The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:36 pm Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.
Do not let me finally catch you over a lost cause.
I do not even know what you're talking about.
I’m saying I’ve never caught you and TH is dead in the water. So if you’re a wolf, don’t let this be the reason I catch you. Bus the shit out of him.

I’ll let you know how I feel when I’ve had a look for myself.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:46 pm Jack is literally just harping nonsense at this point not surprising.

Sloonie yea you have a case and I'll cop to nutella using that. However, you can't ignore that most ppl are voting based off dizzy and in doing so ignoring meta.

Why not? I’m saying all the stuff about your “meta” or “slipping” and all the stuff other people are using is irrelevant to my suspicion. If anything I’m agreeing with your point here: you’re a suspect, just not for the reasons everyone else is citing.

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:25 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:28 pm The absolute scenes when Mac/Sig join forces against the real enemy.
Fun!

@all

Let's have a trustfall exclusively for Jack. Do more people if you want, but I'm asking about Jack. What's the best argument that he is a civilian?
That emotional outburst of his at the beginning of the game.

I have wavered on it some as evidence has linked him to radishes/sabie. The emotion could have been a result of having a genuine suspicion as scum in a multiball game, but being suspected for it anyway.
I am almost positive Jack had a similar emotional outburst (against Glorfindel?) in a game where he turned out to be scum. Almost positive, maybe somebody else remembers? So I don’t think it points to him as town at all.
Yeah, that was a thing. Glor grinds my gears. He does not play the game in my personal concept of the spirit of the game and in particular, his play lead to him imo unfairly escaping lynch and my teammate LC unfairly being lynched in his place.

So you can pull that into two bits. I am capable of exhibiting emotional outbursts as scum. I had an emotional outburst when something bad happened to my wolf team.

Inform year read with that.

The result you showed on Day 1 was a result of people not believing your case. It’s the kind of subtle thing that can give me a comfortable town read on any player. That said, I’m not giving it as much weight as I did earlier. I think it’s still possible for mafia jack to hVd had that reaction in this game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?
What about the droid attack on the Wookie(e)s?

Are you bad again?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?
my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.

I was talking about people talking about sig’s slip.

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:21 pm Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?
G-Man does worse

Hard no. And anyway, there are two members of this team remaining.

we're back

why was sprityo lynched?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:26 pm we're back

why was sprityo lynched?
He got the most votes

Also we considered him a candidate for the anti-monitor and at that point he kind of gave up

why was he considered an anti-monitor suspect?

Michelle got the most votes in our thread, but apparently only the player with the most votes across the threads got lynched.

I had a tinfoil theory about her being the anti-monitor based on events in our lower-level thread, but our votes didn't end up meaning anything.

My theory was that the Inception mechanic was triggered by sig. He's a role from Inception/Inception mafia with *secrets* and he was going to get lynched today, so he had nothing to lose.

My tinfoil about michelle was that she came into our small thread having already collected a bunch of posts from speedchuck to cast suspicion against. If sig triggered the thread-split, his teammate would have been aware it was going to happen and could have taken time to prepare a case against a vulnerable player who they knew would be in their reduced pool of players.

There's a lot of Ifs in there, so it's not something that would determine my vote under ordinary circumstances, but this phase was not ordinary circumstances.

I started to ISO Mac during the night before I lost access to this thread. I already posted this in the other thread, but I'll share it here as well. I get around to finishing it at some point:

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I guess I'll start looking at Mac now. This will probably get split up into multiple posts because Mac's ISO is long and I don't want this to take my entire evening. Ghost protocol relieves the pressure of nighttime hunting.

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First post of note has him endorsing Radish's early SVS ping. How cute. SVS is the noteworthy name here, of course. This post alone tells me nothing, but the development of this read may.

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Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own.

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Posts like this are a big part of the reason why I struggle to read Mac historically. So much of his content is indiscriminate jabs like this one, directed at Epi/Radishes. It is difficult to judge the sincerity or the direction of posts like this, especially when they come in high volume. We know that Radishes was bad, but not with Mac. He seems to be accusing Epi of bussing his partner on Day 1.

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A fairly subdued response to a generic Day 1 Jay prod. I really don't know how to read Mac. Is this him trying to appease a Big Scary Civilian, or is this a subtle distancing act between two seasoned partners? I'll lean toward the former simply because I'm inclined to read Jay favorable outside of this.

Pointless banter in response to Epi. Okay

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Mac appears to begin the Jack/nutella hoopla with an unfavorable view of Mr. Ofhearts2005 (I think? He's comparing him to hitler and that's usually bad, right?). That would eventually change. At the outset I'll say that my recollection of this episode suggests that these two are not teammates. I'll see if I still feel that way at the end.

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A less ambiguous anti-Jack stance. He then makes a couple pro-nutella1.0 posts and a few more anti-Jack posts. Skipping those. This whole thing again demonstrates mac's propensity for indiscriminate jabs. Here's another one directed at Dom.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

Mac "Do a 180" Dougall is now anti-nutella and tentatively pro-jack. This post establishes a sharp dichotomy between the two which seems unnecessary if Jack is Mac's partner and they're unsure of nutella's alignment. This is compounded by Mac's earlier treatment of Jack, which looked like an earnest attempt to shade/suspect him. Good look for Jack.

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Hurls out the suggestion that nutella1.0, Jay, and Radishes constitute 3/4 of a team. This may have been an earnest read. Jay is the only member of this list still occupying the same living body and this doesn't tell me enough about him/Mac to make a judgment call.

However, the above post does call to mind a big point that I had initially dismissed as not serious enough to merit attention: the direct copy&pasting of Jay's Day 1 reads list has been a running joke in this game. This began with Mac doing it shortly after Jay posted the initial, authentic list. It looked like a playfully antagonistic move on Mac's part (the epitome of the

emoji) and Jay's response was appreciative of the humor. It looks like a casual and spontaneous interaction between two players with a long history together, but I don't get the sense that any part of it was staged or stiff in the way that two teammates might be at this stage in a game. Good look for Jay.

Sign up for my joke analysis workshop if you found the above paragraph as riveting as I did.

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Throws some... juice-fire? on Epi's prod of nutella1.0. Okay. This is twice that Epi has been incidentally present in Mac's posts. The first time Mac was linking Epi to Radishes. This time he's supporting a prod. I get nothing out of either instance.

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Jack is largely responsible for Mac's vote on nutella1.0. This suggests to me that Mac bought Jack's case at the time. It's possible that they're teammates. It's possible they're not. I still lean in jack's favor based on the genesis of this read.

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Mac assumes some responsibility for this nutella vote. Okay.

juliets and jack are not teammates per Mac. Okay. This does not constitute a read of either of them in terms of alignment, but it exists.

Another Dom jab. Okay.

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Calls on Turnip Head to instruct the thread on a "Dom/Nutella worldview." Context would indicate that TH was jointly suspicious of those two at the time and Mac wanted to lend support to that. Confirmed. Good look for Dom, in that I don't think Macdougall would go to this length to call on another player to shade his own partner. Null look for TH. I could say that this prod might be unnecessary if they share BTSC but I'm not really inspired by that.

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Almost elucidates on the Dom suspicion, but this is so weak that I struggle to believe it. In struggling to believe it, I have to question whether that is because Mac and Dom are partners and this case is bullshit distancing. I recall an emotional slant to Mac and Dom's exchanges which would suggest otherwise, but I won't rule it out just yet. -1 point for Dom after having received a +1 before.
Dom exchange continues and I still feel the same way: there's nothing in here so far that can't be done by teammates distancing from one another, but I don't have to read it that way.

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Mac calls on Michelle (along with Dom) to support his read on nutella. Michelle ain't got no clue what he's talking about and Mac spells it out for her. This feels like a genuine miscommunication that might not exist if they're teammates who can coordinate a move like this, but I may be overestimating the coordination between this hypothetical pairing. My inclination is to lean in favor of Michelle here.

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A generic prod for juliets. Okay.

More empty Dom stuff

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A wild and baseless accusation hurled at Tony. Okay.

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If Dom and Mac partners they really leaned into the distancing dance. Not impossible, but not a convincing argument on its own either.

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I can't tell if this post is directed more at Dizzy or Ted. Both, I guess. Mac denounces the read on SVS while at the same time expressing confusion about it. This feels like shade if we assume Dizzy was town. I'd be hesitant to lump ted into that shade as well, but mac may have been going for a "two birds with one stone" accusation here, which might be a good look for Ted. SVS is the third name that's present in all of this. It could be read as an indirect defense of her. Idk. I'm reminded again how terrible I am at reading Mac and I'm kinda clutching to Dizzy's alignment for direction here. Slightly pro Ted, slighty anti SVS for the sake of giving a read.

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Mac responds to a question from juliets. Idk what that question was. I recall Jay's point about juliets, which I am inclined to agree with (the sheer volume of content she devoted to Mac is unnecessary if they're partners). I probably shouldn't let his results influence mine, but that's the first thing on my mind when I look at this post. And anyway, the way Mac is responding to the unspecified question here looks like he's genuinely trying to articulate his thoughts in a way that matters to him, as though he doesn't want to say the wrong thing in response to juliets. So I'll call that a good look for her all on my own. Yeah, independent research.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:43 pmI'm not mafia

Idk guys I think he might be telling the truth.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm And the whole slip thing was dumb and totally is something town sig would do. Just wanna go on record with that.

Exactly. Sloonei’s interactive analysis was the real linchpin.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:31 pm I'll be with you clowns later (hopefully). I'm in the middle of Sloonei's latest novel.

I tried to really work on my character development in this one

Look for MacDougall’s ISO 2: Unveiling the Big D to hit the bookshelves at some point in the near future, unless the hosts take the thread away from me again.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:50 pm "Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own."

Why is this worth saying now?

I compiled that post during the night, before the threads were split up and we knew sig’s role.

i voted for sig

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:30 am @Sloonei what is your read on me?

town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:30 am @Sloonei what is your read on me?
town
I feel like we've been less connected in this game than in games past. I grant that we've both had less time to be here for whatever reasons.

What do you think of Epignosis?

I do not have a firm read on him. I haven't given him much attention.

I plan on doing things tomorrow. I should have clearer reads then.

I have noticed a specific trend in past games in which I've caught mafia epi. I have not observed that trend in this game, but I haven't looked very closely at him either.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:27 am Jack tell me why Epignosis is not Mac's teammate.
Thought you suspected speedchuck?

Bad Take

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:48 am Sloonei, thoughts please

I am acknowledging this for later.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:58 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:27 am Jack tell me why Epignosis is not Mac's teammate.
Thought you suspected speedchuck?
Bad Take
Oh is it?

Tell me, Sloonei, since when does Jay not have extremely detailed reasoning for his suspicions, eagerly share them, and want to solve games?

None of that is happening here?

I do not see how this is related to your initial post. And I disagree with it anyway.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:00 am So Sloonei-- I ask you--

sig is off the table.

Who is bad? Why?

Well I voted for Michelle in our pointless thread yesterday. It was a tinfoil that would not be worth a vote under normal circumstances, but which still merits suspicious. The theory had her as the anti-monitor.

After that I intend to finish looking at Mac's interactions with folks later in the phase. I should have definitive reads then. The previous phase was a big disruption in my flow. Before that happened, Colin and Tony were names that I wanted to explore in relation to Mac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:04 am General question for everyone in this game:

If you find juliets suspicious, why do you find juliets suspicious?
Why do you give a shit about this?

I can answer this for Jay. I won't. But I can.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:07 am Okay. We've once again reached the point in the game where Jay gets hounded with every damned thing -- cool. Y'all do you. But you'd better not ignore my reads. Whenever I'm dead, do me the dignity of referring back to them.

dead jay can still say things this time.

I disapprove of most of the content on this page.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:04 am General question for everyone in this game:

If you find juliets suspicious, why do you find juliets suspicious?
Why do you give a shit about this?
I can answer this for Jay. I won't. But I can.

You object to Sloonei expressing the opinion that there is value in asking people questions?

Y'all can suspect Luxury Sloon. I don't object to that, though I'm not currently inclined to agree with it. I am not 100% certain of his alignment, and admittedly my usual method of "wait to see how his reads play out" holds less weight in this game. But I've seen nothing alarming to this point that would make me feel like Jay's an urgent lynch. If you have a case, state it clearly with substantial points and whatnot. Pointing and saying "bad" isn't going to do anything.

As for my reads on things, I feel like I have only dug into about 30% of the information I normally would in this game. I had planned to do a lot of interactive analysis on Day 4, but that was not an option. I'll tell you all who to lynch after I've done that. It won't be tonight though.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:11 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:04 am General question for everyone in this game:

If you find juliets suspicious, why do you find juliets suspicious?
Why do you give a shit about this?
I can answer this for Jay. I won't. But I can.

You object to Sloonei expressing the opinion that there is value in asking people questions?
You're hinting at something hear that I do not buy.

I genuinely do not know what you're talking about. I am just talking about the foundation of my approach to a mafia game. Ask people questions and make them explain things.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:21 am Sloonei are you reading the same page as the rest of us? Or are you in a sloon dream

Page 110 of the 2019 Game of Champions on mafiathesyndicate.com?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:25 am Sloonei, gimmie so hot reads.

Who are them baddies?

Scroll up

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:35 am Who is on Mac’s team?
Everybody. One or two names only. No reasoning allowed. We all have generally good instincts here, who’s given you bad vibes?

Colin and you.

caveat that i haven't been in this thread for 48 hours and plan to do interactive shit later.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:47 am how do you know it was the player with the top number of votes among all three levels?
Was that how it worked in the original?

LC said so.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.
this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

It was a slow day.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:50 am so the idea was put Speed and Michelle in Div 2 when Speed is already a popular lynch option and then hope that no one emerges from Div 1?

At the time I didn't know what the lynch mechanics looked like. Maybe she would have wanted a player to scapegoat down there just to be on the safe side. Then again, if Michelle is the anti-monitor and has a -2 vote on her, then the chances of her getting lynched in a 6 person thread are pretty slim to begin with.

We even got the votes to work out perfectly to test out the theory if the mechanics had been the same as Original Inception: 3 votes on Michelle and 2 on speedchuck. If Michelle was in fact the anti-monitor, speedchuck would have been our level's non-fatal lynch victim, and we would have been able to surmise that Michelle was the anti-monitor. But alas...

I would also like to add, though, that sig being in a 3-person thread with you (tony) and Tranq strengthens my belief that he triggered the thread split. If I was sig and I wanted a chance to survive a 3-person lylo/limbo phase (which was the mission in the original game) and I had control over one of the players that I brought with me, I'd choose Tranq 10 times out of 10 (meaning no offense. He's just been the lightest contributor and would be the most likely to simply no-show).

i wasn't planning on doing any mafia things at all tonight and now it's 2 AM.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:02 am Time moves slower in slooneiville

I was in a dream. Have you even seen Inception?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:07 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:02 am Time moves slower in slooneiville
I was in a dream. Have you even seen Inception?
Yeah and no one flies or does anything remotely weird or dreamlike. That movie is bullshit.

The actual inception takes place on airplane in-flight. Vote turnip head.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:15 am I thought it was a train

the first extraction scene at the beginning of the movie takes place on a train, if i remember correctly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:35 am Who is on Mac’s team?
Everybody. One or two names only. No reasoning allowed. We all have generally good instincts here, who’s given you bad vibes?
Colin and you.

caveat that i haven't been in this thread for 48 hours and plan to do interactive shit later.
I’m struggling to see reads like this as honest.

Keep in mind this comes from the guy who crucified Mac while you were like “Eh. I don’t see it.”

If you think my opinion on Mac was “Eh. I don’t see it” then you’re not paying attention or you’re lying.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:13 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.
Also, the Inception mafia couldn’t choose to bring a particular scapegoat townie with them or bring all of their team down a level.

We allowed them to choose one civilian to submerge to each level (if I recall correctly) and which of their own members to submerge. True that in Inception we required them to leave at least one member behind at each level, but with only two players left and three dream levels, this team would have needed to vacate a level.

Either way, the mechanics in this inception phase were not the same as in Inception Mafia, so this theory is less compelling than it was yesterday.

Y’all who stayed up here should probably keep in mind that the rest of were unable to even view this thread for 48+ hours. We’re gonna lose some of our grip on things happening at the top in that interval.

^that is more in response to speed’s reception of Jay just now than my own stuff, but all of it is applicable.

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