The Syndicate

personally i think we should be listening to sig today.

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That sig post should have been orange.

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.
Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

I'm doing school junk at the moment, but I'll throw my Day 0 beef with ted back into the mix because it may be relevant again:

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I gave ted a generic Day 0 prod and he responded more defensively than I would have expected. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing" felt particularly out of place, since the nature of my initial question was "can you explain the reads you just shared?"

The good news is I've had a very productive day in terms of thesis writing.
The bad news is I'm drained of would-be mafia energy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:22 pm Bullshit. Show us your thesis.

it's not done yet.

I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.

Everything sig does today can only be viewed through the lens of wifom, if viewed at all. Does anyone care to analyze dat nanook vote?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.
Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes

What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.
Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes
What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?
Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.

The confirmed scum player has no reason to lie?

I’m interested in the high compatibility bit. Hopefully I’ll look into it myself one of these days.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 pm I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts
You can disagree but saying it’s arbitrary is uh....not good

I mean, why pick those three names?

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

[mention]Tranq[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]
[mention]sig[/mention], yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

I ask about the three-person limbo thing because in Inception Mafia the game was designed to put both a mafia member and the independent role in limbo together. I am wondering if such a setup would be possible in this game as well.

Mac ISO part 1

Mac ISO part 2:

I was in the middle of page 2 when I lost access to the thread before. Picking up from there.

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Jay starts holding Mac's feetses to the fire on Day 1 and Mac responds as one would expect him to. Tentative good look for Jay, but this level of distancing would absolutely not be beyond these two.

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I'm less familiar with Dom's scum game so I can't say with any confidence whether or not he'd make a post like this if he was mac's teammate. I'll go with no, but that's based on an opinion that exists outside this exercise. How dare I bring pre-existing reads into the objective world of isolated review?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:45 pm I'm going to ignore you. I don't need this negative bs.

Directed at Dom. I think epi's words were "If [these two] are teammates, I'll lose respect for them both." I see where that's coming from.
More of the same. I'm mostly willing to rule Dom out at this point. If they're teammates they staged an emotional feud that goes beyond the normal limits of distancing ploy. I don't see either of these players doing that.

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A driveby jab at Tony at a moment where Mac is at risk to be lynched. Okay. This is not necessarily shade, but it is at the very least a negatively-slanted comment. I can't do much wit this. At a moment like this (getting late in Day 2 with mounting votes against him), Mac will be caught between survival instincts, genuine hunting, and leaving a WIFOM trail. It does not appear that anything meaningful came out of this Tony post.

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Juicy. We've got a lot of names here. I have to acknowledge my disclaimer above about Macdougall's Many Drives at this moment, but there's still content here for me to digest.

Mac casts a general negative slant against several people for the way they are approaching the case against him. Those people are: Dom, Nanook2.0, Jack, and nutella2.0. He singles Dom out among them, which looks like a genuine effort to spin suspicion against Dom. Whether or not that suspicion is authentic is irrelevant to me; Mac's intent appears to be genuinely anti-Dom, and I'll say that that's the final straw I needed to rule Dom out as Mac's partner. The other names on this list are a head of lettuce. We know that nutella2.0 was town. He then lists Jay, nanook2.0, and myself as catalysts in the case against him. He's now mentioned nanook twice, in separate categories. Idk what that means, though I see room for overlap between the two so it might not be alarming. Jay and myself are also there. Hello. Then at the end he takes a jab at jay and myself again, along with Epi. Okay.

I'd be surprised if there are no teammates mentioned in this post (although maybe not, because mac is wild). Epignosis appears in the bottom paragraph without any meaningful content associated with him elsewhere in this post. Jay and I are lumped together almost as a unit (who would do that?) twice, without anything that amounts to a real read on either of us. In a vacuum I could see one of those other two being Mac's teammate based on their inclusion in this post without much substance attached. One could say the same about me, but I'm not here to analyze myself. Likewise for the initial list of bandwagoners (nutella, nanook, dom, jack), but we already know nutella was not on his team, and I'm comfortable ruling out Dom. I doubt it's Jack based on the way this game has unfolded. Mac's ghost pushed a case against nanook before the thread got ghostbusted, so that would be an odd teammate pairing, but I won't put it past them.

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Jack was mentioned in the previous post but not explicitly suspected. This time he is. Odd. I'm inclined to say that if Mac and Jack are partners and they have a plan to distance from one another, Mac wouldn't be so clumsy as the forget to do it in one post and then tack it on in another post three minutes later. He goes back to the buffet for a second serving of salad at the end: Jay, myself, SVS, Tony, Dyslexicon. Two posts in a row that Jay and I have appeared in. Tony is the only other living player in the mix here. Interesting.

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This is hurting my head. I'm not sick anymore, don't do this to me. After a salad of suspicion, Mac serves up another salad, this time of town reads: sig (lol), sprit, sabie (lol), michelle, turnip head. For ease, here's a color coded chart of these two salads:

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Mac names 10 players, 5 positive and 5 negative. 5 are now dead or revealed/about to be dead, and none of them were on Mac's team. Two are confirmed to have been on the opposite team. My general inclination is to treat lists like these as though there as at least one teammate named in the bunch, although I wouldn't put it past Mac to deliberately mislead buttheads like me by naming 0 partners. I had a positive vibe on Michelle in part 1 of this ISO and I'm not inclined to waive that for now. I don't know why Turnip Head or Tony are on their ends of this list. I've already commented on Jay's part. Keeping an eye on all three of those as I move forward. I'll note before I go, though, that Tony has been mentioned a couple times now without any real substance behind any of those mentions.

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A hard pro-colin stance. Interesting. I've seen scum mac go the Hard Defense route on his teammates before (in last year's GoC, if I'm not mistaken).

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This exchange with nanook looks spontaneous and maybe a little desperate. Good look for nanook. dem rhymes

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Turnip Head gets an implicitly defensive and unsolicited name drop in an exchange with Nanook. I feel like this post exists entirely as wifom. I'm hesitant to do much with it other than note that Turnip Head is mentioned.

Mac ducks out of engaging further about Turnip Head, point instead to his wack-ass dragotella shade. This time I'm willing to submit a read: slightly bad look for TH. Mac plucks a Turnip out of the void for no visible reason, then immediately pivots when it appears we might be lingering on the subject. I can see this as him trying to namedrop a teammate in a way that is meant to confuse, but then moves away to avoid tipping his hand.

Empty ted banter

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Not empty banter, but Mac's response to ted is an insubstantial response to a substantial post. Noted.

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A slightly more substantial response to a substantial jay post. Okay.

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Agrees with Jay's Tranq shade. This is not an observation I've ever made before, I don't think, but I'm inclined to make it here: I don't think posts like this exist between teammates. This looks like Mac is trying butter Jay up by feeding into a suspicion on Not Him in a pretty empty way. If they're partners it's totally unnecessary, it achieves nothing, and it lumps them together for no beneficial reason. If Mac is mafia is Jay is not his partner, it exists to move focus away from himself. Good look for Jay.

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Weak. Meh. I don't need to read anything into this, but I could see speedchuck as mac's partner here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm Or sprit? Idfk
Or Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.

G-man and Tony get name drops (along with dragomir, who became nutella, who is dead). I think this is the first time I've seen G's name come up in Mac's posts. It's not the first time I've seen Tony's name. I've yet to see Mac provide a substantive read on Tony though. Given the number of times this has occurred, I'm gonna mark it down as a bad look for Tony. Mac keeps propping him up as a name to be suspicious of, but he isn't actually doing anything with that read.

Skipping some jack and juliets stuff because I'm not inclined to read them as Mac's partners and nothing in these posts changes that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:05 pm Sabie is probably TH's teammate given she had to justify not voting TH over me.

TH is lumped in with sabie. TH had previously been a baseless town read for mac. Idk what to do with this. It looks more like a read on sabie, with TH's name lumped in because Mac loves associative reads. I'm almost inclined to call it a good look for TH, but I don't feel all that strongly about it. Mac is capable of spewing bullshit like this about his own partner. No read.

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This is more direct shade at the people voting for TH. I don't know who all the names on that list would be. Michelle, Tranq, and Radishes would be the names there in the final tally. We know one of those three was bad opposite Mac, so he's not wrong. Mac's previous support of Jay's "ew" at Tranq coupled with this post might indicate that Mac viewed Tranq as a viable suspect, or at least someone who could draw attention away from him. Although I'll also note that Mac's bizarre post about lynching Dragomir but not lynching Dragomir from earlier in this phase was singularly directed at one low-poster (Drago) but not the other (Tranq). That doesn't have to mean anything, but I'm gonna mention it. I'm unwilling to dismiss Tranq as a suspect, but I would not feel confident in calling him a teammate of Mac's either.

Unspecified shade at voters in general with implicit support of all his counterwagons (g-man, radishes, Turnip Head). Alright. This strikes me as pure self-defense.

Firm defense of TH, expressed intent to vote for either of the other two wagons. with a Radish preference. I can feel a TH association. I do not feel a G-man association.

Calls on ted, juliets, and SVS to move their votes. I assume this is just because they were off-wagon at the time.

G-man is not mac's partner.

That's the end of Day 2 and this is getting long, so I'll post these results and continue on. Quick rainbow recap based purely on these results (coupled with Part 1):
Jack
Dom
juliets
Jay
Michelle
nanook
G-man
Tranq
Epi
Ted
speedchuck
Colin
Tony
Turnip Head

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
Literally nothing me getting outted ruined my plan.

Tsp may have some more since I complained a bit but who knows.

what was your plan?

MacDougal pt. III

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G-man was a popular suspect in the immediate aftermath of the Radish lynch. Mac rides that wave. Good look for G.

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Juicy content here. Confirmed Town Hero Dizzy calls out sabie as a potential Radish partner. Mac latches onto that and lumps in Dom, Jack, sprityo and G-man. Sprit is the only one of those four who has flipped and we know he was town. I'm exceedingly confident that the other three are not on Mac's team.

What I'm more interested in here is the rest of these two posts. Dizzy also singles out Turnip Head as a suspect, but Mac makes no mention of that. Instead he launches into an unrelated defense of "most of the people who voted late". That list of names includes: "TH, Colin, Juliets, Epi and TSP"
So that's 3 of my prime suspects from parts 1 & 2. The strongest of those suspects was already Turnip Head, and given that Mac is ignoring Dizzy's suspicion and instead turning this into a positive on TH is not an inspiring look. Juliets is a confident not-mac-partnered read (and not-radishes-partnered read, but that's not our concern here), and Epi was more or less null because Mac's had nothing to say about him so far. In fact, I'm about ready to lump him in with Tony as a player Mac has brought up a few times without actually saying anything substantive.

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Just quoting this to emphasize that Mac appears to be genuinely hunting for the other team at this stage.

more turbup defense

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A rainbow. Neat. Colin is somehow the top green read. Does Mac support his teammate that aggressively? This shakes my Colin suspicion a little, but not enough to dismiss it outright. Turnip Head is in the same tier, but that's actually reflected in Mac's posts to this point. Epi and Tony also get the Dark Green treatment despite minimal handling. Granted that Mac's post-Day 2 analysis existed to grant favorable reads to all three of these folks, but given how light it was I'm not particularly fond of these placements. I have to wonder whether he'd position his entire team in the top tier of a rainbow (and it's obviously impossible that all four of TH, Tony, Colin, and Epi are his teammates). I also not that Jay and I are now green, along with ted and sig(?). That entire second green tier makes no sense. I remember zero substantial interactions with ted, several hostile interactions with sig, and a few vague shade posts directed at jay and myself. speedchuck, nanook, michelle, and tranq make up the middle tiers of the rainbow. I've felt varying levels of good about the latter three elsewhere in this iso. His bottom tier is a list of people I'm almost certain are not on his team, and I think that list (the red names) represents his honest suspects at this time.

Mac does a 180 on G-man. I still think the progression on him as a suspect looked sincere.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?

Just noting that Mac has nothing to say about Ted here.

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Generic prods for Epi and Jay.

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Generic banter with Iron Man. Okay. This might be the most meaningful thing Mac has had to say to/about Tony to this point.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:48 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:31 am I have no idea where I’d put my vote now. Maybe on Radishes but that feels like a cop out because I don’t suspect Radishes I just don’t see anything townie in him and he’s probably the player here whose game I have the weakest grasp of.
This is such a teammate thing to say, specifically the line "I don't suspect Radishes I just don't see anything townie in him"; that's how someone talks about their guilty friend
At least someone sees it...

This has shades of the point I made about Jay's tranq post earlier, but it's slightly different: Here TH is supporting a read that Mac has been spouting for a while. In that light, I do not struggle to read this as a teammate interaction. I may be entering a tunnel on TH/Mac.

Singles out Tranq and Michelle, in what looks like a suggestion for people nutella can investigate(?). I'll call this a good look for those two. Mac has no incentive to sick nutella on his partners like that.

[Skipping tons of stuff with dead people/people i've ruled out]

Nothing response to an Epi post. Okay.

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Desperation heave against Tranq. None of mac's little jabs at Tranq have had the scent of bussing, but none of them have been strong enough for that to be a slam dunk read. I have no direct reason to suspicious of these two in association with each other.

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Names! Mac lists myself, jack, and nutella as players "not tunneling" him. None of us are on mac's team. He then singles out TH and Ted as players "not suspicious" of him, and then moves on. Ted and speedchuck are probably the most absent players from this ISO, for what it's worth. That is more notable in Ted's case, as he's been a bigger thread presence and I believe I recall him having a strong defense of Mac at some point during the game. Interesting.

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Hot spicy tunnel take incoming! I remember this post because it's directed at me. At the time I thought it was just typical Mac (independent of alignment) lashing out at me and didn't put much weight into this post as anything other than an attempt to draw some content out of Mac. But as I look at it now in the light of this ISO, I notice a new detail: Mac abruptly lashes out at me the moment I start to focus some attention on Turnip Head. Spicy. I may have already alluded to this elsewhere, but I believe it was last year's GoC (or maybe A World Asunder?) where I caught Mac's partner (juliets) on Day 1, and he immediately turned that into a campaign against me as a way to both defend his teammate and potentially remove a threatening player. Shades of that exact thing right here.

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Look at this Town MVP making the confirmed bad guy spout new reads. Mac has done a complete 180 on both Epi and Colin (you'll recall they were at the top of his rainbow earlier). Very interesting. Mac has had very little to say about these two and has now reversed course on both of them. Is this a late attempt at distancing now that he's more of a risk to be lynched? I think his Michelle suspicion was genuine, so I continue to feel alright about her in relation to mac. speedchuck makes a rare appearance with a generic read which does nothing for me. Tranq makes another appearance as well. The Colin and Epi bits are by far the juiciest moments in this post.

Mac says more words about speedchuck, but none of these words really amount to anything substantial. Lame read.

Mac says more words about Epignosis, but none of these words really amount to anything substantial. Lame read.

Alright yeah Mac is just trying to play a tightlipped game at this point. He gave that list of reads and then shut it down. Very lame. It looks like he is unwilling to talk about these things, perhaps because he doesn't want to tip his hand any further. I expect there is at least one partner in these reads. Colin, Epi, and speedchuck are the candidates.

Another empty Epi response. I can actually see this in a positive light for Epi: Mac's response almost looks timid, like he prodded Epi and was shut down, and now he's downplaying it. That's not strong enough to dismiss Epi as a suspect, and there is certainly room to read this in a less favorable light. But it's something. Here is Mac giving me the same treatment one post later.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

This post exists. At this point I think I'll get more out of my read on Tony if I read these interactions from his side rather than Mac. I'll just shrug at this for now.

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Day 3 Sloon was tired of non-cooperative Mac, so he changed his approach. juliets is a town read, duh. Among living players, so are TH, ted, Dom, and nanook. Tony has lost town-status. The TH read is consistent and doesn't change a thing. Dom and nanook are new developments, but I'm not inclined to read those unfavorable (especially Dom who is probably the most confident not-mac-aligned player in the game). I continue to not know why Ted is a town read. If it weren't for the bit about Tony's vote being on Mac, I'd also have no reason why any form of a read exists on him at all.

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A wishywashy thing about Colin. I do not believe Colin was actually a viable lynch at this stage in Day 3, so this is pretty empty shade from Mac.

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This doesn't look like a very passionate exchange. Idk what that means. it continues

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:37 am The way I am reading it is that TSP is attempting to use some sort of probability to justify his vote as opposed to actually taking personal accountability for a read, which is a scum mentality generally.

Okay. This is by far the most substantial thing Mac has had to say about Tony. It may be a genuine read. It may be a late attempt at distancing, but it feels a little convoluted for that. There was an extended build up to this, Mac had draw answers out of him, and this point is nuanced in a way that doesn't seem fabricated. Good look for Tony, at last.
Caveat to all of the above is that Mac might have been trying to plant a false trail at this stage. But I'm still inclined to look on this favorably for Tony.

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Here Mac kind of softens the read, but does not back down from it by any means. My inclination is to read this as a real suspicion, which is to say that Mac may have believed Tony to be a member of the opposite team at this moment.

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Here we go. The player with the most evidence linking to them in this ISO prompting Mac to talk about the player with the lightest and most inexplicable presence. Let's see where this goes.
Nowhere at first...

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Somewhere at second. with quotes
... and that appears to be it. Alright that was unjuicy. Well, ted's mac defense is quite juicy, but I'm not about to analyze that at the moment. I'll also want to look at how TH has handled ted outside of this interaction. TH remains a viable suspect, and if that is the case I could see room to read Ted as teammate #3 in this exchange, but so far it is inconclusive.

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Meanwhile, I'm feeling better and better about Tony not being on Mac's team.
Yeah. If Tony and Mac are partners, then Mac decided to keep him at arm's length for most of the game and then abruptly turn on him at the last minute. Certainly not impossible, especially for a crafty pair of players like this. But I'm not inclined to read it that way without any other evidence to suggest it.

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Hey look, another assembly of names. Mac continues to do nothing meaningful with Jay or Epi (or me).

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Not that it's explicitly significant to me, but Mac tried to set up a nutella vs. sloonei thing at this stage in the day, which I'm reading now as an attempted distraction/aggressive mac smokescreen. I only bring it up because it provides a window into his strategy at this point: he's throwing shit at the wall and making noise.

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This exchange where Mac dodges Jay's question is another good look for Jay.

A last second empty jab at speedchuck. Okay.

And then he's dead. Ignoring Mac's ghost because that's open WIFOM season,

The most interesting development in this final section for sure is the improvement of Tony's status. I'd be willing to bump him up to a green shade on the rainbow. I also had one point in favor of Epi after several shrugs, so I'll move him up to a light green as well. Ted moves down to orange pending further review. I'm adding a green tier to separate moderate reads from mild. Tiers themselves are not internally ranked. Final results:

Jack
Dom
juliets
Jay
Michelle
nanook
Tony
G-man
Tranq
Epi
Ted
speedchuck
Colin
Turnip Head

I came into this exercise having felt good about Turnip Head for much of the game, so his placement at the bottom comes as a bit of a surprise. The orange names are all low-key presences in this ISO that would require more investigation to parse out. Epi and Tranq are favorable reads that could easily change. Everyone above that feels like a stretch. Jay and Michelle are probably the least confident names in the middle green tier (Jay just because of who he is; Michelle because there wasn't all that much content, but there were multiple occasions where I felt good about her), but based on the evidence I have seen I would not be inclined to suspect them in association with Mac. The top three names are absolutely not on a team with Mac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:23 pm I read everything Sloonei wrote there and found myself going “not necessarily” at a lot of it.

The problem here is that when you pick single posts out, a townie who suspects Mac and pursues him a bit before going after different wolves doesn’t look all that different from a wolf who distances a bit before going after the other team.

That's definitely an added layer that complicates things in exercises like these for this game. I did my best to be mindful of the fact that sometimes Mac would be genuinely hunting, but at other times my usual instincts would kick in and I'd forget all about that. Multiball is confusing.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go do Other Things with my life.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:41 pm lol all in-person class instruction at my university was just suspended for the rest of March due to COVID-19. Now I have to devise a plan to do everything remotely, so I just got busier.

can't you just make your students sign up for mafia games?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:41 pm lol all in-person class instruction at my university was just suspended for the rest of March due to COVID-19. Now I have to devise a plan to do everything remotely, so I just got busier.
can't you just make your students sign up for mafia games?
Y'all say too many bad words; I'll get in trouble

Aw heck.

i'll probs be hovering around til the deadline, but other things are happening. sig's getting lynched today and that's final. At some point I'd like to finish digging into him and sabie.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:34 pm Anyone think TH and Jay are teammates who just distanced real good?

Doubtful

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:21 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:34 pm Anyone think TH and Jay are teammates who just distanced real good?
Doubtful
Why

I don't think bussing reaches this level of aggression, particularly when neither member was really a big candidate previously (maybe y'all talked about a Jay/TH as suspects on Inception Day, i dunno). Also, I just don't see it. I'm not inclined to believe something purely on the basis of "what if?"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:38 pm

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:42 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:24 amTHs lack of discussion and relying on others to do it for them gives me more of a scum lean.
Okay I asked my boy Jimmy to take a look at my top suspect. That doesn't make it a trend y'know.

And I don't think I'm not lacking discussion. I've discussed lots of things. Though I admit to saying less than I think

I am highlighting this specific comment for a reason. To this point in the review/case, it is believable. They haven't laid out their cards on the table. Cool. Later this looms larger for me though. I'll reference back.

I'm not somebody else, but I have a question about the TH case, [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]. You brought up this point and indicated that it would be relevant later. I don't see you bring it back up anywhere else in this case. Could you complete the thought, or point me to the moment where you completed it?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:30 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:21 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:34 pm Anyone think TH and Jay are teammates who just distanced real good?
Doubtful
Why
I don't think bussing reaches this level of aggression, particularly when neither member was really a big candidate previously (maybe y'all talked about a Jay/TH as suspects on Inception Day, i dunno). Also, I just don't see it. I'm not inclined to believe something purely on the basis of "what if?"
You thought it was aggressive?
There was pretty much no chance of anyone but sig going...

Aggressive doesn't have to mean either of them was angling to lynch the other that day (though Jay was close to the noose for a moment there). "Aggressive" just means they were/are impassioned and seriously pushing their respective cases.

Groovy. The Mac bits are the juiciest details in the case for me, probably because it aligns with my perspective on the other side of those interactions.

Harriet - Each night, you will choose two players to bodyguard. If one of the players you guard is targeted with a nightkill, the kill will be redirected to you, and the targeter will receive an extra three votes in the next lynch. If one of the players you guard is targeted negatively, but non-lethally, the targeter will receive an extra two votes in the next lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:12 pm
Harriet - Each night, you will choose two players to bodyguard. If one of the players you guard is targeted with a nightkill, the kill will be redirected to you, and the targeter will receive an extra three votes in the next lynch. If one of the players you guard is targeted negatively, but non-lethally, the targeter will receive an extra two votes in the next lynch.

The Anti-Monitor's Team - Kills on odd nights

Anti-monitor currently has a vote worth 4 and is starting the day with -2 votes against them.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:20 pm Someone ask me something mafia related. Fuck NBA. Fuck hysteria.

JaggedJimmyJay and Turnip Head: what are their alignments?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:20 pm Someone ask me something mafia related. Fuck NBA. Fuck hysteria.
JaggedJimmyJay and Turnip Head: what are their alignments?
Anti

Do you mean they are aligned opposite one another, or they are both anti-town? Or something else entirely?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:27 pm I’m willing to bet that Nanook was not hit directly by a scum kill from the AM, so we might be able to just clear this out

That is my assumption as well. But I'm not sure what we're clearing out here.

wait. Does "receive an extra three votes" mean that they are able to vote three extra times, or they have three additional votes cast against them? I interpreted it as the former. But... that's not a useful civilian power. The latter makes more sense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:30 pm Oh wait yeah the AM killed last night. He’s only at +1 vote, possibly tied with someone else due to award presenter and very likely behind Agatha.

I say we have two public votes and all privately vote for the most consensus target to override mafia secret vote.

huh?

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:49 pm Won't vote for:

Dom, Epi, G-Man, Jack, Sloonei

Could be convinced to vote mostly anyone else

Talk to me about me, epi, and G-man.

If it gets us away from the general population for a week or two, I’m in.

But that was not really an answer, my vegetal friend.

But to pause the mafia game for a moment, I do hope that we all remain healthy and in high spirits over the next couple of weeks. Even if you’re not in the high-risk portion of the population, this is not a very pleasant moment in time. Y’all are the best.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:08 am Do you not agree with my reads?

Whether I agree or disagree is not the question. I just want to know what the reasons are.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:17 am I couldn't say. They feel town

Okay. Tell me about your top suspects. You can include the Jay man, but I want at least one other name to go with him.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:28 am Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:41 am So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.

I’m confused by the second half of this post. Why does the lack of revival have anything to do with the anti-monitor?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 am wait... the killer is the one who starts with the extra votes?

If I’m understanding it correctly, the person who killed Harriet begins today with +3 votes cast against them in the poll. As it was probably the anti-monitor who killed nanook, their automatic -2 votes dampens that to a +1 for today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:50 pm
Does anyone townread TH? He seems to be the most consensus suspect and I would rather agree to focus elsewhere and lynch him via secret ballot if there's no way he's escaping lynch anyway.

So speak now so we can organize this.

TH is a suspect, but the day is young. I’m not entirely sure what you’re proposing.

I just don’t know what you mean by “secret lynch”, [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]. Like, what exactly does that scenario look like? We’re talking openly about it right now. This is a terrible secret.

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