I don't like that answer, you're just reasserting that you voted for me. What was the case against Jack and why did you not follow it?colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:29 pmAnswered in the post you quoted...Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:16 pmI never got the impression you were honestly considering a vote change. You were poking Jay with some questions about sprityo and me, but I don't remember seeing you offer any critical thoughts of your own, and you never wavered for a moment from your position. Your vote was on me and you were acting like there was still room to change your mind, but I never saw evidence of this. I also feel like the confidence you expressed in your vote was not backed up by the justification you provided, but that's not something I can view objectively since I was the target of it.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:10 pmI've reversed position on you for mechanical reasons. Town has the avoid lynch powers, so that makes you more likely to be town. Also Jack's non-tie vote bothers me and the more likely he is to be scum the less likely you are to be, since the w/w thing doesn't hold up mechanically.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:02 pmYou still haven't addressed my primary concern, which was your behavior from the time you started suspecting me to the end of the day.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:55 pm PS I think Sloonei's ISO of me started with the premise that I was probably bad and surprisingly enough found reasons to confirm. I don't think that's alignment indicative, I think it's a problem with ISOing people you're not neutral on.
this post here also suggests you've reversed your opinion on me again.
My behavior from suspecting you until end of day? My choices were you, Jack, or sprit. I didn't want to vote sprit because I don't like going low poster this early. I could've voted Jack but my suspicions of you were fresher and less meta. I don't really get this "waving my vote in your face" complaint tbh.
Why didn't you vote for Jack?
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- Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
- Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:45 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
I do open myself up to confirmation bias. But, the way I see it, I need to be asking myself "Does [this action] make sense from a scum point of view?". I also ask myself the inverse of that, "Does this make sense from a town point of view?", but if I'm going to be playing that game with myself then I'll get stuck in a barrel of WIFOM and never lynch anybody. At a certain point a decision has to be made: Which option makes more sense? I am currently positing the theory that it makes more sense for you to be bad. You can change my mind. Others can disagree. It's all in the game.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:28 pmSo the problem is this opens you up to confirmation bias, which is basically inevitable when you go looking for stuff to confirm what you already think. I've seen it happen before, and it's frustrating to fight against because, well, they don't want to hear it. It's not even consciously, but confirmation bias is worse than just looking for stuff that confirms your theory - when people are confronted with evidence that goes against what they think, they're actually more likely to believe it stronger than they are to change their minds.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:12 pm But also, for the sake of discussion philosophy/theory, you're right that I was looking for reasons to suspect you. When I'm engaging in an ISO like the one I did of cbob last night, I am asking myself "Can I see any of these actions being scum-indicative?". If I can pull enough out that consistently makes sense, I'm willing to run with it. If I struggle, I'll probably still submit the post for sake of discussion, but I won't push the person as a suspect. I don't think I can catch baddies without this approach.
Other times I'll ISO a person from a totally neutral standpoint. It depends on what I'm working with and where I'm at in the game.
(Again this is all theory and not alignment specific, I'm more than happy to talk theory because I find it very interesting)
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
What's interesting about my change of vocabulary RE: Jack?
- Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:40 pm
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Naw, I know where I stand in your view. I'm interested in what you're thinking about jack and nutella. I've been unclear on the Jack case and haven't received much explanation of it. What I have seen seems unorganized and unconvincing, and I liked the vibe he gave off at EOD last night.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:32 pm Nothing incriminating if that's what you want to know. I fully believe you are civ and there is little to nothing that can convince me otherwise at this point.
The reason I am trying to sort through this in the manner I am is because I think Nutella's posts and behavior have reinforced the belief I held. Either she really is who I believe or she wants me to believe she is.
I think I am at a point where I strongly believe either nutella is bad or Jack is bad.
I gave nutella a town read on Night 1 but she hasn't much to solidify that since. I could go either way on her right now.
- Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:58 pm
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I've been undecided on Jack for most of the game, but his attitude last night didn't feel false or forced or fabricated or anything with an f. I'm interested in why the lynch played out the way it did. Certain people voted for Jack, and certain people did not and I don't understand all the reasons why.
I'm the people who enabled the tie to happen as well. Namely bob. I sincerely do not understand his behavior last night from a town perspective.
I'm the people who enabled the tie to happen as well. Namely bob. I sincerely do not understand his behavior last night from a town perspective.
- Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:24 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]
Both. I want to know why everyone did everything with their votes yesterday.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:03 pm Linki @ Sloonei: Can you please specify what you mean by people who did not. Do you mean you want to know why people chose you over Jack or do you mean everyone who did not vote for Jack (including people like myself who voted for sprityo)?
- Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:16 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Sloonei is town
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:32 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
A magician never reveals his secret.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:03 am
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There's nothing magic about it, it's all base material.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:39 am
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I don't necessarily fault you for voting for me. I fault you for the ease with which your vote switched to me and the confidence you displayed after that.colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:43 amGo back and reread the phase with the assumption that you are mafia. Does my behavior look any different?
(You were my biggest scumread among the 3 who were lynch possibilities, why *wouldn't* I vote you?)
I do find it interesting nobody else who voted Sloonei is under any heat. Guess I should've just dropped my vote and left.
Who will be on your short list of suspects if Day 3 ever starts?
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:48 am
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Of the other people who voted for me: Epi and Quin are town. I believe they both believed I've been less than honest. Both of them have mistakenly pursued me like this in the past and the way they've gone about their suspicions is not out of character for either of them. I also believe in their larger outputs this game.
Elohcin and sprityo were my two biggest suspects during the day. I'm not dropping them, they just haven't been around. Happy Thanksgiving. Sprit's vote was pure self-defense, but he'll still need to explain why it went to me instead of Jack. He's done nothing to make me believe he's town. Eloh seemed to OMGUS/NO U me. That was the impression I got, at least. She doesn't like the case I made against her and put a vote on me for it. I don't find this suspicious. If anything it makes me feel better about her. I'm less likely to vote for her now than I was on Day 2.
Elohcin and sprityo were my two biggest suspects during the day. I'm not dropping them, they just haven't been around. Happy Thanksgiving. Sprit's vote was pure self-defense, but he'll still need to explain why it went to me instead of Jack. He's done nothing to make me believe he's town. Eloh seemed to OMGUS/NO U me. That was the impression I got, at least. She doesn't like the case I made against her and put a vote on me for it. I don't find this suspicious. If anything it makes me feel better about her. I'm less likely to vote for her now than I was on Day 2.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:43 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]
"Why did you vote for Jack?" -- Kylemii editionKyle was on Jack's case from Day 0. I don't think there was a direct continuation of this line of suspicion through to Day 2, but it's easy to see evidence that there was some close attention being paid to Jack from the very beginning from Kyle.
Jack and Kyle began an extended dialogue about the effectiveness of ties near the end of Day 1 with the recently-ended Pirates game as their reference. Kyle eventually started to feel the discussion was "exhausting and pointless". Looking over their arguments, it's more a debate about mafia theory than anything. They both have points they want to make about vote analysis and they're making them. I'm inclined to read it as two townies going back and forth. Kyle's read on Jack in this game is unclear at this time. But he starts Day 2 off with this vague post:
I don't hate this vote from kyle, but I don't love it either. I can buy that he had reason to be wary of Jack, but I'm not sure I agree that Jack was the best option, and the way he tacked suspicion onto me near the end also could be read as covering all his bases. I'm not sure I'd agree with that notion, but it's a possibility.
I've had kyle as a town read and this analysis does only a tiny bit to move the needle in the opposite direction on him. Still town, but with a little more caution than before.
Spoiler: show
Responds to Jack's prod for reads by saying he has "more good vibes than bad" on Day 1. He doesn't make a specific mention of Jack in the reads he lists after, but Jack was his interrogator here and Kyle responded positively and without hostility, so I get more of a friendly vibe than a suspicious one here. But this is Day 1, not Day 2.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:52 pmdisrespectful.honestly today's content has given me more good vibes than bad onesWho is bad, Kyle? Lots of content today.
Epignosis still looks bad to me, but his only contributions today have been defending against LC. I was hoping to talk them into ignoring each other for a few hours so we could get some isolated reads from his behaviors but he logged off.
nutella's confidence that LC v Epi 'wasn't getting us anywhere' still bugs me, and her expressing familiarity with such situations without providing much more insight into the topic seems problematic
Sloonei and LC I'm reading town, I also feel pretty okay about Quin
Jack and Kyle began an extended dialogue about the effectiveness of ties near the end of Day 1 with the recently-ended Pirates game as their reference. Kyle eventually started to feel the discussion was "exhausting and pointless". Looking over their arguments, it's more a debate about mafia theory than anything. They both have points they want to make about vote analysis and they're making them. I'm inclined to read it as two townies going back and forth. Kyle's read on Jack in this game is unclear at this time. But he starts Day 2 off with this vague post:
"Something seems off" is the most hollow accusation in the mafia lexicon. It's not always a sign of badness; sometimes we just have trouble pinpointing the source of fishiness. But kyle's going to need to substantiate this read between here and the time he places his vote for me to buy it.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:54 am I want to look at Jack today, I agree with K2 that something seems off about him.
I feel a little better about epignosis every time he says literally anything other than a defense against LC's thing which.... fuck, idk. I think maybe he's just weird. I think someone else pointed out though that without epigs bad responses the case is basically built out of mundane garbage
Kind of contests a point made by Jack but not really in an accusatory way.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:41 pmreferring to people who were okay with lynching epig as vultures probably prevented an epig lynch for better or worse.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:58 am Like if the idea is that baddies are vultures around Epi so Epi is good, why are the three of you not interested in catching those baddies?
Alright, this is Grade A Beef. You do you, Kyle.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pmI have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."
Who was I gonna save?
I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.
Continuation of the same beef. Jack feels he's offered his thoughts. Kyle wants to go into more detail.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:41 pmI literally just did. My point still stands.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:31 pmDidn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pmI have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."
Who was I gonna save?
I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.
ISO me.
"I've already said my opinions once so I refuse to think about them more or talk about them again when someone asks" is not a pro town attitude
especially when the person making the request is one of your town reads
Jack's job is stressful and he promises to share things later.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:34 pmAlright.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:29 pm @Kylemii
It's nothing personal. I worked 30 hours in the last 3 days and just clocked out. My posts are alternating between the most recent thing aimed at me or that I find super interesting when I refresh the page and my catch-up from 5 pages back. I promise to answer you tomorrow or maybe even tonight. :cheers:
Kyle tosses half-hearted support for lynching me into the thread before settling on Jack because he's not fulfilled his promise to share more reads yet. Jack would show up about an hour later to see himself tied with me for the lead in the poll.
I don't hate this vote from kyle, but I don't love it either. I can buy that he had reason to be wary of Jack, but I'm not sure I agree that Jack was the best option, and the way he tacked suspicion onto me near the end also could be read as covering all his bases. I'm not sure I'd agree with that notion, but it's a possibility.
I've had kyle as a town read and this analysis does only a tiny bit to move the needle in the opposite direction on him. Still town, but with a little more caution than before.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:06 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
"Why did you vote for Jack?" -- nutella edition
Reiterates and maintains the Jack suspicion as she faces a lynch on Day 1. I'd need to refresh myself on the Day 1 poll here. She also lists Quin and Kyle as suspects while holding that Jack is a suspect for his bogus case against her. If she suspects one play of fabricating a case against her, it's reasonable to consider she might suspect others of the same crime. Jack was not the only person voting for her on Day 1.
Here she expresses a willingness to back off of Jack if the discussion goes in a different direction.
There's no shortage of evidence that nutella suspects Jack in here. There's also still the theory that she's Everest, given the evidence that she anticipated a tie at the end of Day 1. I'm inclined to read nutella as town and believe her vote came from an honest place, but I'd still like my one question (above, underlined) to be answered.
nutella feels Jack's Day 1 case against her is totally bogus and out of line. At face value that's a pretty good reason to suspect a person, but I won't be quick to pass judgment on which one of them I believe more here. It's nice to have a clear conflict, though. I could see this being a town/scum interaction one way or the other, but not a scum/scum interaction. Town/town is also a possibility.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it
linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.
It's unclear whether or not nutella buys into the alleged scumslip LC is proposing here. I think that allegation is completely bogus. But nutella is happy that somebody else is suspicious of Jack and moves her vote back to him. This is not alarming.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:51 pmah see I didn't entirely follow that thread since y'all kept screwing up the quotes. but I agree with your initial assessment of his sprityo prodding-- that was part of what made me decide he's bad.
vote returning to jack
Reiterates and maintains the Jack suspicion as she faces a lynch on Day 1. I'd need to refresh myself on the Day 1 poll here. She also lists Quin and Kyle as suspects while holding that Jack is a suspect for his bogus case against her. If she suspects one play of fabricating a case against her, it's reasonable to consider she might suspect others of the same crime. Jack was not the only person voting for her on Day 1.
Here she expresses a willingness to back off of Jack if the discussion goes in a different direction.
Appreciates Jay's somewhat favorable view of Jack and pledges to keep it in mind.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:06 pm Good puke Jay. I quite enjoyed the "meta pajamas" analogy. I also found your assessment of Jack to have merit and will keep that in mind as I sort out how I feel about him. And I agree with your funky vibes from DDL; even given that he's been posting while catching up, a lot of his posts have felt vague and directionless.
Tell me how you feel about all of the players whose usernames begin with S: sig, Sloonei, Spacedaisy, speedchuck, and sprityo.
Jay must not have made a very strong impression because shortly after nutella is back on board with lynching Jack with no further elaboration. Then she puts him at the bottom of her rainbow. I'd have to ask nutella how her thoughts developed on Jack between the time she pledged to keep an open mind about him and these posts. It doesn't appear that anything truly changed her mind at all, which isn't necessarily bad, but I'm seeing a gap in the thought process here. I'd like for it to be filled in.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:21 pm DDL's recent slew of posts have flipped him over to a town read. I'm back to being more likely to vote for Jack, but am open to other options.
I'm not interested in lynching Dom because I think he has most likely forgotten about the game and that is more likely to happen if he is civ than if he is bad, yeah?
Working on a rainbow.
Likes a thing that kyle said about Jack.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:56 pmg o o f fKylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:41 pmI literally just did. My point still stands.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:31 pmDidn't I? And hadn't I already stated in extreme detail my feelings on LC, Epi and Nutella?Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pmI have a problem with this. You and I were talking about the usefulness of using close lynches as a valid scum hunting tactic in appropriate contexts.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:09 pm My motivation was that Kyle just asked me to weigh in on stuff I had already weighed in on. So I was like "no."
Who was I gonna save?
I asked you why the discussion was so important to you that you felt the need to respond so passionately about it and you never responded. The moment I invited you to discuss the options for the current lynch you decided you were done for the night and left.
ISO me.
"I've already said my opinions once so I refuse to think about them more or talk about them again when someone asks" is not a pro town attitude
especially when the person making the request is one of your town reads
jack
Offers an open mind to Epi's suspicion of me but maintains that she feels more strongly about Quin and Jack. I find this post believable and honest. She then asked a bunch of people to share their thoughts on Jack, and post-lynch-failure seemed to reconsider her read but then returned to scum reading him.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:40 pmI'm listening.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:39 pm This is what I don't get about so many people in the early game. "Epignosis isn't exhibiting town behavior."
When do I?
"Epignosis is doing suspicious things."
When don't I?
Y'all need to realize your mafia try to do their best to look good so y'all don't say this shit about them in the early game.
Sloonei fits this. He looks like he's trying to be a civilian leader, but I don't find his effort honest.
I feel this way about Jack and Quin, but I'd be open to reconsidering Sloonei as well.
There's no shortage of evidence that nutella suspects Jack in here. There's also still the theory that she's Everest, given the evidence that she anticipated a tie at the end of Day 1. I'm inclined to read nutella as town and believe her vote came from an honest place, but I'd still like my one question (above, underlined) to be answered.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:25 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]
"Why did you vote for Jack?" -- DDL edition
He explains his Jack/Kyle dichotomy here. I guess it makes sense as an explanation, though I'm still not sure I'd agree that his proposed relationship has to be the case, but it's not an inexcusable thought to have.
I feel better about DDL after this exercise than I did coming into it. I get the sense that he may actually see something in Jack that causes suspicion and I may even be starting to see it myself.
How are you feeling about Jack now, Mr. Luffy?
Objects to Jack poking sprityo on Day 0.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 amYou have a weird definition for "poking".Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.
(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)
Resists being asked to name suspects on Day 1.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 pmYou guys really like names don't you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy
Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?
People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?
Thinks that one of Kyle/Jack is bad due to their discussion about vote ties. I don't think it has to be this way. I'd ask DDL why he does.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.
One of Kyle and Jack is bad.
Calling it now.
I made a mental note of the same vibe from this Jack post. I didn't like it, especially considering that, upon further review, Jack really hadn't said all that much (according to me) about the lynch. There was still plenty for him to talk about, but he was acting as if he'd done all that he could and it was on everyone else to make a decision now.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pmThis post gives me a very political vibe.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 pm I've said my piece on today's lynch. Plenty of other people haven't provided much content so I'll give them a chance to catch up or speak.
I'll be lurking until EOD in case anyone has questions or I need to move my vote.
I hate politicians.
Lists both Jack and nutella as bad. I don't see it. DDL, why did you see them both as bad at this time?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:42 pm Okay so I'm 13 pages in and I'm getting sleepy. When I get sleepy I get stupid. I'll read the rest tomorrow.
I'll leave a "rainbow":
quin - civ
speed - civ
eloh - civ
bob - civ
LC - bad
nutella - bad
jack - bad
sprityo - bad
rest - neutral/idk
linki: holy shit Sloonei you ninja'd me
Further elaboration of the "politician" post from earlier. I can buy this as a genuine suspicion.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:01 amYou are interpreted it wrong.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:25 pmI have four times as many posts as you, you're annoyed at all the posts but me stopping posting for the night is bad indicative.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pmThis post gives me a very political vibe.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 pm I've said my piece on today's lynch. Plenty of other people haven't provided much content so I'll give them a chance to catch up or speak.
I'll be lurking until EOD in case anyone has questions or I need to move my vote.
I hate politicians.
K.
I couldn't care less about you stopping for the night.
I just didn't like the way you put it. Seems like you are reading yourself for a possible jump near EoD to save a teammate, while at the same time excusing yourself for not posting.
You don't need to relay that kind of information if you are a civ. I'm looking at your motivation for doing it. Feels like a politician wanting to excuse bad deeds.
He explains his Jack/Kyle dichotomy here. I guess it makes sense as an explanation, though I'm still not sure I'd agree that his proposed relationship has to be the case, but it's not an inexcusable thought to have.
Here's the actual vote. This post itself is not terribly descriptive of his reasons, but they're clear enough to find by digging through his posts. I can trace the suspicion and it is at the very least well-established before he arrives at this vote.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:35 amDidn't like her extreme fence sitting and general apathy.
Still don't. Though some more recent posts of her felt genuine. But I'm not voting for her in the foreseeable future due to the vote tie mechanic thingy. I take mechanical evidence of alignment over my personal reads anytime.
I'm voting for Jack. Been having a bad feeling about him for a while, although it's hard to describe. I pointed out some posts that pinged me more, the rest is just gut.
LC gives me a bad gut feeling too, though it's weaker.
Re: town reads. I liked the way you were analysing posts early. Felt very pro-active. I liked how Bob talked about you, and his point about changing votes. I thought Eloh's suspicion on Epi looked genuine. Speed looked very town when he came in in the middle of day 1 and started questioning things. I'm now feeling good about Daisy for her reads on Epi and Nutella too, so add her to the list.
DDL doesn't want to go into greater detail about his read. This makes it a little more difficult to read him, but I think I understand his reasons for not wanting to dive into ISO nonsense. He feels it doesn't work for him, and he's trying to find his comfort zone.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:23 pm-> lazyJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:11 pmMy greatest weakness as a townie is my difficulty distinguishing townies who are lazy/unable to put their reads into words and baddies.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:35 amI'm voting for Jack. Been having a bad feeling about him for a while, although it's hard to describe. I pointed out some posts that pinged me more, the rest is just gut.
LC gives me a bad gut feeling too, though it's weaker.
Convince me you're a townie who is wrong and unable to put his reads into words and not a scummer who is lying.
-> wrong
Sorry I'm not biting your attempt to make me feel bad.
My current stance of scumhunting is that 99% of all scumhunting methods are snake oil.
I'll not give a long and elaborated analysis on you because I don't have one. Neither I intend to do a long and complicated ISO on you that will ultimately fuel my confirmation bias and make me suspect you more. I've lynched too many civs after ISOing them and concluding they were bad. I'll go by what gave me the feeling of you being bad, which is good enough. For now. Maybe.
He includes Jack and myself in a list of names who would "produce new avenues" in the future. I dislike this philosophy, but I don't think it has to mean he's scum. I only bring it up here because it adds further justification (in DDL's mind) for lynching Jack.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:34 pm You do have one point though, that since we are in an extended Day 1 we would maybe prefer to maximise information, and leave the low posters for later. We don't have to lynch the low posting baddies first.
As such, a lynch on Jack, or LC, or Epi, or Sloonei would produce new avenues for futures lynches. Even if they flip civ (but especially if they flip bad).
I feel better about DDL after this exercise than I did coming into it. I get the sense that he may actually see something in Jack that causes suspicion and I may even be starting to see it myself.
How are you feeling about Jack now, Mr. Luffy?
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:32 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
"Why did you vote for Jack?" -- DrWilgy edition
I appreciate that Wilgy has been sharing his thoughts as he gets caught up, even if they're irrelevant to what is going on in the present because it allows losers like me to go back and figure out why he feels the way he does. That said, his vote amounts to a joke with a couple generic prods to accompany it. Wilgy was around near the end of the day as evidenced by this post and was "comfortable" with his Jack vote. I dunno. I don't see why Jack was the most compelling option in Wilgy's mind. He had about as many, if not more, questions critical of me as he did for Jack. I don't really know what to do with any of this.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:38 pmAnd now my feelings are hurt. *voting JoH*Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:35 am Of course, I do like Doc. Hes a fun fellow even if Dunsparce is lame.
Do you still think this to be true?
When you break down all conversation in mafia to it's smallest bits all that is left is the WIFOM. Do you just hate Mafia?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.
Also, people get lazy.
Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.
I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.
I appreciate that Wilgy has been sharing his thoughts as he gets caught up, even if they're irrelevant to what is going on in the present because it allows losers like me to go back and figure out why he feels the way he does. That said, his vote amounts to a joke with a couple generic prods to accompany it. Wilgy was around near the end of the day as evidenced by this post and was "comfortable" with his Jack vote. I dunno. I don't see why Jack was the most compelling option in Wilgy's mind. He had about as many, if not more, questions critical of me as he did for Jack. I don't really know what to do with any of this.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:40 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
"Why did you vote for Jack?" -- speedchuck edition
Objects to his orange placement on Jack's rainbow.
I've come out of this exercise liking the Jack wagon better than I did before. Wilgy's is the only vote I have no reason to like.
And if Jack is scum, I can easily see cbob's handling of the EoD being that of a teammate trying to protect his partner without actually appearing to support him. He's maintained that he suspected Jack but opted to let the day end in a tie between the two of us instead. Because, you know, I have to keep tunneling on cbob.
Not lynching Jack on Day 1.
Objects to his orange placement on Jack's rainbow.
speedchuck continues to voice soft skepticism of Jack's read of him. It's unclear how speedchuck is reading jack at this time.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 pm Go ahead and elaborate on your read of me, while you're at it, Jack.
Throws Jack's words back in his face. I like this post and it suggests the beginning of a case against Jack.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:40 pmI went back and looked at your posts. You were with LC practically the whole time. Lost some points with me there, mate. Twas a poor case.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:06 pmDidn't like the way you came in shooting at LC but then fell on Nutella.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 pm Go ahead and elaborate on your read of me, while you're at it, Jack.
As I recall, you ended up on Nutella too, so
Oh. So it was more about having a town read on me than having a scum read on Jack, and chuck admits to waffling on him. I still like that one post from earlier.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:37 pm So I wasn't here for dayend, and I moved from Sprityo to Jack to try and save sloonei from a BS lynch. Kinda wish I hadn't now.
And Jack wasn't an infinitely better option.
Cbob is easy for me to see as scum, and I'm glad someone brought it up. I didn't feel like posting much during the day. It all started when Cbob saw my firey post against LC and jumped on the bandwagon against him. But for those that remember, my post train wasn't condemning of LC's alignment, only his reasoning. Cbob wasn't looking for a read, he was looking for an excuse.
In general, it feels like Cbob is trying to hide his lack of scumhunting behind aggression and agreement, depending on the tide of the game. Most of the end of D2 had Cbob waving his vote in sloon's face without substantiating it or arguing it.
"But he seems so confident!"
Yeah, that's what I do as scum. I'd vote there.
Sprit is still somewhat below null for me. The freak-out/leave-thread post didn't really affect that.
Sloon is top town read (and was before the lynch, thanks). DDL is prob good. I waffle on Jack.
Regarding Sig's spec: I usually don't worry about 3rd parties until a kill shows up. Or at least some kind of marks.
I've come out of this exercise liking the Jack wagon better than I did before. Wilgy's is the only vote I have no reason to like.
And if Jack is scum, I can easily see cbob's handling of the EoD being that of a teammate trying to protect his partner without actually appearing to support him. He's maintained that he suspected Jack but opted to let the day end in a tie between the two of us instead. Because, you know, I have to keep tunneling on cbob.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:42 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]
Who do you suspect now? Why has your view of Jack changed?Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:35 pmI got bad vibes from some of your posts during my ISO, but not others. I'd suspected Jack off and on for most of the game. When I mentioned you it was because you were in the lead of votes. I was this close to doing the regular "it's end of day let's overly scrutinize everything that's ever happened really quick and get really anxious for no reason " but then I realized that that sucks. So instead of doing that, I voted for Jack who was a suspect of mine and and was falling behind in the polls. I would have dug more into the case against you but I was tired. I also didn't vote for Jack for just not sharing reads, I voted for him because I didn't think he was viewing this game through a townie mindset based on his words and actions. I've since changed my views on you both.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:43 pmKyle tosses half-hearted support for lynching me into the thread before settling on Jack because he's not fulfilled his promise to share more reads yet. Jack would show up about an hour later to see himself tied with me for the lead in the poll.
I don't hate this vote from kyle, but I don't love it either. I can buy that he had reason to be wary of Jack, but I'm not sure I agree that Jack was the best option, and the way he tacked suspicion onto me near the end also could be read as covering all his bases. I'm not sure I'd agree with that notion, but it's a possibility.
I've had kyle as a town read and this analysis does only a tiny bit to move the needle in the opposite direction on him. Still town, but with a little more caution than before.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:44 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
If there's one thing I got out of that exercise, it's that Jack is the most controversial player in this game right now. Everyone seems to be waffling all over him, myself included. Jack, please be easier to read in the future.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:58 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Top of my head rainbow:
Spacedaisy
Epignosis
Quin
Kylemii
nutella
speedchuck
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
DrWilgy
Mesk514
insertnamehere
Dom
sig
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
colonialbob
Too many neutrals because we've got too many quiet players.
Spacedaisy
Epignosis
Quin
Kylemii
nutella
speedchuck
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
DrWilgy
Mesk514
insertnamehere
Dom
sig
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
colonialbob
Too many neutrals because we've got too many quiet players.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:59 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
I've been completely ignoring the existence of an independent role in this game. Olympus Mons exists. Somebody has that role.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:01 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
I explained my thoughts on the people who voted for me here. I know where I stand on all of them and why they voted for me. I wasn't sure why Jack was the other popular candidate and no one was talking about it. It's like you all had things to do yesterday and today.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:05 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
I don't have a strategy for indie hunting, but if I was going to pick a player who seems like they could be playing an independent game, I'd choose nutella.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:28 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Your "I don't give a hoot" attitude, and the whole lynch survival on Day 1 thing. We don't know what Olympus Mons can do, but maybe they have something that would protect them in a situation like that.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:34 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
But there still has to have been a mechanism which forced the tie.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:32 pmI had the "I don't give a hoot" attitude on day 1 mostly because I was lazy and felt like playing a low-effort fast-and-loose game, but by night 1 I started to play a lot more seriously and have been since then. I feel like I put in a normal amount of effort on day 2.
My survival was already explained, assuming you believe that it was a tie, which it was.
There are more readily available explanations than you being Olympus Mons, though.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:35 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
So you feel like Jack's meta read of you on Day 1 came from an honest place, but his overall body of work does not?nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:15 pm You're right Sloonei, my thoughts didn't really change much on Jack in that time. Jay pointed out one small thing that made Jack look good in his eyes, and I liked his reasoning, but it was just based on one little thing and it was not nearly a strong enough "only town would do this" in my mind to outweigh the bad vibes I've gotten from the rest of Jack's posts throughout the game. So yeah, I said I'd have an open mind, but on day 2 he continued to look bad to me, and when the lynch ended up between you and him it was no question that my vote was going to stay on him. Especially after his little back-and-forth with Kyle; I think he came out of that looking worse than before.
As a side note, I feel like both you and Jack are misinterpreting/misrepresenting the balance of my reasons for suspecting him -- the thing about his misguided meta-read of me was really not a significant reason at all. I understand that he has an unusual sample to draw from and I was just pointing out that he doesn't have an entirely representative view of my usual meta (although since it is a recent sample perhaps his perspective reflects a trend in my evolving style, which is interesting to note and may mean his perspective on me is actually quite valuable going forward). Anyway, I suppose I mentioned his inaccurate read of me in my D1 post about him, but I believe it was coming from an honest place given his experience playing with me, and in general as with most of my reasons for suspecting him, it was not so much what he said but how he said it in the context of the rest of his posts.
My suspicion of him on day 1 was largely instinct-based; I decided that I was getting a disingenuous vibe from nearly all of his content and got the sense that he was trying his best to look helpful while not actually putting a lot of effort or motivation behind his responses to thread discussion (mainly the Epi stuff). On day 2 this continued; while I briefly hoped to give him a chance to improve my read of him, he mostly just made it worse. Now with the lynch shenanigans, I have reason to believe my/daisy's theory about Sutter Buttes is one of the most likely explanations and that he is bad; however, I recognize that there are also some distinct possibilities involving him being town, and determining that is just a bit too messy right now so I'm waffling on whether I want to try to lynch him again tomorrow or not in case I am wrong. I would also be 100% in favor of lynching sprityo, and that may be a safer option given the confusion surrounding the no-lynch.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:41 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Understood. I'd be open to lynching Jack again tomorrow, and I've seen nothing that changes my mind on sprityo. colonialbob is still my top suspect, though. And everyone else is still on the table as well, of course.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:39 pmYes. In that I believe he genuinely believed what he said about my meta, although obviously if he is bad he was making a false accusation since he would know I wasn't bad, but it was based on premises that were sound/convincing from his perspective.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:35 pmSo you feel like Jack's meta read of you on Day 1 came from an honest place, but his overall body of work does not?nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:15 pm You're right Sloonei, my thoughts didn't really change much on Jack in that time. Jay pointed out one small thing that made Jack look good in his eyes, and I liked his reasoning, but it was just based on one little thing and it was not nearly a strong enough "only town would do this" in my mind to outweigh the bad vibes I've gotten from the rest of Jack's posts throughout the game. So yeah, I said I'd have an open mind, but on day 2 he continued to look bad to me, and when the lynch ended up between you and him it was no question that my vote was going to stay on him. Especially after his little back-and-forth with Kyle; I think he came out of that looking worse than before.
As a side note, I feel like both you and Jack are misinterpreting/misrepresenting the balance of my reasons for suspecting him -- the thing about his misguided meta-read of me was really not a significant reason at all. I understand that he has an unusual sample to draw from and I was just pointing out that he doesn't have an entirely representative view of my usual meta (although since it is a recent sample perhaps his perspective reflects a trend in my evolving style, which is interesting to note and may mean his perspective on me is actually quite valuable going forward). Anyway, I suppose I mentioned his inaccurate read of me in my D1 post about him, but I believe it was coming from an honest place given his experience playing with me, and in general as with most of my reasons for suspecting him, it was not so much what he said but how he said it in the context of the rest of his posts.
My suspicion of him on day 1 was largely instinct-based; I decided that I was getting a disingenuous vibe from nearly all of his content and got the sense that he was trying his best to look helpful while not actually putting a lot of effort or motivation behind his responses to thread discussion (mainly the Epi stuff). On day 2 this continued; while I briefly hoped to give him a chance to improve my read of him, he mostly just made it worse. Now with the lynch shenanigans, I have reason to believe my/daisy's theory about Sutter Buttes is one of the most likely explanations and that he is bad; however, I recognize that there are also some distinct possibilities involving him being town, and determining that is just a bit too messy right now so I'm waffling on whether I want to try to lynch him again tomorrow or not in case I am wrong. I would also be 100% in favor of lynching sprityo, and that may be a safer option given the confusion surrounding the no-lynch.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:57 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
I agree with speedchuck that it would be nice to see some pushback against my colonialbob case. Even if it's just bob himself sharing some updated reads. I believe in my case and he hasn't swayed me from it yet, but I don't want to fall into the confirmation bias that he warned against. It's possible he's town.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:59 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:39 amWhyyyyyyyyyyyyJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 am Switching to Sprityo. At time of posting, I've read like none of his content (cause he had none when I left) so that sounds better than lynching Sloonei.
I'd want these two posts scrutinized in the event that one of Jack/bob flipped bad. The second one particularly rubbed me the wrong way. I still want to know why everyone who was present for the end of day was comfortable with the tie.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:15 pm
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- Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:22 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:24 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
He wasn't. I responded to nutella that he "might have been" a top town read, but that wasn't based on anything concrete. I just have a general feeling that his ideas and mine have not been aligning for most of this game. Then when I actually investigated the votes on him this afternoon, I found that I liked all of his voters better than I liked him.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:28 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
What's colonialbob's read on me at the present moment?
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:48 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
ISO the person you think most deserves to be ISO'd.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:13 pm @Spacedaisy
Hi. Who should I ISO? Tired of playing defense.
- Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:25 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
We've reached page 40 without losing a single player.
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:38 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:36 amWe don't, I already asked.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:34 amThat's assuming we get to know the role of the nightkilled partycolonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:32 amAs far as other reads I'd really prefer to wait for flips tonight, you know, in case somebody dies...
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:19 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Who brought this forever night?
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:20 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
We've been a little all over the place. I'm not sure how to summarize the night. Lots of crap being thrown at lots of walls. My main point is that I think colonialbob is bad.
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:05 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Is the confusion about speedchuck's comparison between CC123 Quin and Mountain Quin causing people to suspect speedchuck? If so, why?
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:34 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
@mafia, just tell us who you killed so we can proceed.
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:52 pm
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- Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:59 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:03 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
why did daisy drop to orange?Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:01 pm @JaggedJimmyJay
On Sloonei - It was negative. His first response would be the most genuine and I didn't (still not sure, still want opinions) think that my initial question to him was that cryptic that he'd misunderstand it. The second answer was met with a heavy dose of skepticism. I've had further thought on it since but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.
On speedchuck - His entrance came across as a "I'm here, now get out of my way" kind of thing. I don't think he was holding anything back in his posts. It made me feel good.
I don't have anything specific to say for bob. It was a tonal read.
On updated reads - Sloonei's shot up to light green for posts I've posted. Epi is orange because he's no longer on my immediate hit list. GTH bob stays, GTH Daisy drops to orange. They're priority one for ISO's. Doesn't mean I will, but I want to
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:12 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
Quin, this is was your original prod of me. You are questioning why I appear to not be subscribing to my own philosophy with regards to Epi. I can take that as a deeper probe into my Day 1 vote strategy, or a probe about my treatment of Epi specifically. I took it as the former. You meant it as the latter. This is where the confusion exists. When you gave your bulleted thought process, I understood what you were getting at and answered accordingly. I don't think this episode should have such a lingering influence on your read of me. I simply did not understand the question.
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:15 pm
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A quick glance at her ISO and it seems she's been pushing sig as a suspect/topic of conversation for a while. I don't think it's unnatural for her to direct a specific prod at Jack about sig.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:09 pmI found something unnatural about how she brought up sig when asking Jack for reads. Neither Jack nor the thread was talking about sig. She was talking about sig, but if she were looking for opinions on him, why ask Jack specifically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:03 pmwhy did daisy drop to orange?Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:01 pm JaggedJimmyJay
On Sloonei - It was negative. His first response would be the most genuine and I didn't (still not sure, still want opinions) think that my initial question to him was that cryptic that he'd misunderstand it. The second answer was met with a heavy dose of skepticism. I've had further thought on it since but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.
On speedchuck - His entrance came across as a "I'm here, now get out of my way" kind of thing. I don't think he was holding anything back in his posts. It made me feel good.
I don't have anything specific to say for bob. It was a tonal read.
On updated reads - Sloonei's shot up to light green for posts I've posted. Epi is orange because he's no longer on my immediate hit list. GTH bob stays, GTH Daisy drops to orange. They're priority one for ISO's. Doesn't mean I will, but I want to
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:18 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
she was talking to jack. daisy should probably answer these questions herself.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:17 pmBut why Jack as opposed to just asking the thread?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:15 pmA quick glance at her ISO and it seems she's been pushing sig as a suspect/topic of conversation for a while. I don't think it's unnatural for her to direct a specific prod at Jack about sig.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:09 pmI found something unnatural about how she brought up sig when asking Jack for reads. Neither Jack nor the thread was talking about sig. She was talking about sig, but if she were looking for opinions on him, why ask Jack specifically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:03 pmwhy did daisy drop to orange?Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:01 pm JaggedJimmyJay
On Sloonei - It was negative. His first response would be the most genuine and I didn't (still not sure, still want opinions) think that my initial question to him was that cryptic that he'd misunderstand it. The second answer was met with a heavy dose of skepticism. I've had further thought on it since but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.
On speedchuck - His entrance came across as a "I'm here, now get out of my way" kind of thing. I don't think he was holding anything back in his posts. It made me feel good.
I don't have anything specific to say for bob. It was a tonal read.
On updated reads - Sloonei's shot up to light green for posts I've posted. Epi is orange because he's no longer on my immediate hit list. GTH bob stays, GTH Daisy drops to orange. They're priority one for ISO's. Doesn't mean I will, but I want to
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:25 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
It's reaching because I'm not indie hunting.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:23 pmIt's not reaching.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:59 pmthat we don't need olympus mons to be dead to win.
2 of my 200+ posts were an acknowledgment that the indie role exists with a single proposed suspect who i have no intentions of lynching right now. this feels like a reach for you.
It's reading.
--- The Big Mountains must eliminate the Small Mountains to win. ---
Is Olympus Mon a Small Mountain?
No.
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:38 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
Quin, why do you have a town read on cbob?
- Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:42 pm
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- Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:55 am
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
I don't think the progression of that conversation was unusual for Quin.
- Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:18 pm
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 2]
How do we all read DDL?
linki: well there's sort of an answer. Care to go more in depth on mr dragon?
linki: well there's sort of an answer. Care to go more in depth on mr dragon?