The Syndicate

Draconus wrote:Yay game!

Buzz is bad, but not in this game apparently.

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

Is this because I looked through your private stuff? I mean, seriously, no clothes on anybody in these magazines? Sickening.

Matt wrote:I kept seein' this in sign ups and wanted to play but with work and two other games I had to pass. But for your viewing pleasure...

R.I.P Matt and Culkin's life. Also, not watching that.

I think he has a brother named Kieran who shows up more in movies these days. He made a decent Wallace in the what otherwise sucked all kinds of ass Scott Pilgrim and he was recently on the second season of Fargo, too.

I'm surprised how little I remember much of anything about these movies. Must be called adulthood. Whatever happened to the non-Pesci guy, ever since?

thellama73 wrote:Hi everybody! Why does Scotty hate Kevin? Is he a baddie?

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

DrWilgy wrote:MM is my friend but we must duel to the death, so him

PULL

Scotty wrote: Whaaaaaa? A game in which you and MM don't declare teammates on each other? Blashpemy.

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Even if I were implying as such, why vote Buzz? He's still part of the family. We really should be voting all the Kevin claimers. And there's a lot of them. What good has Kevin ever done for the family?

Say, I bet you want to find your tarantula in one piece, when you come back home, don't ya?

Long Con wrote:I have basically the same answer, my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now. I will say that I'm not voting him for some fishing ploy. He's my slightly-greater-than-zero-information top suspect.

DrWilgy wrote:Lol, why did I ping? I am MM's friend this is true, but we must fight to the death for the greater good. Only one shall be left standing!

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Same question as to llama. Any reason to suspect Scotty for foul claiming?

It's way too early for me to say I really suspect Scotty. I was just testing his response.

Thanks for the clarification.

@LC - I too am interested in why you would like to withhold information.

@Scotty - I can understand not wanting to be lynched Day 1, but what specific ""reasons"" do you have and why do you put that in quotes?

Also, like Scotty, I will be hosting a dinner party this evening and will be unavailable EoD. I have to vote around 4pm, so let's get talking people.

Are we attending the same dinner party?

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote: I still don't like Wilgy's vote for MM, and I especially don't like LC's vote for me.

What about MM's vote for Llama or DF's self-vote?

Ricochet wrote:Thing is, if it is a "Putting my vote out there so I can see the poll", I'm not much of a fan of those.

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy called himself a doctor. But that wasn't true. He was a cop. As he went to the McCallister household to check up on a boy left home alone, he slipped on iced steps and broke his spine.

Then he realized he was the boy who lived at that house. Being alone for so long had consequences on his mind.

"Plain cheese pizza," were his last words.

DrWilgy has been lynched. He was Kevin McCallister. It is now Night 1.

Ricochet wrote:...ok. I guess that makes the issue of Wilgy having peeked MM and having gotten a red on him open for debate.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Host: Does the Cop receive a random D0 peek? Also, can he receive a D0 peek of any kind or only a civilian one?

4) Kevin will peek before Day 1 begins. On ensuing night periods, the cop may select another player to role-check.

To me, this is effectively: 4) Kevin will gdfhk before Day 1 begins. On ensuing night periods, the cop may select another player to role-check.

sprityo wrote:it was all my fault, i deserve to die next

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

sprityo wrote:it was all my fault, i deserve to die next

You didn't vote for Kevin, so I think you're ok.

You're more like the 112th United States Congress.

(Also I just realized I've been saying your name wrong, my bad! What gender are you, sprityo?)

Psst, it says it under his avatar.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, are you going to make it to Day 2?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Lynch Kevin now tbh, before he kills me.

Enrique wrote:I was originally gonna make a post to explain why I was gonna vote Long Con, but the more I went into it, the more I realized what he's actually saying. I don't think he's withholding any info that the rest of us aren't (which is to say, our roles). Llama laid the bait and it looked like LC was ready to take it to prey on Scotty, but what if he just knew he was fake-claiming?

Right now that's good enough for me. Scotty.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Yay for no death! Perhaps the Doctor protected the right person?

Why Llama, Metalmarsh?

I hope so.

But in case the nightkill was missed, llama was not really around.

Long Con wrote:Well, the thing is, when you're trying to catch the bad guys, it really hinders the strategy when you blurt all your thoughts into the thread right away so that they can read and adapt to what you say. I don't want my suspects taking my thoughts into account when they are posting, because then they could post with the right kind of foreknowledge, saying the things that I so generously supplied the means to say that will make me not suspect them.

Like, I could say "I'm suspicious of the player who goes after Llama today"... and if I said that before you had posted, then maybe you, as a hypothetical baddie, would have posted something different than you did, and my suspicion would be cut off at its base.

I hope this helps you understand why I, in this game and future games, might be inclined to hold back thoughts I have from the thread.

Draconus wrote:

Scotty wrote:Draconus, for finding Enrique suspicious, but would be willing to let him go another day. Why not follow through on your convictions?

Sorry, I thought I specified. I wanted to give him more of a chance because I watched him get lynched Day 1 in Tree Mafia as the cop. You know what, I think I did explain this. Next thing I said was "ironically, I would have voted for Dr. Wilgy, instead" because I'm a nub like that. Doing a bit more reading, but I'll probably have a few more posts soon.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:The pool is way too large right now for an absent Mafia duo theory to hold (or, at least, be the main thing to pursue). Maybe if we catch one of the bandits and then the no activity indication reoccurs, with just one bandit out there. But as of now, you've got, in theory, DFaraday (inactive), sprityo (inactive, connectivity issues), Draconus (sporadic), Llama (infrequent) and Enrique (infrequent). That's half the current field.

I believe a larger pool would make the theory more probable.

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, fair enough. 24-hour days and thread silence doesn't work for that line of thinking, that's true. I think that the Mafia deliberately didn't kill anyone in order to lead us on a wild goose chase against low posters.

I also think that DrWilgy "red peeked" Metalmarsh and voted for him. It's not the strategy that everyone would use, but I think it's logical enough for him to go after MM right away just in case he got nightkilled early, there would then be a record of his info played out in a Day 1 vote, if nothing else. So I'm going to vote Metalmarsh at this time.

Furthermore, it's likely that the other Wet Bandit would try to steer the thread away from focusing on MM, so your post that doesn't suspect him at all follows that logic. So you're my other main suspect at this time.

That's where I'm at right now.

Are these your real or fake thoughts

A little of both, actually.

I know this is anti-civ, but as a civ who thinks you are a civ too, I kind-of want to lynch you for this

Aw, that's sweet, Eloh! Thanks!

thellama73 wrote:I like the way Long Con is thinking this game. Good job, Long Con.

And thank you, Mr Llama. I'm really interested in exploring the use of deception as a Civ in order to coax Mafia into some sort of misplay. I think it gets a bit diluted when people focus too much on it, but hey, I'm just experimenting a little. From now on, I'll only post real thoughts.

sprityo wrote:So reading the thread here's what I become up with:

Longcon and Rico are not aligned. Either that or I don't understand their jumping on each other?

MM is either a bandit and Wilgy was sifting it OR MM was a guess vote since Wilgy did get a guilty on someone else. And who better to guess than your friend?

If all else fails though, MM is just a misplaced town that people jumped on over a speculation that we can't confirm 100%

If anything I'm interested in Scotty.

But I'll got over the thread one more time and probably find things I missed/I said wrong information that I'll need to fix (or yknow you can quote both and show me where I'm wrong)

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

Draconus wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Damn. Sorry, MM.

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

Unfortunately, I feel it could be anyone; the bandits may have even gone different ways. Eloh, you and I were pretty determined to test the red peek. Draco said he'd consider other options just as much, but then I don't even recall him coming back till EoD. As you say, Scotty and llama could have easily distanced: Scotty locked on Enrique pretty quick; Llama could have cooked for us the "I told you so" speech, but right now I'm not feeling it entirely. Sprityo's take on MM was kinda lax and he "took interest" in voting Scotty for unstated reasons. Then there's DFaraday and Enrique, who missed the Day completely.

The way we've been playing, the bandits could have hidden on either of these three paths.

I did consider other options. But the only option that might have saved MM was Enrique, and I felt MM was more likely bad than Enrique. Also, I wanted to give Enrique a chance to live past Day 1 in one of these heists

Draconus wrote:

Scotty wrote:Even more likely is the lack of interest from Mafia, because they weren't active yesterday, or didn't care. DFaraday is going to be my upmost candidate going further. Enrique as well, but I at least know DFaraday has been active in other threads and has not been here since Day 1. Sprityo has made me feel a bit better- I know he's having wifi troubles- but I feel like Mafia could be hiding in the weeds among any of you

You seem very certain that the baddies aren't using their abilities. Why assume this? I feel like pushing non-participants will only whittle down the number of civs. I'm looking at you for this next day.

Elohcin wrote: I suppose after doing these ISOs, even though they were quick and easy, I think DF is probably not bad. I think he seems like a civ who just doesn't care about the game he said he would play. I know this happens. I think Sprityo is more likely to be bad. He is not absent but lying low. He is careful not to give his opinions but only recap.

Draconus wrote:I understand why I look bad to you. I can't really defend my actions/comments more than I already have without sounding like a broken record. But I don't think any of the MM voters are bad. I think LCs point is sound and that we should be looking at everyone else. Easy for me to say, I know, but I believe llama and Scotty are our best bets. I will most likely be voting for one of them in the next Day phase.

Draconus wrote:You seem very certain that the baddies aren't using their abilities. Why assume this?

I think LCs point is sound and that we should be looking at everyone else.

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

Elohcin wrote:Scotty -

37 posts.

Day 0 - Right off the bat, he seems to claim the role of Buzz but could be just joking around since it was Day 0 and because other posts he had on this day were jokey. He acts surprised at Wilgy's vote for MM.

Day 1 - He starts out his first post on this day with the words, "All joking aside." He says he wants to hear from some people and then exclaims that his only ping is Wilgy for voting MM. Does this mean he knows MM was good? Dr. Wilgy's post surely suggest that he and MM were on opposite alignments, but we've found that they were both civ. So I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around what was going on in Wilgy and Scotty's heads at this time.I never know if MM is good or bad, that's always my problem with his gameplay. My ping for Wilgy was in response to how he has acted the past 2 times we played together, where he immediately teamed up with MM. This time he did not, and it threw me off.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:MM is my friend but we must duel to the death, so him

PULL

Whaaaaaa? A game in which you and MM don't declare teammates on each other? Blashpemy.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Lol, why did I ping? I am MM's friend this is true, but we must fight to the death for the greater good. Only one shall be left standing!

Why is that the case?

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Like me, Scotty doesn't understand LC wanting to withhold info.

He thinks DF vote for himself is just a placeholder but says if DF doesn't come back soon, he might think otherwise.

Is concerned by low posters

Votes Wilgy for being the first on his radar.

Night 1 - Talks mostly about the peek.

Day 2 -
Excited for no death and thinks it's more likely the Doctor has something to do with it than a missed PM.

Thinks withholding info from thread is not a good idea.

Wants to hear from DF, Drac, Sprit, and Llama. But also mentions a suspicion on Enri b/c of a drive by vote and then being absent.

Talks with Drac about Enri.

Has a back and forth with MM a bit about knowing if MM is telling the truth or lying. Then the same with LC and not being able to tell if his post thoughts are true or fake.

Scotty then mentions DF again and wonders why he isn't posting/responding. And he then mentions that he is unsure about his thoughts on MM.

Again says DF is a top suspect b/c he knows he is active elsewhere on the syndicate. Also suspicions of Enri but feels better by Sprit's coming into the thread (even though all he did imo is recap )

Lastly Scotty goes against Drac. He also recaps his suspicions and how they haven't changed much. He says lack of participation is bringing us down.To expand on this, if we don't catch a baddie soon, they have a very good chance to bring us down, because mafia will keep picking apart the talkers. That is my thought process.

Whew, that was a long ISO for me. Um, nothing really elaborately pings me. Scotty seems like a misguided civ maybe. Not that I disagree with all that he has to say, but something things are a little off imo. I don't understand what was going through his mind in the MM/Wilgy situation. I hope I explained that. As I read back through it, if I didn't know better, I would still think the wilgy was trying his hardest to tell us that MM was bad. And that Scotty was unsure of that make me a little unsure of him. But then again, he was the one who was right. So, I don't know. I would love to hear other opinions on this ISO.

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote: I suppose after doing these ISOs, even though they were quick and easy, I think DF is probably not bad. I think he seems like a civ who just doesn't care about the game he said he would play. I know this happens. I think Sprityo is more likely to be bad. He is not absent but lying low. He is careful not to give his opinions but only recap.

You voted for him Day 1 for self-voting, and he never explained his position, so we're just presupposing his intentions at this point. To the lay observer, it would appear he just isn't invested, which is understandable. But it could be the blendiest way to blend as well. It's like saying 'honey, I'm running to the store' and returning home 4 days later sporting a bloody lip, cowboy boots and a cape, while apologizing with, 'sorry I ran into traffic'. And we're supposed to go, 'oh of course, dinner's ready!' Like, I want to believe that he's just busy, but he's still been ACTIVE on the site elsewhere. Like wtf.

Sprityo has started contributing as of day 2, but only the minimal amount, which tells me that he is indeed playing the game, but not to the extent that has laid into anyone. Meaning he hasn't gotten on anyone's bad side as of yet; pretty safe.

I understand what you're saying about DF. I've also seen players sign up and just not play and then turn out to be civs. It really could go either way. If he is really invested in this other game he is playing, maybe he doesn't want o wrap his mind around both. Like I said, could be either or. As for Sprit, don't you think that its weird that he is now getting involved but isn't stating any of his own opinions but only recapping what has gone on like none of the rest of us have been here?

sprityo wrote:Also I forgot I wanted to say this:

Doctor saved someone last night and knows it, and so do Mafia. Or mafia NK'd because ????

sprityo wrote:Scotty is right, in that i havent been in the zone yet (this is a pretty fast paced game tbh, not my norm)

also the Day 0 vote was??? not anything? literally was nothing

and yes holiday season and all, i'm gone literally most the day for snow activities (since yknow it hasnt actually snowed more than 6 inches in texas in the past 10 years or so) Wait wat it's snowing in Texas? That sounds awesome!

also yeah scotty basically summarized what i said in my prior post, essentially.

i mean im not the ONLY person who's not really here yeah? You aren't. You're just one of those that haven't, and you're being lumped slightly into that mold. But I'm saying that I feel better about you than the others who haven't been here at all.

also someone explain to me why they want enrique is getting some flak because i literally cant see anything besides he made one post and he just has been gone since then?

let me see: yeah no, out of the two posts he made, there is like zero info besides glancing at Scotty and LC.

also i'd like to bring up:

sprityo wrote: MM is either a bandit and Wilgy was sifting it OR MM was a guess vote since Wilgy did get a guilty on someone else. And who better to guess than your friend?

preview edit: ouch scotty that hurt.

Speculating isnt my strong suit. what i dont get is you attacking me, for what information i can give? like why so aggro on me? I forget that we haven't played a game together, and so I apologize if I come off as attacky. It's not meant to be an attack, more of a prod. I'm sorry if it felt like that

thellama73 wrote:Will you guys listen to me and vote for Enrique now?

Long Con wrote:You agree with Llama about Enrique?

thellama73 wrote:Elohcin is probably bad too. Voted for MM and had a crazy insincere "oh I wonder why anyone would kill Rico" post.

Longcon and Rico are not aligned. Either that or I don't understand their jumping on each other?

sprityo wrote: @scotty, your niceties have softened my opinion.

Also it isn't snowing in Texas I think, we drove to New Mexico

If anything I'm interested in Scotty.

Ricochet wrote:It's oh so quiet shhh shhh

sprityo wrote:As an actual question, scotty, if I asked you if you were buzz, would you be willing to answer?

Also (ahh these days are so short!)