The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:52 am I just read over the Macdougall case on Nutella. It's a pretty good run-down. Not perfect, but pretty good. I have half a mind to take Mac's suspicions and coast on them all game, like I did in GoC. Nightkill analysis, baby.

Problem is, this analysis came in on D3, and I had nutella as a semi-strong townread. Let's talk about some of the suspicions.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:01 pm This is the second fucking stupid lynch in a row of a cool player who I would have liked to play with just because people are being fucking lazy

I don't really have a beef with this post. It's not so much "Enrique was obviously town, boo to the voters, they all scum, I'm so town dontcha kno" and more genuine to me BECAUSE it isn't lamenting his role or alignment as much as the fact that he was around and interesting.
And she's not even wrong about the laziness. We on page 11, and this is D3. That's insane.

Nutella also doesn't have a reason to put herself out there and agitate the thread/voters with this if she's scum. In a more active game, this kind of talk could shame people and put nutella on a town pedestal. In this game, it just makes her stand out. I posit that, with the flow of the game as is, spurring on this discussion and kicking that hornets' nest is much less scummish than just taking the lynches as they come.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:04 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pmA bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.
But RIP another townie.

No it doesn't wtf

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:07 pm My whole thing was I thought you had TMI on him so how you think his flip looks good for you is beyond me.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:12 pm The same could apply to me then. But you were weirder about it.

Hypocrisy is a staple of the town playbook.

At first glance, these are the only counterarguments I have toward the town nutella that I'm seeing. It comes down to motive, like Mac's post does. He alleged that Nutella is trying to put herself in a good position using TMI. I think it was a mix of nutella being aggressive and waffley. While waffles are not really a town play, regardless of the person, aggression is just not called for at all in this game.

I didn't address all of Mac's points, though. And Nutella believing the truth meta thing is ew, regardless of alignment.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm Just a couple thoughts:
Dana and Nova haven't shown up at all yet as far as I saw. Are there plans for replacement if they don't?

Yeah Bob does seem a little all over the place I'll have to look more into that. Not sure if that's where drwilgys suspicion comes from? from what I can tell all drwilgy did was vote with no explanation and then go away with no explanation. I'm always wary of the random no explanation votes even if just a minimal one.

Also someone asked what valid points there were against sloonei and the genuine comment could be taken as an unnecessary statement but I'm not putting my suspicion on them right now. I see their posting as more stirring things up and getting people talking.

Trying to keep up the best I can with everything lots of people playing this game so much to read. Also I dont own a computer so phone typing is obnoxious sometimes blah.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:56 pm Leaning drwilgy at this time due to random voting no explanation not even mentioning it and then completely disappearing. Off to a Christmas party. I will check back in after though in case anything else comes up.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:34 pm I said I would respond with thoughts after work and Ohhh I dont know everyone is so hard to read this game so far. I have a few thoughts but nothing profound really.

Nova still hasn't shown so well see what happens there.
Dana just recently started and mostly discussed game mechanic questions but theres so much to read I can see why if she wasn't here initially.

I can see the case on juliet's as it's a lot of just agreeing or responding to things rather than new ideas. I know I've played with her before but honestly dont remember when or what games.

Sig I can see how their behavior at end of day could be deemed kind of suspicious it was a little all over the place which could have been to make the wolbre vote look more random than it really was.

Quin eh he was bad last game and acted similarly but I get the feeling that's just him and him pushing people away could be a way to hide teammates or just some inside joke I'm not aware of with other players.

Colin I'm not sure about because he said I'm gonna bandwagon vote DDL without any real reason and then doesn't contribute anything else really. I did notice the few posts that were quotes with just lmao or like or something similar.


Sloonei talks a lot and changes his mind a lot but he does get conversations going and people talking. I'm not entirely sure how to feel about it as he got really defensive when the votes were on him. It's hard to read all of his posts but I know hes changed who he's suspecting many times. Which isn't to say he hasn't made some good points.

There was some stuff about gman but I have no idea I couldnt get much from his posts.

I'll have to look at mac and timmer as well as they were also wolbre voters.
Just some random thoughts so far. I'm gonna try to go enjoy my evening. I'm sure there will be a million posts to read when I get back haha.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:59 pm The votes are really all over the place but I guess it's still early in the game. Welcome to this site mafiamenace. Unless you're bad .
I dont feel like there is much to go on for elo votes she barely said anything or is that really the argument against her is that she didnt say anything?
Spirit is like super angry for some reason and was a little confusing at times. Is it common to vote non/host as a placeholder? I've seen self voting for that purpose before idk.
Epi focused a lot on that literal argument which seems like it really doesnt have anything to do with the game. Could be a distraction away from any discussion or accusation in his direction.
Others like sloonei and gman seem to be trying to throw things out there to get a discussion going. Though gman made sure to begin the game by stating he is the most vanilla of civs

Reywas is literally all memes and not much actual posting of anything so that doesnt look great. It's like participating without really saying anything? Unless there is some weird inside joke about kanye that I'm not aware of to explain this?

So early in the game hard to decide where to go. I am going to a hockey game tonight so I may not be around a lot for end of day discussion but I'll try to check in if I can. I'm inclined to vote epi or reways at the moment. I'm thinking reways because at least epi is talking even if it was a lot of random things about the language people use. Sorry for the hugely long post just trying to fit all my thoughts into one.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:55 am RIP Eloh! I had no service at the game so wasnt really able to check in.
I didnt really get where the eloh votes were coming from exactly. It's weird going from such a huge game to such a small game only 3 votes can get someone lynched. I'll have to look more closely at the eloh voters. What was it that led people to vote her? Looks like slooneis reasoning was mostly because he had votes and had to make sure someone else got lynched.

Anyone else have thoughts on the sloonei vs epi debate? Its so early in the game. I was initially inclined to think epi was bad and I remember last game sloonei just throws random accusations around to get some kind of discussion going or reaction from people. Voting to save yourself without a lot of reasoning though is meh especially when they flip civ. Was that an honest mistake or intentionally disguised as a mistake?

Is that just how reywas always interacts? Did I miss something?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:03 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:38 am Wilgy could be the Hollow Man. That one appears as a random civ when lynched

I guess this is possible, but what would be the odds of losing both false front roles in the first few days? Possible, but I dunno. I would expect Sabie to be more freaked out that he flipped like he did if she believed him to be bad, as opposed to herself. Her reaction is more "meh, oh well, time to move on I guess".

I don't love the info any more than you do, but it IS out there, so can't ignore it.

Linki, what lie? I thought that was a crack about info dumping. And INH is a force of nature. An unusual nature, but you can't really take him at face value. He does and says his own thing always, and I won't auto-susp him for saying something quirky and provocative.

I have played with both of them for a long time, I might not read them the same as you do.

I do feel bad about being wrong about wilgy and that I let myself be convinced he was bad if he wasn't. I guess him being so nonchalant and absent most of the game made the whole thing a little more meh for everyone. As people were saying the end if day was not as lively and exciting as it can sometimes be. Usually the people being accused at least come in and defend themselves and a conversation happens. That didnt really happen this time. No one else really has had a strong reaction to his death either that I saw unless I missed it. But again I'm sorry I was wrong. Both lynches have not gone great for us so hoping for better results next time.
It seemed like everyone was pretty quick to move on to the next thing. Especially with INH coming in with a bunch of posts out of nowhere.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:56 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:48 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.

Actually I've never played on another site I was on this site playing from 2014 to 2016 so all this info dumping stuff is completely new to me I dont remember that being a thing before. I've explained a few times that I was here then had a brain tumor and was out of the game for awhile and came back recently. I dont know how any of that led you to the conclusions you're making now.

You're just so skilled I assumed you had experience on other sites.

Either way consider it a compliment I think you handled the accusation really well in a scum way.

Nice backhanded compliment there. I just know I'm playing an honest game and I'm not lying which is why I come off so calm about everything. Being civ I dont have to lie about anything I know I'm good and I'm playing the best I can.

Also what am I deflecting and is there a difference between mafia and baddies? aren't they the same thing?

Also also assuming things about my life and what I do outside of this site is not really an argument against me is it?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:35 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:29 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:54 am I saw a few people still accusing me. I wonder is it based on any kind of actual argument or just the crazy lady who people are very much interpreting incorrectly. Also just want to know if that info came from the hosts then how was it able to be shared in the thread as a direct quote? Isn't that not allowed? If people think I'm bad because I voted wilgy I made an argument for why I thought he was bad. I also wasnt the only one who believed he was bad. As a civ you go off what you think is baddie behavior but you dont know for sure. It was an honest mistake. Unless there was some trickery going on but again that also is uncertain.

“I’m not scum and the info is wrong, but if it’s not, isn’t it against the rules to reveal it?”

Tantalizing as other lynches may be, I really don’t see myself voting for anyone but Sabie today.

[VOTE: SABIE] aubergine

No you misinderstand why I asked that. I asked if they werent supposed to directly quote the message then maybe the message wasnt actually directly quoted. As in it could have been misconstrued. Like paraphrasing things to make it sound different on purpose. If that was the wording though I still see it as meaning there was a baddie next to me. I'm just saying people are very quick to believe their interpretation of what may have been said by a mad old lady on the woods rather than put together any kind of actual argument against me.