison n1 with Nutella's doctor
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Targets potential NKs to get an extra vote. Targeted Mac n1 and didn't get a vote. Has a cop clear.
14. Oddmerta - No claim but has softed a bit (vig, cop)
15. Poison Chan - No explicit claim but outed the mafia has a rolecop named nude and also outed that "Radishes is lying"
16. Samusamu - No claim
17. sprityo - CONFIRMED - Mafia multiple role asshole
18. staypositivefriend - Banned from claiming
19. tedxtr - Claimed to have night kills, no confirmation on actions
20. Timsup2nothin - Claims to have role that modifies depending on the balance of the game
21. tutuu - Doctor that also delays night actions for a day

Only claims left are @Dyslexicon and @Samusamu. Some elaboration from Dyachei and Poison Chan is also welcome.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:04 pm How do we do ctrl + f on phone?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:56 am It's all rather absurd in light of the long term plan anyway. Wilgy's role in said plan is unimportant. If you want to chop him then everything I said that implies to auto solving him also applies to any number of other people. Ultimately we have a narrow pool and should just vote whoever we want in it. The mafia don't even have enough votes to push it any specific way as long as we go through our motions and eventually line up onto a wagon.

I am sure one or both of @Dyslexicon and @Samusamu show up at some point and townclear themselves here anyway.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:16 pm Voyeur but with songs... so you target a song and figure out what abilities the role card associated with that song has?