The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?
You guys really like names don't you.
Yes. Why make an accusation if it's not really directed at anyone?
Because the point was not to make an accusation. It was to defend Epi.

Anyway, once i'm catch up I'll humor you. I'll give the list of everyone who gave me that feeling. Just don't expect me to have reads on them. Not my style.
But your defense of Epi implies that other players are being shady. You can't have the defense without any accusations.
If there is a horde of players being shady I can guess some of them are bad but I don't know which ones.

I'm still not seeing any names.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

How do you feel about each of us now?

Why was Epi's behavior buddying as opposed to anything else?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:34 pm @Sloonei do you have any idea what your most active (by post count) mafia-aligned game has been on a forum that isn't deleted?

Either Street Fighter or the Champs game. Slim pickings.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:51 pm Is that Bill Clinton with a syringe in his dick?

A Bill Clinton corkscrew. For opening bottles and such.

Of the active folks, I feel like one of Long Con or Jack is being less than honest. I don't say that as if there's a relationship between the two of them that indicates one should be bad, but I feel like I've been getting hung up on more of their posts than anyone else in the game, and that doesn't usually sit well with me.

DDL is my top suspect. I didn't love the way he handled my brief interrogation of him earlier. He seemed resistant to the idea of sharing ideas.

Then there's quiet people. I'd forget sig was playing if his name wasn't on the poll.

I'm also interested what people think of elohcin. She's seems more involved than usual, I never know how to read her so I don't know how to read this version of her.

K2 is somebody who knows how to handle a semicolon.

i'm voting for ddl

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:25 am My concern with the above is that while Sloonei likes to throw around his votes early and often, he didn't put one on Epi despite essentially declaring him a worthwhile Day 1 lynch candidate. I asked him about that and he danced around that point and told me about how he decides where his final vote of the Day would be made.

He mentioned that Epi already had decent pressure on him at the time, which is basically the response I'd expect from a civilian Sloonei, but since it wasn't his initial response to me it doesn't hold as much weight.

I don't know what his mafia motivation for this is, though.

I was confused by your line of questioning. If you'd been more direct, I would have given a more direct answer.

Changed my vote to jack

Now I'm voting for elohcin.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:35 am Changed my vote to jack
Why?
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:09 pm Now I'm voting for elohcin.
Why?

I voted for you because we seem to be operating under different mindsets this game, and in particular I never saw a very reasoned defense of your vote for nutella. As I saw it, you just kind of plucked a few posts out of her ISO and labelled them "lazy" and thus "scummy", and then a bandwagon ensued. I'm not seeing the light on any of your arguments yet.

I voted for Eloh because I think she's somebody worth talking about. No one's done that yet. Got any thoughts?

For the record, I town read DDL for the emotion in this post alone.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:16 am While I totally agree, I'm more a consistency play style kinda gyal. So while I intend to use that in my game here, it's only going to come out a bit later as I can only reference pass days for consistency. I'm also not too worried about dying so, i'll be here for a bit.

Do you have any questions for us about anything going on here?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 am Oh!

Re: Jimmy attacking Sig

Not fair to compare early pirates Sig to late pirates Sig and then contrast early pirates Sig with Sig here cause he got real busy irl. I want to hear more from Sig and won't give him a pass all game but still. Not a fair comparison imo.

Jack really stuck his neck out for sig here. I have a hard time envisioning a scum player going so far out of their way to offer such a glaring defense of a partner (unless it's for WIFOM points), but I also can't shake the feeling of there being something unnatural to this defense by Jack.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:45 pm I also lean trusting on jack and speed so I like the Nutella lynch

These are the only two solid reads I can find in sprityo's post history, and he uses them indirectly to justify his Day 1 nutella vote. He had previously said he could not find "anything" in nutella's ISO (which I took to mean "anything worth voting for"), but he put a vote on her based on the trust he has in the two people leading the bandwagon against her. He offered some justification for trusting Jack and speedchuck, but I'll need more fleshed out thoughts from sprit if I'm to make a solid judgment on him one way or the other. I don't hate the strategy of defering to trusted players in the absence of strong suspects, but I can also make the argument that he looks shady for avoiding direct responsinility in his own vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:13 pm EBWOP i screwed up pls delete previous post

At the beginning of this page
Sloon wast a unnerving readeth
Now that gent is a beacon of town light
And the glory of a civilian readeth

"A unnerving"?

Tell me which players I've moved aheadeth of.

I won't make you explain old reads right now, Jack. Do you have any new ones that might help instead?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:14 pm I kind of agree with epi on voting a low poster. Other than my suspicion of LC and my slight suspicion of nutella (half the time her posts crack me up and half the time I'm hinking wtf), I do think that the high posters seem to be civ and genuinely trying to help.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:37 pm Elohcin
Mesk514
JaggedJimmyJay
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Kylemii
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
colonialbob
sig
sprityo
Quin
Sloonei
Dom
nutella
Long Con

Dom is the only low poster singled out as a clear suspect. The others are all nondescriptly placed in yellow. And then the claim that "the high posters seem to be civ" is somewhat contradicted by Quin and I being colored orange, and kyle being listed among the neutrals as well. You think this computes over here?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.
Why am I on the same end as Epi and the opposite end of LC?
This... is a darn good question.
Is it?

You said you'd be willing to answer questions.

I'm interested in Eloh's nutella read as well.

My vote is remaining on Elohcin.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?

I find it unlikely that all if the scum can be found among the talkative folks.
I'm not advocating a lynch of a low poster without exhausting all our other options first.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:18 pm Why is lynching a low poster being considered today?
I find it unlikely that all if the scum can be found among the talkative folks.
I'm not advocating a lynch of a low poster without exhausting all our other options first.
I'll never understand this mentality. Worst thing about it is that it always seems to be the case.

I am applying it specifically to this game, not generally about all mafia games. I look around and I'm getting more town vibes than scum vibes from the activity in the thread. We've got a big pocket of inactive players, so I am wary of them.

RE: Jay, I am taking everything he says right now with a grain of salt because of this post right here:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:20 pm Hey gang. I've followed the game pretty closely so far and will puke up some perspectives/hot takes/sick, nasty content after class.

Any reads that he shares will be ideas that he conceived of prior to entering the game, so they will not be indicative of his alignment upon entry. They just show what he was thinking as a neutral observer.

He prodded me about my past activity as scum, which at least showed an active interest in doing further work, but that's all I've got on him so far.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 pm I didn't even realise it was Thanksgiving.

ungrateful honky

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.
Why?

Should it not be?

I've totally nailed bad boy Jay before. Once, three years ago.

I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:19 pm @Sloonei

DDL has moved into top scum read.

A good chunk of me wants to give Epi another chance cause I secretly love him and cause lots of people have called the buddying theory wrong. Part of me does not because I'm still not seeing much hunting. I am seeing strong mechanic analysis that reminds me of good Epi breaking open ASOUE so there's that.

Mostly, DDL feels frazzled. His reads are coming in half baked. He's too concerned with how he looks (for DDL). Part of me remembers his postgane Pirates comment and thinks he's suffering from the same self doubt. If that's the case, I would feel bad lynching him. But I want to cause he seems bad.

Your thoughts on DDL's game from a DDL meta perspective?

DDL was my top scum read coming into the day but this post was too emotionally raw for me to read it as false. I'd still be open to evaluating him and we could all probably benefit from interrogating him a little more.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.
Why?
Should it not be?
You just answered a question with a useless question, turning it around on me.

I've been specifically waiting for you to weigh in on her.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:43 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.
@Epignosis what do you think about this?
It's ignorant.

How so?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:39 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:45 pm I also lean trusting on jack and speed so I like the Nutella lynch
These are the only two solid reads I can find in sprityo's post history, and he uses them indirectly to justify his Day 1 nutella vote. He had previously said he could not find "anything" in nutella's ISO (which I took to mean "anything worth voting for"), but he put a vote on her based on the trust he has in the two people leading the bandwagon against her. He offered some justification for trusting Jack and speedchuck, but I'll need more fleshed out thoughts from sprit if I'm to make a solid judgment on him one way or the other. I don't hate the strategy of defering to trusted players in the absence of strong suspects, but I can also make the argument that he looks shady for avoiding direct responsinility in his own vote.
I’ve been playing this game on the back burner since there’s been lots of content generated in these first couple days.

I don’t like you picking at me though, but I get your point. I’m guessing you want more content from myself?

that is always what i want. What do you mean when you say you don't like me picking at you?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."

Who was I gonna save?
I have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.

I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.
Didn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?

ISO me.
I literally just did. My point still stands.

"I've already said my opinions once so I refuse to think about them more or talk about them again when someone asks" is not a pro town attitude

especially when the person making the request is one of your town reads
g o o f f

jack

what's this mean?

Putting a vote on sprityo because I want to hear from him. I'm going out for a bit, will be back before the deadline.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Uh-huh.

You negated my BTSC theory, but I still see in-thread evidence that coild to against her. In the absence of strong suspects, I'm not eliminating her from suspicion.

In the absence of strong suspects, I can get behind the idea of lynchig a low poster.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:53 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:39 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:45 pm I also lean trusting on jack and speed so I like the Nutella lynch
These are the only two solid reads I can find in sprityo's post history, and he uses them indirectly to justify his Day 1 nutella vote. He had previously said he could not find "anything" in nutella's ISO (which I took to mean "anything worth voting for"), but he put a vote on her based on the trust he has in the two people leading the bandwagon against her. He offered some justification for trusting Jack and speedchuck, but I'll need more fleshed out thoughts from sprit if I'm to make a solid judgment on him one way or the other. I don't hate the strategy of defering to trusted players in the absence of strong suspects, but I can also make the argument that he looks shady for avoiding direct responsinility in his own vote.
I’ve been playing this game on the back burner since there’s been lots of content generated in these first couple days.

I don’t like you picking at me though, but I get your point. I’m guessing you want more content from myself?
that is always what i want. What do you mean when you say you don't like me picking at you?
Like the overall tone I got from what you posted was negative sounding in nature, also I didn’t ISO Nutella, I simply just didn’t notice any posts by Nutella in the thread as I read it as something to pop out and grab my attention

I was pointing out reasons you might be suspicious, so my tone was deliberately negative, yeah.
Have you noticed any nutella posts yet?

Lurkers, any of you want to vote for me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:34 pm Lurkers, any of you want to vote for me?
What's the point of this question?

The thread is boring

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:51 pm Let's all lynch JaggedJimmyJay. I would seriously do that right now.

Is there a specific reason for it?

Any takers on my sprityo hunch?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:11 pm Sprityo is in a similar situations on as sig for me, somewhat active and still forgettable

I would consider a vote there. Can you recap your case for me?

It's not so much of a case and more of an inclination. I wasn't crazy about his Day 1 vote (nutella) and he hasn't backed up too strongly when i've prodded him today.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.
immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.
Is this to imply that you were not willing to vote for Elohcin immediately after the initial post in that progression?

I was swayed off the main point of my case on eloh ad cooled off on her in general, so I wanted to focus my attention on another suspect. I was never convinced that Elohcin should be read as town. She was just knocked down from my "top suspect" pedestal.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

@Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.
So then if he was right on all that why did he drop the vote when Epi said the read/case was bad? What made him swap his vote?

This all happened after my vote switch,I think.

Voting for me is a waste of time. Don't do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:34 am I was swayed off the main point of my case on eloh ad cooled off on her in general, so I wanted to focus my attention on another suspect. I was never convinced that Elohcin should be read as town. She was just knocked down from my "top suspect" pedestal.
What do you think of sprityo in the immediate present?
I don't like posts like this one:

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever
Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?
IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

It fails to address any of the (like two) points that have been made against them. It reads as feigned incredulousness... incredulousity? He's acting incredulous, and trying to play it off as if the rudimentary actions of his can't be analyzed beyond their mere existence.
His latest post where he expressed indifference towards his survival does not move me one way or the other. His vote on me suggests some inclination for self-preservation. I don't love it. I've not been convinced that I should move off of him. But if I move my vote to Jack there's a chance that I could save myself. I'm not sure I want to do that though. Why should I lynch Jack?

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