The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:24 am Holy crap my phone almost autocorrected "bad" to "BadJack" lmfaoooo

That's all the proof I need.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:28 am I realize you ask questions Sloonei. So do I. One has to judge a few things about each question:

1 - does the question promote a hunting strategy
2 - does the asker of the question intend to use any answer received for some clearly evident purpose
3 - is the question authentic
4 - is the question necessary

I called your question aimless because I have doubts about #2.

Does this exchange mean anything to you?

The biggest issue to me on Day 4 was Quin/Speedchuck. I wanted to figure it out because I felt, and still feel, that there's meat on that bone. In a game like this one, where I'm not as fully invested as usual, I can't always be on top of every single thing. Sometimes I'll float an idea simply in the hopes that somebody else will latch onto it. My posts reflect my thought process and the questions I've had as this game has gone along.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:03 am I said "insight" instead of "incite", so I deserve any insults coming my way.

Honestly you know what, not even worth responding to that shit ass case anymore.

You keep calling it a “case”

I mean, unless we're just "red" because of quin's hair...

It means I think you’re compatible as mafia teammates. While you’re both alive it’s not really a case. It’s a part of a larger reductive effort.

I should be green across the board.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:44 amWhy tho

Because I believe so.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:55 am That’s the worst read you’ve ever produced on me. Yuck.

let the record show that i called it a "read", not a "case".

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:44 amWhy tho

Because I believe so.

Well Jay doesn't and that's clearly what matters here. Maybe you should volunteer to do a couple interaction analyses, let your voice be heard.




(I'm kidding obviously you can't do your own analysis but you could do some lol)

Normally I'd be all over this shit. But not this weekend. I shouldn't even be here right now, really.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:53 am idk sloon part of me wants to believe you but I just feel like I haven't seen Best Civilian Sloonei in this game. I'm sure that's a lot to live up to especially as a replacement, but even accounting for that it really feels like some key je ne sais quois is missing from your play.

That guy's not showing up this game. I've got too many other things going on.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.

What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.

What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?

Maybe they are not telling the truth about the floo story? I'm not saying I believe this but isn't it possible?

That’s what my question is getting at. If they’re partners, the story is a lie. But they chose to share it and thus linked themselves together in the thread. It seems a little too conspicuous.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 pm Lol wild that Poutanko came out with that "Hey Chuck is bad" post the day INH got rezzed huh what a crazy coincidence my fellows

What are you thinking?

Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 pm [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Before quin?

Kara is now the only one who knows the name of the alleged LC killer.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Orly?

Yes. Do something.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Sloonei, what are you referring to when you say "but after everything happened yesterday"? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

... Quin and Speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Orly?

Yes. Do something.

Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?

... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm Oh I completely forgot about timmer. Yeah he could be bad, damn it.


And poutanko's speed check was allegedly night 1 (but she didn't claim it til day 4)

I don’t think timmer is bad. I’d lean in one of the other directions I suggested.

I’d give more consideration to poutanko as a death eater though.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Orly?

Yes. Do something.

Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?

... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

Assume I didn't read any of that.

Quin claimed to patronus me and timmer.
Speedchuck claims to have watched Quin target LC.
Both of them stuck to their guns and rejected any alternatives other than that the other was lying.
Speedchuck is dead and town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:56 pm Quin and sprityo

Quin's stuff

Spoiler: show

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Nothing whatsoever until a D4 POE list. And that's it.

sprityo's stuff

Spoiler: show

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:41 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:55 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.

sprityo what do you think about the speed vs. Quin debate?

That’s a debate? I didn’t recognize that was a thing

sprityo implied he was unaware of the Quin vs. speedchuck mechanical debate. Seems kind of hard to miss if one opens the thread at all during D4, but I'm not sure I disbelieve it.

~~~

Conclusion

Zilch to discuss. They're compatible by default.

YELLOW

Quin and Sprit are the players I have the most independent suspicion of right now. This relationship turns up next to nothing. Sprit’s supposed ignorance of speed/quin is not a good look. That it’s the only real point in this entire interaction is also not a good look. I have trouble calling it a definitively bad read though.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:12 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Orly?

Yes. Do something.

Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?

... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

Assume I didn't read any of that.

Quin claimed to patronus me and timmer.
Speedchuck claims to have watched Quin target LC.
Both of them stuck to their guns and rejected any alternatives other than that the other was lying.
Speedchuck is dead and town.

It may not be as easy as this.

There’s certainly more to it than the bullet points. But that’s the general outline. We’ve talked about the possibilities to no end, and to me it seems the most likely scenario is that one of them was lying. We now know it wasn’t speedchuck, unless his was is faked.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:28 pm I feel like I spend so much time doing all that analysis and now just feel like I understand this game less than I did before

Yeah that happens sometimes. The best solution is to close your eyes and hope for the best.

... so what if speedchuck’s flip is fake?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:32 pm ... so what if speedchuck’s flip is fake?

I thought we decided there weren't fake flips in this game because of the thing in the rules about ddl not lying to us? but idk if that's really what that means though

I hope this is the case. I’d roll with it if there’s nothing that clearly indicates their a thing in the rules.

In which I figure out what Quin's relationship to the dead bad guys is/was:

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:07 pm Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

This.

This "This" is Quin's first interaction with Long Con. The header tells me This comes from Day 3. The This which Quin is Thising at is a paranoia-sowing theory about fake role flips. Who even thinks like that!? Suffice to say I'm not in favor of this development. The entire first page of Quin's ISO turns up nothing when I Ctrl+f any variation of names/nicknames for either LC or INH. I'm not inclined to call that a good look.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:19 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:59 pm big post with long con in it

I didn't get that subtle defence or whatever from LC at all. Dunno how you interpreted it that way.

Quin singles out a point on Long Con from a much more expansive post by nutella. It appears that Quin is providing skepticism of a theory against LC. The follow up does nothing. I'm not really sure what Quin is even talking about here.

After that, LC is dead and the whole claim saga between Quin and Speedchuck happens. Knowing that speed's claim was not false, I really struggle to see Quin in the same positive light as before. Even yesterday, I was only inclined to favor Quin in the argument because of outside evidence against Speedchuck, namely Poutanko's claim, which we now know to have been either incorrect or fabricated.

RED

Quin and INH:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:17 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:11 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:08 am Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?

I dunno, INH because he actually posted some?

for a guy who's been leading this discussion about fake flips you don't seem especially opinionated about it.

This is the first time Quin really offers any sort of acknowledgment of INH in this game. It's barely anything. Absence makes the heart grow scummier.

LC and Quin, from the other side.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:02 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

on what planet would epis post actually be a problem though

You tell me.

Jupiter?

Great choice.

Nothing at all.
After that there's just some indirect mentions and an olive green placement on a WIFOM-stirring rainbow list. For the most part this remains nothing at all.

INH & Quin

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:07 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

This is the post in question:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

"LIKE!"

Soft defense

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:15 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:13 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:12 pm IAMA Death Eater, AMAA. (Can't out my teammates, but glad to talk about anything else game-related!)

you're a bad boy

Nothing at all

Quin is suffering from Stupid Sexy Flanders Syndrome in the interactive department.

I don't feel like kara is bad. But if we're going to pursue their lynch today, I think an important thing to keep in mind (and I've already mentioned this) is that speedchuck confided the identity of the alleged vigilante to them. What exactly should be made of that, I don't know. Would it help to get that name out in the open? Do we think kara disposed of speedchuck so scum could make use of the information however they choose? Questions questions questions.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:19 pm speedchuck is good, so that makes both pout and kara look bad. pout for an incorrect cop check and kara for her floo powder thing. I lean kara.

How does the floo powder thing make kara look bad?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:22 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:20 pm So by "who wants my hallow" do you mean you're giving up or do you mean you get to give it away?

If I'm being lynched today then I'm going to decide who gets it. It's powerful.

Oh. "if" you're being lynched today.

Yes. If.

Should I assume you have no intention of telling us which Hallow it is?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:22 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:20 pm So by "who wants my hallow" do you mean you're giving up or do you mean you get to give it away?

If I'm being lynched today then I'm going to decide who gets it. It's powerful.

Oh. "if" you're being lynched today.

Yes. If.

Should I assume you have no intention of telling us which Hallow it is?

It's the cloak. I have no problem talking about it.

Can Mac have it?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:30 pm the kara thing sounds a bit weak when i put it in words.

i feel like this game is set up so that anyone could theoretically prevent a kill on any night.

I've been not doing homework all afternoon. I need to fix that.

But first, a point: having the cloak does not make Quin town, as far as I know.

sprit would be my next choice to lynch after him.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:30 pm the kara thing sounds a bit weak when i put it in words.

i feel like this game is set up so that anyone could theoretically prevent a kill on any night.

Or...survive a kill? Eeeeeh? Eeeeeeeeeeh?

survival is a form of kill-prevention, yeah.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:38 pm At what point do we just mass reveal all our night activity to find inconsistencies? Can we do that now?

Old school RYM mafia time?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:38 pm At what point do we just mass reveal all our night activity to find inconsistencies? Can we do that now?

Old school RYM mafia time?

Nervous?

No. I've been thinking the same thing.

Night 1 Owner used Wingardium Leviosa on DH
Night 2 I used the Wingardium Leviosa on Epi
Night 3 I Thestral’d out of Hogwarts
Night 4 I used Wingardium Leviosa on nutella

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:38 pm At what point do we just mass reveal all our night activity to find inconsistencies? Can we do that now?

Old school RYM mafia time?

Nervous?

No. I've been thinking the same thing.

Wow wild idea lets all tell the mafia everything they need to know to make sure their kills are super good and perfect lol great plan.

#ballstothewall

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:02 pm Night 1 I Arresto Momento'd timmer
Night 2 I did nothing
Night 3 I Expecto Patronumed timmer and Sloonei
Night 4 I used the cloak

Someone fill me in on who timmer allegedly killed and when.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:22 pm Literally the only reason you'd go "Hey lets all out ourselves" is if you were bad and wanted everyone to reveal what powers they had so you knew who and how to kill. lol wow good job guys.

Or we see that this game has a lot of missing pieces and want to put some of those pieces into place to help make sense of our scum hunting efforts.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:34 pm My vote is on nutella for now, but I'd much rather lynch Quin today.

Why? Why?

Jack, get in here and go HCRealms on all our asses.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:34 pm

karavalenge wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:34 pm My vote is on nutella for now, but I'd much rather lynch Quin today.

Why? Why?

Because nutella is voting for me for weak reasons.

Why does that make her bad?

karavalenge wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:38 pm It appeared to be a gambit to try to get early votes on me to make the idea sound good when it's not. I'll switch to Quin if they never explain yesterday in a way that works with Speed's info.

I do not think that's the case, and I definitely wouldn't make that allegation early in a day like this. Nutella has voted for just about everybody so far today. I think that shows that her mind is all over the place and far from made up. I regard that as a good thing and award her a hundred townie points for it.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:47 pm Sloonie, besides the fact that speed flipped civ and so it appears he was telling the truth, is there any other reason you think Quin did not target you with patronus?

I have no information which either confirms or deny that I was targeted with a Patronus that night. Like I said, I took a Thestral out of town that night, so I was immune from nearly all abilities that night. I have no way of knowing if anyone did anything to me that night. If Quin is lying, I suspect he may have just thought I'd be an easy fake target to claim for some reason.

I repeated "that night" in three straight sentences in that post.

Is this kara’s first game?

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Still not sure I buy quin’s story, but whatever

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:54 pm Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

I don’t recall being active in the thread at the same time as Colin at any point in this game, and as such I have mo definitive read on him. I slapped a town read on him because of poutanko but that’s kind of gone out the window now. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:33 pm Jack makes a good point Jay might have been the mystery person.

Blocker and vig in the same slot could lead to more net kills and explain why 2-3 people are dying per night even when Timmer claims to be holstering it failimg. That is, that blocker never blocks that vig and every other night, that blocker doesn’t block at all.

This would mean Jay had answers during yesterday’s confusion. He didn’t strike me as someone who had answers.